Diablo 4 Pals

[Goobles]

I'm excited. I didn't like D3 but I was freshly removed from D2 and somewhat of a purist, but I'm so far removed from both games that I actually enjoyed the Beta. Anyone else feel this way?

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[Botten]

Played both Betas

I will probably pick it up.

Necromancer is really strong.

Liked the Sorcerer but fire was nerfed and they run out of mana too easily.

Druid is so horrible. Got this to 20th level last beta. Just terrible even after the buffs.

Rogue is good but lots of movement.

Barbarian was a disappointment. They also nerfed the only good build on them due to pvp concerns.

[Stape]

Didn't get to play either the beta/server slam, but checked out some videos and talked to a buddy who seemed to enjoy it. He told me it kinda feels like a mix of d2/d3 without so much of the cartoon feeling of d3. He also said he liked the feeling of getting kind of lost in the maps like he did when playing d2 since the world seems pretty big.

Works for me, I enjoyed d3 minus the release, so look forward to giving this one a go. I just hope they don't turn it into a Blizzard type Lost Ark.

Thanks for the info Botten. Hopefully they buff the Druid still before release then. Would be a shame not to have them all near par.

[Patrece]

lol current Blizzard.... after D3? HEH

[OldDj]

I was on the og dev team for Diablo 1. Ill never not play any version of Diablo. Im just that kinda nerd

[Tethler]

I only played the server slam beta for a day to hit 20 and kill Ashava, so not too much play time under my belt, but I really liked the feel of the world compared to D3.

I'll be playing on release. Will eventually try all classes, but going with necro first, prob a no-pet bone build.

[Goobles]

Played both Betas

I will probably pick it up.

Necromancer is really strong.

Liked the Sorcerer but fire was nerfed and they run out of mana too easily.

Druid is so horrible. Got this to 20th level last beta. Just terrible even after the buffs.

Rogue is good but lots of movement.

Barbarian was a disappointment. They also nerfed the only good build on them due to pvp concerns.

Chain lightning was pretty op. You can cross train and build up warmth too I guess. I like that you can re spec too

[Toxigen]

I'll probably play it. I haven't played any Diablo since about 2001/2002.

However, it'll be from the comforts of my couch on a 85" samsung on PS5. Shitter casual lyfe.

[PRogers]

d4 is sick im going to be playing it.

[misterbonkers]

diablo 3 got good with reaper of souls, even if it never reclaimed the the glory days of d2, it ended up in a decent spot, but it's stale now. d4 is just a graphical update to d3, go play path of exile instead imo

[Enderenter]

diablo 3 got good with reaper of souls, even if it never reclaimed the the glory days of d2, it ended up in a decent spot, but it's stale now. d4 is just a graphical update to d3, go play path of exile instead imo

That's what I keep hearing about d3. It was finally worth playing after about 2 years. Too bad I was out after about 2 days.

Diablo 4 seems fun, I did the first open beta. Not sure I have the time for it, especially if Green 2.0 is on the horizon in the next 6-12 months or so.

[Knuckle]

I'm not sure if I am going to like this game, D2R had everything I'd want in Diablo and I quit it after like 3 months.

[Goobles]

especially if Green 2.0 is on the horizon in the next 6-12 months or so.

That's been the prophecy for the past 16 months

[unsunghero]

Don’t think it will run on my 10+ yr old shitbox or else I would. I played the shit out of D1, D2, D3 and Diablo Immortal :(

[MrSparkle001]

Path of Exile still gives me that Diablo 2 high when I feel I need it. Not sure how Diablo 4 compares.

And won't be able to run it anyway until I get a new PC. My ancient 11 year old PC is not up to par anymore to say the least lol.

[Swish]

I remember the live Twitch feed when Diablo Immortal was announced and it was only going to be for phones etc.

There was a string of "Path of Exile wins again" comments down the right hand side :D It's endured so well and will keep on doing so.

[unsunghero]

I remember the live Twitch feed when Diablo Immortal was announced and it was only going to be for phones etc.

There was a string of "Path of Exile wins again" comments down the right hand side :D It's endured so well and will keep on doing so.

D:I gameplay for a phone game was really really good, albeit eventually repetitive at end game (I got to I think Hell3)

And the P2W was off the charts, obv, that’s what truly killed it

[magnetaress]

I hope it's gud. Cuz ppl deserve to have fun and enjoy their pixels.

[Tethler]

I hope it's gud. Cuz ppl deserve to have fun and enjoy their pixels.

So far, so good. Currently level 45 (out of 100 cap) after almost 4 days. Just finished act 3 (out of 5, I think). There is so much side stuff to do, I didn't even finish act 1 until I was level 35. I heard open world mobs cap at level 50 until you complete the main story and rank up to nightmare difficulty though, so I decided to hold off on other side stuff and focus on main story for now so I don't hit mob cap too early.

Some people that powered through and are in the 70-80s already complaining that end game loop is repetitive (lol no shit, its an ARPG).

As far as my world map progress, I've done about 80% of the first region and 30% of the 2nd and 3rd regions. 4th and 5th region haven't touched yet. Still soo much more content to do! Looking forward to trying other classes too.

Just a few hours now until early access is done and the unwashed masses that didn't get deluxe edition will be able to play.

[Lune]

Will try ofc when I can work up the dopamine between massaging geriatric feet

[magnetaress]

Don’t think it will run on my 10+ yr old shitbox or else I would. I played the shit out of D1, D2, D3 and Diablo Immortal :(

how is it diablo if it cant do this???

like that was the cool thing about d1/and d2 they ran on everything at the time except something with like 8mg of memory and floppies.

i refuse to buy modern games with modern hardware reqs anymore--- NMS was an exception to this.

[Bardp1999]

D4 100% needs a modern CPU to run. My rig is on the struggle bus trying to play

[magnetaress]

what does all the new cpu do for the game play? are there like real collision particles between your actual bone graphics and diablo himself?

[Toxigen]

rockin a chain lightning sorc...pretty fun so far...only level 10

[MrSparkle001]

I think I can get this game for free with the new PC I'm about to build. Doesn't mean I'll play it a lot though. D2 had something really special, partly due to the time it was released and partly because of the atmosphere and aesthetic the devs created. Plus an amazing soundtrack.

Does D4 continue that? D3 didn't at all. POE was D2's successor if only in spirit.

[nilbog]

I have an FX-8350 here that plays it without any problems. That's from 2012.

Game is okay so far. lvl 49 necromancer

[Toxigen]

How are you guys progressing?

I read its optimal on your first play through to just do campaign only and save the side quests for World Tier 3.

I haven't researched a whole lot, but it sounds like it makes sense. Since at WT3 the loot / xp significantly improves.

Anything else you guys have found thats super important?

[Swish]

What kind of cash shop options is it rocking?

[unsunghero]

What kind of cash shop options is it rocking?

From what I heard just cosmetics, but some skins can be pretty expensive like $20+ per

[Lune]

From what I heard just cosmetics, but some skins can be pretty expensive like $20+ per

Gotta harpoon those whales

[Bardp1999]

Level 60 WW barb - Had to upgrade my rig though, but it was well past time for that. The "end game" seems a bit lacking so far but there is plenty to do, I guess I just really liked D3 rift system

[Knuckle]

I think I can get this game for free with the new PC I'm about to build. Doesn't mean I'll play it a lot though. D2 had something really special, partly due to the time it was released and partly because of the atmosphere and aesthetic the devs created. Plus an amazing soundtrack.

Does D4 continue that? D3 didn't at all. POE was D2's successor if only in spirit.

I just finished the main campaign and level 48. My personal thoughts are there are good and bad but it "feels" far removed from D3 to me. The story and cutscenes are really top notch. The environment and most creatures have a nice visceral feel. Violent, Gothic, and more immersive than D3 for me. I might even end up liking this more than D2/D1. I think this aesthetic is an evolution from Diablo 1 while paying homage to D2/D3 where it made sense.

[MrSparkle001]

I just finished the main campaign and level 48. My personal thoughts are there are good and bad but it "feels" far removed from D3 to me. The story and cutscenes are really top notch. The environment and most creatures have a nice visceral feel. Violent, Gothic, and more immersive than D3 for me. I might even end up liking this more than D2/D1. I think this aesthetic is an evolution from Diablo 1 while paying homage to D2/D3 where it made sense.

Big question though since I haven't been following this game at all:

Does it have potions like D2 or stupid orbs like D3?

[Knuckle]

Big question though since I haven't been following this game at all:

Does it have potions like D2 or stupid orbs like D3?

You have a potion slot and it’s an occasional auto pick up. Your capped at 10 refills when you cap the max slots. Not sure if that’s how d3 was its been awhile.

[magnetaress]

This all sounds great. I'm glad you're all enjoying yourselves.

[Swish]

Are they nerfing the druid yet?

[Botten]

Are they nerfing the druid yet?

Barbarian spin to win was too powerful before.

Now it is ice sorcerer with infinite mana.

[Raj]

This all sounds great. I'm glad you're all enjoying yourselves.

Looking very forward to playing Diablo4 within a year or 2 after I re-build my PC a little with a new video card!

Thanks for the 1st impressions and reviews my friends. :cool:

[Lune]

1050TI still going strong lol

Best purchase of my neet days

[Evia]

Was gifted this on ps5 for fathers day. It's been more enjoyable than I thought. Working on a flurry rogue.

[Toxigen]

Working my way through Tier 3...do you guys prioritize your "to dos" like this?

- World Bosses
- Helltide
- Tree of Whispers
- Nightmare Dungeons
- Renown area stuff

I'm on my first paragon board. Trying to decide if I want to stick with Frozen Orb / Blizzard / Barrier control mage or swap to a more "meta" pyromancer fire build as I progress into end game.

[Dentalplan]

Tree of whispers a waste of time. You need to run a few to get sigils to start doing nightmare dungeons but the loot is bad for the time investment. Just turn the stuff in when you happen to fill the bar incidentally, imho, but never actively chase it down.

