Why do elves have a monopoly on the '

[JeremyDS]

I guess I don't understand why one race of people gets to have the ' in their surname and everyone else gets shafted on surnames. I didn't realize that me using a ' was cultural appropriation like Cornrows.

Could someone point me to the detailed naming rules, I can't find anything on the wiki about only elves get ' ?

[Haxom]

Perhaps you are confused as there is no such rule. In order to have an apostrophe in your surname you have to petition to have a guide add it for you.

[JeremyDS]

About 20 minutes ago a guide told me that only elves could have an Apostrophe in their name. I was unaware of this, that is why I am asking for a little guidance.

[JeremyDS]

I guess it was more like an hour ago, sorry =)

[Haxom]

About 20 minutes ago a guide told me that only elves could have an Apostrophe in their name. I was unaware of this, that is why I am asking for a little guidance.

I would petition here on the forums to confirm what you were told. I have never heard of that, and I believe that to be incorrect. It should be easy enough to sort out. I have personally had apostrophed names on non-elf characters on P99.

[Trexller]

yeah whatever guide told you that is abusing his authority and should be booted off the server

like Haxom said, post in the petition forum and wait for someone with actual authority to fulfill your name request

[Ennewi]

https://discord.com/channels/220544060144877568/220644954140180480/913495224569958411

Ambrogio — 11/25/2021 12:23 PM
Greetings! We have had quite a few petitions with missing information that have delayed initial investigations. Following are a few tips that can help us, help you.

Please ensure to include the following information with all forum petitions: server, account name, and character name. If submitting a reimbursement request, please ensure you have enough available slots in your main inventory to accommodate the reimbursement(s).

Speaking of petitions; there are two different methods used to submit petitions, in-game and on the forums.

Some requests we handle exclusively IN GAME with /petition.
In-Game Only: Name changes (PnP Violations), Surnames, Stuck players, Corpse Summons, Guild Creations, and Camp Disputes.

Surname: We will only add a ` in a surname if it is elvish themed. We will not give you a name that has been rejected. You must be on that toon for us to make this change, so do not get discouraged if we don't respond quickly. If you find yourself with an _ in your surname, you have lost the ability to have a surname due to abuse.

[Ripqozko]

Sorry you dont got elf, Consider Yellow.

[Ennewi]

That said, there are a number of NPCs throughout the world that have a grave accent or apostrophe in their surname and none of them are of elven descent.

Barbarian
https://wiki.project1999.com/Greta_O%60Reilly
https://wiki.project1999.com/Kar_O%60Dansin
https://wiki.project1999.com/Teria_O%60Danos
https://wiki.project1999.com/Quillion_O%60Zinn

Human
https://wiki.project1999.com/Dumisa_D%60Enetti
https://wiki.project1999.com/Monat_D%60Larme
https://wiki.project1999.com/Sir_Lucan_D%60Lere
https://wiki.project1999.com/Ran%60Un
https://wiki.project1999.com/Myrissa_O%60Donner
https://wiki.project1999.com/Monita_O%60Donner

Gnoll
https://wiki.project1999.com/Tesch_Val_Deval%60Nmak

Plenty of others, but you get the idea.

[Haxom]

That must have been a change in the rules and it is not reflected in the Getting Started guide here on the forums, while the apostrophe is. Interesting that it says 'elvish themed' and does not explicitly state race. Maybe you have an argument there if your name was elvish themed.

[JeremyDS]

Nah it was Ogrish I wanted Bone'ead

[Ripqozko]

Nah it was Ogrish I wanted Bone'ead

I would of denied you too, what a dumb name.

[Trexller]

https://discord.com/channels/220544060144877568/220644954140180480/913495224569958411

reason #4015 why takp is better:

no arbitrary "because i feel like it" rules

[Ennewi]

reason #4015 why takp is better:

no arbitrary "because i feel like it" rules

More race-specific features should mean the playerbase deliberates longer at character select, possibly even favoring style/lore over the known min/max choices. Same with the more substantial class-specific features on here, like paladin-only soulfire. This is a good thing and still keeps in line with the spirit of EQ, borrowing slightly from the Firiona Vie server rules. Before ogres were stupefied, perhaps they would have had fancier names but not during this time period on Norrath.

It would be interesting to know whether or not illusions count, as that would offer a workaround for bards, rogues, and enchanters. The only issue with the surname restriction is, it hasn't been listed anywhere for new players to easily find.

[Chortles Snortles]

Le'G'aYe

[JeremyDS]

I would of denied you too, what a dumb name.

I didn't care that they denied it. I just cared that it was a weird rule I hadn't heard of.

[Haxom]

Meanwhile, in blue EC today

https://i.imgur.com/0Jc2oGn.png

I still think the 'elf race only' response you received was incorrect if that's what they truly said. I'm no authority, but I'm willing to bet they'd let you do it with an RP appropriate name, but not if you're just trying to slip by some truncated phrase or word they wouldn't allow if fully spelled out. This one read as 'the ghoul' to me so is borderline not-allowable IMO, but at least it looks more fantasy/RP.

