Public Service Announcement: Gangrenous Touch of Zum'uul

[SantagarBrax]

Objectively and without a doubt, this spell is not worth more than 2k pp tops and only to complete your spell book.

It doesn't land on anything significant and if it does land, it's inconsistent (resisted 2/3 casts on Glimmer/Shimmer drakes in ToV). As a necro, you should be maximizing your efficiency and this spell does not do that in any meaningful capacity.

Enchanters have over farmed Chardok and want to utilize your ignorance of the spells' abilities to continue ripping the community off. I, along with many other necros, have tested this spell extensively and there is no justification for paying tens of thousands of plat for it, under any circumstances.

Beware the snake oil that is this spell.

Have a great day!

[Karthil]

Thanks for doing the testing! It's hard to not be tempted when it's a different resist check on a new spell, so it's good to know the reality of its usefulness :)

[PatChapp]

Yeah it is crap,it's only expensive because it drops off a mob you can only kill while the queen is down.
So you need a crew to farm the queen,then kill a mob in the worst room to fight in the zone.

[Crede]

Objectively and without a doubt, this spell is not worth more than 2k pp tops and only to complete your spell book.

It doesn't land on anything significant and if it does land, it's inconsistent (resisted 2/3 casts on Glimmer/Shimmer drakes in ToV). As a necro, you should be maximizing your efficiency and this spell does not do that in any meaningful capacity.

Enchanters have over farmed Chardok and want to utilize your ignorance of the spells' abilities to continue ripping the community off. I, along with many other necros, have tested this spell extensively and there is no justification for paying tens of thousands of plat for it, under any circumstances.

Beware the snake oil that is this spell.

Have a great day!

Perhaps it should be landing more? Might be worth some additional research

[Ghost of Starman]

Yeah it is crap,it's only expensive because it drops off a mob you can only kill while the queen is down.
So you need a crew to farm the queen,then kill a mob in the worst room to fight in the zone.

There's a reason the drop wasn't even found / discovered for years after implementation lol.

[PatChapp]

There's a reason the drop wasn't even found / discovered for years after implementation lol.

Even the ph is annoying to kill, bugger gates.
Go through all that nonsense to spawn the advisor. Empty corpse :mad:

[PestilentCancer]

I wholeheartedly agree that the spell is being sold for way more than it should be, but beyond that it’s just a disease based “Touch of Night”. Seems like it should benefit from the “Scent” line of spells, as far as being resisted. Is it really that bad?

[Ghost of Starman]

I wholeheartedly agree that the spell is being sold for way more than it should be, but beyond that it’s just a disease based “Touch of Night”. Seems like it should benefit from the “Scent” line of spells, as far as being resisted. Is it really that bad?

The issue is that there aren't many (any?) use cases where the difference in resist would be beneficial, given the testing that has been done.

When this first dropped we were super excited that it could potentially be usable on raid targets, as one of the biggest PITAs for necros (and SKs) when raiding is that pretty much everything in end-game resists LTs of all kinds.

For things that weren't unclassically changed to completely resist LTs, you don't have to worry about resists since there is a HUGE negative MR modifier on them, It's been years since I played but I can't recall getting LT resists outside of the non-classic immune mobs on P99.

[Andyman1022]

UCF mad that he picked the wrong class to start with. Could have been ENC and griefing people's wallets from the start.

[Toxigen]

ya but he has secret new meta necro gearing strats

[Andyman1022]

Literally get the best gear in game, such mind blowing strategies!

[Ripqozko]

209 dex necro, yall just dont understand how ground breaking it is

[Toxigen]

his gear is so meta breaking it got him reinvited after a g-kick and /ooc meltdown

[Andyman1022]

Get off his lawn toxigen

[SantagarBrax]

I was being extremely generous with the 2k plat suggestion due to the difficulty in obtaining the spell.

After careful consideration of the functionality and usefulness of the spell in as many scenarios that I could test it in, I've determined that this spell is worth 50p, in my honest opinion.

[jdionne]

Hey, it's the guy that keeps putting his pricing opinions on the wiki page. Do you scour all the wiki pages and put your bias'd opinion on what the price should be? Why does it matter to you

[SantagarBrax]

Price is based upon value. If a spell/item has no value, the free market will accurately reflect that over time and once knowledge is acquired, discounting supply and demand.

Unfortunately, there are people whom regularly take advantage of other players that are ignorant of the value of items/spells within this small community. This spell happens to be one of those that a majority of the community doesn't have sufficient knowledge regarding the capabilities due to the location of the mob that can drop it.

I have sufficient knowledge of this particular spell, as do many other necros that have overpaid tremendously for it. I know someone that paid 70k for this spell when the revamp occurred and I personally paid 50k during the same time period.

The revamp was several years ago now and I'm informing others so this community doesn't continue being abused simply because they are ignorant and some people are greedy and/or disingenuous. Hence, I'm informing the public.

It's called Integrity. I won't assume your motivations for questioning my motivations. Thanks for asking and I'm not sorry if this personally affects your farming platinum abilities.