Helltides and Nightmare Dungeons are the best sources of gear and exp from my experience so those are the most important things. You can open upto 4 of the mystery chests during a helltide and they have lots of high quality drops usually.

World bosses aren't really good sources of loot but you need to do them for the upgrade materials to put sockets in things, and they don't take long.

For renown just make sure you get all of your potion charges and skill points asap and save the rest for when you're in WT4 since you'll get better drops and exp grinding out the last tiers then.

[Toxigen]

Tree of whispers a waste of time. You need to run a few to get sigils to start doing nightmare dungeons but the loot is bad for the time investment. Just turn the stuff in when you happen to fill the bar incidentally, imho, but never actively chase it down.


Good to know! I solo'd a rank 7 or 8 nightmare last night and it was pretty tough. I'm not using a meta build though.

I really need to go around and get all the statues done. I haven't had the desire to pull up a map and go around specifically to pick those up yet.

[Bardp1999]

Level 86 Barbarian now, the game is fun but I have an inkling that Seasonal play will become pretty tedious as it currently stands. They need to tweak the Nightmare Dungeon play loop a little to make it more enjoyable and add some QOL stuff but it took D3 years to become polished enough for me to really like, so D4 has a huge head start on that front and I suspect the game will only get better and probably in pretty short order.

Thinking about making a Sorc alt now, not seeing much point in grinding past 90 other than to maybe kill level 100 Lilith for shits and giggles

Another difficulty level past world tier 4 is already needed. For a loot grind game it seems pretty poor design to not really get many upgrades from level 70-100 as all the best shit starts dropping immediately in WT4

[magnetaress]

Sounds like you guys are having a little bit of fun b4 the big roid hits.

That is great!

[Toxigen]

Level 86 Barbarian now, the game is fun but I have an inkling that Seasonal play will become pretty tedious as it currently stands. They need to tweak the Nightmare Dungeon play loop a little to make it more enjoyable and add some QOL stuff but it took D3 years to become polished enough for me to really like, so D4 has a huge head start on that front and I suspect the game will only get better and probably in pretty short order.

Thinking about making a Sorc alt now, not seeing much point in grinding past 90 other than to maybe kill level 100 Lilith for shits and giggles

Another difficulty level past world tier 4 is already needed. For a loot grind game it seems pretty poor design to not really get many upgrades from level 70-100 as all the best shit starts dropping immediately in WT4

When can you realistically go to World Tier 4 and stay there? I could get a friend or two to carry me through the capstone dungeon but I want to be able to survive on my own after getting there. Like is there a certain level of nightmare dungeon I should be able to reliably solo as a "char check" before moving on? I have a couple level 18 sigils for NMDs I've been saving til I wrap up a couple key paragon board nodes / glyphs.

I'm a 58 sorc - playing an off meta full frost frozen orb / blizzard / deep freeze / barrier generation build (i still use ice shards but enchantment only for the passive proc, not on my spell bar/hotkeys).

[Bardp1999]

WT4 cant have enemies below level 72 or 73 I believe, so even if you manage to get there at level 60, everything in the world will be 72 or 73. Then when you get past level 73 it scales with whatever level you are. For example, at level 88 I think all the world monsters are spawning as level 89 for me now.

But just because the world monsters are 73 doesnt mean you need to be level 73, I think 65 is when I moved over and it was fine. At level 88 I am doing Nightmare 40-45 dungeons and the monsters are all over level 100 at that stage and I can stomp most of them easily (bad elite affixes can cause some trouble occasionally), but I also have a advanced paragon board, many uniques, have min/max most of my gear, and I have a meta build (whirl wind).

The main advantage of WT4 is Ancestral loot, you will start being able to get gear 720-820 ilvl and it will really boost you, plus all the Uniques can drop.

Basically get to WT4 soon as you can because you will replace every piece of gear you have once you get the Ancestral version. When you are still in WT3 gear WT4 will seem challenging, but once you have WT4 gear you'll start owning shit above your level easily

Also DM me if you want a power level, I dont mind at all

[Ooloo]

Could anyone give a quick summary of how D4 is different than D2? I played diablo 1 and then a TON of diablo 2, but I skipped 3 entirely.

I just picked up D4 and I don't understand how some things work. Is the world one big hub? IE no discreet acts or episodes? Where are your potions? I don't see them in the "consumables" inventory tab. Also why do I see other people of various levels running around in the world? Is everyone on one big server, or..? Also do you have to identify items anymore? All the magic stuff I find seems to be pre-identified.

Definitely liking it so far overall, some of the environments look amazing graphically and I like the skill tree, but my brain just defaults to Diablo 2 so some things are kind of confusing.

[Toxigen]

Could anyone give a quick summary of how D4 is different than D2? I played diablo 1 and then a TON of diablo 2, but I skipped 3 entirely.

I just picked up D4 and I don't understand how some things work. Is the world one big hub? IE no discreet acts or episodes? Where are your potions? I don't see them in the "consumables" inventory tab. Also why do I see other people of various levels running around in the world? Is everyone on one big server, or..? Also do you have to identify items anymore? All the magic stuff I find seems to be pre-identified.

Definitely liking it so far overall, some of the environments look amazing graphically and I like the skill tree, but my brain just defaults to Diablo 2 so some things are kind of confusing.

You don't get potions in inventory. You start with 3 or 4 and can unlock more earning renown with the different areas. Health potions drop a lot in dungeons and you can also restock at "healer" NPCs in towns as well as those healing cauldron things out in the wild.

I think theres a bunch of servers you prob randomly get assigned on.

This is my first real go at Diablo so its been pretty great.

@Bardp1999 - thank you! That's exactly what I was looking for. I'm 60 now...probably done spending resources upgrading my current gear until I decide on an end game build...I'll just keep leveling to 65 then push WT4. I'll hit you up for a carry sometime!

[Evia]

Could anyone give a quick summary of how D4 is different than D2? I played diablo 1 and then a TON of diablo 2, but I skipped 3 entirely.

I just picked up D4 and I don't understand how some things work. Is the world one big hub? IE no discreet acts or episodes? Where are your potions? I don't see them in the "consumables" inventory tab. Also why do I see other people of various levels running around in the world? Is everyone on one big server, or..? Also do you have to identify items anymore? All the magic stuff I find seems to be pre-identified.

Definitely liking it so far overall, some of the environments look amazing graphically and I like the skill tree, but my brain just defaults to Diablo 2 so some things are kind of confusing.

First of all welcome to the party!
Yes the world is basically a giant world like eq….dungeons you load into will be your own “instance” but the open world is shared, which is why you see people running around. All items are automatically identified and your potions are now it’s own “ability” and you unlock more potions through completion of portions of the map, IE renown. As you lvl go to the alchemist to make the heal potion more powerful.

Pay attention to legendary item ‘abilities’ because if you like it you can rip the ability out at the occultist guy and then put it in any other item and it will automatically make it legendary.

I’m only lvl 50 but I’m having a great time so far with a flurry rogue. Rocking puncture/flurry/shadow step/dash/smoke grenade and it’s been pretty awesome in the aoe dmg department. Single target big named mobs still give me a bit of trouble but Im having fun and I think that’s the goal.

[Toxigen]

First of all welcome to the party!
Yes the world is basically a giant world like eq….dungeons you load into will be your own “instance” but the open world is shared, which is why you see people running around. All items are automatically identified and your potions are now it’s own “ability” and you unlock more potions through completion of portions of the map, IE renown. As you lvl go to the alchemist to make the heal potion more powerful.

Pay attention to legendary item ‘abilities’ because if you like it you can rip the ability out at the occultist guy and then put it in any other item and it will automatically make it legendary.

I’m only lvl 50 but I’m having a great time so far with a flurry rogue. Rocking puncture/flurry/shadow step/dash/smoke grenade and it’s been pretty awesome in the aoe dog department. Single target big named mobs still give me a bit of trouble but Im having fun and I think that’s the goal.

Yeah...once I got my 2nd paragon board and looking at the refund costs...I don't want to go blazing in thinking something will work good and then find out I've got millions of gold to spend on re-doing it all.

Trying to figure out what I want to do on my Sorc going forward to end game. Its maddening...I don't want to run the current ice shard meta because I'm betting the nerf bat swings it into oblivion.

[Evia]

Yeah...once I got my 2nd paragon board and looking at the refund costs...I don't want to go blazing in thinking something will work good and then find out I've got millions of gold to spend on re-doing it all.

Trying to figure out what I want to do on my Sorc going forward to end game. Its maddening...I don't want to run the current ice shard meta because I'm betting the nerf bat swings it into oblivion.

The paragon board still confuses me. I thought I'd get to choose a board to start based on guides I was reading...yet i seem to have one I cannot change. So I'm guessing everyone starts with this board and the one you choose next is technically your first board? Idk...

But I'm with you on not wanting to run meta builds. Even the guy who helped me build up my flurry build told everyone that twisting blades was way better. I just don't have as much fun playing the cookie cutter build of the month.

I didn't realize it was so expensive to reset the paragon board? I'll have to be careful then on what I'm doing with it.

[Toxigen]

The paragon board still confuses me. I thought I'd get to choose a board to start based on guides I was reading...yet i seem to have one I cannot change. So I'm guessing everyone starts with this board and the one you choose next is technically your first board? Idk...

But I'm with you on not wanting to run meta builds. Even the guy who helped me build up my flurry build told everyone that twisting blades was way better. I just don't have as much fun playing the cookie cutter build of the month.

I didn't realize it was so expensive to reset the paragon board? I'll have to be careful then on what I'm doing with it.

Yeah everyone starts with the same one then you get class options afterward.

Its definitely a lot to consider / plan if you're doing your own build.

This is the closest thing i could find to my own build:

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Problem is with these meta build makers is they require you get the precise aspects in every slot and unique items. So I kinda need a sorc build that has a bit of flexibility gear wise.

[magnetaress]

Looks like social media engagement numbers are good. Bobby be happy.

[Toxigen]

Popped into WT4 last night. Was sitting outside the capstone dungeon and paired up with another level 60. We duo'd it slow and steady, died maybe once.

