Archery bonus Incorrectly Using Mainhand Primary

[Awsten_Tx]

I posted this in Velious Beta but not sure if it belongs there.

I am not sure its readily known, but archery calculates its damage bonus off whatever weapon is in your primary weapon slot. If it is a 1 hander, bonus is according to 1 hander bonus, and if its a 2 hander, its based on the delay of 2 handers. Thus it is advantageous for rangers to use Earthshaker as a slow 2 hander while using a bow.

I do not remember this being the function on live and it took me some digging but I finally found the below patch notes.

Per patch notes dating January 17, 2001:

- The ranger's "Trueshot" discipline has had its damage increased after
analyzing data from its fix last week. Prior to the last patch, all
bows, while under the discipline, were hitting as if they were 45dmg
bows regardless of the delay. Last week's patch fixed it so that damage
was based on the damage of the bow. This weeks patch increases damage
bonuses in relation to delay (longer delays yield better damage
bonuses).

Trueshot does modify based on the damage of the bow, however this specific note talks about adjustment of the damage Bonus Bows recieve, thus indicating Trueshot should be doubling the damage bonus from archery.

Right now niether the Trueshot, nor the range, stationary non rooted target modifies damage bonus. I suspect because the bug causing the damage bonus to be calculated off primary hand is hitting the equation as a melee damage and not archery damage. This would cause the formula to not double any bonus damage.

This is a signifcant performance nerf bug for rangers as the 2x damage and ultimately Trueshot 2x damage are major contributors to archery dps, however we see no bonus damage modifers in the current state.

[Jimjam]

No one remembers bows exploiting primary slot damage bonus. That said, I'm not sure whether 'damage bonuses' there is in reference to the same thing as what is usually meant by damage bonus.

[Awsten_Tx]

I believe Bows are likely supposed to be on the same 2 hand bonus table as melee 2 handers. I believe this patch note specifically addresses putting bows on a similar function of 2 hand delay bonus.

Previously, September 19, 2000 they released this portion of a patch that adjusted 2 hander deley bonus;

In accordance with our announcement several weeks ago, two low-delay weapons can now only be equipped in the off-hand. Included in this change are the Mosscovered Twig and the Barbed Scale Whip. The delay on these weapons and the associated damage bonus to weapons in the primary hand made these weapons much too powerful for their availability and the risk associated with their acquisition.

In addition, two-handed weapons have had their damage-bonus modified. The damage-bonus for low-delay two-handed weapons (27 or below) created a problem similar to the weapons above and has been reduced. The damage-bonus has not changed for normal-delay (28-39) two-handed weapons. The damage bonus for high-delay two-handed weapons (40+) has been increased.

And finally on April 19, 2000 they released this patch note adjusting the 2 handers to perform better bonuses than 1 handers;

As part of the emergency update completed last night, a change was implemented that increases the amount of damage done by someone wielding a 2 handed weapon.

This change was made due to a statistical imbalance in the way that damage is calculated at the mid-to-upper levels. A person wielding a one-handed weapon of a given ratio was able to do more damage than when wielding a two-handed weapon of the same ratio.

We would like to stress that no change has been made to the amount of damage done by people wielding one-handed weapons. The net result of this change is that people choosing to wield two-handed weapons will now do more damage than they did before.

[Jimjam]

I wonder if this is linked to the bug that to other players your weapon is still displayed as your primary/secondary while shooting a bow and arrow...

[Awsten_Tx]

I wonder if this is linked to the bug that to other players your weapon is still displayed as your primary/secondary while shooting a bow and arrow...

I am gonna do some testing, but I am starting to think, archery actually uses the damage of the mainhand as well. I dont notice any difference in damage switching between priceless and war bow...

[baakss]

Bow proc rate is also affected by main hand delay. Likely caused by the same bug.

[Tomacco]

We've been struggling with this problem on red for years - Ambrogio asked us to compile some information. I thought I would post it here since this is the same bug.

Here is a video demonstrating that archery bonus damage comes from the delay of the main hand weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ1iw6lOJ-8

The warrior testing here has a Weighted Axe and Bow of The Huntsman equipped.

This is obviously not how archery should be calculated - there is a flat 100 unmitigated bonus damage on each hit.
Using a fast bow and vendor junk mainhand produces vastly more DPS than end game "Best in Slot" equipment.

[Awsten_Tx]

I have been scowering the web for old parses of damage, it seems bows your have their own damage bonus just like 2 handers.

[Solist]

Does this apply to throwing?

Why no shuriken of the tranquil+shovel of the harvest Test of Tactics sillyness if so :/

[Awsten_Tx]

Believe tranquils were banned from ToT...

[Tomacco]

It does not seem to apply to throwing. It’s been tested with shurikens and throwing boulders on red.

[PabloEdvardo]

I wonder if this is linked to the bug that to other players your weapon is still displayed as your primary/secondary while shooting a bow and arrow...

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, I suspect it's just a client/server sync issue and not a bug because it still happens on Live, as well. It's not limited to bow, either. When you attack with bow it doesn't automatically switch to showing bow as the visible weapon, nor send an update packet from the server to other clients to reflect a weapon change. If you equip/unequip the bow then it will update for everyone because it forces the update packet.

You can easily test this on any character already by just re-equipping your range item and then autoattacking something in melee. You'll be autoattacking while holding your range item. Same concept in reverse.

[Jimjam]

From what I’ve tested by quizzing other players for what they see… Equipping the bow doesn’t even display it to other players.

[nilbog]

I’m currently looking into this to identify possible causes.

Are there any in-era logs, forum posts, screenshots, or other references showing players using a known bow that I could use as a baseline for damage comparison in testing?

[nilbog]

I found the source of the issue. Before implementing a fix, I need to better understand what the expected bow damage should be.

For example, if you remove your melee weapons (placing them in inventory) and then fire a ranged weapon, does the resulting damage look correct?

Additionally, I'd like to understand what ranger damage should look like normally, and with their discipline.

[Tomacco]

There isn't a lot of in-era data about bow damage, I think likely because bows weren't very useful (better for rangers, but not great) until Luclin bow buffs.

Here is a post that talks about 70-80 damage with a bow of the huntsman, and crits for 140 - https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4083#m97715029532147

Not a lot of context but seems to be a Ranger vs stationary mobs ("really could only do it against the giants...") Currently on p99 a ranger with an earthshaker can hit significantly harder than that, a warrior with a weighted axe has a *minimum* hit of over 100 damage.

It sounds like you agree that this is a bug, but I would consider this further evidence "20/30 with proc spirit strike. Which is STILL Better than Windsaber" (same post) - Windsaber is a superior bow on P99 because of this bug.

The patch notes referenced earlier in this thread imply that bows have their own bonus damage, but it's not clear if that's ranger only: https://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2001-1.html

"The ranger's "Trueshot" discipline has had its damage increased after
analyzing data from its fix last week. Prior to the last patch, all
bows, while under the discipline, were hitting as if they were 45dmg
bows regardless of the delay. Last week's patch fixed it so that damage
was based on the damage of the bow. This weeks patch increases damage
bonuses in relation to delay (longer delays yield better damage
bonuses)."

It's pretty obvious that the context is bow delay, not main hand weapon delay.

I'll try to find more in-era damage context, it's pretty spares though.

I would say that removing main hand weapon makes the bow damage feel more appropriate.
Rangers should definitely have the upper hand where archery is concerned, but I think the stationary double damage and critical hits were the only classic implementations of that.

[Delfofthebla]

Rangers bout to be a lot less fun to play. Great work making things less interesting as always team. Keep up the "good" work.

[Awsten_Tx]

I found the source of the issue. Before implementing a fix, I need to better understand what the expected bow damage should be.

For example, if you remove your melee weapons (placing them in inventory) and then fire a ranged weapon, does the resulting damage look correct?

Additionally, I'd like to understand what ranger damage should look like normally, and with their discipline.

Nilbog,

First, THANK YOU!

the base damage of the weapons appears to be correct.

However the bonus damage, AND proc rate formula, pulls from the main hand delay. This gives significant inappropriate advantage to large races wielding a weighted axe in their main hand.

I will go find all my research and repost here for your review.

[CrazyPro]

It ain't much but I found this: https://web.archive.org/web/20001018074531/http://www.everlore.com/guides.asp?ID=82328

Us rangers get critical hit in archery. To recognize how valuable this is, i'll set an example . At lvl 9 , i was able to score 32 damage all the time with my high archery skill with a rough elm bow. better than what a halberd hits. > )

---

Brad McQuaid didn't seem to like the idea of archery being good. https://web.archive.org/web/20010304011722/http://www.everlore.com/news/Bradlog4-5_1.asp

<Uhgs> Aradune, there are so many people asking for Archery to be a viable primary attack...can't you find any way to make it balanced but primary? They would all LOVE it....
<Aradune> uhgs: no, i really don't want to make archery a primary combat skill, sorry

<Elderan> Aradune: NO one is asking for archery to be a pri combat skill, just as an ADDED skill for rangers while combat, IE combat archery
<Aradune> elderan: to make it viable for what you guys want, it would be a primary combat skill
<Aradune> and then it would be used instead of melee
<Aradune> and then EQ wouldn't be EQ

[kingcowboy]

Crit damage seems to be off

Please take a look at this thread. I've never had a crit this high even while main handing earthshaker

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=423813

[CrazyPro]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010824112638/http://eqdb.allakhazam.com/item.html?item=4083


RE: rangers By: Nitrouz,
2 posts
Posted @ Thu, Mar 8th 3:39 PM 2001 Score: Decent[3.00]
you are very wrong. i use summoned arrows from my tolans bracer, and those are only 3 damage. i have gotten crits up to 144

this also takes into account the double-damage factor when still and not rooted... i have crit for over 100 when no double-damage was added.

