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Really?
06-30-2011, 11:40 AM
Lord Nagafen
Lvl 55
Dragon Roar – MR based AE fear.
Lava Breath – FR based 500dmg AE combined with Cancel Magic (one slot debuff).
• One junk buff in your first slot, whether it's Yualp, Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring, Spyglass, etc. to counteract the dispel.
• Get MR/FR resists stacked as high as you can, primarily MR.


Lady Vox
Lvl 55
Dragon Roar – MR based AE fear.
Frosty Death – CR based 500dmg AE combined with Cancel Magic (one slot debuff).
Complete Heal – Starts casting at 35%?
• One junk buff in your first slot, whether it's Yualp, Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring, Spyglass, etc. to counteract the dispel.
• Get MR/CR resists stacked as high as you can, primarily MR.
• Push when she begins to CH.


a Dracoliche
Lvl 53
Dragon Roar – MR based AE fear.
Rotting Flesh – DR based 100dmg AE combined a 100dmg per tick dot, lasts 9 ticks.
• Get MR are high as you can, ignore the dot @ lvl 60.


Cazic Thule
Lvl 55
Gravity Flux – AE gravity flux combined with Cancel Magic (one slot debuff).
Death Touch – Death Touch 30 sec recast.
• One junk buff in your first slot, whether it's Yualp, Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring, Spyglass, etc. to counteract the dispel.
• Levitate or DMF to counteract the gravity flux damage.


Innoruuk
Lvl 55
Gravity Flux – AE gravity flux combined with Cancel Magic (one slot debuff).
Death Touch – Death Touch 30 sec recast.
• One junk buff in your first slot, whether it's Yualp, Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring, Spyglass, etc. to counteract the dispel.
• Laugh at Innoruuk dying.


Venril Sathir
Lvl 55
Deadly Lifetap – 1500dmg single target lifetap proc.
• Tanks get chain runed.


Trakanon
Lvl 65
Deadly Lifetap - 1500dmg single target lifetap proc.
Poison Breath - PR based 1200dmg AE combined a 150dmg per tick dot, lasts 9 ticks.
Trakanon's Touch - Teleport to -1283, -117, -175 in Sebilis. Cast on the highest person on the aggro list at the time of cast. Recast is approx. 30 seconds.
• Get PR as high as you can. Poison Resist, Talisman of Shadoo (SHM group buff), Dead Man Floating, all stack.
• Main tank group for “shroom” tank should consist of SK, MT, CLR, CLR, BRD, MAG. SK engages first, raid follows, SK gets “shroomed” aka Trakanon's Touch, MT takes over tanking, MAG Call of the Hero's the SK back. Success.


Severilous
Lvl 60
Dragon Roar – MR based AE fear.
Ceticious Cloud – PR based 600dmg AE combined with an 8 second stun.
• Fight at the DRU succor spot.
• Get PR/MR as high as you can.
• Let Dravingar run around chasing Severilous' pet like a fool.


Talendor
Lvl 60
Dragon Roar – MR based AE fear.
Immolating Breath – FR based 500dmg AE combined with a 100dmg per tick dot.
• Fight at the Overthere zoneline/ramp area.
• Get FR/MR as high as you can.
• BRD does the initial pull drags it past the raid as a MNK or SK pulls it off the BRD. Make sure to feign pop to clear aggro from the train.


Gorenaire
Lvl 60
Dragon Roar – MR based AE fear.
Freezing Breath – CR based 750dmg AE combined with a 70% slow.
Complete Heal – Starts casting at 35%?
• Fight at the on the Karnor side of the Dreadlands tunnel.
• Get CR/MR as high as you can.
• BRD does the initial pull drags in Gorenaire from the East, let Gorenaire come to the raid, not vice versa. All melee/casters stack and push together during CH.
• After you are done buffing open up your first two buff slots. This will allow Gorenaire's fear + dot to occupy your first two slots and enable you do dispel using one of the following methods:
MELEE ONLY:
• Duel dispel – You duel a friend and macro a hotkey to tell them “/tell Soandso DISPEL”, thus preventing you from ever staying dotted for more than a few seconds. A common problem is that your friend is getting feared.
• Staff of Runes – MAG drops Staff of Runes on the ground near where the melee will be engaging Gorenaire. You pick up your first staff and keep it in your inventory. Once Gorenaire is engaged, you position yourself in a way that you will not be running while melee'ing and trying to pick up a staff during the fight. Once you are dotted you target yourself, click your staff from inventory then destroy it all while maintaining steady DPS. If you cannot do this, don't. Save your staff then until Gorenaire goes into CH range and then dispel yourself to ensure maximum DPS during the most crucial point in the fight. If you can in fact manage to keep yourself dispeled without running around lost or sacrificing all of your dps, ensure that you are accounting for the 12second recast. A common mistake is when someone dispels themselves has to move to pick up another staff only to find themselves in a never ending cycle of dispeling and never actually doing damage. Don't let this happen to you. If you are not confident in keeping yourself dispeled with staffs then like it was said earlier, just save your staff for when Gorenaire goes into CH range.
• Bard Group Dispel – Bards can Cancel Magic (one slot debuff) their entire group. If you follow protocol and remove your first two buffs before engaging Gorenaire this method also work. Please make sure you are dispeling your group and not Gorenaire.


Faydedar
Lvl 54
Dragon Roar – MR based AE fear.
Immolating Breath – FR based 500dmg AE combined with a 100dmg per tick dot.
• Fight at the Chessboard.
• One junk buff in your first slot, whether it's Yualp, Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring, Spyglass, etc. to counteract the dispel.
• Get MR/FR resists stacked as high as you can, primarily MR.

Uaellaen
06-30-2011, 12:20 PM
dude azerel...

baalzy
06-30-2011, 12:29 PM
Nice.

Skope
06-30-2011, 12:37 PM
whoawhoa, it was azzbad?

mind=blown.

I'm sort of glad you dont listen to pissy players like uuallaenn, but i'm disappointed you flamed me anonymously and didnt bitch to me in person (you know, like you did before).

Uaellaen
06-30-2011, 12:43 PM
wtf is a pissy player, did i accidently urinate on your head?

bluejam
06-30-2011, 12:47 PM
Hehe, if you can't come up wtih your own strats / info, steal from someone that slays the dwagon with ease.

Skope
06-30-2011, 12:51 PM
wtf is a pissy player, did i accidently urinate on your head?

no... i mean we can take it to RnF but i can just message you. regardless of what i say in private you'll probably share it with your guildies. you're certainly not as bad as some others, though. i'll give you that.

the strats aren't a secret. I've seen you guys doing the rod thing personally and up until last patch (i think?) runes were unnecessary on the tank against VS because NPC procs were still broken.

nice post, though. good info for those who want to try to attempt some of these guys

Duie
06-30-2011, 12:51 PM
Hehe, if you can't come up wtih your own strats / info, steal from someone that slays the dwagon with ease.

this may have held weight 10 to 11 years ago

Ele
06-30-2011, 12:54 PM
is this Really? news?

Francois
06-30-2011, 01:00 PM
• Let Dravingar run around chasing Severilous' pet like a fool.

They know our secret, we're doomed!

Versus
06-30-2011, 01:02 PM
Franswa, I've got a huge e-crush on you. I just thought you should know. I think I just gravitate towards bards. Don't tell Mcbard.

bluejam
06-30-2011, 01:04 PM
this may have held weight 10 to 11 years ago
Looking at other guilds wipe on these mobs says otherwise.

jarshale
06-30-2011, 01:04 PM
Is the info for mobs that were new 12 years ago still secret?

Raz
06-30-2011, 01:06 PM
http://static.images.memegenerator.net/Instances400/8/8332/8532078.jpg

Skope
06-30-2011, 01:07 PM
Looking at other guilds wipe on these mobs says otherwise.

get enough lvl 60s and it goes down, that's the way it's done now. you make it sound like this takes some sort of skill?

Uaellaen
06-30-2011, 01:57 PM
get enough lvl 60s and it goes down, that's the way it's done now. you make it sound like this takes some sort of skill?

it requires attention, as i said in an earlier post ;) wich is something 90% of the people on P99 do not want to, or can not pay ...

bluejam
06-30-2011, 02:53 PM
get enough lvl 60s and it goes down, that's the way it's done now. you make it sound like this takes some sort of skill?
You imply zerging with that first statement, maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's how the last Trak went down - not hating, just stating (I know they prebuffed etc*).
I've never said EQ required massive skill to kill raid targets, yet by observing how badly people play on this server (can't assess a certain %, but I've had my share of PUG and seen other guilds raid) I do have to say that there's some kind of skill involved - maybe it's just common sense that seperates the shitty players from the "good" ones.
Preparation* (gear, buffs, class diversity...), following orders, paying attention like Uu mentioned and a solid knowledge of your class and what you're capable of are certainly more important.

Examples:
Hand / Eye of Veeshan server firsts - no actual skill involved, both factions botted them down with pets, woop-de-doo, great for your epeen.

Some guild had killed Draco with ~14 people on Beta shortly after the extra server went up - which is impressive from my point of view. I wasn't there, but Hobby told us about it while we were clearing Fear.

bakkily
06-30-2011, 02:55 PM
the only thing that takes skill, is to kill soandso named tough mob, with the least amount of people, but i havnt seen a tr raid, and from what ive heard/read, they do it in numbers

azeth
06-30-2011, 03:02 PM
Hand / Eye of Veeshan server firsts - no actual skill involved, both factions botted them down with pets, woop-de-doo, great for your epeen.

You have no conception of how difficult Eye is, and to even identify there was an alternative way to kill her is absurd. Also, try to grasp this - EverQuest in general (not just raiding) takes no skill aside from a few specific nichey circumstances. That said, it takes a lot of effort, and an alternative set of "skills" to coordinate and organize things like EoV attempts/fails and finally successes.

Can we just quit with the "skill" arguement? Do any of you remotely care about how the dragon died as long as your guild was the one to kill it?

baalzy
06-30-2011, 03:07 PM
There is no try, only loot.

Uaellaen
06-30-2011, 03:09 PM
the only thing that takes skill, is to kill soandso named tough mob, with the least amount of people, but i havnt seen a tr raid, and from what ive heard/read, they do it in numbers

you heared wrong, want me to call you to come to the next one? ;)

Skope
06-30-2011, 03:18 PM
You imply zerging with that first statement, maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's how the last Trak went down - not hating, just stating (I know they prebuffed etc*).
I've never said EQ required massive skill to kill raid targets, yet by observing how badly people play on this server (can't assess a certain %, but I've had my share of PUG and seen other guilds raid) I do have to say that there's some kind of skill involved - maybe it's just common sense that seperates the shitty players from the "good" ones.
Preparation* (gear, buffs, class diversity...), following orders, paying attention like Uu mentioned and a solid knowledge of your class and what you're capable of are certainly more important.

Examples:
Hand / Eye of Veeshan server firsts - no actual skill involved, both factions botted them down with pets, woop-de-doo, great for your epeen.

Some guild had killed Draco with ~14 people on Beta shortly after the extra server went up - which is impressive from my point of view. I wasn't there, but Hobby told us about it while we were clearing Fear.

think we had draco down to 1% with 11 people. Was actually 12 people and he would've died but 1 person LD'd and that person was the clincher!

so long as you're not a complete screw-up, EQ is easy and takes little to no skill. if you're playing to brag about how good you are at pvp or what you've done PvE then you should get yourself checked out

Lazortag
06-30-2011, 03:19 PM
So they bragged about killing Gore with 30 people when they were using a blatant exploit? As hasbinbad would say, "oh the irony".

Supaskillz
06-30-2011, 03:22 PM
isn't this info avail in 500 other places?

Doors
06-30-2011, 03:30 PM
Yeah call me in for it. I want to see the mad skill involved in everquest raids.

Trimm
06-30-2011, 03:38 PM
Divinity, Dark Ascension, Divinity, Transatlantic Rampage, _________ ?

Lazortag
06-30-2011, 03:39 PM
Divinity, Dark Ascension, Divinity, Transatlantic Rampage, _________ ?

I see what you did there.

Doors
06-30-2011, 03:39 PM
Someone should just make a guild called 'Mad Skill'. Since all these raids are cutting edge afterall. Deciding if you need to click 1 or 3 at the right time can mean the difference between a wipe or not.

Skope
06-30-2011, 03:45 PM
Someone should just make a guild called 'Mad Skill'. Since all these raids are cutting edge afterall. Deciding if you need to click 1 or 3 at the right time can mean the difference between a wipe or not.

pause 30, doors. I SAID PAUSE THIRTY GODDAMNIT

bluejam
06-30-2011, 04:56 PM
Guess we have to agree to disagree.

booter
06-30-2011, 05:41 PM
So they bragged about killing Gore with 30 people when they were using a blatant exploit? As hasbinbad would say, "oh the irony".

What exploit were we using? I want to know!

Dispelling a dispellable debuff?

Fourthmeal
06-30-2011, 05:43 PM
Exploiters gonna exploit

baalzy
06-30-2011, 05:57 PM
Probably the using duel to dispel the buff, since you can only dispel yourself normally.

Fourthmeal
06-30-2011, 07:29 PM
Probably the using duel to dispel the buff, since you can only dispel yourself normally.

+1 post count

Lazortag
06-30-2011, 07:49 PM
What exploit were we using? I want to know!

Dispelling a dispellable debuff?

While I'm not sure if it was dispel-able at all in classic, what I am sure of is that the strategy takes advantage of the Songs window and the fact that songs don't go to the main buff window here like they did in classic. So you get to have 166 extra MR and 83 CR from bard songs while at the same time being able to dispel detrimental buffs in the top two slots of your main buff window, when you should only be able to do one of those things at most. In classic, either the Bard songs would get dispelled because they'd be occupying those slots in the main buff window, or the Bard would have to begin casting his resist songs really early while those two slots were occupied (and then later clicked off), making this strategy fall apart if ever the Bard has to go afk, or drops a song while they're twisting, or gets feared, etc. If this worked as intended it would also mean that Bards wouldn't be able to play Alenia's Disenchanting Melody at the same time as reliably since they'd have other songs they'd need to flawlessly twist at the same time. Basically, subject to classic conditions, this method would be so complicated and unreliable that you would just default to stacking resists and hoping for the best.

I'm not saying that TR should be punished in any way for this (they aren't the only guild to have used this method anyhow), but that bragging over a 30 person Gore kill is really disingenuous when you had to abuse a flaw with the client to accomplish it.

Probably the using duel to dispel the buff, since you can only dispel yourself normally.

Dueling has nothing to do with it :p

Mcbard
06-30-2011, 09:49 PM
Pretty sure Alenia's Disenchanting Melody is broke.

Lazortag
06-30-2011, 10:04 PM
Pretty sure Alenia's Disenchanting Melody is broke.

It's not really relevant, but according to the last patch notes it was fixed.
edit: nevermind, just kanras said it was fixed next update

Ennoia
06-30-2011, 10:05 PM
the only thing that takes skill, is to kill soandso named tough mob, with the least amount of people, but i havnt seen a tr raid, and from what ive heard/read, they do it in numbers

False statement, at least from my experience. The only times we had the massive zerg force is when 2 other guilds were competing in zone for CT and we wanted to get the pull. Otherwise is was usually less than 40 people, sometimes less than 30, per target.

You're right though, early EQ raiding was all tank and spank, with the only skill required being from people being on the right targets, and healers keeping people up from the AE. Real raid mechanics don't start until much later on, and when they do, the game locked the raid numbers to 54 people per raid.

Amelinda
06-30-2011, 10:11 PM
While I'm not sure if it was dispel-able at all in classic,

it was dispellable on live in classic.

Lazortag
06-30-2011, 10:19 PM
it was dispellable on live in classic.

right, I wasn't sure either way because I never raided, I just know that there was no song window and that the way dispel interacts with songs right now currently makes this strategy much more viable than it would have been in classic (hence my previous post).

gnomishfirework
07-01-2011, 12:03 AM
I never heard those strats (dueling/summined staffs) for gore before. I never fought him till mid-late velious though.