I recommend anyone to just rush to WT4 (be at least level 55 tho), then go back and do all your side quests, etc. The loot is just so much better.

Helltides are definitely a lot harder. I have to go slow and steady (or follow around a high level while aggressively humping his leg), have to be super careful when going for the 175 chest. Just gonna continue with the Tree of Whispers and other easy pickins stuff like World Bosses and Legion events til I get some key Ancestral pieces.

@Evia, let me know when you hit WT4 lets go slay some merbs.

[Lune]

I'm playing an arc lash sorc currently in nightmare and it's very powerful but I can tell the whole melee thing as a sorc might eventually be a problem

[Evia]

Glad to hear all the great stories and that everyone seems to be having a good time. I just hit WT3 and am learning about the helltides and planning my paragon board out.

Usually I'm an alt o holic in diablo games, but I'm finding I'm uninterested in playing anything but my Rogue. Idk if that's because of how much fun I'm having or how much I don't want to do another leveling project lol.

[Nibblewitz]

Don't fret too much about gold. You will amass more crafting materials than you know what to do with and are able to vendor much of the loot that you get.

I'm playing an arc lash sorc currently in nightmare and it's very powerful but I can tell the whole melee thing as a sorc might eventually be a problem

Melee sorc is very much a thing in torment; I am also running arc lash.

[Toxigen]

Don't fret too much about gold. You will amass more crafting materials than you know what to do with and are able to vendor much of the loot that you get.



Melee sorc is very much a thing in torment; I am also running arc lash.

For sure arc lash is amazing, both leveling and end game specs have variants.

Seeing just so much damn ice shards. I'm even crutching on it rank 1 in an enchanted slot.

I want frozen orb to be good, so so badly.

[Nibblewitz]

Seeing just so much damn ice shards. I'm even crutching on it rank 1 in an enchanted slot.

I want frozen orb to be good, so so badly.

I was in a world event where a sorc was three shorting elites with ice shards. I suspect the vulnerability mechanic will be nerfed or reworked.

[Evia]

Does anyone have a good paragon board planner they’re using? I’ve just hit my 2nd board and I don’t wanna screw it up. The few I found googling didn’t work correctly.

[Toxigen]

Does anyone have a good paragon board planner they’re using? I’ve just hit my 2nd board and I don’t wanna screw it up. The few I found googling didn’t work correctly.

Its not insanely expensive to redo it early on. I think the key thing is to just go with stuff your build already is doing.

There's a few calc out there.

https://maxroll.gg/d4/planner/

[Evia]

Its not insanely expensive to redo it early on. I think the key thing is to just go with stuff your build already is doing.

There's a few calc out there.

https://maxroll.gg/d4/planner/

Awesome thank you! That one works great.

[Toxigen]

Awesome thank you! That one works great.

hows the grind going? you ready for a T4 boost yet?

im on vacation starting friday mornin, come get it!

[unsunghero]

hows the grind going? you ready for a T4 boost yet?

im on vacation starting friday mornin, come get it!

I heard they put the drop chance of things like Shako to 1/5,000,000+

Sounds kinda stupid, like good luck getting one of those to drop in a 3 month season

[Evia]

hows the grind going? you ready for a T4 boost yet?

im on vacation starting friday mornin, come get it!

I'm down for some help to try to get to wt4! But I'm only 61. So maybe I should get to 65ish first? Hopefully we can do it before your vacation!



I heard they put the drop chance of things like Shako to 1/5,000,000+

Sounds kinda stupid, like good luck getting one of those to drop in a 3 month season


I saw that everyone is pretty upset about this. I think it's awesome that we have Uber rare items like that. Imagine the feeling if you ever DO find one. The pixel fueled dopamine hit must be out of this world!

[Toxigen]

I'm down for some help to try to get to wt4! But I'm only 61. So maybe I should get to 65ish first? Hopefully we can do it before your vacation!


If we do a couple dungeons in WT4 you'll likely get some ancestral pieces which will be massive upgrades. As long as your build isn't complete trash that should make WT4 doable and not have to go back down. You could just follow me around a single Helltide and probably be good to go (my sorc slaps aoe clears...if I catch a helltide right when it spawns I can get all 4 chests of mysteries).

Do some world bosses and legion events where the higher levels can carry you. Helltides will go a bit slower but you'll still easily be able to get 2 mysteries chests.

Use helltides.com to find the correct spawn points.

I prioritize like this:

- World Boss
- Helltide
- Legion Event
- Tree of Whisper dungeons (especially if you haven't completed it yet)
- Renown stuff

Don't sleep on the Altars of Lillith! I ran around with a map and got all of them. It'll help a lot activating those first few rare nodes on the paragon boards where you may need a certain amount of str/int/dex/wis to activate the additional effect.

[Lune]

Trying rogue because I think I might like the playstyle and fashionquest more than sorc, but holy hell, it is not yet living up to the hype. It must scale really well at endgame or something because so far both TB and penetrating shot builds are pathetic compared to my arc lash sorc.

Feels great though; reminds me of playing Riki in DotA. A lot more stimulating than my sorc is

[Evia]

Trying rogue because I think I might like the playstyle and fashionquest more than sorc, but holy hell, it is not yet living up to the hype. It must scale really well at endgame or something because so far both TB and penetrating shot builds are pathetic compared to my arc lash sorc.

Feels great though; reminds me of playing Riki in DotA. A lot more stimulating than my sorc is

Try out Flurry! Feels like a rogue should imho.

Puncture/Flurry/Dash/Shadow Step/imbue of your choice(i like shadow for aoe bomb)/utility ability of your choice (I like smoke grenade or dark shroud here)

Make sure you get the aoe aspect for flurry and it's pretty great for aoe dmg.

[Evia]

If we do a couple dungeons in WT4 you'll likely get some ancestral pieces which will be massive upgrades. As long as your build isn't complete trash that should make WT4 doable and not have to go back down. You could just follow me around a single Helltide and probably be good to go (my sorc slaps aoe clears...if I catch a helltide right when it spawns I can get all 4 chests of mysteries).

Do some world bosses and legion events where the higher levels can carry you. Helltides will go a bit slower but you'll still easily be able to get 2 mysteries chests.

Use helltides.com to find the correct spawn points.

I prioritize like this:

- World Boss
- Helltide
- Legion Event
- Tree of Whisper dungeons (especially if you haven't completed it yet)
- Renown stuff

Don't sleep on the Altars of Lillith! I ran around with a map and got all of them. It'll help a lot activating those first few rare nodes on the paragon boards where you may need a certain amount of str/int/dex/wis to activate the additional effect.

Cool I'll keep on the statues of Lilith and try to gain some lvls for now. I'll look for you online to see if you're available to help me get to wt4! Hopefully I'm not too low yet.

[Toxigen]

Cool I'll keep on the statues of Lilith and try to gain some lvls for now. I'll look for you online to see if you're available to help me get to wt4! Hopefully I'm not too low yet.

Well that was fun. Hope you got some good pieces to start off with!

@Bardp99, thanks for the heavy carry! Those level 50 NMDs with 4 are beefy.

[Evia]

Well that was fun. Hope you got some good pieces to start off with!

@Bardp99, thanks for the heavy carry! Those level 50 NMDs with 4 are beefy.

Thanks again bro! Really truly appreciate all the help! I managed to get a couple ancestral weps and a pair of Temerity legs! So yeah it was a good haul! That helltide was brutal tho! I felt I was hanging ok in wt4 all things considered until the helltide...my God never been one shot that often.


WT4 is a bit tough at 63..but I think it'll just make me a better player lol. D4 just turned into dark souls a bit. I'm learning to dart in and then out of combat to avoid the one shot while relying on my dodging through mobs for 2 sec flurry stun. If i do it right, I can stun lock mobs until they die. I wasn't doing this near as obsessively on WT2 or WT3...so I think it's just prepping me for the ride to 100.

Looking forward to future adventures!

[Toxigen]

Thanks again bro! Really truly appreciate all the help! I managed to get a couple ancestral weps and a pair of Temerity legs! So yeah it was a good haul! That helltide was brutal tho! I felt I was hanging ok in wt4 all things considered until the helltide...my God never been one shot that often.


WT4 is a bit tough at 63..but I think it'll just make me a better player lol. D4 just turned into dark souls a bit. I'm learning to dart in and then out of combat to avoid the one shot while relying on my dodging through mobs for 2 sec flurry stun. If i do it right, I can stun lock mobs until they die. I wasn't doing this near as obsessively on WT2 or WT3...so I think it's just prepping me for the ride to 100.

Looking forward to future adventures!

It'll get a ton faster when you get that first glyph + a couple rare nodes on your paragon board buffed up. Another few ancestral pieces and you'll be good to go.

Enjoy it while it lasts. Helltides are getting boring for me now. I did one this morning and got 4x chest of mysteries without too much trouble.

Hit me up any time and we can go plow through some nightmare dungeons. That is where you'll get glyph experience. I'll save some of my lower sigils for ya.

[Evia]

It'll get a ton faster when you get that first glyph + a couple rare nodes on your paragon board buffed up. Another few ancestral pieces and you'll be good to go.

Enjoy it while it lasts. Helltides are getting boring for me now. I did one this morning and got 4x chest of mysteries without too much trouble.

Hit me up any time and we can go plow through some nightmare dungeons. That is where you'll get glyph experience. I'll save some of my lower sigils for ya.

Awesome I'll try and gain some lvls and when you get back from your vacation hopefully we can run some NM dungeons and you can show me the ropes.

[unsunghero]

I was thinking of making a new thread but it’s not big enough for that IMO

But just wanted to mention I’ll probably be playing official classic WoW hardcore when it comes out, it was just announced today, and I believe test realms may be up

I have a co-worker who will be playing with me. Ill either be running a hunter (char I know best but super over-populated and ez-mode in hardcore), warlock, or priest

[Evia]

I was thinking of making a new thread but it’s not big enough for that IMO

But just wanted to mention I’ll probably be playing official classic WoW hardcore when it comes out, it was just announced today, and I believe test realms may be up

I have a co-worker who will be playing with me. Ill either be running a hunter (char I know best but super over-populated and ez-mode in hardcore), warlock, or priest

Sounds like fun! I hope you have a good time! I like wow classic but idk if I’d be into a hardcore character.