AND....i use a wind saber...13/22...ONLY 13 dmg.
thats a total of 16 damage making up to 144 crit. NOW...can u imagine what i could crit with THIS?!?!? MUAHAHAHA


Nice bow By: Methlar,
1 posts
Posted @ Tue, Aug 7th 7:32 AM 2001 Score: Decent[3.00]
Got it tonigt but can't remember what type of rat it was (not like you have a choice in choosing which ones to fight LOL). Used one disc on it before we left, using 6dmg arrows. Highest crit I got (hit for double damage) was 402, so hit it for 804 total. My guess is you can get into the 600s and 700s with disc for single shot(have seen other rangers do it).

[Baugi]

I’m currently looking into this to identify possible causes.

Are there any in-era logs, forum posts, screenshots, or other references showing players using a known bow that I could use as a baseline for damage comparison in testing?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3736844&postcount=9
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3736953&postcount=10

[Ruthbader]

Thank you old friend!

Please disregard Tomacco Nilbog, and focus on Baugi's esteemed works.

[Swish]

Rangers bout to be a lot less fun to play. Great work making things less interesting as always team. Keep up the "good" work.

https://i.imgur.com/GyaUGaT.gif

[Baugi]

Thank you old friend!

Hope you're doing well.

Logs are courtesy of the folks over at TAKP though (I think originally Kicnlag?).

[Ruthbader]

Don't be modest sir, I see you digging out extra context.

[Awsten_Tx]

From language of the patch notes, bows should have a bonus, that bonus may get doubled for stationary targets and further bonused when trueshot active.

This is likely how the fabled 1k plus velious era bowshot occurred.

[Ennewi]

https://dbsanfte.github.io/eq-archives/newsgroups/alt.games.everquest-msg-74548.txt

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"R. Jarett Kulm" <jarettkulm@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4EbY7.219$am4.460051@bcandid.telisphere.com.. .
> Before SOL, all was great. Buffed or Boon'd (avg 200str & 200-210 dex) I
> could crit for 650-800 with /disc trueshot on doublke damage hits. I
would
> average 230-380 on normal double damage crit hits. This is with a 30/39
> 110 range velium recurve.
>
> Currently, post SOL, I am lucky to hit 650 asa max crit, and 120-240
double
> damage shots. with the /disc. I am also seeing ALOT of hits that dont
sdo
> more than the bow would do unbuffed or no /disc.
>
> Any other rangers seeing lowered damage output with their bows since SOL?
> Seems like a stealth nerf to me.

And it couldn't POSSIBLY be simply a BUG...no, it's impossible, 'cause they
ARE out to screw YOU.

/Bug it, moron.

[nilbog]

Still working through this.


Non-ranger bow damage is looking much better - it is essentially the same as the Nina logs previously posted using the same level, weapon, stats and npc targets.

There is something wrong with ranger archery damage though. For example, in a brief test, double damage targets seem to take less damage than moving targets. It also seems that Trueshot 'works' for non-double hits but not for double-damage hits.

I don't want to apply a general fix for archery without considering rangers. So, more testing to do.

If there are any ranger logs, of non-Trueshot damage, that would help.

[snipehunt]

A consideration as well, how do rooted dragons come into play with damage since it negates the thanked aspect?

[CrazyPro]

Since we're on the subject of fixing bows, it should also probably be mentioned that bows are incorrectly using STR instead of DEX to determine their damage on P99 currently.

[CrazyPro]

A consideration as well, how do rooted dragons come into play with damage since it negates the thanked aspect?

Right now on P99 I'm pretty sure rooted dragons don't trigger the stationary double damage bonus, which really sucks.

[Ennewi]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010713205119/http://forums.castersrealm.com/cgi-bin/eq/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=reply&f=284&t=000011&replyto=000012


Sumner All I gotta show you is this he had it posted on the New Wizard spell fourm...
Person that posted this is named:

Bankhul Axehand


This is from a log by a ranger from the guild Keepers of the Faith on Prexus....he did this damage with a Primal Bow and Trueshot Disc....(by the way..this gets long...sorry...)
Rangers, Primal Bows and Trueshot
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Tue May 29 18:58:55 2001] Deleroache's bow crackles with natural energy.
[Tue May 29 18:58:56 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:58:56 2001] You hit Trike for 392 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:58:58 2001] The predators spirit departs.
[Tue May 29 18:58:58 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:58:58 2001] You hit Trike for 168 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:00 2001] Louie says, '!'
[Tue May 29 18:59:01 2001] You try to hit Trike, but miss!
[Tue May 29 18:59:01 2001] Awulfie says, 'OMFG'
[Tue May 29 18:59:03 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:03 2001] You hit Trike for 64 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:04 2001] Fredd pokes Paya.
[Tue May 29 18:59:05 2001] Jardar says, '?'
[Tue May 29 18:59:05 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:05 2001] Deleroache Scores a critical hit!(729)
[Tue May 29 18:59:05 2001] You hit Trike for 729 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:06 2001] Sufu says, '392'
[Tue May 29 18:59:07 2001] Your body screams with the power of an Avatar.
[Tue May 29 18:59:08 2001] You try to hit Trike, but Trike dodges!
[Tue May 29 18:59:09 2001] Taking a screenshot...
[Tue May 29 18:59:11 2001] Sufu says, 'wtf??/'
[Tue May 29 18:59:11 2001] Shenjairo says, 'rofl'
[Tue May 29 18:59:11 2001] Awulfie says, 'JESUS'
[Tue May 29 18:59:11 2001] Sufu laughs at Trike.
[Tue May 29 18:59:12 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:12 2001] You hit Trike for 216 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:13 2001] Jardar says, 'GAH'
[Tue May 29 18:59:14 2001] Eilin says, 'hehehe'
[Tue May 29 18:59:14 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:14 2001] You hit Trike for 208 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:14 2001] Louie says, 'omg'
[Tue May 29 18:59:15 2001] Olias says, '729!'
[Tue May 29 18:59:17 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:17 2001] You hit Trike for 400 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:19 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:19 2001] Trike goes into a berserker frenzy!
[Tue May 29 18:59:19 2001] You hit Trike for 460 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:21 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:21 2001] You hit Trike for 180 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:24 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:24 2001] You hit Trike for 220 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:26 2001] Your body screams with the power of an Avatar.
[Tue May 29 18:59:26 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:26 2001] You hit Trike for 484 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:28 2001] Your skin returns to normal.
[Tue May 29 18:59:29 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:29 2001] You hit Trike for 260 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:30 2001] Codd says, 'aww man potg hating wizys'
[Tue May 29 18:59:31 2001] You try to hit Trike, but miss!
[Tue May 29 18:59:33 2001] You try to hit Trike, but miss!
[Tue May 29 18:59:36 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:36 2001] You hit Trike for 236 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:37 2001] Sufu laughs.
[Tue May 29 18:59:38 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:38 2001] Deleroache Scores a critical hit!(151)
[Tue May 29 18:59:38 2001] You hit Trike for 151 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:41 2001] You try to hit Trike, but miss!
[Tue May 29 18:59:43 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:43 2001] You hit Trike for 144 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:46 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:46 2001] You hit Trike for 160 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:46 2001] Trike is no longer berserk.
[Tue May 29 18:59:48 2001] You try to hit Trike, but miss!
[Tue May 29 18:59:50 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:50 2001] You hit Trike for 356 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:52 2001] Maelios says, 'stop getting owned Trike'
[Tue May 29 18:59:53 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:53 2001] You hit Trike for 400 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:54 2001] Codd snickers softly at Kriddle.
[Tue May 29 18:59:55 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:55 2001] You hit Trike for 276 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 18:59:57 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 18:59:58 2001] You hit Trike for 212 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:00 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:00 2001] You hit Trike for 180 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:00 2001] Sufu says, 'how long doess that dissc lasst?'
[Tue May 29 19:00:01 2001] Louie says, 'jesus christ'
[Tue May 29 19:00:02 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:02 2001] You hit Trike for 360 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:04 2001] You say, '2 mins'
[Tue May 29 19:00:05 2001] You begin casting Captain Nalots Quickening.
[Tue May 29 19:00:05 2001] Your Eyepatch of Plunder begins to glow.
[Tue May 29 19:00:05 2001] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue May 29 19:00:07 2001] Sufu says, 'woah'
[Tue May 29 19:00:07 2001] Louie says, 'wow'
[Tue May 29 19:00:08 2001] You are filled by the spirit of water.
[Tue May 29 19:00:13 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:13 2001] Trike goes into a berserker frenzy!
[Tue May 29 19:00:13 2001] You hit Trike for 360 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:15 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:15 2001] You hit Trike for 324 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:17 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:17 2001] You hit Trike for 480 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:20 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:20 2001] You hit Trike for 268 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:20 2001] Sufu says, 'why be a druid?'
[Tue May 29 19:00:20 2001] Kriddle says out of character, 'sorry all was afk getting dinner'
[Tue May 29 19:00:21 2001] Alej begins to cast a spell.
[Tue May 29 19:00:22 2001] You try to hit Trike, but miss!
[Tue May 29 19:00:22 2001] Kiersten tells the group, 'you're gonna own yeli w/ that thing Dele. hehe.'
[Tue May 29 19:00:23 2001] Rashy waves goodbye to Trike.
[Tue May 29 19:00:23 2001] Maelios waves goodbye to Trike.
[Tue May 29 19:00:25 2001] You try to hit Trike, but miss!
[Tue May 29 19:00:25 2001] Trike says, 'wait'
[Tue May 29 19:00:27 2001] You say, 'k'
[Tue May 29 19:00:28 2001] Sufu says, 'when you can kite for 2 mins!'
[Tue May 29 19:00:29 2001] Trike is no longer berserk.
[Tue May 29 19:00:29 2001] You tell your party, 'yah'
[Tue May 29 19:00:29 2001] Alej says, 'ch inc'
[Tue May 29 19:00:31 2001] Sufu says, 'hee hee'
[Tue May 29 19:00:31 2001] Trike is completely healed.
[Tue May 29 19:00:33 2001] Trike says, 'ok'
[Tue May 29 19:00:34 2001] Derdekea says, 'bye blye'
[Tue May 29 19:00:36 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:36 2001] You hit Trike for 324 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:38 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:38 2001] You hit Trike for 240 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:40 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:40 2001] You hit Trike for 484 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:43 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:43 2001] You hit Trike for 336 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:45 2001] Alej says, 'gd'
[Tue May 29 19:00:45 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:45 2001] You hit Trike for 180 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:46 2001] Louie says, 'i "almost" wanna be a ranger'
[Tue May 29 19:00:48 2001] You try to hit Trike, but Trike dodges!
[Tue May 29 19:00:50 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:50 2001] You hit Trike for 300 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:52 2001] You try to hit Trike, but miss!
[Tue May 29 19:00:53 2001] Sufu chuckles.
[Tue May 29 19:00:53 2001] Snarfo says, 'lol'
[Tue May 29 19:00:54 2001] Kiersten laughs at Louie.
[Tue May 29 19:00:55 2001] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Tue May 29 19:00:55 2001] You hit Trike for 64 points of damage.
[Tue May 29 19:00:57 2001] You try to hit Trike, but miss!
[Tue May 29 19:00:58 2001] You lose the concentration to remain in your fighting discipline.

