Ice Burrowers in WW

[Spaerhawk]

What's a good group makeup look like to kill these stupid worms? Figure 4-6 available players, reasonably (but nowhere near BiS) raid geared.

We're looking for cash monies in the non-traditional camps and, since EVERYONE hates these damn worms, I thought I'd see what kind of group we'd need.

Cheers.

[Toxigen]

Can't they be solo'd with snare kiting? I don't think they summon. Also not very lucrative.

Have you guys done G Wurms in Skyfire? Can be done with a lot of different group makeups but harmony and tash sticks (if no enc) help a lot.

Prot / tola / juggs...not exactly unconventional but a little more interesting than anything else Sebilis has to offer for 4-6 players.

[Ripqozko]

Can't they be solo'd with snare kiting? I don't think they summon.

yep, get an epic druid, and you can fall sleep killing these with anyone

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeah they don't summon, they run at normal speed, and they don't have high HP regeneration like the Dragons. Most classes could solo them if they spent enough time lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fsvt1xfuqY - Took an hour on my Shaman. Wouldn't recommend it, but it can be done.

The only requirement is all of your group members need some way to increase their movement speed. This is because the AoE proc also dispels. By the time you are high enough level to fight Ice Burrowers, that shouldn't be a problem in any group composition.

[Danth]

If you want to fight burrowers conventionally in melee you'll want the same type of group composition you'd have for nest dragons, then add some extra burst healing to cover for when the burrowers proc their AE several times back-to-back. You definitely don't need a full group or high-end equipment. The wife and I have Thurgadin-level (or equivalent) stuff and we've fought those plenty using various tactics.

If you weren't aware, unlike most monsters, the borrower's AE spell is in fact a melee proc--it will never activate if the burrower isn't attacking someone. That, coupled with their slow movement and lack of summon, is why most people kite them.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

If you want to fight burrowers conventionally in melee you'll want the same type of group composition you'd have for nest dragons, then add some extra burst healing to cover for when the burrowers proc their AE several times back-to-back. You definitely don't need a full group or high-end equipment. The wife and I have Thurgadin-level (or equivalent) stuff and we've fought those plenty using various tactics.

If you weren't aware, unlike most monsters, the borrower's AE spell is in fact a melee proc--it will never activate if the burrower isn't attacking someone. That, coupled with their slow movement and lack of summon, is why most people kite them.

Danth

Yeah the biggest concern with the burrowers is their AoE proc. Even with 240ish Cold Resistance I was getting hit more than half the time. You can't really out-resistance it, so I agree having heal support is nice for when they proc back-to-back.

[Jimjam]

Soloed one on a 60 ranger in about an hour and a quarter iirc. It dropped no silk nor chest. Didn't do again.

Duod a few with a druid and that was MUCH faster.

IDK how the aggro changes have affected aggro kiting these. Duoing them was like 30 mins prekite. If you have a group of 4 or 5 aggro kiting them you'll spend more time looking for /moving between burrowers and handling adds than killing them.

Good luck op, I look forward to seeing you report your progress!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Soloed one on a 60 ranger in about an hour and a quarter iirc. It dropped no silk nor chest. Didn't do again.

Duod a few with a druid and that was MUCH faster.

IDK how the aggro changes have affected aggro kiting these. Duoing them was like 30 mins prekite. If you have a group of 4 or 5 aggro kiting them you'll spend more time looking for /moving between burrowers and handling adds than killing them.

Good luck op, I look forward to seeing you report your progress!

You can just kite them on the waters edge, like I do in the video I posted above. Much easier and safer than trying to kill them in the middle of the zone.

[Jimjam]

I think with 5 people, you'd be killing them so fast you may run out of pulls near the waters edge, and have to pull them from pretty deep in to the zone. I suppose it wouldn't be too bad if puller has ToV faction and invis animals?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I think with 5 people, you'd be killing them so fast you may run out of pulls near the waters edge, and have to pull them from pretty deep in to the zone. I suppose it wouldn't be too bad if puller has ToV faction and invis animals?

That is true. If you are churning through Ice Burrowers, pulling to the waters edge may take more time. But yeah everybody would have to be Dragon factioned, or your Druid would need to be very proactive with Harmo hehe. Both methods have their tradeoffs, and it would come down to your group composition and player laziness at that point.

Water's edge is safer/easier, and faction is generally irrelevant. Group comp is less of an issue too. But pull times can slow you down.

Being in the middle of the zone is faster, but has more requirements. Ideally everybody would be Dragon factioned, and you have a Druid/Ranger for Harmony. People need to pay more attention too.

[Snaggles]

Yea they dont summon and are a pain to snare even with a druid epic.