[SantagarBrax]

Hey, it's the guy that keeps putting his pricing opinions on the wiki page. Do you scour all the wiki pages and put your bias'd opinion on what the price should be? Why does it matter to you

If you would like further examples of Integrity and word of this spells' capabilities from others: https://project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3607847#post3607847

[jdionne]

You won't assume my motivations? yet the next statement you assume I'm farming this spell for platinum.

I've told 1-2 copies in my lifetime between 15-25k. Never being disingenuous about the spell and claiming it's the bee's knees or it is never resisted. It's fine you include the data on the wiki to inform people but to include biased price data of what you think it's "value" is is just silly. Let the free market prices work its way out. If someone truly wanted to spend 20k or 30k I'd hope they'd check the wiki (see your data, thank you) or ask around the community and people say "its not worth it"

But I'll tell ya the copies I've sold, the buyer has admitted they'll never use it, but they are completionists and wanted a complete spell book, and it's not within their means to obtain and thanked me for finally getting that last spell. People get enjoyment for different things, not always having the most efficient spell.

It's like you are so upset you paid 50k, and felt like you got scammed and you have this oddly specific vendetta about this spell where you post multiple PSA's lol

[Trexller]

^ fuck this guy

[Toxigen]

Price is based upon value.

Wrong. Price is based entirely on what people are willing to pay for it.

Some spergs just want a complete book and have more money than they know what to do with.

[jdionne]

^ likewise? Go try to get the spell

[SantagarBrax]

You won't assume my motivations? yet the next statement you assume I'm farming this spell for platinum.

I've told 1-2 copies in my lifetime between 15-25k. Never being disingenuous about the spell and claiming it's the bee's knees or it is never resisted. It's fine you include the data on the wiki to inform people but to include biased price data of what you think it's "value" is is just silly. Let the free market prices work its way out. If someone truly wanted to spend 20k or 30k I'd hope they'd check the wiki (see your data, thank you) or ask around the community and people say "its not worth it"

But I'll tell ya the copies I've sold, the buyer has admitted they'll never use it, but they are completionists and wanted a complete spell book, and it's not within their means to obtain and thanked me for finally getting that last spell. People get enjoyment for different things, not always having the most efficient spell.

It's like you are so upset you paid 50k, and felt like you got scammed and you have this oddly specific vendetta about this spell where you post multiple PSA's lol

How about we have two entries on the wiki?

Value of the spell based upon usefulness on P99: 50p
Value of the spell based upon difficulty of acquiring: Agreement between seller and buyer.

Would this be agreeable to you?

[Toxigen]

man ucf you're all sorts of immersed buddy

[jdionne]

How about we have two entries on the wiki?

Value of the spell based upon usefulness on P99: 50p
Value of the spell based upon difficulty of acquiring: Agreement between seller and buyer.

Would this be agreeable to you?

People value things for different reasons. The wiki page should have all the relevant data of the spells usefulness, make it as clear as you want that it's no better or effective than the other necro spell, without talking about its plat "value". It's subjective, and the free market price will move over time. I'm not joking, the two people who I have sold a scroll to were very thankful they could finally complete their spellbook, some people find value in that, and achievement. The scroll isn't easily obtainable, and can be quite rare.

[SantagarBrax]

People value things for different reasons. The wiki page should have all the relevant data of the spells usefulness, make it as clear as you want that it's no better or effective than the other necro spell, without talking about its plat "value". It's subjective, and the free market price will move over time. I'm not joking, the two people who I have sold a scroll to were very thankful they could finally complete their spellbook, some people find value in that, and achievement. The scroll isn't easily obtainable, and can be quite rare.

My goal was to inform this community of the viability of this spell on P99 and to mitigate deceptive practices by preying upon the innocent/ignorant.

I understand your perspective. While you may have experienced exactly what you've stated, I've experienced the exact opposite from many necros. "Ahh man, I've just bought that thing last week for 20k", etc,.

What would be a reasonable accommodation if you're uncomfortable with my proposal?

[Fammaden]

UCF may be a kook but he's on the right path with this stuff. Let everyone know its 50K of uselessness, some players will just assume level+rarity+price=must have spell.

[SantagarBrax]

Hey now, I'm an excellent kook, Sir. ;) If your ribs don't ooze juice at the slightest pressure, you're doing it wrong.

[Pint]

If any of you rich completionists out there like first editions I've still got spare copies. Guaranteed first copies aside from the few we gave to friends/guild members

[Sarleon8503]

I paid about 35k a year or so ago from a group of farmers for Gangrenous Touch of Zum'uul. I would consider paying 10-15k now after owning it for some time though. It has limited utility and there are few mobs it actually lands on that normal lifetaps wouldn't. If you can get a Malosini + Scent of Darkness that will be about an extra -87 PR which can help it land. But by the time that comes to be you are passed the mean effectiveness of even bothering with this spell.

I understand the trouble of getting this spell to drop is extremely troublesome even for avid farmers. They went weeks without seeing a placeholder. 15k-20k is fair due to the rarity.

That being said if you can deal without a full spellbook - don't bother. This spell should only be sought after if you want to complete your spellbook and have a little fun in my opinion.

[Solist]

You’d pay 15k for a spell you don’t know the resist check of?

[Potus]

Is necro spell over level 50? If true then it is probably an overpriced piece of garbage.