Stalkyr Trushot YeeeeeHaaaaw !!!
THAT'S what I'm talkin about. Now if it only:

1) Lasted 5 Mins instead of 2.
2) Reset more often than every 72 mins.
3) Was available in a lower (less dmg) discipline in pre 50+ lvls.

You ought to see the stats on the ranger quest bow from Plane of Sky. It's this good but True Shot discipline is NOT required.

Of course, you have to first take down the Noble Dojorn for the Efreeti War bow. It's a trade in item for the quest bow

I LOVE bein a ranger

The following thread contains a link to logs for a ranger using primal bow, but that link has so far proven to be inaccessible, despite trying a few workarounds. Perhaps someone else will have better luck. That said, it's most likely the same logs from above, with the ranger being Deleroach and the max crit mentioned being 729.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010901031229/http://pub14.ezboard.com/fthesteelwarriorthebunker.showAddReplyScreenFromWe b?topicID=496.topic

Tenakha
is a Formidable Opponent
Posts: 160
(5/30/01 8:01:43 am)
Re: Now thats a bow.
Its pretty good with trueshot actually...procs avatar too which is just funny. :)
Gorlab 60 Warlord
Tenakha 52 Druid
Keepers of the Faith

Tenakha
is a Formidable Opponent
Posts: 162
(5/30/01 1:13:02 pm)
Re: Now thats a bow.
pub13.ezboard.com/fprexus...9641.topic

Here's a log of damage that Dele did with the bow he got the other day. :)
Gorlab 60 Warlord
Tenakha 52 Druid
Keepers of the Faith

Mintzy Fresch
knows that Warriors are Superior
Posts: 2
(5/30/01 1:42:45 pm)

Re: Now thats a bow.
Regarding that log...

Someone hold me.

-Mintzy Fresch,
Rallos Zek

Shikarii Apoccalypse
is a Seasoned Veteran
Posts: 201
(5/30/01 3:26:28 pm)
Re: Now thats a bow.
[Tue May 29 18:59:05 2001] Deleroache Scores a critical hit!(729)

holy sh*t

Reins Blood
knows that Warriors are Superior
Posts: 7
(5/30/01 5:25:26 pm)
Re: Now thats a bow.
A crit fer 729 with a bow! WOW! Thinks about his crippling blow for 241 and lowers head in shame while mumbling something about sissy rangers...

wonder wut his str is?

What kind of DMG would a warrior wit maxed out str would do wit a bow like this?
Edited by: Reins Blood at: 5/30/01 5:29:35 pm

Mintzy Fresch
knows that Warriors are Superior
Posts: 3
(5/30/01 10:46:51 pm)

Re: Now thats a bow.
That ranger was using Trueshot, so I doubt even we could match his critical... at least I assume. Gives you reason to finally give rangers a little respect, eh? Well, look on the bright side, it's only 1% of the entirety of the class, I can spare that much respect. Heh.

-Mintzy Fresch,
Rallos Zek

Ashura Lightblade
knows that Warriors are Superior
Posts: 3
(5/31/01 11:58:12 am)
Re: omg
Here is the information on Trueshot taken from EQ Casters:

THE DISCIPLINE OF TRUESHOT
Class: Ranger
Level obtained: 55
Duration: 2 minutes.
Re-Use Delay: 72 minutes.
Re-Use Delay at Level 60: 67 minutes.

Discipline Description:
This discipline delivers up to two times the max bow damage with an increased hit probability.

This discipline lasts for 2 minutes, and has a base reuse time of 72 minutes.

This discipline will only be available if you have purchased and registered the Velious expansion.

[Awsten_Tx]

Still working through this.


Non-ranger bow damage is looking much better - it is essentially the same as the Nina logs previously posted using the same level, weapon, stats and npc targets.

There is something wrong with ranger archery damage though. For example, in a brief test, double damage targets seem to take less damage than moving targets. It also seems that Trueshot 'works' for non-double hits but not for double-damage hits.

I don't want to apply a general fix for archery without considering rangers. So, more testing to do.

If there are any ranger logs, of non-Trueshot damage, that would help.

When you say ranger logs, do you need in game p99 testing or in era historical context?

[nilbog]

When you say ranger logs, do you need in game p99 testing or in era historical context?

In-era ranger archery damage, without Trueshot discipline active.

[The Grey Witch]

Additional related bow issue, may be easy to cross off.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211541&page=5

[Rygar]

In-era ranger archery damage, without Trueshot discipline active.

Best I can do are some months out of era. I have additional logs of trueshot if you want that.

Both folks in links are below level 55 so they weren't using discipline

I went ahead and turned on my log last night to show what is pretty much the norm for me, I was using Blessed Faydark Thunderbolt, Tolans summoned Arrows, and a Jeweled Quiver of the Hand, btw this is the last time I cut from a log, too many dates to have to cut out.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020901012200/http://pub59.ezboard.com/feqrangers65329frm3.showPrevMessage?topicID=260.to pic


Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 2 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 2 points of damage.
[froglok bok shaman's casting is interrupted!

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 52 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 52 points of damage.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 2 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 2 points of damage.
froglok bok shaman begins to cast a spell.
froglok bok shaman's casting is interrupted!

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 26 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 26 points of damage.
Your spell fizzles!

Your bow shot did double dmg.
Jolea Scores a critical hit!(188)
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 188 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 21 05:13:30 2002] You hit froglok bok shaman for 188 points of damage.
You begin casting Ensnare.

You haven't recovered yet...
Froglok bok shaman has been ensnared.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 66 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 66 points of damage.
froglok bok shaman begins to cast a spell.
froglok bok shaman regains concentration and continues casting.
Eribdous screams in pain.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 36 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 36 points of damage.
froglok bok shaman begins to cast a spell.
froglok jin shaman begins to cast a spell.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 16 points of damage.
[ You hit froglok bok shaman for 16 points of damage.
froglok bok shaman regains concentration and continues casting.
Eribdous has been poisoned.
Groar says, 'nice bow crit'
froglok jin shaman begins to cast a spell.
froglok bok shaman begins to cast a spell.
You say, 'heh highest so far is 247'
froglok bok shaman's casting is interrupted!

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 66 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 66 points of damage.
froglok bok shaman begins to cast a spell.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 6 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 6 points of damage.
froglok jin shaman begins to cast a spell.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 4 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 4 points of damage.
Groar Scores a critical hit!(50)
Groar Scores a critical hit!(57)
Groar says, 'cool'

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 36 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 36 points of damage.
froglok jin shaman begins to cast a spell.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 52 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 52 points of damage.
Eribdous Scores a critical hit!(36)
froglok jin shaman regains concentration and continues casting.
froglok jin shaman begins to cast a spell.
froglok bok shaman begins to cast a spell.
Eribdous Scores a critical hit!(52)
You say, 'yeah I cant wait for trueshot'
froglok jin shaman regains concentration and continues casting.
Eribdous staggers as spirits of frost slam against them.
froglok bok shaman begins to cast a spell.
Froglok bok shaman is blasted by a gust of bitter cold.
froglok bok shaman regains concentration and continues casting.
Eribdous staggers as spirits of frost slam against them.
froglok bok shaman begins to cast a spell.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 40 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 40 points of damage.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 14 points of damage.
froglok bok shaman's casting is interrupted!

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 86 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 86 points of damage.
froglok bok shaman begins to cast a spell.
froglok jin shaman begins to cast a spell.
Groar says, 'lol i`ll bet'
Froglok bok shaman is blasted by a gust of bitter cold.
Falon begins to cast a spell.
Falon says, 'casting Complete heal on Eribdous (10secs.)'

