Brand New Enchanter

[Spaerhawk]

I started playing a Chanter for a number of reasons, one of which being I've never played a caster before.

I've gotten myself to level 16 by power leveling. (Brazier to level 11, Tooth to 16. See my post in General about my woes with that tooth.) Now I'm trying to actually learn the class, specifically charm killing.

I'm in NRo charming dervish cutthroats and generally succeeding. (I haven't died yet! I know I will, but not yet.) However, I go through my entire bar of mana killing one camp. Because I've twinked the chanter with maybe 3k of gear, medding takes quite a while. (Even with Breeze.)

What am I doing wrong? I know I need to get 51% of the damage per mob, so I'm hitting each with Sanity Warp twice. That's a big mana hog, though.

I've read (and keep open) Xornn's guide, but am still having a tough time figuring this out on my own.

Cheers.

[PatChapp]

I started playing a Chanter for a number of reasons, one of which being I've never played a caster before.

I've gotten myself to level 16 by power leveling. (Brazier to level 11, Tooth to 16. See my post in General about my woes with that tooth.) Now I'm trying to actually learn the class, specifically charm killing.

I'm in NRo charming dervish cutthroats and generally succeeding. (I haven't died yet! I know I will, but not yet.) However, I go through my entire bar of mana killing one camp. Because I've twinked the chanter with maybe 3k of gear, medding takes quite a while. (Even with Breeze.)

What am I doing wrong? I know I need to get 51% of the damage per mob, so I'm hitting each with Sanity Warp twice. That's a big mana hog, though.

I've read (and keep open) Xornn's guide, but am still having a tough time figuring this out on my own.

Cheers.
Charm killing takes a lot of mana at low levels. Are you 1v1 the mob or using one to kill multiple?
If your doing 1v1 and killing both you don't need to do 51% dmg,just break at low % and finish them both off. When you break charm, your pets dmg leaves the mobs memory.
If your using one pet to kill a bunch of mobs,it's probably not worth it to try to do 51% dmg either.

You can always back your pet off,memory blur and nuke as well. Will net full XP from that kill.

[Spaerhawk]

Charm killing takes a lot of mana at low levels. Are you 1v1 the mob or using one to kill multiple?
If your doing 1v1 and killing both you don't need to do 51% dmg,just break at low % and finish them both off. When you break charm, your pets dmg leaves the mobs memory.
If your using one pet to kill a bunch of mobs,it's probably not worth it to try to do 51% dmg either.

You can always back your pet off,memory blur and nuke as well. Will net full XP from that kill.

1vMany

I really like the 1v1 idea, though. I need something to break the charm other than casting invis on myself. Goblin Gauz-whatever Ring probably.

I also like the idea of backing pet off and mem-blurring. Will have to practice that.

Thanks!

[PatChapp]

1vMany

I really like the 1v1 idea, though. I need something to break the charm other than casting invis on myself. Goblin Gauz-whatever Ring probably.

I also like the idea of backing pet off and mem-blurring. Will have to practice that.

Thanks!

1v many works well to, and usually kills mobs faster.
Backing your pet out of the fight before you invis helps with the lack of instant invis item.
It's a lot of roots,and a lot of mana either way.
A bar of mana to kill 4+ mobs isn't unreasonable

[Spaerhawk]

1v many works well to, and usually kills mobs faster.
Backing your pet out of the fight before you invis helps with the lack of instant invis item.
It's a lot of roots,and a lot of mana either way.
A bar of mana to kill 4+ mobs isn't unreasonable

Cool, thanks. Good to know! Appreciate the help.

[Tann]

Leveled up to 52 so far without a invis clicky, what works for me in a 1v1 is to cast mez, quickly type "/pet back" in the chat window and just before it finishes casting hit enter. If all goes well you'll have plenty of time to position yourself to break and root.

[branamil]

Charming in general is pretty crappy until 29. The twenties really suck for enchanters because the animation is weak and charming is weak.

Also your nukes are very weak. It's usually not worth it to try and out DPS your pet. Just let him continue to mow through things. Even with the XP hit it will win in the long run.

[Spaerhawk]

Oh, thanks both of you. That's awesome advice. I'm having SO much fun with this. Moved to West Commons 'cause I can get heals and buffs when I'm in danger.

[Seducio]

Don't underestimate your animation. If you get a mage focus item (broom of trillon etc, quest items found in EC) you can cycle with ease to get a max level animation each exp session. If done right your pet will be higher level than a few tiers of the lowest blues and exp giving greens. If you mow'd thru those not worrying about animation taking exp that is probably your fastest route to your 30s assuming you know where to hunt.

Start charming in your 30s to test the waters, but unless you really know what you are doing your max'd animation will consume less mana and be more efficient if soloing.

By the time you are in your 40s you'll be charming almost all the time.

[Spaerhawk]

Don't underestimate your animation. If you get a mage focus item (broom of trillon etc, quest items found in EC) you can cycle with ease to get a max level animation each exp session.

Oh, good to know, thanks! Also, how do you know you have the highest-level pet obtainable? Is there any way besides /con?

[PatChapp]

Oh, good to know, thanks! Also, how do you know you have the highest-level pet obtainable? Is there any way besides /con?

I think at 16 you can no longer get an even con,so you just need to go by what their hitting for. The max dmg is listed on the pet wiki.
Animation soloing kind of drops off after 20s or so. Then picks back up once you have zumaiks, the highest level spell.
It is surprisingly good.

[Seducio]

You can tell if its max pet by observing the maximum the pet hits a mob after summoning and consulting this https://wiki.project1999.com/Pet_Guide

[Seducio]

zumaiks, the highest level spell.
It is surprisingly good.

I don't agree with this guy regarding the 55 pet. At 55+ which is far away from level 16, 55+ charming dps is so good that Zumaiks can't keep up. It looks cool though.

[PatChapp]

I don't agree with this guy regarding the 55 pet. At 55+ which is far away from level 16, 55+ charming dps is so good that Zumaiks can't keep up. It looks cool though.

Well ofcourse it doesn't compare to charm pets,but if you want to do a lazy afk camp zumaiks is great.

[Spaerhawk]

Thanks, everyone! Super helpful information. Gonna kick some ass now. (Or at least TRY to...)

Cheers

[Spaerhawk]

Wait, one more question -- should I give my animation anything? FS weapon or anything? Also, is there any way to get it to attack without me getting attacked from the mob?

[kjs86zskidoo]

What am I doing wrong? I know I need to get 51% of the damage per mob, so I'm hitting each with Sanity Warp twice. That's a big mana hog, though.



For right now at your level and without clarity, probably better to stick to 1 v 1 fights.

Keep your kill target rooted.

If your pet is winning, you can spam "sit" and it will take max damage hits to even out their HP.

If your pet is losing, slow the kill target.

Try to get them both down as low as possible.

Invis self or gazughi ring. finish with the lowest level nuke that will kill the mob.

----OR----

Find a competent 2nd player around your level to duo with and you don't need to worry about pets eating xp.

[Tann]

Wait, one more question -- should I give my animation anything? FS weapon or anything? Also, is there any way to get it to attack without me getting attacked from the mob?

Weapons might help in the early levels yes but you don't have to, the animations are mindless bloodthirsty zombies basically.. no way to control them like other pets

[Seducio]

Wait, one more question -- should I give my animation anything? FS weapon or anything? Also, is there any way to get it to attack without me getting attacked from the mob?

I usually don't worry about weaponizing animations. Charmed pets get a torch to enable dual wielding.

The animation will only attack something that has attacked you. Be ready to CC via level 4 mesmerize any adds to enable 1v1 so pet is not ganged up on. Also if pet is not doing what you want and all the mobs are rooted you can reclaim animation and get a new pet going to attack whichever mob you prefer.

Make sure you have lots of Tiny Daggers. Low level animation don't cost that much mana.

[Crede]

I started playing a Chanter for a number of reasons, one of which being I've never played a caster before.

I've gotten myself to level 16 by power leveling. (Brazier to level 11, Tooth to 16. See my post in General about my woes with that tooth.) Now I'm trying to actually learn the class, specifically charm killing.

I'm in NRo charming dervish cutthroats and generally succeeding. (I haven't died yet! I know I will, but not yet.) However, I go through my entire bar of mana killing one camp. Because I've twinked the chanter with maybe 3k of gear, medding takes quite a while. (Even with Breeze.)

What am I doing wrong? I know I need to get 51% of the damage per mob, so I'm hitting each with Sanity Warp twice. That's a big mana hog, though.

I've read (and keep open) Xornn's guide, but am still having a tough time figuring this out on my own.

Cheers.

There are 3(4 for you) issues with charming at low levels, specifically for enchanters.