I'd faction to dragons. Aggro kite with flame lick and get some pet classes who can movement speed buff their pets (ideally who backstab). Chasing those things with a PC sucks.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yea they dont summon and are a pain to snare even with a druid epic.

I'd faction to dragons. Aggro kite with flame lick and get some pet classes who can movement speed buff their pets (ideally who backstab). Chasing those things with a PC sucks.

One of the biggest benefits of pulling to the waters edge is you don't need to snare. You can just safely run them back and forth across the zone. They are big enough to where it isn't too hard to hit them. A snaring class isn't strictly required, you just need your whole group to have movement speed buffs, ideally SoW pots or Jboots so they can re-apply them if the AoE drops it.

[Jimjam]

Honestly it doesn’t take that long to cast ensnare the 20 times required to get it to land. Just extra aggro to keep the iceburrower interested in the kiter imo.

[Foxplay]

Have not tried it after the aggro changes so it may have changed some but typically just Glamour of tunare an animal (rhino / wooly) tash the burrower run around casting ensnare on it until it finally lands, then cast glamour and firelick every so often to hold aggro off your pet while kiting it.... and the ability to not fall asleep doing this for the next 8+ minutes for most likely nothing

[Snaggles]

One of the biggest benefits of pulling to the waters edge is you don't need to snare. You can just safely run them back and forth across the zone. They are big enough to where it isn't too hard to hit them. A snaring class isn't strictly required, you just need your whole group to have movement speed buffs, ideally SoW pots or Jboots so they can re-apply them if the AoE drops it.

Yep never said it was needed.

If the Druid or ranger aggro kiting wants to mix in ensnare with flame lick they might get lucky and all the better. After a dozen or so flame licks the worm shouldn’t be turning on the pets to aoe. If faction’ed you just have to worry about other worms and wolves.

Worst case it kills a pet. Summon another, haste and speed. Back to it.

[Pootle]

Druid to snare and firefist? whatever that low level agro nuke is.. then kite.

Then some DPS.

I used to solo them a lot for the silk with a charmed wolf or mammoth/rhino.

Gave away a load of them Monk BPs too.

[plzrelax]

I usually pull them to the dragon necropolis entrance. Not many mobs path around that canyon. Druid tracking is also quite nice for quick pulls

[Sarleon8503]

I have done solo with a necro where I aggro kite. Also did this with a Necro and 2 monks. The 2 monks was really fast killing - and YES! Pull to the DN scar for the safest kills.
Just make sure you have either SoW or JBoots if you don't have a druid to epic snare.

[thebutthat]

I have done solo with a necro where I aggro kite. Also did this with a Necro and 2 monks. The 2 monks was really fast killing - and YES! Pull to the DN scar for the safest kills.
Just make sure you have either SoW or JBoots if you don't have a druid to epic snare.

Same, spam cast the level 12 snare until it sticks. Spam the lvl 1 disease dot til it sticks to build aggro, let pet widdle it down while you keep spamming the snare/dot to maintain aggro. May end up having to recast pet a few times if aggro drops. Takes about 45 minutes and the money isn't great. But its cool to do a few times.

[Tethler]

Have not tried it after the aggro changes so it may have changed some but typically just Glamour of tunare an animal (rhino / wooly) tash the burrower run around casting ensnare on it until it finally lands, then cast glamour and firelick every so often to hold aggro off your pet while kiting it.... and the ability to not fall asleep doing this for the next 8+ minutes for most likely nothing

This was my experience too. Did it at 57 pre-epic. Farmed like 10-12 or so to get the monk chest for my brother and bailed. Super boring and the silks aren't super common (got like 3 from the 12ish I killed)

[Toxigen]

They simply aren't worth killing, imo.

Go do G Wurms or Juggs.

[sandstorm6564]

What up spaerhawk. This is Lasstlin. I can help you with killing these wurms. I’ve done it often in the past. Really really boring. I just continue to cast flame lick over and over. I’ll have you and my pet beat on the back of it while I do it. The loot isn’t really that good. But hmu in game.

[Spaerhawk]

Nice, thanks, Lass. I'm not looking to farm these necessarily. I certainly don't need the silks for my own tailoring. I'm just looking for not-the-usual plat making ideas.

Yes, I can camp any of the normal high-plat camps, but that's boring AF, even with friends. Looking to do something different.

Cheers.

[thebutthat]

Nice, thanks, Lass. I'm not looking to farm these necessarily. I certainly don't need the silks for my own tailoring. I'm just looking for not-the-usual plat making ideas.

Yes, I can camp any of the normal high-plat camps, but that's boring AF, even with friends. Looking to do something different.

Cheers.

Could always take your group into DN and farm the rats for armor gems and exquisite velium weapons if people still buy those. Not a popular destination since its not an enchanter/shaman solo camp. Little different.