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 46 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 46 points of damage.
froglok bok shaman regains concentration and continues casting.
Eribdous feels dispelled.
froglok bok shaman begins to cast the gate spell.
froglok bok shaman begins to cast a spell.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok shaman was hit by non-melee for 62 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok shaman for 62 points of damage.
froglok jin shaman begins to cast a spell.
froglok bok shaman regains concentration and continues casting.
froglok bok shaman Gates.
Eribdous is completely healed. Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok dar knight was hit by non-melee for 88 points of damage.
You hit froglok dar knight for 88 points of damage.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok dar knight was hit by non-melee for 6 points of damage.
You hit froglok dar knight for 6 points of damage.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
Jolea Scores a critical hit!(83)
froglok dar knight was hit by non-melee for 83 points of damage.
You hit froglok dar knight for 83 points of damage.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
Jolea Scores a critical hit!(73)
froglok dar knight was hit by non-melee for 73 points of damage.
You hit froglok dar knight for 73 points of damage.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok dar knight was hit by non-melee for 16 points of damage.
You hit froglok dar knight for 16 points of damage.
Froglok bok wizard succumbs to the lure of lightning.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok dar knight was hit by non-melee for 66 points of damage.
You hit froglok dar knight for 66 points of damage.
froglok bok wizard begins to cast a spell.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok dar knight was hit by non-melee for 66 points of damage.
You hit froglok dar knight for 66 points of damage.
Falon begins to cast a spell.
Falon says, 'casting Complete heal on Groar (10secs.)'

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok dar knight was hit by non-melee for 20 points of damage.
You hit froglok dar knight for 20 points of damage.
Groar Scores a critical hit!(56)
Groar Scores a critical hit!(105)
Froglok dar knight has been ensnared.
Groar is completely healed.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
Jolea Scores a critical hit!(147)
froglok dar knight was hit by non-melee for 147 points of damage.
You hit froglok dar knight for 147 points of damage.
You have slain froglok dar knight!
Your faction standing with Trakanon got worse.
Your faction standing with Legion Of Cabilis got better.
Falon begins to cast a spell.
Falon says, 'casting Complete heal on Eribdous (10secs.)'
You begin casting Ensnare.
Cinergy begins to cast a spell.
Your spell is interrupted.
You begin casting Jolt.
Your target resisted the Jolt spell.
Cinergy begins to cast a spell.
froglok bok wizard scowls at you, ready to attack -- it appears to be quite formidable.
You begin casting Ensnare.
Your target resisted the Ensnare spell.
Cinergy says out of character, '60 wizard LFG'

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok wizard was hit by non-melee for 2 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok wizard for 2 points of damage.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
Jolea Scores a critical hit!(64)
froglok bok wizard was hit by non-melee for 64 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok wizard for 64 points of damage.
Your spell fizzles!
You begin casting Ensnare.
Froglok bok wizard has been ensnared.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok wizard was hit by non-melee for 44 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok wizard for 44 points of damage.
Froglok bok wizard is blasted by a gust of bitter cold.
Cinergy says out of character, '60 wizard LFG'

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok wizard was hit by non-melee for 66 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok wizard for 66 points of damage.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok wizard was hit by non-melee for 50 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok wizard for 50 points of damage.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok wizard was hit by non-melee for 4 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok wizard for 4 points of damage.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
Jolea Scores a critical hit!(107)
froglok bok wizard was hit by non-melee for 107 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok wizard for 107 points of damage.
Froglok bok wizard is blasted by a gust of bitter cold.

Your bow shot did double dmg.
froglok bok wizard was hit by non-melee for 44 points of damage.
You hit froglok bok wizard for 44 points of damage.
Your faction standing with Trakanon got worse.
Your faction standing with Legion Of Cabilis got better.

edit forgot to sign it heh

Jolea 52 Pathfinder
Emarr

[Rygar]

https://web.archive.org/web/20020107110718/http://pub79.ezboard.com/finfinitusvindicatfrm7.showMessage?topicID=11.topi c

A Ranger and his Bow
During the Talendor Battle the other day, I attacked with only my bow

I landed 19 times before i was summarily summoned and killed.

I fired arrows at a rate of one arrow every 2 seconds
I did a total of 498 points of damage

for an average of 26.21 points per hit

Compared to Lord dropsphatlewt

in a period of 40 seconds, i hit 35 times for a total of 428 damage.

thats 12.22 damage per hit average
Dandaelus Wyldheart
54th Pathfinder
Infinitus Vindicat

[Rygar]

Here's one of the longer trueshot logs. There was a period in early/mid 2002 where archery was super broke. Going too high caused archery to function with infinite range and zero delay. So rangers were posting lots of logs, but haven't found many without trueshot used. Will stay on the hunt

https://web.archive.org/web/20050313040957/http://forums.interealms.com/ranger/archive/index.php?t-2741.html

Here's a log I got of the NOW NERFED archery bug. Its about 2 minutes worth-- I don't have any of our AA archery skills and was using tolan's summoned arrows (1080 of them) and a bow of the underfoot.


[Wed May 08 22:58:37 2002] Lasalle's bow crackles with natural energy.
[Wed May 08 22:58:37 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:37 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:37 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:38 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:58:38 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:38 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:38 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:38 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:38 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:38 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:39 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:39 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:39 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:39 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:39 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:39 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:39 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:40 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:58:40 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:40 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:40 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:40 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:40 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 122 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:40 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:40 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 134 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:41 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 174 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:41 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 190 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:42 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:58:42 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 192 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:42 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 126 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:42 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 142 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:42 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 82 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:43 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 88 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:43 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 66 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:43 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 144 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:43 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 82 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:44 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:58:44 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:44 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:45 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:45 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:45 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:45 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:45 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:45 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:46 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:58:46 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:46 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:46 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:46 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:46 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:46 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:47 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:47 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:47 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:47 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:47 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 164 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:47 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:47 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 160 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:47 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 28 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:47 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 86 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 106 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 114 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 108 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:48 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:49 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:49 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 84 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:49 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 146 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:49 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:49 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 52 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:49 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:49 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:49 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:49 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 90 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:49 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 156 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:50 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:50 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:58:50 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:50 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 164 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:50 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:50 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:50 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:50 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 212 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:50 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:50 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 68 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:50 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:51 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:51 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:51 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:51 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 92 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:51 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:51 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:51 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 124 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:51 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:52 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 174 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:52 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:52 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:58:52 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 122 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:52 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 50 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:52 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:52 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 134 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:52 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:52 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:52 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:52 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 84 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:52 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:53 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:53 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:53 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:53 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:53 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 206 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:53 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 64 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:53 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:54 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:54 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:54 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:58:54 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:54 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 44 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:54 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:54 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:54 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 148 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:54 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:54 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 134 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:55 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:55 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 50 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:55 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 108 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:55 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:55 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:55 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:55 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:55 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 98 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:55 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 78 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:55 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 80 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:55 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:55 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 136 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:56 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:56 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:56 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:58:56 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:56 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:56 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 192 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:56 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:56 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 90 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:56 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:56 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 88 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:56 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:56 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 50 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:57 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 90 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:57 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:57 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 90 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:57 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:57 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 90 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:57 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:57 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:57 2002] Lasalle Scores a critical hit!(175)
[Wed May 08 22:58:57 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 175 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:57 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:57 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:58 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:58 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 26 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:58 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:58 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:58:58 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 82 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:58 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:58 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:58 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:58 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 96 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:58 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:58 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 160 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:59 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:59 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:59 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 134 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:59 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:59 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 32 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:59 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:58:59 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 58 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:59 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 50 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:58:59 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:00 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:00 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 126 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:00 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:00 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:59:00 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:00 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 86 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:00 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:00 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 28 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:00 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:00 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 154 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:00 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 74 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] Lasalle Scores a critical hit!(168)
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 168 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 70 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 198 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 188 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 166 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:01 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:02 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 194 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:02 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 44 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:02 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:02 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:02 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:59:02 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:02 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:02 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:02 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 146 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:02 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 92 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:02 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 168 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:02 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:03 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:03 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 154 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:03 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:03 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 46 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:03 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:03 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 44 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:03 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:03 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:03 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 90 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 90 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 152 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 178 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:04 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:05 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:05 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:05 2002] Your Target is too far above/below you.
[Wed May 08 22:59:05 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 152 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:05 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 60 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:05 2002] Lasalle Scores a critical hit!(154)
[Wed May 08 22:59:05 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 154 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:06 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 158 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:06 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 90 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:06 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 90 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:06 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:59:07 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 198 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:07 2002] You begin casting Extinguish Fatigue.
[Wed May 08 22:59:07 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 50 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:07 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 90 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:07 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 72 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:07 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:07 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 90 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:07 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 132 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:08 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 170 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:08 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 208 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:08 2002] an ice burrower is straight ahead.
[Wed May 08 22:59:08 2002] an ice burrower was hit by non-melee for 88 points of damage.
[Wed May 08 22:59:10 2002] an ice burrower is behind and to the right.
[Wed May 08 22:59:10 2002] Your body zings with energy

[nilbog]

The problem with OOE logs is AAs unfortunately.

[Rygar]

The problem with OOE logs is AAs unfortunately.

The first log I posted was a level 52 ranger. I don't believe in early Luclin any first Tier AAs to increased your skill / damage output? Thought it was run speed, tradeskill boosts, and base stat resists.

The ice burrower log he specifically states no Archery AAs were obtained.

Hopefully in absence of evidence can be used as a rough baseline.

I tried a lot of search criteria for early logs, came up fairly dry

[Awsten_Tx]

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.games.everquest/c/tAy9EPnbCNk/m/1lOJ_UmONRAJ?pli=1

Bradmeister
Aug 6, 2001, 10:30:32 PM
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>>Wouldn't it be nice if bows or arrows could do some real damage? <<
>>>SNIP<<<

My friend is a lvl 54 Ranger. Archery skill 215. Master Fletcher.

He often does crits with his bow. I saw him do a 294 crit bow shot. (non
trueshot discipline, whatever that means)

Sounds like real damage to me.


Jam
Aug 7, 2001, 12:35:03 AM
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I like the damage on the bows. My level 23 troll warrior with a Darkwood Bow
(cannot remember the name, its the most damaging one), and homemade arrows
(hooked point, bone shaft, Parabolic fletch, small neck), can damage for 28
points, and crit at 56 points. I personally think a 56 dmg to the mob before
it even reach you is a ok damage, and the arrows i use are not even the most
damaging ones, its just the least expensive that have 150 range and some
descent dmg.

--
Hesten Gnyffa
Level 34 druid
Officer of Da Troll Patrol
Veeshan server

Tim Fitzmaurice
Aug 7, 2001, 2:48:00 AM
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Nos...@killspam.com wrote:
> After playing with a bow for pulling (from advice from this group, thanks
> guys!) I have one comment. Wouldn't it be nice if bows or arrows could do
> some real damage? Wouldn't it be nice if in EQ, bows could REALLY dole out

Yes, it would be delightful says I speaking as a ranger. t one thing that
slightly iritates me that a ranger whose very symbol is a bow is you're
not really that much better than other classes until very high level.
I guess that's hybridland though....

However I'm using a very basic ashwood bow, and damage 1 arrows and I am
hitting for typically 15-17 points of damage with a delay somewhere round
about 42-45 IIRC....which isnt too shabby when you root and let rip. PLus
you can run backwards shooting, change direction and auto realign to
shoot. Now I fletch my arrows myself and range 150 dam 1 arrows cost me a
coupla gold a stack, and I can if I want use smithing to limit the cost
even further.....spare metal bits, 20 arrowheads thank you.

Oh and with a stength od 100 and dex of about 85 I critical for 37 points
at the moment....it'll go up with better bows.


Dave Cheeseman
Aug 7, 2001, 5:51:05 AM
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I have a Trueshot Bow and use 2/150 arrows which are nice and cheap, from a
Fleeting Quiver which reduces attack delay on archery.
I am hunting Crazed Ghouls in Butcherblock which are blue to me at 35.

I pull one clear of the spawn points and root, then shoot it until root
breaks, then re-root. I throw in the occasional Stinging Swarm which is good
for my Conjuration.

It takes me about 40 arrows to get it to 20% health, and I get on average
1-2 skill increases in archery. Then I finish it off with dual-wielded
piercing weaps which also gets my piercing up. They hit quite hard so I
often lose 20% health at this stage.

Most times I do 12-22 damage with arrows, occasionally criticals 45-51, and
occasionally less than 12 damage or missing altogether. My Archery is now
165, out of a max for my level of 180. My downtime is just medding to get
back the mana for rooting & DD, plus healing the lost health from the final
Melee.

I can just keep up with the spawn rate with this tactic, so it is quite
efficient.

Dennis Francis Heffernan's profile photo
Dennis Francis Heffernan
Aug 10, 2001, 6:13:28 PM
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:55:13 -0700, "Sean Kennedy" <kse...@qwest.net> wrote:
|Now I'm really curious, just how much damage are we talking
|about?

Celt just set a new record -- a single hit of 1025, against Yelinak.


Sang K. Choe
Aug 11, 2001, 4:31:23 AM
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:55:13 -0700, "Sean Kennedy" <kse...@qwest.net>
wrote:
>Now I'm really curious, just how much damage are we talking
>about?

Oh anywhere between 100 to 120dps.

Probably on the conservative side...

-- Sang.

These are all grabs from the thread i linked at the top.

[Awsten_Tx]

Although this post is out of Era, it is still indicative of bows having their own bonus, as well as Ranger Stationary and Trueshot AFFECTING that bonus.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...06701602090288

"Number 3: The trueshot discapline grants higher crits for bows with higher delays. To test the truth of this, get 2 bows with the same damage and different delays. Trueshot with both of them enough and you will come to see that the one with the higher delay crits harder, despite having equal damage. Therefore, a stonewood, for instance, probably out performes a featherwood during trueshot."

I still maintain, and will continue to maintain, the P99 mainhand bonus applying to archery is a gross error in the combat mechanics of the server. It is an artificial nerf to rangers as well as simultaneous buff to large races, namely large race warriors. Its a broken mechanic that needs fixed.

I posted this is the PVP bugs thread about archery bonus as well as the issue applies there and here.

Also its a good time to bump this thread to ensure it gets seen and addressed.

Bows had their own damage bonus, similar to 2 handers, it was based on the delay of the bow and the Ranger bonuses of stationary target and trueshot affected said bonuses.

[Awsten_Tx]

Per patch notes dating January 17, 2001:

- The ranger's "Trueshot" discipline has had its damage increased after
analyzing data from its fix last week. Prior to the last patch, all
bows, while under the discipline, were hitting as if they were 45dmg
bows regardless of the delay. Last week's patch fixed it so that damage
was based on the damage of the bow. This weeks patch increases damage
bonuses in relation to delay (longer delays yield better damage
bonuses).

[Awsten_Tx]

https://web.archive.org/web/20011126110844/http://pub4.ezboard.com/feqasylumranger.showMessage?topicID=389.topic


Research done Kuwen.
It drops off a lvl58 ranger named Aaramis Silverblade.
Undercon.
Is known to hit for 300+ crits with it (307, 317s were 2 hits) without raid buffs (had VoG, that was it...no focus, avatar, etc, etc....so just base dex + VoG).

/huggles his new bow.

Can't wait to test this bad boy on Yelinak.

[Awsten_Tx]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010525112751/http://pub4.ezboard.com/feqasylumranger.showMessage?topicID=258.topic

What can I say...I love my bow now.
Post50 double damage hits were great....and now Trueshot is even better (disgusting damage? yes, I think so :P).
So here's my biggest hits so far....just wondering how I stack up to the rest of you, since my archery was almost unused until almost lvl50. (it's still under 200, but i've almost broken the marker now).
*dex varies on these...some were using base dex (around120), others were max dex (255) on raids... also using Bow of the Underfoot (33/60 bow)*

without Trueshot disc - highest non-crit : 163, highest crit : 280
with disc - highest non-crit : 340, crit : 498

*edit* got the 498 crit last night on a seb golem that dared charge us after we downed Trak. had a 368 crit just before the 498 on him too, so with disc still going I probably did 3k dmg to that poor golem.
Mwaahaahaaaa


Aaramis Silverblade
Outrider of TSO
So let's see your crits fellow rangers!

[Awsten_Tx]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010525112751/http://pub4.ezboard.com/feqasylumranger.showMessage?topicID=258.topic

Ulaian
I live here.... get out.
(4/15/01 6:23:32 pm)
Re: Bow crits
I think my best so far is just 246... but then, im using a crappy spectral bow ;)
Ulaian Moonleaf
55th outrider of Tunare
Leader, Avatars of Night

[Awsten_Tx]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010525...icID=258.topic

Sindaien Shimmerystar
w4nn4b3!
(4/17/01 9:29:26 am)
Re: Bow crits
Using a Raincaller and 8 damage arrows (dex 109) my best non crit has been 110, and best crit a 175.

Hopefully Verant will do something with fletching like they did with tailoring, maybe allow fletchers to create some nice bows with some droppable/questable items (Hmm a bit off topic there but oh well)

Sindaien
53 Pathfinder of Vita Infinita

[Rygar]

Any sleuthers out there that can offer advice on search criteria? I found those other logs with some basics like:
"Points of damage" "ranger" "bow"

I tried adding in other things such as "non-melee" or specific bow names in era such as "recurve", "ashwood", "runed oak" and even "trueshot" with limited success.

I thought for sure there would be older logs of people playing with ranger specific bows such as "raincaller' or "rain caller" but again met with limited success.

[Rygar]

The problem with OOE logs is AAs unfortunately.

I knew I wasn't crazy:

General abilities: A character must be level 51 or higher to open up the
General abilities.
Archetype abilities: A character must have spent six skill points on
General abilities and be 55th level or higher to open up the Archetype
abilities.
Class abilities: A character must have spent twelve skill points on
Archetype abilities and be 59th level or higher to open up the Class
abilities.


This should make early out of era logs from any ranger under 55 money in the bank.

Of course not sure if there were any general melee patches to increase damage, but can be easily checked. I'll see about taking a peek for six months into 2002

[Tomacco]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010525...icID=258.topic

Sindaien Shimmerystar
w4nn4b3!
(4/17/01 9:29:26 am)
Re: Bow crits
Using a Raincaller and 8 damage arrows (dex 109) my best non crit has been 110, and best crit a 175.

Hopefully Verant will do something with fletching like they did with tailoring, maybe allow fletchers to create some nice bows with some droppable/questable items (Hmm a bit off topic there but oh well)

Sindaien
53 Pathfinder of Vita Infinita

Great job with the archive results Awsten_Tx. I tried the other day and every result I could find timed out. I knew there had to be information in there.

[Rygar]

I knew I wasn't crazy:


This should make early out of era logs from any ranger under 55 money in the bank.

Of course not sure if there were any general melee patches to increase damage, but can be easily checked. I'll see about taking a peek for six months into 2002

Didn't see any melee buff patches during Luclin. Only things I can think of were equipment mods, not sure what existed for ranger damage bonus for archery tho?

[Awsten_Tx]

I knew I wasn't crazy:


This should make early out of era logs from any ranger under 55 money in the bank.

Of course not sure if there were any general melee patches to increase damage, but can be easily checked. I'll see about taking a peek for six months into 2002

technically 59 since you couldnt train AM till 59 being a class ability.

[praying]

So, this means bowquest is over on red? Thank you Nilbog, we have been waiting for years for this.

[nilbog]

When did rangers originally receive crit chances with archery? Was it always available, and if so, what level?

I'm seeing discrepancy of level 12 (like warriors), and level 17.

[Awsten_Tx]

When did rangers originally receive crit chances with archery? Was it always available, and if so, what level?

I'm seeing discrepancy of level 12 (like warriors), and level 17.

I don't remember, I'll start looking for documentation regarding that.

[nilbog]

Something else that appears to be missing regarding archery is the
'Soandso was hit by non-melee for X points of damage.'
preceding the
'You hit soandso for X points of damage.'