1.) You don't have clarity yet. Eventually you get C2, ToT, Wandering mind, etc. It just gets easier and easier to gain mana as you level up.
2.) At level 16 you don't have a great mana pool. Charm is expensive(always use the lowest level charm that will allow you to still charm blues).
3.) The level range of blues isn't great at level 16 vs let's say lvl 60 where a blue con mob is 15 levels lower than you. This will lead to more issues landing & maintaining charm.
4.) As others have stated, don't try to do 51%. Break as low as possible and finish off your pet. I used choke for the longest time to do this on my enc, great spell.

Hang in there, hunt the lowest possible blues you can, go 1v1 for awhile(1v many is better at 29+ with clarity & a better mana pool) and balance health as needed via pet sit if your pet is winning, but aim to fight similarish mobs. Also duo when possible with other classes to avoid having to charmless. It will get easier as you level up.

Good luck.

[Spaerhawk]

There are 3(4 for you) issues with charming at low levels, specifically for enchanters.

1.) You don't have clarity yet. Eventually you get C2, ToT, Wandering mind, etc. It just gets easier and easier to gain mana as you level up.
2.) At level 16 you don't have a great mana pool. Charm is expensive(always use the lowest level charm that will allow you to still charm blues).
3.) The level range of blues isn't great at level 16 vs let's say lvl 60 where a blue con mob is 15 levels lower than you. This will lead to more issues landing & maintaining charm.
4.) As others have stated, don't try to do 51%. Break as low as possible and finish off your pet. I used choke for the longest time to do this on my enc, great spell.

Hang in there, hunt the lowest possible blues you can, go 1v1 for awhile(1v many is better at 29+ with clarity & a better mana pool) and balance health as needed via pet sit if your pet is winning, but aim to fight similarish mobs. Also duo when possible with other classes to avoid having to charmless. It will get easier as you level up.

Good luck.

Thanks, mate. This is great advice. Here are some responses and f/u questions:

1) No C, but I do have Breeze. It helps, and I always have it up.
2) Only Charm spell I have is Charm, level 12. Yes, it's a lot of mana to use. How is the length of charm determined? I read something like "the game decides", but has any analysis been done?
3) I've been charming in Oasis - both orcs and gators. Seems to be working for me fairly well so far, but I've nearly died a few times, once to Lockjaw, another to a red orc.
4) I've been trying that and just need practice. I was able to do it a few times yesterday, and it's hilarious and awesome. Most of the time the charmed mob has way more HP left than the non-charmed mob, so when I invis to break charm, I have to root and nuke twice to kill the mob I charmed. What's some advice on how to better do this? OH SHIT I just realized the "/pet sit" is how to better do this, haha.

Again, thanks! Cheers.

[Crede]

Thanks, mate. This is great advice. Here are some responses and f/u questions:

1) No C, but I do have Breeze. It helps, and I always have it up.
2) Only Charm spell I have is Charm, level 12. Yes, it's a lot of mana to use. How is the length of charm determined? I read something like "the game decides", but has any analysis been done?
3) I've been charming in Oasis - both orcs and gators. Seems to be working for me fairly well so far, but I've nearly died a few times, once to Lockjaw, another to a red orc.
4) I've been trying that and just need practice. I was able to do it a few times yesterday, and it's hilarious and awesome. Most of the time the charmed mob has way more HP left than the non-charmed mob, so when I invis to break charm, I have to root and nuke twice to kill the mob I charmed. What's some advice on how to better do this? OH SHIT I just realized the "/pet sit" is how to better do this, haha.

Again, thanks! Cheers.

The last I checked enchanter charm length is determined by 3 things in order of biggest to smallest check. Level difference, magic resist, and charisma. I don’t know the weight of each one but as an enc you want high cha regardless so that’s covered. A lot of enchanters will have a pet kit with -MR items to give to a pet to help it last long. There’s several items that are good there’s a book I forget the name that is secondary only And -10MR so you get the benefit of a torch causing dual wield but also lessening MR. Adamantite rings and rusty spiked shoulder pads are good. Just don’t let your pet die but sometimes it happens and items are more of a thing when you’re duoing and trying to keep a pet to lessen the amount of charm breaks. Tash is good for this and if you have a shaman get a malo on it too. This is more for elite pets but it never hurts. Ultimately tho level difference is the biggest so like at 60 a lvl 45 pet will hold pretty well with no tash or max cha. But you should just always tash your pet the mana cost is worth a potential more expensive early break.

Also Read this guide. It’s relatively short compared to some of the other novels on the wiki guides but it will tell you what you need to do as you get more advanced.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Loraen%27s_Enchanter_Guide