Necromancer Raid Role

[alexandervaccaro]

So I couldn't find any topics on this, and seeing as my necro's about to turn 46 it's about time to ask...

What is the typical role of a necromancer in a raid? Twitchbot/pet damage?

[Ektar]

yez

emergency mezzing, maybe training and FDing stuff. Can pull if you're feeling randy.

[quellren]

Mana Battery and DMF for gravity flux/poison resist. Then you can AFK. You're useless after that.

I suppose you can /pet attack, cause you know that 9dps is gonna really gonna put your raid over the top when its close.

[quellren]

Seriously, re-roll a useful raid character before it's too late.

All you need to raid is Warriors, clerics, monks, a shaman, and a few wizards. Maybe a mage mod rods. You can invite the rogues back after backstab is unfucked (lol)

Every other class is second rate at filling a spot that could go to a real tank, healer/buffer or DPS.

Edit: or go P99 style and invite 40 mages and just chain-pet the fucker down. Haha.

[Dr4z3r]

Seriously, re-roll a useful raid character before it's too late.

All you need to raid is Warriors, clerics, monks, a shaman, and a few wizards. Maybe a mage mod rods. You can invite the rogues back after backstab is unfucked (lol)

Every other class is second rate at filling a spot that could go to a real tank, healer/buffer or DPS.

Edit: or go P99 style and invite 40 mages and just chain-pet the fucker down. Haha.

^ some of the dumbest stuff I've read on these forums.

Raiding without mana-classes (Bard, Nec, Enc) = Just uninstall.

[baalzy]

Necromancers role in a raid is to DPS with your pet & lifetaps, provide mana for clerics/enchanters via twitch, provide spot heals via shadowbond/pact of shadow. Your heals are so efficient it's insane, you can drop shadowbond on a person to heal them for 500 then while it's ticking cast pact of shadow on 2 other people to heal each of them for 320 each and then lifetap back the drained heal with 2 spells. Costing you a total of 420 mana while doing 1120 points of healing and 650 points of damage. All while you're pet is cruising away at 30-40dps (we've parsed it against spiroc lord, lvl 59 necropets will hit 30-40dps against it).

Depending on your level and where you're raiding you can ghetto mez with screaming terror, or else just root mobs off, but you shouldn't ever need to do that unless you're really low on enchanters.

And don't listen to quellren, pet DPS is great on raids, they never pull agro so you can sick them on the mob as soon as your tank starts hitting it without fear, so it can start dpsing 5-10seconds sooner and never have to hide/feign/diebecauseittookhate.

[baalzy]

It's obvious that Quellren has never played a necro, or if he has he is an absolutely god aweful one and that he's never been grouped with a good necro either.

[Slave]

Mana Battery and DMF for gravity flux/poison resist. Then you can AFK. You're useless after that.

I suppose you can /pet attack, cause you know that 9dps is gonna really gonna put your raid over the top when its close.

no.

^ some of the dumbest stuff I've read on these forums.

Raiding without mana-classes (Bard, Nec, Enc) = Just uninstall.

yes.

It's obvious that Quellren has never played a necro, or if he has he is an absolutely god aweful one and that he's never been grouped with a good necro either.

yes.

Necromancers role in a raid is to DPS with your pet & lifetaps, provide mana for clerics/enchanters via twitch, provide spot heals via shadowbond/pact of shadow. Your heals are so efficient it's insane, you can drop shadowbond on a person to heal them for 500 then while it's ticking cast pact of shadow on 2 other people to heal each of them for 320 each and then lifetap back the drained heal with 2 spells. Costing you a total of 420 mana while doing 1120 points of healing and 650 points of damage. All while you're pet is cruising away at 30-40dps (we've parsed it against spiroc lord, lvl 59 necropets will hit 30-40dps against it).

Depending on your level and where you're raiding you can ghetto mez with screaming terror, or else just root mobs off, but you shouldn't ever need to do that unless you're really low on enchanters.

And don't listen to quellren, pet DPS is great on raids, they never pull agro so you can sick them on the mob as soon as your tank starts hitting it without fear, so it can start dpsing 5-10seconds sooner and never have to hide/feign/diebecauseittookhate.

yes.

The reason that necromancers are astounding raiders is that they have some of the the highest dps at the absolute lowest rates of resist in the game, making them utterly irreplacable against high-resist mobs such as RAID TARGETS.

[Ostros]

The reason that necromancers are astounding raiders is that they have some of the the highest dps at the absolute lowest rates of resist in the game, making them utterly irreplacable against high-resist mobs such as RAID TARGETS.

And if you wipe, guess who's saving your ass from a difficult CR?

Necromancers are the raid's Swiss Pocket Knife, along with Bards.

[Nirgon]

Feign death + essence emerald rez.

[Tiggles]

Seriously, re-roll a useful raid character before it's too late.

All you need to raid is Warriors, clerics, monks, a shaman, and a few wizards. Maybe a mage mod rods. You can invite the rogues back after backstab is unfucked (lol)

Every other class is second rate at filling a spot that could go to a real tank, healer/buffer or DPS.

Edit: or go P99 style and invite 40 mages and just chain-pet the fucker down. Haha.


You're P bad at this game bro

[Ostros]

Feign death + essence emerald rez.

Yep. FD, shake aggro, rez a cleric or two, twitch'em, and done.

[Hobby]

Necro's are quite useful. Having a number of them means more healing and more daamage....granted you definately don't want them to be the bulk of your force, but having more than 3 on every raid is highly beneficial.

[Nirgon]

Necro's are quite useful. Having a number of them means more healing and more daamage....granted you definately don't want them to be the bulk of your force, but having more than 3 on every raid is highly beneficial.

You can spam lifetap dragons or other aoe encounters, stay up and not need healing. Are you willing to trade 200-300 damage per cast for not needing heals (with good resists)?

For the players with any kind of forethought, "broken" classes will still be brought to raids so they can be geared for when they are fixed.

Your class's ability to kill fast chain pulling at solb pit/royals in no way dictates your class's overall usefulness and role. Many people here who've replied to the caster threads seem to think this.

There's a reason I don't think members of prominent raid guilds are discussing this actively here :P.

Yep. FD, shake aggro, rez a cleric or two, twitch'em, and done.

This kills zero greater kobolds, get a clue! Most groups will just laugh at you!

[Ostros]

You can spam lifetap dragons or other aoe encounters, stay up and not need healing. Are you willing to trade 200-300 damage per cast for not needing heals (with good resists)?

For the players with any kind of forethought, "broken" classes will still be brought to raids so they can be geared for when they are fixed.

Your class's ability to kill fast chain pulling at solb pit/royals in no way dictates your class's overall usefulness and role. Many people here who've replied to the caster threads seem to think this.

There's a reason I don't think members of prominent raid guilds are discussing this actively here :P.



This kills zero greater kobolds, get a clue! Most groups will just laugh at you!

http://i.imgur.com/Bq8nz.gif

[Nirgon]

Yeah someone's head spun and exploded, I'm a bad multitasker poster.

There's some real truth to be found in there.

[Kassel]

You can spam lifetap dragons or other aoe encounters, stay up and not need healing. Are you willing to trade 200-300 damage per cast for not needing heals (with good resists)?



He means they heal others, not that they require more healing themselves...

[Hobby]

^ Kassel is mostly correct, my real meaning was twitch though. Suppose i should of added something about mana to clerics in there :p

[quellren]

To all the scrubs above:

Nah I'm not bad, I just realized that necros are a wasted raid spot if you have competent players and quit at 56 after spectating too many raids where my presence was completely extraneous. I now happily regularly contribute to a raid force as a contributory class.

Seriously, necros: do you truly enjoy bombing all your mana and HP onto OTHER RAIDERS, and being the 'oh shit button' to FD and /q when shit goes badly? Even then your job is to be the clerics bitch. Blow a 500+ pp essence emerald rezzing a cleric so the 'real classes' can get back up and the raid can continue? LoL Suckers.

Some of you should really try raiding with less batteries and more DPS. It's P awesome.

[Stormhowl]

Seriously, necros: do you truly enjoy bombing all your mana and HP onto OTHER RAIDERS, and being the 'oh shit button' to FD and /q when shit goes badly? Even then your job is to be the clerics bitch. Blow a 500+ pp essence emerald rezzing a cleric so the 'real classes' can get back up and the raid can continue? LoL Suckers.

Some of you should really try raiding with less batteries and more DPS. It's P awesome.

1) Your experiences, preferences, and opinions on a class and what is or is not enjoyable about it do not reflect the opinions of others, and some people may *GASP!* find something fun where you find no enjoyment at all. Such as being a mana battery, spot healer, and the like.

2) I can't remember a time in ANY MMO I've ever played where the cost of an ability (e.g., Essence Emeralds) or consumable (e.g., potions) was solely on the person playing the class and not up to the guild to help cover the costs of at least a few for raiding purposes only. If the guild isn't helping to front the costs of Sacrifices (or providing sacrifices themselves) and still expects the Necromancer to rez during a raid CR, then the guild is doing its own members a disservice, and it becomes less about "us", which is what a guild should be about.

3) Calling people "scrubs" because you have a differing viewpoint is both counter-productive to making your point, and immature. Why are such jabs at people necessary?

*ahem* At any rate, with the limited experience I had with raiding (PoFear for my Shaman epic, some Chardok raids), Necros were, as others have said, the "swiss army knife". Spot healing, ghetto mez, and mana battery to help make things smoother, while at the same time putting out some DPS through pet and Lifetaps. They're far from useless in a raid setting, IMO, but my experience is... limited. :P

[Nagash]

To all the scrubs above:

Nah I'm not bad, I just realized that necros are a wasted raid spot if you have competent players and quit at 56 after spectating too many raids where my presence was completely extraneous. I now happily regularly contribute to a raid force as a contributory class.

Seriously, necros: do you truly enjoy bombing all your mana and HP onto OTHER RAIDERS, and being the 'oh shit button' to FD and /q when shit goes badly? Even then your job is to be the clerics bitch. Blow a 500+ pp essence emerald rezzing a cleric so the 'real classes' can get back up and the raid can continue? LoL Suckers.

Some of you should really try raiding with less batteries and more DPS. It's P awesome.

What you say is like saying "driving with a safety belt on is for suckers" (and that's assuming necro's sole role is fd - rez, which it isn't). Good luck on the roads bro.

[Bubbles]

Baalzy absolutely nailed this out of the park, but i'll add two small tidbits.

1. ) Necros shine the brightest in smaller raids. For example, taking a couple groups into Fearplane or Hateplane post-50, having a pair of necros twitching, bi-pactings, bonding, and dpsing not only will shed all concept of downtime (outside of smoke breaks), Clerics will seriously load nukes out of sheer boredom once buffs are done.

2. ) Expanding on the small-raid idea, along with all the pre-kunark raiding madness, necros do one thing that *NO* other class can : heal people kiting adds, and simply feigning off any potential aggro, allowing the kiter to continue his kite without ever needing to slow down or (thank god) re-aggro any of the train off a healer.

Believe me when i say that knowing your necro role on a raid will get you on the xmas list of any druid/bard/ranger/monk whatever stuck with kite duty.

[Tiggles]

Also Spectre pets are hella cool.

[baalzy]

Also Spectre pets are hella cool.

[jarshale]

Also Spectre pets are hella cool.

[Dr4z3r]

Also Spectre pets are hella cool.

[alexandervaccaro]

Also Spectre pets are hella cool.

haha this might be why I chose necro in the first place.

Thanks for all your info guys, I'm looking forward to my first planar raid on Munkk.

Quellren man, you know, that's like, your opinion man-

[quellren]

LoL.

Yeah I know Necro's are valuable raid assets. I posted that stuff yesterday when I was drunk and pissy over logging my 20th hour at Dhamphyre with no cloak drop. I also got trained twice by nosy bitches looking in on my camp.

I just felt like stirring some shit up and some of you got your moist panties all in a twist over it. haha. Trolling is fun. I might do this more often.

[baalzy]

LoL.

Yeah I know Necro's are valuable raid assets. I posted that stuff yesterday when I was drunk and pissy over logging my 20th hour at Dhamphyre with no cloak drop. I also got trained twice by nosy bitches looking in on my camp.

I just felt like stirring some shit up and some of you got your moist panties all in a twist over it. haha. Trolling is fun. I might do this more often.


Professional troll job.

You can ease the pain of the Dhamphyre camp by running up and sniping the Diamondine earring mob between pop if noone has it camped. (just spam-click back on your pet while you nuke it down, so the pet doesnt pull a huge train trying to come defend you)

[Seaweedpimp]

To all the scrubs above:

Nah I'm not bad, I just realized that necros are a wasted raid spot if you have competent players and quit at 56 after spectating too many raids where my presence was completely extraneous. I now happily regularly contribute to a raid force as a contributory class.

Seriously, necros: do you truly enjoy bombing all your mana and HP onto OTHER RAIDERS, and being the 'oh shit button' to FD and /q when shit goes badly? Even then your job is to be the clerics bitch. Blow a 500+ pp essence emerald rezzing a cleric so the 'real classes' can get back up and the raid can continue? LoL Suckers.

Some of you should really try raiding with less batteries and more DPS. It's P awesome.

LOL i hope none of these yound necros read this. What a pile of shit you spew.


You're garbage brother, plain and simple.

[Seaweedpimp]

LoL.

Yeah I know Necro's are valuable raid assets. I posted that stuff yesterday when I was drunk and pissy over logging my 20th hour at Dhamphyre with no cloak drop. I also got trained twice by nosy bitches looking in on my camp.

I just felt like stirring some shit up and some of you got your moist panties all in a twist over it. haha. Trolling is fun. I might do this more often.

If you were a necro this would of never been a problem.

Lol... So bad.

[Badmartigan]

LOL i hope none of these yound necros read this. What a pile of shit you spew.


You're garbage brother, plain and simple.

QFT

[Amelinda]

Seriously, re-roll a useful raid character before it's too late.

All you need to raid is Warriors, clerics, monks, a shaman, and a few wizards. Maybe a mage mod rods. You can invite the rogues back after backstab is unfucked (lol)

Every other class is second rate at filling a spot that could go to a real tank, healer/buffer or DPS.

Edit: or go P99 style and invite 40 mages and just chain-pet the fucker down. Haha.

Because bards are useless...it's not like they get manasong for clerics or resist son- oh wait....

Who wants an enchanter sucking up space on their raid...it's not like they can mez stuff or cast clarity for faster mana rege--


Maybe your assumptions are wrong :/

[quellren]

It's hilarious how many necromancers are furiously posting in this threat because I made some tongue-in-cheek comments.

I think you're just butthurt because you don't want the secret to get out.
Shouldn't you assholes be locking down every valuable camp in the game in a herculean effort to extort plat from oh, say, everyone else?

Raiding is not your place. Farming and being a cock-bite is your place.

[Ostros]

It's hilarious how many necromancers are furiously posting in this threat because I made some tongue-in-cheek comments.

I think you're just butthurt because you don't want the secret to get out.
Shouldn't you assholes be locking down every valuable camp in the game in a herculean effort to extort plat from oh, say, everyone else?

Raiding is not your place. Farming and being a cock-bite is your place.

Our place is everywhere, doing anything we want. Keep talking that smack broah. We get to be smug in the end.

[Doors]

Necros are fine in raids if not excellent.

[Autotune]

you can....

Charm
Mez
mana battery
corpse retrieve
buff
pull
dps
pet dps
FD afk
train
and much more useless stuff, like heal some hps.

I was perhaps one of the worst necro's that have ever played on p99 tho.

[Badmartigan]

It's hilarious how many necromancers are furiously posting in this threat because I made some tongue-in-cheek comments.

I think you're just butthurt because you don't want the secret to get out.
Shouldn't you assholes be locking down every valuable camp in the game in a herculean effort to extort plat from oh, say, everyone else?

Raiding is not your place. Farming and being a cock-bite is your place.

the 12 year old secret that the only NECESSARY classes for raids are tank/cleric/shm and sometimes enc ?

Attention whore got his attention /clap

[Messianic]

Shouldn't you assholes be locking down every valuable camp in the game in a herculean effort to extort plat from oh, say, everyone else?

Clearly Necros are the epitome of the Bourgeoisie oppressor.

[jarshale]

We must rise up against the necromancers my proletariat comrades!

[Nagash]

We must rise up against the necromancers my proletariat comrades!

Woopdeedoo,it's not everyday that we have the opportunity to create a whole army of the dead in one go. The more of you, the merrier.

My fellow practioners of the dark arts, sharpen your quills and prepare some parchment, we've got some work coming our way.

Nagash