[bivouac]

Ranger and rogue crits went live with the 8-31-99 patch. The 8-26-99 test server patch notes explicitly mention level 12 for ranger and rogue.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010210085939/www.eqic.net/patches.htm

[nilbog]

Okay this is looking better.

Assuming a best in slot raid-geared ranger, can I get a list of what buffs they would have?

[feniin]

Okay this is looking better.

Assuming a best in slot raid-geared ranger, can I get a list of what buffs they would have?

For +ATK
Avatar
Call of the Predator
Strength of Nature
Visions of Grandeur
Bard epic proc

All Aura of Battle items
Swiftwind

[Awsten_Tx]

Okay this is looking better.

Assuming a best in slot raid-geared ranger, can I get a list of what buffs they would have?

Worn Items
Silver Mask of Slayer (+10)
Belt of Dwarf Slaying (+10)
Spirit Wracked Cords (+10)
Swift Spirit (+30)

Spell buffs
Frostreaver's Blessing (+10)
Strength of Nature (+25)
Call of the Predator (+40)
Avatar (+100)
Visions of Grandeur (+20)
Dance of the Blade (+30)
McVaxius' Rousing Rondo (+39)

[Rygar]

Here's an out of era trueshot log for comparison, he gives atk rating, buffs used, current stats/arrows. Confirmed Level 56 so shouldn't have archery AA. I believe 56+ could potentially have bonus crit damage AA, so maybe disregard the frequency (even tho only 3 crits).

https://web.archive.org/web/20030316055549/http://forums.interealms.com/ranger/archive/index.php/t-14523

kamilka
The Following is proof that a ranger can do 15K dmg in about 2min using a good bow.
Stats needed for personal computations is as follows:
ATK = 1220
STR = 193
DEX = 165
Falcon Eye buff was cast
Disc Trueshot was used
Bow = Nightmare Bow 28 dmg 39 dly at lvl 56
Arrow = Tolan Bracer Summoned
Epic Ranger Haste from Swiftwind = 40 %

Forgot to put this in the calcs:
Also my skill is maxed for lvl at 224

Unsure what P99 archery caps at, so you may need to take that into consideration.


[Mon Nov 25 06:23:16 2002] Danzzig tells the group, 'Sambata Tribal Advisor inc get your butts up and kick em in the junk'
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:21 2002] Danzzig begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:23 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:26 2002] Kamilka saved.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:34 2002] Kamilka's bow crackles with natural energy.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:38 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:38 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 148 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:38 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 148 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:41 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:41 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 348 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:41 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 348 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:42 2002] Aardwarden begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:43 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:43 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:43 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 176 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:43 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 176 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:44 2002] Danzzig begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:46 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:46 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 332 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:46 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 332 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:48 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:48 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 148 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:48 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 148 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:50 2002] Danzzig begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:53 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:53 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 56 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:53 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 56 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:55 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:55 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 68 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:55 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 68 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:57 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:57 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:57 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 188 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:23:57 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 188 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:00 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:00 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 240 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:00 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 240 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:03 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:03 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 348 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:03 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 348 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:04 2002] Your target resisted the Shadow Vortex spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:05 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:05 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 116 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:05 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 116 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:07 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:07 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 168 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:07 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 168 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:15 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:15 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:15 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 48 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:16 2002] Aardwarden begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:17 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:17 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 168 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:17 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 168 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:19 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:20 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:20 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 128 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:20 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 128 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:22 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:22 2002] Kamilka Scores a critical hit!(600)
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:22 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 600 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:22 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 600 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:24 2002] Aardwarden begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:24 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:24 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 148 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:24 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 148 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:27 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:27 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 160 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:27 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 160 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:27 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:29 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:29 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 108 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:29 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 108 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:31 2002] Aardwarden begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:31 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:31 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 224 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:31 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 224 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:35 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:38 2002] Danzzig begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:39 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:39 2002] Kamilka Scores a critical hit!(620)
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:39 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 620 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:39 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 620 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:39 2002] Aardwarden begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:41 2002] Shadyman's body is pelted by spores.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:41 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:41 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:41 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 80 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:41 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 80 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:44 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:44 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 108 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:44 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 108 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:44 2002] Danzzig begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:45 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:46 2002] Aardwarden begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:46 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:46 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 268 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:46 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 268 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:48 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:48 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 264 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:48 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 264 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:51 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:51 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 216 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:51 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 216 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:54 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:54 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 220 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:54 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 220 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:54 2002] Aardwarden begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:56 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:56 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 148 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:56 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 148 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:24:59 2002] Danzzig begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:01 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:01 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 88 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:01 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 88 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:03 2002] Aardwarden begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:04 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:04 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 184 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:04 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 184 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:06 2002] Aardwarden tells the group, 'can't heal shady while he LD '
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:10 2002] Aardwarden begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:11 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:11 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 304 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:11 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 304 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:12 2002] Danzzig tells the group, 'he feared'
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:13 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:13 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 256 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:13 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 256 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:16 2002] Aardwarden tells the group, 'yeah'
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:18 2002] Aardwarden begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:18 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:18 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 204 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:18 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 204 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:21 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:21 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 20 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:21 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 20 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:23 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:23 2002] Kamilka Scores a critical hit!(457)
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:23 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 457 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:23 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 457 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:25 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:25 2002] Aardwarden begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:25 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:25 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 176 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:25 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 176 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:28 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:28 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 56 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:28 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 56 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:32 2002] Danzzig tells the group, 'discing'
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:33 2002] Aardwarden begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:36 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:36 2002] Sambata Tribal Advisor was hit by non-melee for 148 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:36 2002] You hit Sambata Tribal Advisor for 148 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 25 06:25:36 2002] You lose the concentration to remain in your fighting discipline.

[nilbog]

I'm feeling pretty good with the local code now. Still needs more testing, but here is a summary of changes being tested so far.

-Archery damage no longer receives a damage bonus from mainhand weapon delay
-Archery damage scales with Dexterity instead of Strength
-Rangers can critically hit with archery at level 12 [Aug1999]
-Rogues can critically hit with throwing weapons at level 12 [Aug1999]
-Archery and throwing weapon hits display "X was hit by non-melee for Y points of damage" followed by "You hit X for Y points of damage"

Trueshot
[!Jan2001]
-All bows act as 45 damage bows while Trueshot is active
[Jan2001]
-Uses actual bow damage
-Added delay-based damage bonus (slower bows receive larger damage bonuses)

Expected Impact
-Rangers with high Dexterity will deal more damage with bows
-[Jan2001] Trueshot Discipline used with slow, high-delay bows will be more powerful


From the posted logs, damage seems close. With a fully raid buffed BIS ranger, it is possible (not likely) to achieve ~1000-1200 damage crits with Trueshot. Any additional logs would still be helpful.

And I just noticed when Trueshot fades, it says 'The natural energy fades from your bow.', but according to the logs it should say 'You lose the concentration to remain in your fighting discipline.' I'll see about changing that.

[Kich867]

I'm feeling pretty good with the local code now. Still needs more testing, but here is a summary of changes being tested so far.

-Archery damage no longer receives a damage bonus from mainhand weapon delay
-Archery damage scales with Dexterity instead of Strength
-Rangers can critically hit with archery at level 12 [Aug1999]
-Rogues can critically hit with throwing weapons at level 12 [Aug1999]
-Archery and throwing weapon hits display "X was hit by non-melee for Y points of damage" followed by "You hit X for Y points of damage"

Trueshot
[!Jan2001]
-All bows act as 45 damage bows while Trueshot is active
[Jan2001]
-Uses actual bow damage
-Added delay-based damage bonus (slower bows receive larger damage bonuses)

Expected Impact
-Rangers with high Dexterity will deal more damage with bows
-[Jan2001] Trueshot Discipline used with slow, high-delay bows will be more powerful


From the posted logs, damage seems close. With a fully raid buffed BIS ranger, it is possible (not likely) to achieve ~1000-1200 damage crits with Trueshot. Any additional logs would still be helpful.

And I just noticed when Trueshot fades, it says 'The natural energy fades from your bow.', but according to the logs it should say 'You lose the concentration to remain in your fighting discipline.' I'll see about changing that.

Thats pretty exciting! Thanks!

[Rygar]

Here's the rest of what I got:
https://search.eqarchives.org/?size=n_20_n&filters%5B0%5D%5Bfield%5D=id&filters%5B0%5D%5Bvalues%5D%5B0%5D=websites%2Feverq uest.allakhazam.com%2F20030328014616%2Fdb%2Fclasse s.html%3Fclass%3D10%26start%3D400&filters%5B0%5D%5Btype%5D=all

Note at the end they mention they are level 59... so not sure if archery AA's have been used
Posted @ Tue, Jul 2nd 11:06 AM 2002 Score: Good[4.10]
I am about to hit level 55 and finally the defining skill of Rangers will be mine, The Trueshot Discipline! I have a Blessed Faydark Thunderbolt 30-38 and a ton of stats bow, and for the time being will be using summoned arrows. My question to you is...what type of damage can I expect from each arrow (that hits) with str buffed to 200 and dex around 190...any ideas? I have gotten crits of (246) with these same buffs on, so Im curious what any other Rangers have experienced using the TS disc. Please let me know soon cause I have 3 blue till ding and hopefully by the 4th I should be ready to unleash my newfound ability on some Uber mob *edited******July 8th******* Ok since no-one answered me and I have hit level 55 I thought I'd post last nights TS Disc..

[Sun Jul 07 20:52:28 2002] You say, 'Q is going Ballistic....DISC TIME!'
[Sun Jul 07 20:52:29 2002] Qzet's bow crackles with natural energy. [
Sun Jul 07 20:52:31 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:52:31 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 208 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:52:31 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 208 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:52:57 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:52:57 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 120 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:52:57 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 120 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:52:59 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:52:59 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 132 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:52:59 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 132 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:00 2002] A Chokidai Whelp was pierced by thorns.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:01 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:01 2002] Qzet Scores a critical hit!(260)
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:01 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 260 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:01 2002] You have become better at Archery! (218)
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:01 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 260 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:03 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:03 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 40 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:03 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 40 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:05 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:05 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 204 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:05 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 204 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:12 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:12 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 128 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:12 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 128 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:15 2002] A Chokidai Whelp was pierced by thorns.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:15 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:15 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 244 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:15 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 244 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:22 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:22 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 120 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:22 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 120 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:24 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:24 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 36 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:24 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 36 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:27 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:27 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 56 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:27 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 56 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:28 2002] A Chokidai Whelp was pierced by thorns.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:28 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:28 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 224 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:28 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 224 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:32 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:32 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 148 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:32 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 148 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:33 2002] A Chokidai Whelp was pierced by thorns.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:37 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:37 2002] Qzet Scores a critical hit!(212)
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:37 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 212 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:37 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 212 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:39 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:39 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 172 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:39 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 172 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:39 2002] A Chokidai Whelp was pierced by thorns.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:41 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:41 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 216 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:41 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 216 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:41 2002] A Chokidai Whelp was pierced by thorns.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:45 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:45 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 248 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:45 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 248 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:47 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:47 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 248 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:47 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 248 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:52 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 94 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:52 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 94 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:54 2002] a Chokidai Whelp was hit by non-melee for 54 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:53:54 2002] You hit a Chokidai Whelp for 54 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:03 2002] a Dizok Underling was hit by non-melee for 122 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:17 2002] A Dizok Underling was pierced by thorns.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:19 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:19 2002] a Dizok Underling was hit by non-melee for 84 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:19 2002] You hit a Dizok Underling for 84 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:22 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:22 2002] a Dizok Underling was hit by non-melee for 172 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:22 2002] You hit a Dizok Underling for 172 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:25 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:25 2002] a Dizok Underling was hit by non-melee for 276 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:25 2002] You hit a Dizok Underling for 276 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:28 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:28 2002] a Dizok Underling was hit by non-melee for 240 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:28 2002] You hit a Dizok Underling for 240 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:31 2002] Your bow shot did double dmg.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:31 2002] a Dizok Underling was hit by non-melee for 24 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:31 2002] You hit a Dizok Underling for 24 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 07 20:54:32 2002] You lose the concentration to remain in your fighting discipline.

4082 total Damage/120 secs=34.01 Damage Per Second Using Summoned dmg3 arrows Str 190 Dex 225

Edited, Mon Jul 8 12:27:54 2002 Qzet Forestmyst Outrider 0f 59 scars Proud Leader of the Shroud Of Honor Guild Fennin Ro www.shroudofhonor.com "Beauty is in the eye of the Swordholder"

This is from the 'exploit era' where archery was broken. Earlier in the link they said they changed everyone's name to "Ranger". Levels/stats not given:
https://web.archive.org/web/20050507044004/http://forums.interealms.com/shaman/archive/index.php/t-1534

Zugugg

These are not my logs. Names changed to protect ... them. It was all 1 ranger btw.

[Thu May 09 18:36:27 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 86 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:27 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 112 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:27 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 156 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:28 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 144 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:28 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 171 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:28 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 150 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:28 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 42 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:28 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 246 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:28 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 232 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:29 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 81 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:29 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 426 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:29 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 304 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:29 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 136 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:29 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 86 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:29 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 426 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:29 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 220 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:30 2002] Ranger hits a chromadrac for 86 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:36:31 2002] You gain party experience!!

[Thu May 09 18:39:57 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 86 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:39:58 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 68 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:39:58 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 46 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:39:58 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 190 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:39:58 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 78 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:39:58 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 98 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:39:58 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 144 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:39:59 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 98 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:39:59 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 86 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:39:59 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 60 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:00 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 246 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:00 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 246 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:00 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 180 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:00 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 94 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:00 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 88 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:01 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 114 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:01 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 186 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:01 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 178 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:01 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 26 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:01 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 148 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:01 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 190 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:01 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 185 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:02 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 108 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:02 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 376 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:02 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 86 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:02 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 260 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:02 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 46 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:02 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 452 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:03 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 168 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:03 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 492 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:04 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 492 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:04 2002] Ranger hits a lava walker for 492 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:40:04 2002] a lava walker has been slain by Ranger!

[Thu May 09 18:40:04 2002] Your faction standing with Minions Of Scale got worse.

[Thu May 09 18:40:04 2002] Your faction standing with Ring of Scale could not possibly get any worse.

[Thu May 09 18:40:04 2002] You gain party experience!!

[Thu May 09 18:40:07 2002] You tell your party, 'rofl'

[Thu May 09 18:40:10 2002] Someone tells the group, 'I think I'm gonna cry'

[Thu May 09 18:40:13 2002] Someone2 tells the group, 'amazing'

[Thu May 09 18:40:13 2002] Someone tells the group, 'That was obscene'

[Thu May 09 18:41:23 2002] a wyvern was hit by non-melee for 1150 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:23 2002] A wyvern's skin peels away as moonfire consumes their body.

[Thu May 09 18:41:26 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 104 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:26 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 220 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:26 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 186 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:27 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 160 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:27 2002] a wyvern was hit by non-melee for 6 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:27 2002] A wyvern hits YOU for 110 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:27 2002] a wyvern was hit by non-melee for 6 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:27 2002] A wyvern bashes YOU for 41 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:27 2002] You resist the Dark Poison spell!

[Thu May 09 18:41:27 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 172 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:27 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 492 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:27 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 172 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:28 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 192 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:29 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 492 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:29 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 132 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:29 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 468 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:29 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 348 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:30 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 304 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:30 2002] Ranger hits a wyvern for 492 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:41:30 2002] a wyvern has been slain by Ranger!

[Thu May 09 18:45:37 2002] Someone tells the group, 'You may fire when ready =p'

[Thu May 09 18:45:42 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 182 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:42 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 186 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:42 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 208 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:42 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 146 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:43 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 154 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:43 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 134 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:43 2002] an ancient wyvern says 'You will not evade me Ranger!'

[Thu May 09 18:45:43 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 715 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:43 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 268 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:43 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 492 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:44 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 300 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:44 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 492 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:44 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 468 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:45 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 324 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:45 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 492 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:45 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 172 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:45 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 284 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:45 2002] An ancient wyvern hits Ranger for 124 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:45 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 320 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:45 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 492 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:46 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 320 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:46 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 140 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:46 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 246 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:46 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 424 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:46 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 426 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:46 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 62 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:46 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 246 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:46 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 196 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:47 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 42 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:48 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 132 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:48 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 34 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:48 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 86 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:48 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 244 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:45:53 2002] an ancient wyvern says 'You will not evade me Ranger!'

[Thu May 09 18:46:01 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 86 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:46:03 2002] You begin casting Chloroblast.

[Thu May 09 18:46:22 2002] Your target is out of range, get closer!

[Thu May 09 18:46:37 2002] You begin casting Chloroblast.

[Thu May 09 18:46:37 2002] an ancient wyvern says 'You will not evade me Ranger!'

[Thu May 09 18:46:40 2002] Your spell is interrupted.

[Thu May 09 18:46:42 2002] You begin casting Chloroblast.

[Thu May 09 18:46:45 2002] Your target is out of range, get closer!

[Thu May 09 18:46:50 2002] You begin casting Chloroblast.

[Thu May 09 18:46:53 2002] Your spell is interrupted.

[Thu May 09 18:47:17 2002] An ancient wyvern hits Someone for 68 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:17 2002] An ancient wyvern hits Someone for 188 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:24 2002] Someone tells the group, 'On me. Go go go'

[Thu May 09 18:47:24 2002] Your spell is interrupted.

[Thu May 09 18:47:25 2002] an ancient wyvern is behind and to the left.

[Thu May 09 18:47:25 2002] You begin casting Chloroblast.

[Thu May 09 18:47:27 2002] an ancient wyvern is behind and to the left.

[Thu May 09 18:47:28 2002] You have been summoned!

[Thu May 09 18:47:28 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 300 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:28 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 208 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:29 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 44 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:29 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 448 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:29 2002] an ancient wyvern is to the left.

[Thu May 09 18:47:29 2002] an ancient wyvern was hit by non-melee for 6 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:29 2002] An ancient wyvern hits YOU for 116 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:29 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 52 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:30 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 272 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:30 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 416 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:30 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 152 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:30 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 492 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:30 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 272 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:31 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 440 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:31 2002] an ancient wyvern has become ENRAGED.

[Thu May 09 18:47:31 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 172 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:31 2002] an ancient wyvern was hit by non-melee for 6 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:31 2002] An ancient wyvern hits YOU for 132 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:31 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 300 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:31 2002] an ancient wyvern is behind and to the left.

[Thu May 09 18:47:31 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 64 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:31 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 300 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:31 2002] You haven't recovered yet...

[Thu May 09 18:47:32 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 104 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:32 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 26 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:32 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 246 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:32 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 116 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:32 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 136 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:32 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 86 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:32 2002] You begin casting Chloroblast.

[Thu May 09 18:47:32 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 34 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:32 2002] You can't use that command right now...

[Thu May 09 18:47:33 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 64 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:33 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 86 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:33 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 56 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:33 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 246 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:33 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 88 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:33 2002] an ancient wyvern is behind and to the left.

[Thu May 09 18:47:34 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 56 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:35 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 182 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:35 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 110 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:35 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 96 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:35 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 321 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:35 2002] You have lost your target.

[Thu May 09 18:47:35 2002] Ranger hits an ancient wyvern for 290 points of damage.

[Thu May 09 18:47:35 2002] an ancient wyvern has been slain by Ranger!




https://web.archive.org/web/20010609230818/http://eqdb.allakhazam.com/item.html?item=2673

Hey theres a a crazy bow you missing kid, Windstriker! Look it up!
Click here ====> http://eqdb.allakhazam.com/item.html?item=5522
This bow is one of the strongest in damage. Hell...I'll just tell you stats...

45/60 Range: 200 5Str 5Dex 5Agi
50Hp Effect: whirlwind
Ranger/All Race

also listen to this comment from a person that got wasted by this bow...

"I let Darby pop a few shots at me with his 55 /disc. A few things to note: his archery isn't maxed, his str/dex isn't maxed, he isn't lvl 60.

Still he did some awesome damage... check out how often I had to be healed :)

-bort

PS: If it matters, I am 3 levels lower than Darby, with 1000AC

[Thu Apr 05 00:35:31 2001] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.
[Thu Apr 05 00:35:47 2001] Darby's bow crackles with natural energy.
[Thu Apr 05 00:35:49 2001] Darby hits YOU for 448 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:35:54 2001] Darby hits YOU for 336 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:35:59 2001] Darby tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:04 2001] Darby hits YOU for 172 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:08 2001] Darby hits YOU for 368 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:13 2001] Darby hits YOU for 444 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:14 2001] Solstavor begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:14 2001] Solstavor tells the group, 'Big Ass Heal Inc. on Bortas'
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:18 2001] Celestial light pumps through your body.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:21 2001] Darby hits YOU for 120 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:22 2001] Solstavor begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:23 2001] Solstavor tells the group, 'Heal Inc. on Bortas'
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:25 2001] Your wounds fade.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:29 2001] Darby hits YOU for 84 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:31 2001] Solstavor begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:31 2001] Solstavor tells the group, 'Heal Inc. on Bortas'
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:34 2001] Your wounds fade.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:34 2001] Darby hits YOU for 292 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:39 2001] Darby hits YOU for 252 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:43 2001] Darby hits YOU for 228 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:45 2001] Solstavor begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:46 2001] Solstavor tells the group, 'Heal Inc. on Bortas'
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:48 2001] Darby hits YOU for 348 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:48 2001] Your wounds fade.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:53 2001] Darby hits YOU for 532 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:57 2001] Darby hits YOU for 228 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:57 2001] Solstavor tells the group, 'holy @#%^...'
[Thu Apr 05 00:36:58 2001] You tell your party, 'niceone'
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:02 2001] Solstavor begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:02 2001] Solstavor tells the group, 'Heal Inc. on Bortas'
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:03 2001] Darby hits YOU for 228 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:05 2001] Your wounds fade.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:08 2001] Solstavor begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:08 2001] Solstavor tells the group, 'Heal Inc. on Bortas'
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:09 2001] Darby hits YOU for 228 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:11 2001] Your wounds fade.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:14 2001] Darby hits YOU for 84 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:15 2001] Solstavor begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:15 2001] Solstavor tells the group, 'Big Ass Heal Inc. on Bortas'
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:18 2001] Darby hits YOU for 228 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:19 2001] Celestial light pumps through your body.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:23 2001] Solstavor begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:23 2001] Solstavor tells the group, 'Heal Inc. on Bortas'
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:26 2001] Your wounds fade.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:28 2001] Darby hits YOU for 228 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:33 2001] Darby hits YOU for 316 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:38 2001] Darby hits YOU for 356 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:42 2001] Darby hits YOU for 392 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:44 2001] Solstavor begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:44 2001] Solstavor tells the group, 'Heal Inc. on Bortas'
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:47 2001] Your wounds fade.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:49 2001] Darby hits YOU for 228 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 05 00:37:56 2001] Darby tells the group, 'that is it... shoot'
[Thu Apr 05 00:38:20 2001] You tell your party, '532 pretty damned good"

I think I made my point...

[Awsten_Tx]

I'm feeling pretty good with the local code now. Still needs more testing, but here is a summary of changes being tested so far.

-Archery damage no longer receives a damage bonus from mainhand weapon delay
-Archery damage scales with Dexterity instead of Strength
-Rangers can critically hit with archery at level 12 [Aug1999]
-Rogues can critically hit with throwing weapons at level 12 [Aug1999]
-Archery and throwing weapon hits display "X was hit by non-melee for Y points of damage" followed by "You hit X for Y points of damage"

Trueshot
[!Jan2001]
-All bows act as 45 damage bows while Trueshot is active
[Jan2001]
-Uses actual bow damage
-Added delay-based damage bonus (slower bows receive larger damage bonuses)

Expected Impact
-Rangers with high Dexterity will deal more damage with bows
-[Jan2001] Trueshot Discipline used with slow, high-delay bows will be more powerful


From the posted logs, damage seems close. With a fully raid buffed BIS ranger, it is possible (not likely) to achieve ~1000-1200 damage crits with Trueshot. Any additional logs would still be helpful.

And I just noticed when Trueshot fades, it says 'The natural energy fades from your bow.', but according to the logs it should say 'You lose the concentration to remain in your fighting discipline.' I'll see about changing that.

Nilly B, can't thank you enough. Your dev time is greatly appreciated!

[Awsten_Tx]

Nilbog, this fix process rate of weapon effects coming from mainhand delay as well?

[nilbog]

Nilbog, this fix process rate of weapon effects coming from mainhand delay as well?

Not sure what you mean by this. If it's not on my list above, it is likely not covered.

[Awsten_Tx]

Not sure what you mean by this. If it's not on my list above, it is likely not covered.

When firing a bow with a proc, it will use the weapon delay of the mainhand weapon to determine the chance of firing that proc.

Please see the video link below where a shadow knight with the wuoshi dropped Skydarkener, will proc basically every other shot, while using a weighted axe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7CBmuLn4ds

Should we start a separate forum post?

[nilbog]

When firing a bow with a proc, it will use the weapon delay of the mainhand weapon to determine the chance of firing that proc.

Please see the video link below where a shadow knight with the wuoshi dropped Skydarkener, will proc basically every other shot, while using a weighted axe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7CBmuLn4ds

Should we start a separate forum post?


This is a different system, and would be better as a new bug report. I can look at it since it's archery related while all this is familiar to me.

[Xersius]

I'm feeling pretty good with the local code now. Still needs more testing, but here is a summary of changes being tested so far.

-Archery damage no longer receives a damage bonus from mainhand weapon delay
-Archery damage scales with Dexterity instead of Strength
-Rangers can critically hit with archery at level 12 [Aug1999]
-Rogues can critically hit with throwing weapons at level 12 [Aug1999]
-Archery and throwing weapon hits display "X was hit by non-melee for Y points of damage" followed by "You hit X for Y points of damage"

Trueshot
[!Jan2001]
-All bows act as 45 damage bows while Trueshot is active
[Jan2001]
-Uses actual bow damage
-Added delay-based damage bonus (slower bows receive larger damage bonuses)

Expected Impact
-Rangers with high Dexterity will deal more damage with bows
-[Jan2001] Trueshot Discipline used with slow, high-delay bows will be more powerful


From the posted logs, damage seems close. With a fully raid buffed BIS ranger, it is possible (not likely) to achieve ~1000-1200 damage crits with Trueshot. Any additional logs would still be helpful.

And I just noticed when Trueshot fades, it says 'The natural energy fades from your bow.', but according to the logs it should say 'You lose the concentration to remain in your fighting discipline.' I'll see about changing that.

I figure id post this here also to ensure some visibility on the *real* ranger concern in the raid scene:

One of the *bigger* issues in my eyes, is while double damage and trueshot can be reworked to reflect better bow dps - we still have rooted raid targets. The coding would need to change to have mobs in TOV be 99999% snared, rather than rooted, to allow for double damage shots. Otherwise a large portion of raid content is altered regarding ranger bow shot DPS (a classic and unique ranger feature) due to out of era rooting of raid bosses.

[CrazyPro]

I figure id post this here also to ensure some visibility on the *real* ranger concern in the raid scene:

One of the *bigger* issues in my eyes, is while double damage and trueshot can be reworked to reflect better bow dps - we still have rooted raid targets. The coding would need to change to have mobs in TOV be 99999% snared, rather than rooted, to allow for double damage shots. Otherwise a large portion of raid content is altered regarding ranger bow shot DPS (a classic and unique ranger feature) due to out of era rooting of raid bosses.

This. This, 100%.

[nilbog]

I appreciate the perspective, but this is a bug thread focused on archery mechanics themselves, not raid npc design or tov encounter behavior. Those are valid concerns, but they’re a separate issue and would be better discussed in their own thread. This thread is intended to cover archery as a system, including its impact outside of raids.

[Vaarsuvius]

I appreciate the perspective, but this is a bug thread focused on archery mechanics themselves, not raid npc design or tov encounter behavior. Those are valid concerns, but they’re a separate issue and would be better discussed in their own thread. This thread is intended to cover archery as a system, including its impact outside of raids.

Another thing that has been bugging me for a long time about Archery is the terrible miss rate we get when a mob is partially pinned against/ pushed “inside” a wall

That does not prevent melees from auto attacking mobs but for some reason Archery suffers a lot from that even for mobs with a huge hit box

[CrazyPro]

Another thing that has been bugging me for a long time about Archery is the terrible miss rate we get when a mob is partially pinned against/ pushed “inside” a wall

That does not prevent melees from auto attacking mobs but for some reason Archery suffers a lot from that even for mobs with a huge hit box

That's classic. You couldn't corner-pin mobs because arrow collision was busted and the arrows wouldn't collide.

[Tomacco]

Nilbog,

Is there anything else we can do to provide data, testing, etc?

This may be disproportionately more of an issue for some than others, but some of us have been waiting years :)

Thanks again for figuring this out.