[Toxigen]

its 2023 and people still name police?

holy moly

[Haxom]

Obviously ... this entire thread is about OP getting name policed by staff. The rest of us are just here discussing it since there was apparently a new rule implemented in 2021 that many of us that have been on the server a long time were unaware was implemented.

[mattydef]

They were going to do that for my barbarian, so it's definitely not elves only. They probably want your surname to be thematic at least though

[Ghost of Starman]

What a stupid rule, legit feels like some sort of "cultural appropriation" leftist nonsense lol. As someone else stated literal in game NPCs that are Barbarian / Human use it, the Barbarians with the kilts / names have a Scottish / Irish design and apostrophes are incredibly common in those names.

[Infectious]

I know in classic you could do any name as long as it wasn't " the' soandso". As "the" in surnames were only given to event winners.

[loramin]

I know in classic you could do any name as long as it wasn't " the' soandso".

That's not at all true: punctuation might have been allowed, but non-fantasy, real world-referencing names were not. At least half the names allowed here wouldn't have been allowed on live (we just don't have the paid staff to sit and validate names).

[Infectious]

That's not at all true: punctuation might have been allowed, but non-fantasy, real world-referencing names were not. At least half the names allowed here wouldn't have been allowed on live (we just don't have the paid staff to sit and validate names).

I mean you couldn't do "cock'sucker". But you could do anything as long as it wasn't The'xxxxx. My surname during classic was "Of'Grobb".

[Ennewi]

They were going to do that for my barbarian, so it's definitely not elves only. They probably want your surname to be thematic at least though

Umlauts, the custom content we need.

[aussenseiter]

The French shouldn't exist but I support their right to a ` or '

[Trexller]

The French shouldn't exist but I support their right to a ` or '

france only exists because the USA exists better

hell, the entire continent of europe exists because we do it better.

[Toxigen]

elf lives matter

[Ghost of Starman]

This whole thing gave me flashbacks to the Dungeon Master documentary elf lady who dressed up as a Drow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJpc0lsdaZ4

[Asscastle]

Don't forget all those wyverns in Skyshrine named Fe'Dhar

[Ekco]

HEDS is the only surname a high elf should have. also lol at it taking nearly a page before someone pointed out literal 23 year old info about elf names.

[Trexller]

had an RL friend on live, iksar monk, his surname was "Do`Vassir" for years and years

yes, he named his surname after the vulak gloves

[Sckrilla]

HEDS is the only surname a high elf should have. also lol at it taking nearly a page before someone pointed out literal 23 year old info about elf names.
HIGH ELF DEATH SQUAD, MOUNT UP!

[TheBlob]

I had a similar experience when I wanted "McClerf" as a surname for my Dwarf Cleric. The guide answered that all names must be elvish-themed. I made my case that the world isn't only populated by elves and that brawny NPCs like barbarians often had "McWhatever" in their surname. After a bit of back and forth, the guide accepted my arguments and granted me my surname.

Now, I can't find it again, but some time after I recall seeing somewhere in the wiki that one of the rules for naming PCs was that "all names must be elvish themed". I believe this could be the source of the problem, since guides only apply rules.

If we could find where this is written, perhaps we could make our case that "fantasy themed" would be better fitting than "elvish themed", considering we can play other races than elves. Do any of you know who has the power to change this rule and if there is a way to contact him/her to suggest the change?

[Encroaching Death]

Elven privilege....

We need to dismantle this system of Elven Supremacy.

[Toxigen]

Elven privilege....

We need to dismantle this system of Elven Supremacy.

Let's subvert the high elf public schools and slowly indoctrinate their low levels into accepting social equity.

Max cha high elf enchanters have been successful for too long! Eat the rich.

[loramin]

I wonder if the command "only elf-themed names" came from someone who was thinking along the lines of "EQ is an 'elf sim', so we only want fantasy names when people are actually trying to 'sim an elf' (ie. have a fantasy character name)" ... but then it got taken literally as "only elfs get fancy names".

[pink grapefruit]

Elves are simply better than all other races, and one of the ways this cultural superiority becomes apparent is in their languages and naming conventions.

[Ghost of Starman]

Looking forward to Ogre names like "Glurg" being banned, after all, they aren't elfish. We need big smelly ogres named "Lathanderial Pureleaf" otherwise its not classic.

https://ibb.co/Hzf1GsC

[Xulia]

Elves are simply better than all other races, and one of the ways this cultural superiority becomes apparent is in their languages and naming conventions.

How's dealing with that Orc incursion on your borders going? You know, the one that's being underwritten by the evil versions of yourselves when your god decided that you weren't purple enough? The one that's been going on for quite a while and you don't seem to be making any headway on?

Better go set up another outpost on a continent you're not welcome in. That will show them for sure.

[Toxigen]

How's dealing with that Orc incursion on your borders going? You know, the one that's being underwritten by the evil versions of yourselves when your god decided that you weren't purple enough? The one that's been going on for quite a while and you don't seem to be making any headway on?