As for Diablo 4 though! Tox ran me through a few NM dungeons and I managed to snag some penitent greaves and full ancestral pieces in the rest of the slots. Im starting to hold my own in wt4 now! It just took 7 or 8 levels lol. I just finished up all my renown so now do we just focus on world bosses, helltides, nm dungeons and legion events? Or is there something else?

[Swish]

I was thinking of making a new thread but it’s not big enough for that IMO

But just wanted to mention I’ll probably be playing official classic WoW hardcore when it comes out, it was just announced today, and I believe test realms may be up

I have a co-worker who will be playing with me. Ill either be running a hunter (char I know best but super over-populated and ez-mode in hardcore), warlock, or priest

Expect to see about half pop of hunters.

[Toxigen]

Sounds like fun! I hope you have a good time! I like wow classic but idk if I’d be into a hardcore character.

As for Diablo 4 though! Tox ran me through a few NM dungeons and I managed to snag some penitent greaves and full ancestral pieces in the rest of the slots. Im starting to hold my own in wt4 now! It just took 7 or 8 levels lol. I just finished up all my renown so now do we just focus on world bosses, helltides, nm dungeons and legion events? Or is there something else?

Yeah I generally prioritize these:

- World Bosses
- Legion events
- Helltides

After that its kind of up to you. Its basically a tossup between Tree of Whispers dungeons and NMDs...and if you're still grinding renown for paragon points.

I just find NMDs to be more fun (challenging) than just blasting through regular WT4 stuff.

I'll be back on Sunday. Let's push some NMD sigils!

[Evia]

Yeah I generally prioritize these:

- World Bosses
- Legion events
- Helltides

After that its kind of up to you. Its basically a tossup between Tree of Whispers dungeons and NMDs...and if you're still grinding renown for paragon points.

I just find NMDs to be more fun (challenging) than just blasting through regular WT4 stuff.

I'll be back on Sunday. Let's push some NMD sigils!

Awesome looking forward to it! Rogues 75 now and I've been collecting NM sigils so between yours and mine we've probably got plenty of them to do.

I've yet to kill a world boss if that's different than legion bosses. How do you find those? Or is it just random spawns?

[unsunghero]

Uber Lilith looks like a bitch to kill

But I heard some bone spear necro build can kill her in like 2 minutes just standing and face-tanking her shit

(What happens when you attempt with a non-optimal build)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gR5wqvy16L4

[Origen]

Soy mouth!!!

[unsunghero]

Soy mouth!!!

The dude was detailing how he was crying after 24 hours straight of failed attempts

Sorry, but if you are playing a video game 24 hours straight no breaks, then crying afterward, you need to re-evaluate your life

But he is a runner who healed his brain from the video game trap by running so I give props for that

[magnetaress]

Expect to see about half pop of hunters.

Survival is p gud in retail still.

I play shadow and disc priest.

I just notice good dps. May be survivorship bias tho with Survival hunters cuz only the good players will stick to the spec if it's not FOMO META

[Origen]

The dude was detailing how he was crying after 24 hours straight of failed attempts

Sorry, but if you are playing a video game 24 hours straight no breaks, then crying afterward, you need to re-evaluate your life

But he is a runner who healed his brain from the video game trap by running so I give props for thatI can only handle like, an hour or two of any game these days, tops.

Good on that person, though. It was just a joke cuz his mouth was open.

I have not tried Diablo 4, yet.

[Lune]

Low 60's now (got a late start then switched from sorc to rogue at 53). Definitely notice some huge flaws with the game but I think it's a testament to its fun/addictive quality that I won't be able to play til the 14th (moving across the country) and I find myself missing it.

I'm a little wary of seasons. I have no interest in doing the season lvling ladder thing but I don't want eternal to be a ghost town. How did that go down in d3? Did everyone play the seasons with virtually nobody on eternal?

[Evia]

Low 60's now (got a late start then switched from sorc to rogue at 53). Definitely notice some huge flaws with the game but I think it's a testament to its fun/addictive quality that I won't be able to play til the 14th (moving across the country) and I find myself missing it.

I'm a little wary of seasons. I have no interest in doing the season lvling ladder thing but I don't want eternal to be a ghost town. How did that go down in d3? Did everyone play the seasons with virtually nobody on eternal?

Based on how many casual d4 players went up in arms at the concept of seasonal ladder servers, I'd say Eternal will still be popular.

I agree with you and the "casual uproar crowd" that I'm not interested in seasonal progression. That is a staple of the diablo franchise tho so of course they're gonna do it.

[Toxigen]

Based on how many casual d4 players went up in arms at the concept of seasonal ladder servers, I'd say Eternal will still be popular.

I agree with you and the "casual uproar crowd" that I'm not interested in seasonal progression. That is a staple of the diablo franchise tho so of course they're gonna do it.

Are you going to start a Season 1 char?

I'm thinking I will. The game turns into a mindlessly boring grind in the upper 80s...I was pushing NMD sigils but thats literally the only thing left to do.

[Bardp1999]

Based on how many casual d4 players went up in arms at the concept of seasonal ladder servers, I'd say Eternal will still be popular.
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Eternal will be fine for season 1, but by the time season 2 hits Eternal will be the equivalent of Red 99

You can get PLed to 50 in about 30 minutes as it stands and as they add more shit that will become less and less time and higher and higher level. Creating a new character isnt that big of a deal for a 3 month season and in the long run is fun (once you get over the concept and actually try it). Seasons are the only thing that kept D3 fun

[Toxigen]

Eternal will be fine for season 1, but by the time season 2 hits Eternal will be the equivalent of Red 99

You can get PLed to 50 in about 30 minutes as it stands and as they add more shit that will become less and less time and higher and higher level. Creating a new character isnt that big of a deal for a 3 month season and in the long run is fun (once you get over the concept and actually try it). Seasons are the only thing that kept D3 fun

You wanna slam S1 with me?

I may do another sorc...just because im familiar with the builds / etc. Hoping for some balance changes as I love the playstyle / aesthetics / etc.

I read up a bit...so you'll have all your altars of lilith / map discovered / renown / etc...but you won't have access to your shared bank, right?

[Evia]

Are you going to start a Season 1 char?

I'm thinking I will. The game turns into a mindlessly boring grind in the upper 80s...I was pushing NMD sigils but thats literally the only thing left to do.

If my rogue was 100 I’d probably make a character for season 1. Since I’ll likely not be there before the season starts I think I’ll just keep working on him. Perhaps for season 2 I’ll try it out.

I’d also likely just play another flurry rogue. They’re too much fun! About to hit 85! I just picked up two unique daggers for him in a Condemnation and Ashearas Katar that I’m dual wielding. Hoping to find a doombringer sword to pair with the katar and drop condemnation so I can go back to inner focus instead of the combo points.

The grinds been pretty harsh tho so idk if I’ll have the drive to lvl another character….we will see.

[Toxigen]

If my rogue was 100 I’d probably make a character for season 1. Since I’ll likely not be there before the season starts I think I’ll just keep working on him. Perhaps for season 2 I’ll try it out.

I’d also likely just play another flurry rogue. They’re too much fun! About to hit 85.

Nice. I kinda hit the boredom wall w/ sorc.

Will probably try a necro for S1. Let me know if you change your mind! Your rogue will always be there.

[Bardp1999]

There isnt anything great that happens at level 100. Think P99 without any raiding option or epic quests, you hit 60 and... welp cool... time to roll an alt. I have a 100 Barbarian and 98 Druid.

Fun game, but they need to tweak the 80-100 experience significantly or give us some sort of longer term goals. The loot chase leaves a lot to be desired and the feeling of progression basically stops completely. D4 isnt really a great game to binge like EQ/P99, its only fun in a couple of hour bursts.

Seasonal play is the only way to really enjoy Diablo4 long term, on the Eternal Realm I cant see any reason I would ever log in again once the season train gets rolling (similar to Diablo 3).

Ive played a few sessions with Toxigen, if anyone needs a PL or anything HMU, but there is really nothing to speak of past the campaign at this point in D4s development. Doing NM Dunegon 70 and NM Dungeon 5 are largely the same experience but you character slaps out bigger numbers and can maybe run your "spec" more smoothly (and that does make it more fun...but...cmon).

[Bardp1999]

You wanna slam S1 with me?

I may do another sorc...just because im familiar with the builds / etc. Hoping for some balance changes as I love the playstyle / aesthetics / etc.

I read up a bit...so you'll have all your altars of lilith / map discovered / renown / etc...but you won't have access to your shared bank, right?

For sure - I'll probably go Barbarian as I almost always do, but I am also really digging my Druid so it will likely be a game time decision.

[Toxigen]

There isnt anything great that happens at level 100. Think P99 without any raiding option or epic quests, you hit 60 and... welp cool... time to roll an alt. I have a 100 Barbarian and 98 Druid.

Fun game, but they need to tweak the 80-100 experience significantly or give us some sort of longer term goals. The loot chase leaves a lot to be desired and the feeling of progression basically stops completely. D4 isnt really a great game to binge like EQ/P99, its only fun in a couple of hour bursts.

Seasonal play is the only way to really enjoy Diablo4 long term, on the Eternal Realm I cant see any reason I would ever log in again once the season train gets rolling (similar to Diablo 3).

Ive played a few sessions with Toxigen, if anyone needs a PL or anything HMU, but there is really nothing to speak of past the campaign at this point in D4s development. Doing NM Dunegon 70 and NM Dungeon 5 are largely the same experience but you character slaps out bigger numbers and can maybe run your "spec" more smoothly (and that does make it more fun...but...cmon).

Yeah thats what I'm finding. The grind to find perfect 4/4 high rolled stats is just bad. Like my gear now is mostly 3/4 high or 4/4 decent. I don't see my character getting that much better aside from finishing my paragon board and maxing out the glyphs.

Sorc seems to be the worst for pushing high NMDs as well. I just can't get myself to play the only viable spec (ice shards). Hydra is having some strange interaction with scaling mob HP, so that may be the only spec left to try but I'd have to abandon a ton of my gear for it. Also the only way to play sorc is to get all 4 defensive skills and load up on vuln/stun/etc stacking modifiers and do big burst on your defensive CDs. Whereas other classes just breeze through the same shit I'm struggling on. I did a couple NMDs with Evia yesterday...I had 8 or 9 levels on him and his damage as a rogue was noticeably higher. Sure, I had the durability but if he were same level it wouldn't even be a comparison.

Agree on the seasons. Pretty much the only way to keep it fresh.

Trying to decide between necro and rogue for S1. RL buddy is leaning towards rogue so I'm leaning necro. Will be fun to learn a new class on a fresh start.

[Toxigen]

Welp. I spent 12 million gold rolling an amulet last night. Landed a near max CDR enchant on an already 3/4 near max. Slapped a max aspect on her and that slot is officially 100% DONEZO.

Ballin out of control.

The addiction is real.

[Evia]

I wanna play but it's been painful lately in my left thumb/wrist. Something about the ps5 controller in long sessions just wrecks my left hand....idk what it is. Never had this issue on any other ps controller. Hoping a few days rest mends it so I can get back to it. You're right the addiction is real!

[Toxigen]

I wanna play but it's been painful lately in my left thumb/wrist. Something about the ps5 controller in long sessions just wrecks my left hand....idk what it is. Never had this issue on any other ps controller. Hoping a few days rest mends it so I can get back to it. You're right the addiction is real!

Nice damage you were pumping in our couple of runs.

I'm the tanky fire burn tickler. I get 'em eventually and just don't die.

[Evia]

Nice damage you were pumping in our couple of runs.

I'm the tanky fire burn tickler. I get 'em eventually and just don't die.

We will have to run some more. I finally fixed my controller/thumb issue I think with some joystick extenders. I like those abilities you do that pull the mobs together in a pack so I can slice n dice! We’re a pretty good 1-2 punch if I can work on my survivability. Most of my paragon board that I have left to fill up will improve my armor and dmg reduction quite a bit so I hope it rounds out my build.

[Toxigen]

We will have to run some more. I finally fixed my controller/thumb issue I think with some joystick extenders. I like those abilities you do that pull the mobs together in a pack so I can slice n dice! We’re a pretty good 1-2 punch if I can work on my survivability. Most of my paragon board that I have left to fill up will improve my armor and dmg reduction quite a bit so I hope it rounds out my build.

Yeah thats a combo of the sorc unique chest (rainment) and then the big serpent ultimate that continuously pulls them toward the center

im pretty much done though...ill play in some short bursts to boost the homies but just waiting for S1 now

think im gonna level as a summoner necro just b/c i want to try it then swap to whatever meta builds come out next patch

[Toxigen]

holy gross patch notes lol

still no sorc love

[Evia]

New patch is harsh...lots of nerfs...My siphoning blades, which I use to heal me/keep me up, is now reliant on lucky chance. They also nerfed crit strike dmg, vulnerable dmg, and cc dmg. All three stats I built my char around. Not to mention the nerfs to armor....and I was already squishy enough.

I ran some nmd after the patch and my kill speed is quite a bit slower. Idk if it's a coincidence, but it does feel like it's easier to do my evade stun dance moves now. Couple that with the new aspect that stuns all close enemies for 2-4 seconds and I might have a pretty OP stunlock build.

We will see!

[Toxigen]

New patch is harsh...lots of nerfs...My siphoning blades, which I use to heal me/keep me up, is now reliant on lucky chance. They also nerfed crit strike dmg, vulnerable dmg, and cc dmg. All three stats I built my char around. Not to mention the nerfs to armor....and I was already squishy enough.

I ran some nmd after the patch and my kill speed is quite a bit slower. Idk if it's a coincidence, but it does feel like it's easier to do my evade stun dance moves now. Couple that with the new aspect that stuns all close enemies for 2-4 seconds and I might have a pretty OP stunlock build.

We will see!

Everyone built around crit / vuln / CC. The nerfs are intended intended to slow everything down which isn't a bad thing. I'll probably never log on my sorc again haha, just too much committed to the old formulas.

I made a necro to mess around on tonight and get a feel for the minion mechanics. Looks like its going to be a hoot to level. Bonespear is nerfed so other builds will actually be relevant. Hoping for a good blood or shadow build to get developed for WT4!

[Evia]

Everyone built around crit / vuln / CC. The nerfs are intended intended to slow everything down which isn't a bad thing. I'll probably never log on my sorc again haha, just too much committed to the old formulas.

I made a necro to mess around on tonight and get a feel for the minion mechanics. Looks like its going to be a hoot to level. Bonespear is nerfed so other builds will actually be relevant. Hoping for a good blood or shadow build to get developed for WT4!

Yeah I agree slowing the pace of the game down a bit isn't necessarily bad. We will see how it all shakes out. I saw a video of a bone necro still wrecking Uber Lilith even after the patch..so they're still strong but perhaps not the only viable build.

I didn't realize everyone focused on the same stats I was. It makes the nerf hammer even more profound since it's clearly changed up all builds.

I'm skipping season 1 but i may join you guys for season 2.

[Lune]

Everyone built around crit / vuln / CC. The nerfs are intended intended to slow everything down which isn't a bad thing. I'll probably never log on my sorc again haha, just too much committed to the old formulas.

I made a necro to mess around on tonight and get a feel for the minion mechanics. Looks like its going to be a hoot to level. Bonespear is nerfed so other builds will actually be relevant. Hoping for a good blood or shadow build to get developed for WT4!

Slowing everything down may be a bad thing when you look at their motivation-- monetization.

S1 is dropping in days. They want to sell battlepasses. They've just gutted basically every character; all the optimized gear, specs, paragons, and aspects people built for both popular and unpopular, strong and weak specs alike. They want to sell tier skips. They've just slowed the game down massively and enhanced the grind. Those few, or perhaps many, who planned to stay on eternal now decide whether to rebuild their broken chars or just play S1.

This is design by monetization. The nerds in their c-suite have crunched some model that ordains some target speed with which they want players to progress through the game to optimize microtransactions. It's clear that's what this patch is, because there is little to no care for actual class balance; sorcs still garbage, underperforming abilities still underperform across the board, Helltides nerfed to oblivion, etc. Rather, anything that cleared content too quickly was dismantled. This was meta-design packaged as class balance.

If this were design by fun, underperforming classes, builds, and abilities would have been brought up to being competitive and only the most broken and egregious builds or abilities nerfed. Your character would still basically be intact, but it may no longer be optimal. If they felt the game was trivial at this point, they could have increased mob strength. I think people got through their content offerings too quickly, and this is somewhat an attempt to stretch the content. Should have been done before release, though, before people got a taste for it.

That being said, if I'm still having fun, I'll still play. Been moving the last couple weeks and haven't been able to play.

[Toxigen]

Slowing everything down may be a bad thing when you look at their motivation-- monetization.

S1 is dropping in days. They want to sell battlepasses. They've just gutted basically every character; all the optimized gear, specs, paragons, and aspects people built for both popular and unpopular, strong and weak specs alike. They want to sell tier skips. They've just slowed the game down massively and enhanced the grind. Those few, or perhaps many, who planned to stay on eternal now decide whether to rebuild their broken chars or just play S1.

This is design by monetization. The nerds in their c-suite have crunched some model that ordains some target speed with which they want players to progress through the game to optimize microtransactions. It's clear that's what this patch is, because there is little to no care for actual class balance; sorcs still garbage, underperforming abilities still underperform across the board, Helltides nerfed to oblivion, etc. Rather, anything that cleared content too quickly was dismantled. This was meta-design packaged as class balance.

If this were design by fun, underperforming classes, builds, and abilities would have been brought up to being competitive and only the most broken and egregious builds or abilities nerfed. Your character would still basically be intact, but it may no longer be optimal. If they felt the game was trivial at this point, they could have increased mob strength. I think people got through their content offerings too quickly, and this is somewhat an attempt to stretch the content. Should have been done before release, though, before people got a taste for it.

That being said, if I'm still having fun, I'll still play. Been moving the last couple weeks and haven't been able to play.

Agree with pretty much the whole bit. Sorc needed buffs so badly and didn't get anything...so strange.

Amen to still having fun, as am I. I'm not doing any microtransactions (I paid $70 for a game they aren't getting another dime) as I'm in no rush and don't care to be at the front of the herd. If anything it makes it more enjoyable for me to see how things play out and be able to decide on a build in due time and not waste a bunch of time/resources making "mistakes."

Add us to friends if ya want, Lune. Are you on PS5 or PC?

[Lune]

For sure, I'm on PC. Still getting settled so probably won't be able to play a ton for a few more days. Was planning on staying eternal but at this point I'll probably just roll s1, druid or rogue

[Evia]

Slowing everything down may be a bad thing when you look at their motivation-- monetization.

S1 is dropping in days. They want to sell battlepasses. They've just gutted basically every character; all the optimized gear, specs, paragons, and aspects people built for both popular and unpopular, strong and weak specs alike. They want to sell tier skips. They've just slowed the game down massively and enhanced the grind. Those few, or perhaps many, who planned to stay on eternal now decide whether to rebuild their broken chars or just play S1.

This is design by monetization. The nerds in their c-suite have crunched some model that ordains some target speed with which they want players to progress through the game to optimize microtransactions. It's clear that's what this patch is, because there is little to no care for actual class balance; sorcs still garbage, underperforming abilities still underperform across the board, Helltides nerfed to oblivion, etc. Rather, anything that cleared content too quickly was dismantled. This was meta-design packaged as class balance.

If this were design by fun, underperforming classes, builds, and abilities would have been brought up to being competitive and only the most broken and egregious builds or abilities nerfed. Your character would still basically be intact, but it may no longer be optimal. If they felt the game was trivial at this point, they could have increased mob strength. I think people got through their content offerings too quickly, and this is somewhat an attempt to stretch the content. Should have been done before release, though, before people got a taste for it.

That being said, if I'm still having fun, I'll still play. Been moving the last couple weeks and haven't been able to play.


This is keen observation here. Most likely the truth in why they ultimately did this.

I was never planning on spending any money in the cash shop, but I wasn't necessarily against it.

Now I have a chip on my shoulder tho lol and am going to make it a point to not pay them another dime. If they truly are trying to angle the game to encourage me to pay money ill resist because of principle or I'll quit entirely.

Rn I'm having fun though as you said so I'll play until that isn't the case.

[Toxigen]

awwwww yisssss my guesses on the patch notes are a hit

https://app.mobalytics.gg/diablo-4/builds/necromancer/ramping-minions

my build for S1

[Toxigen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/154fgmi/saw_this_patch_meme_somewhete_rip_sorc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=13&utm_content=1

lmao

[Evia]

https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/154fgmi/saw_this_patch_meme_somewhete_rip_sorc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=13&utm_content=1

lmao

Haha that was hilarious!

I broke down and joined season 1 after all. Going rogue again but bow this time. I tried the meta Twisting Blades for the first 15 levels but couldn't get into the play style.

Build so far...
Puncture/Rapid Fire/Dash/Concealment/Poison Trap/Poison Imbue

So far its been a lot of fun. Plays similar to my Flurry Rogue except I'm ranged and Poison and not melee shadow. I also swapped shadow step for Concealment for cc break. It's a longer cooldown but much less awkward for a ranged build since I dont have to teleport to melee range. Hopefully I can ride this build until the end.

[Lune]

lol you know a patch is bad when you get a great Risitas

Haha that was hilarious!

I broke down and joined season 1 after all. Going rogue again but bow this time. I tried the meta Twisting Blades for the first 15 levels but couldn't get into the play style.

Build so far...
Puncture/Rapid Fire/Dash/Concealment/Poison Trap/Poison Imbue

So far its been a lot of fun. Plays similar to my Flurry Rogue except I'm ranged and Poison and not melee shadow. I also swapped shadow step for Concealment for cc break. It's a longer cooldown but much less awkward for a ranged build since I dont have to teleport to melee range. Hopefully I can ride this build until the end.

Same deal with me, except I tried going ranged this time and it's just not working for me so far. So I'm going TB again until I can figure something out. I love the playstyle tho

[Toxigen]

lol you know a patch is bad when you get a great Risitas



Same deal with me, except I tried going ranged this time and it's just not working for me so far. So I'm going TB again until I can figure something out. I love the playstyle tho

Hey I saw your message last night super late...damn PS5 chat is so clunky. Sorry about that.

I hit 43 last night and had to conk out. Let's all get to WT3 this weekend and bang some dungies.

Minion necro is lit AF. Super happy.

[Evia]

Hey I saw your message last night super late...damn PS5 chat is so clunky. Sorry about that.

I hit 43 last night and had to conk out. Let's all get to WT3 this weekend and bang some dungies.

Minion necro is lit AF. Super happy.


Sounds like a good time! I'll try to get to wt3 asap. Speaking of minion necro, have you seen this yet?

You have to wait until the very end for the best part.
https://youtu.be/JbZXSDuRvOQ

[Evia]

lol you know a patch is bad when you get a great Risitas



Same deal with me, except I tried going ranged this time and it's just not working for me so far. So I'm going TB again until I can figure something out. I love the playstyle tho

Which bow build did you try? I like the concept of TB, but the way it worked felt cumbersome. Having to throw blades into something and then run behind a bunch of mobs and wait for the return. I like to hit combat full boar I guess lol. Which is why Flurry and Rapid Fire feel so good to me. Have you tried Penetrating Shot? That paired with an Eaglehorn bow seems similar to TB kinda? Arrows bouncing off mobs and the walls and going crazy.

Whatever you go with you should lmk. I love seeing different rogue builds. I already switched from poison imbue to Shadow Imbue to get aoe dmg. Ive noticed it's what I miss most from my Flurry build. I'm amazed at how well it's working out. I dash in to pack and drop a poison trap with heart that spawns a decoy that taunts enemies when I do it. So they all rush to stand on the poison trap and I just unload with Rapid Fire and repeat dashing through the pack dropping traps and firing from the other side. It's super fun and addicting to do...didn't think I'd find something I liked as much as flurry. Makes me wonder how many other fun rogue builds there are.

[Lune]

Just got my wired connection set up to try to minimize ping; pisses me off that I'm only 15 miles away from the google fiber around Microsoft HQ. Still a dramatic improvement in the ping I was getting with a USB wifi adapter and deep south internet lol

Hey I saw your message last night super late...damn PS5 chat is so clunky. Sorry about that.

I hit 43 last night and had to conk out. Let's all get to WT3 this weekend and bang some dungies.

Minion necro is lit AF. Super happy.

Damn nice. Looks like I'm the casual scum these days. Just hit 30 though and hopefully will be WT3 by tomorrow

Which bow build did you try? I like the concept of TB, but the way it worked felt cumbersome. Having to throw blades into something and then run behind a bunch of mobs and wait for the return. I like to hit combat full boar I guess lol. Which is why Flurry and Rapid Fire feel so good to me. Have you tried Penetrating Shot? That paired with an Eaglehorn bow seems similar to TB kinda? Arrows bouncing off mobs and the walls and going crazy.

Whatever you go with you should lmk. I love seeing different rogue builds. I already switched from poison imbue to Shadow Imbue to get aoe dmg. Ive noticed it's what I miss most from my Flurry build. I'm amazed at how well it's working out. I dash in to pack and drop a poison trap with heart that spawns a decoy that taunts enemies when I do it. So they all rush to stand on the poison trap and I just unload with Rapid Fire and repeat dashing through the pack dropping traps and firing from the other side. It's super fun and addicting to do...didn't think I'd find something I liked as much as flurry. Makes me wonder how many other fun rogue builds there are.

I only tried penetrating shot for about the first 10 levels before giving it up so I don't think it was a fleshed out build or a good sampling of what the ranged builds have to offer. I just like TB too much, so I think I'm going to run the same build I was running on Eternal before the patch for leveling. TB is like "Nothing Personnel: The Build", kind of obnoxious with the amount of running and teleporting around you have to do but I enjoy the playstyle. I may switch and try a ranged build in WT3 though. For leveling I'm currently running just a generic TB build that maximizes energy cost reduction to spam TB as much as possible. I'm loving that taunting shadow decoy malignant btw, clumps mobs up nicely to dash through them and skewer with TB

[Evia]

Whew just got to wt3. I tried at 41 and got through the whole dungeon but couldn't kill the boss. Went and did all the strongholds and tried again at 47 and finished np. I feel like the survivability is strong with this build...but my dps feels less than on flurry build. It could be the nerf patch tho and not so much the build. Also anyone else constantly waiting on cooldowns? I don't ever recall having this issue on the flurry build. Even with preparation my shits always down.

[Lune]

Whew just got to wt3. I tried at 41 and got through the whole dungeon but couldn't kill the boss. Went and did all the strongholds and tried again at 47 and finished np. I feel like the survivability is strong with this build...but my dps feels less than on flurry build. It could be the nerf patch tho and not so much the build. Also anyone else constantly waiting on cooldowns? I don't ever recall having this issue on the flurry build. Even with preparation my shits always down.

Had that same thing happen on my first character, a sorc... just didn't have the dps to kill last boss before running out of pots.

I just did the WT3 dungeon at 48 and came out to a helltide, having not farmed WT3 items or fine tuned my aspects yet. Ended up getting a couple chests lol. Strong build so far it seems and I haven't fucked with getting good malignants yet. Not a very CD-heavy build you basically just right click everything and focus on positioning. I know the times I've tried penetrating shot builds I wait around on cooldowns frequently.

[Toxigen]

Solo'd the WT4 dungeon at level 59. Boss was hard as shit but got it done. (bring a fire resist elixir and a HP incense it'll help a ton with getting 1 shot)

Minion Ramp is fun but I can definitely see it falling off in NMD push later on. It sucks when your minions get slaughtered and you're down to only the Golem.

Going to collect all max/near max aspects in the bank for the inevitable mid season respec.

[jebbasha]

Regarding your Minion Ramp build, while it may be enjoyable now, you are right that it might not scale as well in higher difficulty modes like NMD push. Minion-based builds often face the challenge of minions being vulnerable to enemy attacks, and as the game progresses, enemies tend to become more powerful and can easily wipe out your minions, leaving you with fewer combat options.

Your idea of collecting max/near max aspects in the bank for a mid-season respec is a wise decision. Having a stockpile of resources and gear will give you the flexibility to adapt your build to the changing challenges as the game evolves.

[magnetaress]

What build is all the cool kids doing 😎?

[Homesteaded]

Made it to like 64? Game is incredibly boring. D3 was way better. Hope they make it right like they did with D3.

[Evia]

Made it to like 64? Game is incredibly boring. D3 was way better. Hope they make it right like they did with D3.

Sorry you’re not having a good time! I wasn’t a fan of d3…but I loved d2! I hear they’re aiming more for d2 vs d3 with 4, but I could be wrong. Heard all this 2nd hand.

I didn’t have fun at all in the beta period and also thought the game was boring. Once I found the class I liked that all changed. I do think the late game is lacking content right now. About 50-60 it can get monotonous, I’ll give ya that. Watching your build and paragon board flesh out pushes me through this portion of the game. But I do wish we had more to do than Nmd and helltides.

[Evia]

What build is all the cool kids doing 😎?

Cool kids? Meaning the meta?
Bone spear necro
Twisting blades rogue
Werenado Druid
From what I hear on the streets

[magnetaress]

Those are all p cool.

I played a bone thingy necro in d2, im glad bonespears made cut!

Wherenado sounds awesome!

[Evia]

Those are all p cool.

I played a bone thingy necro in d2, im glad bonespears made cut!

Wherenado sounds awesome!


They do look pretty rad! If I ever get off the rogue hype train I'll probably play one. Or a barb.

[Toxigen]

Level 72 ish. Winions Necro fun. Blood Golem is insanely tanky. Basically solo'd the world boss (WT4) for this group of 50s this morning that were just getting 1 shot over and over.

Its pretty high APM, but once it clicked its been a blast. Will still likely have to respec but I'm gonna push this bitch as high as I can first.

Hit me up if anyone needs a carry run through the WT4 capstone dungie. We can bang some helltide or tunnels and get you going.

[Evia]

Level 72 ish. Winions Necro fun. Blood Golem is insanely tanky. Basically solo'd the world boss (WT4) for this group of 50s this morning that were just getting 1 shot over and over.

Its pretty high APM, but once it clicked its been a blast. Will still likely have to respec but I'm gonna push this bitch as high as I can first.

Hit me up if anyone needs a carry run through the WT4 capstone dungie. We can bang some helltide or tunnels and get you going.

Nice man! Sounds like a real fun build! Hopefully you don't have to respec it. I'd love some help to get to wt4 sometime. I'll look for you when i can get on. I just finished my renown so I'm all focused on wt4 and NM dungeons and helltides to 100.

[Patriam1066]

Sorry you’re not having a good time! I wasn’t a fan of d3…but I loved d2! I hear they’re aiming more for d2 vs d3 with 4, but I could be wrong. Heard all this 2nd hand.

I didn’t have fun at all in the beta period and also thought the game was boring. Once I found the class I liked that all changed. I do think the late game is lacking content right now. About 50-60 it can get monotonous, I’ll give ya that. Watching your build and paragon board flesh out pushes me through this portion of the game. But I do wish we had more to do than Nmd and helltides.

D3 was terrible upon release but got better. Haven’t played D4 but D2 was definitely superior to D3

[Toxigen]

Nice man! Sounds like a real fun build! Hopefully you don't have to respec it. I'd love some help to get to wt4 sometime. I'll look for you when i can get on. I just finished my renown so I'm all focused on wt4 and NM dungeons and helltides to 100.

Anytime, just hit me up.

We can blast through all the WT4 malignant tunnels right after the capstone dungeon. That should get you a nice chunk of XP and maybe some loot / heart upgrades.

[jebbasha]

Initial reviews of Diablo 3: Indeed, upon its release in 2012, Diablo 3 was somewhat criticised due to various factors, including the requirement for a constant online presence and some of the game's design decisions. However, over time, through patches and expansions, Blizzard has addressed many of the issues and greatly improved the game. In particular, the Reaper of Souls expansion added substantial content and features that were well received by the gaming community. Diablo 4: Diablo 4 was announced at the time of the last update and some gameplay footage and details were shown. It was stated that the game will be a return to the darker and more sombre atmosphere of Diablo 2, retaining some of the elements loved by D2 fans. Blizzard has expressed its intention to learn from Diablo 2 and Diablo 3, aiming to strike a balance and create a game that appeals to a wider audience while retaining the essence of the series. Although the game is great, but sometimes you need to take a break from it, I, for example, go to https://betwinner.global/app/ and relax there, even sometimes I get income. Diablo 4 Beta Testing Period: Diablo 4 had not yet been released at the time of the last update, and any information about beta testing periods or gameplay experience since the last update is beyond my knowledge.

[Toxigen]

Build got a rev change. I am feeling so strong and still don't have the unique ring yet.

gOmYRkwfjmE

[Toxigen]

Starting to burn out a little on this necro. I got the unique ring which was a total game changer and felt amazing as soon as I equipped it.

Level 91, solo'd a level 60 NMD which is higher than I ever got on my gimp Firewall sorc in pre-season.

I don't see this build going any higher than about level 80 NMD but we'll see.

Gonna take a break this week. Too much D4.

[Evia]

Starting to burn out a little on this necro. I got the unique ring which was a total game changer and felt amazing as soon as I equipped it.

Level 91, solo'd a level 60 NMD which is higher than I ever got on my gimp Firewall sorc in pre-season.

I don't see this build going any higher than about level 80 NMD but we'll see.

Gonna take a break this week. Too much D4.

Congrats on the ring find! I've also found myself a bit burnt out. I still wanna get to 100 but it's rough knowing it's basically nmd over and over and over.
I wish there were more shit to do to lvl 50-100.

[Toxigen]

Congrats on the ring find! I've also found myself a bit burnt out. I still wanna get to 100 but it's rough knowing it's basically nmd over and over and over.
I wish there were more shit to do to lvl 50-100.

Yeah you can't beat NMD for both XP and loot. Being able to control the mob levels so you're always at exactly +10 for max XP bonus is nice and the buffed completion rewards make it a no-brainer best activity.

I blew over 40 million gold on enchanting hoping for a lucky roll on a couple perfect pieces....all to just realize my character isn't getting much stronger no matter what I do now outside of a respec. Fun times.

The ring is completely broken though. I see procs above 3m damage now.

[Lune]

Yea I ended up burning out on D4 in general, as well. Slowly hunting for slightly better items with perfect rolls, hoping to get a few select uniques, and inching down that paragon board were not going to be enough to keep me invested.

Think this one needed to cook a little bit more

[Toxigen]

Yea I ended up burning out on D4 in general, as well. Slowly hunting for slightly better items with perfect rolls, hoping to get a few select uniques, and inching down that paragon board were not going to be enough to keep me invested.

Think this one needed to cook a little bit more

I'd like to kill Uber Lillith (couldn't w/ my sorc in pre season) and just be done til S2.

NMD100 is for a special breed of Sperg. Ain't nobody got time for that nonsense.

Good thing Baldur's Gate 3 comes out on PS5 in September.

[Swish]

Is Diablo 4 dying?

[Tethler]

Is Diablo 4 dying?

Idk, haven't logged on in a month. May be like D3 and needs 6 months to get its shit together. I'll give it another run through after I play Baldur's Gate 3 and Starfield and hope by then they make the post-story content more engaging.

[Toxigen]

Welp. My build got another update. Just sparked me up again.

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Yeah. Getting ready to 1 shot uber lillith lol.

[Nibblewitz]

Almost got my barb to 60 and its been pretty fun. I'm not sure why but my class is getting a major buff next week so that's exciting.

[Evia]

Almost got my barb to 60 and its been pretty fun. I'm not sure why but my class is getting a major buff next week so that's exciting.

Congrats! Play any other class and you'll see why. Barb is great at being tanky but their dps seems to lag behind the other classes a bit. They could use a bit of a buff. I have a 30s barb I duo with my irl brother and it's a chore to play him compared to my Rogue. Still a fun class don't get me wrong! Just takes too long to move and kill stuff.

[Bardp1999]

Level 79 Barb - Still playing but not real excited. The game content ends at level 70 right now, that's just simply the truth. 75-100 has no progression in gear or things to do which is really weird for a game where acquiring new gear and exploring is really the only objective... I guess there are some uniques that people get unlucky finding and chase those, but im not sure that really counts for much.

The problem in D4 right now is the same as in many other action RPGs, you get to a point where you can 1 shot enemies and they can 1 shot you right back so it becomes a stupid game of jousting. I have a 100 Druid and 100 Barb on Eternal

D4 will probably be pretty fun after the first expansion but we are playing the Beta still unfortunately. The game has a really good foundation is the positive... Killing shit feels pretty good if they can fix resists and defenses and worry about making it fun to play instead of "balancing" the classes (this is a single player game who gives a fuck about balance).

I watched the POE2 trailer... makes me a little sad this is what we got out of D4 on release, but whatever, I played D3 for like 10 years off and on through the good and bad and will probably do the same here.

[Toxigen]

Level 79 Barb - Still playing but not real excited. The game content ends at level 70 right now, that's just simply the truth. 75-100 has no progression in gear or things to do which is really weird for a game where acquiring new gear and exploring is really the only objective... I guess there are some uniques that people get unlucky finding and chase those, but im not sure that really counts for much.

The problem in D4 right now is the same as in many other action RPGs, you get to a point where you can 1 shot enemies and they can 1 shot you right back so it becomes a stupid game of jousting. I have a 100 Druid and 100 Barb on Eternal

D4 will probably be pretty fun after the first expansion but we are playing the Beta still unfortunately. The game has a really good foundation is the positive... Killing shit feels pretty good if they can fix resists and defenses and worry about making it fun to play instead of "balancing" the classes (this is a single player game who gives a fuck about balance).

I watched the POE2 trailer... makes me a little sad this is what we got out of D4 on release, but whatever, I played D3 for like 10 years off and on through the good and bad and will probably do the same here.

Spot on. The game is fantastic 1-70 when you're building out your gear, finding those perfect aspects, and its raining paragon points. I'd actually say 1-80 is fine...but 90-100 is just painful.

I'm basically at a point on my necro now where it feels like I've sold/salvaged a thousand items from NMDs searching for those 3 or 4 perfect pieces to more or less "complete" my gear. It just feels bad doing 20 NMDs and getting absolutely nothing. Don't get me started on Helltide chests to target farm, the iLvl gear is trash.

I think they ought to adjust how the 4 stats on gear are rolled...to incentivize going for higher NMD dungeons. Say when you first hit WT4, ancestrals can drop but they should have a lower probability to have high rolled stats...and that probability to roll max/near max should steadily increase as you go higher and higher. So by NMD 60+ most drops should have hella juicy rolled stats. Its hard enough to find an item with 3 out of the 4 (1 can always be gamble-enchanted to get the 4th) desired...nevermind max/near max on all those rolls.

I will say the seasonal perks (the cinders thing, forget what its called) for the additional XP / gold / elixir duration / higher quality hearts was a nice touch. I felt like I leveled insanely fast but I was also playing one of the strongest builds out there.

They need to do something more for PVP. A factions / team battle area would be a nice addition. It just feels like you either clobber some newb or get dismantled by a try-hard...its like they need to scale down the pvp damage or something to make fights last a little longer.

Would also like to see an in-game LFG system.

Just going to finish off 100, splat uber lillith, and do a NMD push to see how high I can joust and be done w/ S1. Minion Necro into this crazy Corpse Explosion / Blood Mist / Bone Prison / Bone Storm build has been a fun ride, though.

https://app.mobalytics.gg/diablo-4/builds/necromancer/ramping-minions - if anyones making a necro i highly recommend that...fun as hell

[Evia]

Spot on. The game is fantastic 1-70 when you're building out your gear, finding those perfect aspects, and its raining paragon points. I'd actually say 1-80 is fine...but 90-100 is just painful.

I'm basically at a point on my necro now where it feels like I've sold/salvaged a thousand items from NMDs searching for those 3 or 4 perfect pieces to more or less "complete" my gear. It just feels bad doing 20 NMDs and getting absolutely nothing. Don't get me started on Helltide chests to target farm, the iLvl gear is trash.

I think they ought to adjust how the 4 stats on gear are rolled...to incentivize going for higher NMD dungeons. Say when you first hit WT4, ancestrals can drop but they should have a lower probability to have high rolled stats...and that probability to roll max/near max should steadily increase as you go higher and higher. So by NMD 60+ most drops should have hella juicy rolled stats. Its hard enough to find an item with 3 out of the 4 (1 can always be gamble-enchanted to get the 4th) desired...nevermind max/near max on all those rolls.

I will say the seasonal perks (the cinders thing, forget what its called) for the additional XP / gold / elixir duration / higher quality hearts was a nice touch. I felt like I leveled insanely fast but I was also playing one of the strongest builds out there.

They need to do something more for PVP. A factions / team battle area would be a nice addition. It just feels like you either clobber some newb or get dismantled by a try-hard...its like they need to scale down the pvp damage or something to make fights last a little longer.

Would also like to see an in-game LFG system.

Just going to finish off 100, splat uber lillith, and do a NMD push to see how high I can joust and be done w/ S1. Minion Necro into this crazy Corpse Explosion / Blood Mist / Bone Prison / Bone Storm build has been a fun ride, though.

https://app.mobalytics.gg/diablo-4/builds/necromancer/ramping-minions - if anyones making a necro i highly recommend that...fun as hell

I really liked your suggestion on ancestral items having higher/better rolls in higher end content. Something to give more incentive to try for higher nmd.

I agree with pretty much everything you said about the game after 70. It's fun up until around that point as you're planning a build and acquiring the sweet aspects you wanna work with and plugging them into some quality rare items with good stats. But the game falls off hard around 70 when the only goals become 1)finish paragon board 2)min/maxing minor upgrades on gear. 3)get 100
And the way they expect you to do it is basically nmd and that gets real old real fast w/o a better itemization system to give you incentive and motivation.

You mentioned a lfg tool of some sorts and I agree they need that pretty badly. The game is a great multiplayer experience but it's clunky and not user friendly in encouraging group play. If they're going to make it live service mmo style they should lean into that a bit more. It feels like a single player game most of the time.

Someone also mentioned earlier that the game has a good foundation but just isn't fleshed out enough yet and I think that really nails it. The game still feels very beta/early access in a lot of ways, It just needs more content. Not enough stuff to do or things to work towards.

[Toxigen]

I really liked your suggestion on ancestral items having higher/better rolls in higher end content. Something to give more incentive to try for higher nmd.

I agree with pretty much everything you said about the game after 70. It's fun up until around that point as you're planning a build and acquiring the sweet aspects you wanna work with and plugging them into some quality rare items with good stats. But the game falls off hard around 70 when the only goals become 1)finish paragon board 2)min/maxing minor upgrades on gear. 3)get 100
And the way they expect you to do it is basically nmd and that gets real old real fast w/o a better itemization system to give you incentive and motivation.

You mentioned a lfg tool of some sorts and I agree they need that pretty badly. The game is a great multiplayer experience but it's clunky and not user friendly in encouraging group play. If they're going to make it live service mmo style they should lean into that a bit more. It feels like a single player game most of the time.

Someone also mentioned earlier that the game has a good foundation but just isn't fleshed out enough yet and I think that really nails it. The game still feels very beta/early access in a lot of ways, It just needs more content. Not enough stuff to do or things to work towards.

They've got all the experience w/ LFG tools from WoW. Shouldn't be that hard to incorporate a version of that into D4.

I'm still down to grind some NMDs with ya, though! Once you beef up a little more and avoid those 1 shots it may be a little more fun for ya :)

[Evia]

They've got all the experience w/ LFG tools from WoW. Shouldn't be that hard to incorporate a version of that into D4.

I'm still down to grind some NMDs with ya, though! Once you beef up a little more and avoid those 1 shots it may be a little more fun for ya :)


Yeah I have a good time running nmds with you! Even with the 1 shots...haha. I suppose that should be expected when you're fighting mobs 35 lvls higher than you. It just makes my solo nmd 30s feel easy afterwards lol!

Oh! On my previous post...I also really like The Butcher mechanic. Having a 'rare named ' possibly show up in any dungeon you run is a really cool feature. Treasure Goblins as well! They should add more of these type of mobs imho.

[Toxigen]

I'd like to see specific 4-man dungeons as well with mechanics that require multiple people. That would pair well with LFG.

You're starting to survive more! That one with my RL buddy was tough...think it was a 59 or 60 NMD and we had a butcher too lol...took forever but we got it done.

I find the legion events to be pretty good XP wise too...must be the extra player and campfire XP bonus plus you're shredding a ton of mobs in a short period of time.

I just do world bosses, legion events when its a whisper tree thing, NMDs (try to target ones that are whispers), and only Helltides for mystery chests when I need elixirs.

[Evia]

Elon Musk plays D4 I guess? Has like a 50s Druid lol. How that guy finds any time to play a video game is surprising to me.

[Toxigen]

Killed Uber Lillith on my Necro and started a Druid.

Kinda lost with what build to go. Pulverize is boring.

[Evia]

Killed Uber Lillith on my Necro and started a Druid.

Kinda lost with what build to go. Pulverize is boring.

The Werewolf Tornado druids looks rad! Congrats on 100 and final battle kill!

[Toxigen]

The Werewolf Tornado druids looks rad! Congrats on 100 and final battle kill!

Yeah everyone and their grandma is running that now....was expecting a nerf but it didn't happen.

Guess I'll have to hop on the bandwagon.

[Toxigen]

Still haven't had a crone staff drop. Level 85. Yikes.

[Bardp1999]

Level 90 on my Barb and no Ghors gloves still

[Toxigen]

i get it...stuff is supposed to be rare...but im almost 91 now and still no crone

wish there was some kind of ultra gold sink or something where you could gamble for uniques like obols

reading how druids have found 3, 4, 5 of em by level 75 is infuriating

[Swish]

Just looked, currently there's 10x more people streaming Path of Exile.

A lot of peeps moved on?

[magnetaress]

diablo IV == wow 1.5

and its the direction wow is headed in

cash shops
dlcs
time gates
doling out little hits of 15 minute dopa per run over and over
reskinning content and adding spell effects to make ppl feel a sense of (false) acheivement

it's like... a really bad racing game that has multiplied itself into a casino with a daily grind

Until Blizzard tanks and has to sell all of its IP to another fledgling publisher willing to do better. LOL (Microsoft aint it haha).

Not to mention this wierd obsession with simplifying the art pipeline and environments... so its faster and faster to produce (produce less and give less, yet get more money some how from the SIMPS willing to pay for less)....

There was a good reason for diablo I and II's original fidelity ---- that shouldn't translate to D4 or WoW tho or any of their other games in this day and age. They won't skin the skyboxes properly because "you are your character and that should be front and center on the screen for all the narcissists of this age ---- looking for that next SKIN hit".

[unsunghero]

Just looked, currently there's 10x more people streaming Path of Exile.

A lot of peeps moved on?

Yeah a lot of people had huge problems with complete lack of endgame other than running nightmare dungeons apparently

[Homesteaded]

I got out at like 61? Game was complete garbo

[Evia]

i did really like playing my rogue(s) but the severe lack of end game content and just general stuff to do naturally drove players away after they realized it. the giant nerf they did really didnt help either.

it doesnt help that so many incredible games came out in 2023. gamers are getting sick of subpar and unfinished games i think.

[Bardp1999]

Yea I have put D4 on the shelf lately (and apprently all my friends list has also), been playing BG3, P99 (a little), and I even ran a few StarCraft 2 Co-Op Commander games. Looking at Starfield since I have a new computer but I think I may pass on that one for now.

Really bummed there isnt more to D4, I was really hoping that could be the one I dumped my time into but whatever. I'll probably try to get 100 I guess, im already 90-something.

[Toxigen]

Yea I have put D4 on the shelf lately (and apprently all my friends list has also), been playing BG3, P99 (a little), and I even ran a few StarCraft 2 Co-Op Commander games. Looking at Starfield since I have a new computer but I think I may pass on that one for now.

Really bummed there isnt more to D4, I was really hoping that could be the one I dumped my time into but whatever. I'll probably try to get 100 I guess, im already 90-something.

I wound up doing necro(100), druid(95), and barb (90) S1.

Like you said before...the best part of the game is about 50-85. Your paragon board is progressing nicely, you're getting lots of gear upgrades....then once you hit 4/4 on all slots and have your uniques it just takes the wind out of the sails.

Will finally play a rogue in S2. Playing BG3 right now.

[Botten]

Got to 94 on sorcerer found no appeal to play S2. Was discouraged by that day of terrible nerfs. I have BG3 but sadly work has been getting in the way of fun lately.

Sorcerer had its problems but was still fun.

Had a crackling energy build that was a lot of fun for clearing.

[Evia]

yeah the core gameplay is still fun. that nerf was definitely a giant buzzkill for everyone...


i have hope the game will turn itself around. they just need to flesh it out a bit more.

[Toxigen]

I'm just taking a break until S2. Hopefully they add some meaningful content and improvements. It really needs a /LFG feature built in.

BG3 wasn't what I thought it would be. Clunky on PS5.