Better go set up another outpost on a continent you're not welcome in. That will show them for sure.

https://i.imgur.com/435x8mD.png

[Encroaching Death]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/260/694/392.jpg

[pink grapefruit]

How's dealing with that Orc incursion on your borders going? You know, the one that's being underwritten by the evil versions of yourselves when your god decided that you weren't purple enough? The one that's been going on for quite a while and you don't seem to be making any headway on?

Better go set up another outpost on a continent you're not welcome in. That will show them for sure.

Any reports of an orc "incursion" are greatly exaggerated, and I'm happy to report that the orcish threat remains well-contained. Kelethin and Felwithe consistently rank among both the safest and happiest cities in Norrath, and the only fear I have is honestly with the loathsome dwarves being so close. It's time we barred dwarves from our borders to protect the cultural integrity of our forests, but that's a discussion for another time.

Don't talk to me about dark elves, or if you do please get your facts straight. Tunare would never forsake her people- it was the evil Innoruuk that is to blame for the dark elf scourge, and they are primarly a problem over on Antonica- a continent away. You'll hardly ever see a dark elf in the forests of Faydark, but if you do you can expect them to very soon be dead at the hands of our very efficient rangers.

If certain continents did not want us to set up an outpost for the purposes of exploration and cultural enrichment, they could have done a better job of defending their coastlines. When our very first ships arrived it seemed clear that there was no modern civilization to be found whatsoever, so we are now working hard to introduce it to the area. People from certain continents may also want to consider not running their mouths, lest we pursue our efforts toward civilization more aggressively.

[Menden]

Elvish themed, not elvish only.

Like someone pointed out, Barb themed is fine also. We just want to keep the ` for RP.

[Ghost of Starman]

Elvish themed, not elvish only.

Like someone pointed out, Barb themed is fine also. We just want to keep the ` for RP.

So then barbs and humans can use ' as is the precedent with a large number of NPCs in the game world and is consistent with classsic?

[Encroaching Death]

Thank god the ' placement is being policed for RP while we have xXDonkeyXx Breath, the 57 Troll Warrior running around

[loramin]

Thank god the ' placement is being policed for RP while we have xXDonkeyXx Breath, the 57 Troll Warrior running around

Whitelists are much easier to maintain than blacklists. To block xXDonkeyXx someone would have to watch all new names, whereas to prevent xXDon'keyXx the one GM just needs to say "hell no" when the guy petitions.

(But FWIW, I too wish we had the staff resources to have a classic name policy here.)

[Swish]

france only exists because the USA exists better

hell, the entire continent of europe exists because we do it better.

I can't hear you over the free healthcare I'm enjoying.

Please stand for the British national anthem.




(PS: too many people abuse the ` to make a phrase out of their name... Sirken went to town on red names but never tackled blue, maybe its time)

[Jimjam]

Elvish themed, not elvish only.

Like someone pointed out, Barb themed is fine also. We just want to keep the ` for RP.

/surname ElfKrumpin'

[Encroaching Death]

I can't hear you over the free healthcare I'm enjoying.

Please stand for the British national anthem.




(PS: too many people abuse the ` to make a phrase out of their name... Sirken went to town on red names but never tackled blue, maybe its time)

He said France and the European continent.

The UK exists on another level.

Physically, spiritually, and geographically.

Rule Britannia, Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, shall be slaves!
Rule Britannia, Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, shall be slaves!

[Menden]

So then barbs and humans can use ' as is the precedent with a large number of NPCs in the game world and is consistent with classsic?

Pretty much. If we are asked to set a surname, we want it to be RP.

Some previous staff have set surnames that don't follow that guideline so you may find some outliners.

Players need to remember, there's a lot more of you then there are at us, forename and surname changes are generally at the bottom of the list for Guides unless it's obscene.

[Trexller]

I can't hear you over the free healthcare I'm enjoying.

Please stand for the British national anthem.




(PS: too many people abuse the ` to make a phrase out of their name... Sirken went to town on red names but never tackled blue, maybe its time)

American citizens pay for the jets and tanks that guarantee the national sovreignty required for your citizens to pay for universal healthcare

We'll carry the load, and never ask for thanks. Until now. You're welcome!

[Xulia]

Elvish Sass

That one. I'm eating THAT ONE.

[pink grapefruit]

That one. I'm eating THAT ONE.

You're lucky the elves discovered Kunark at all to begin with. If we hadn't, your entire race would never have been documented in recorded elfin history and you would effectively not exist.

[Xulia]

More of this elvish sassafrass

https://media.tenor.com/c4lu86N5OisAAAAd/jurassic-park-t-rex.gif

[Gustoo]

You're lucky the elves discovered Kunark at all to begin with. If we hadn't, your entire race would never have been documented in recorded elfin history and you would effectively not exist.

This is a good pvp role player

[Eccezan]

HEDS is the only surname a high elf should have. also lol at it taking nearly a page before someone pointed out literal 23 year old info about elf names.

yes

[defb]

#FreeApostrophe

[Raj]

Don't forget all those wyverns in Skyshrine named Fe'Dhar

Just proves how evil those dragons are to appropriate elven culture like that. :cool: