Spell SPAs change for procs

[Stonewallx39]

Reading through patch notes and wondering if someone smarter than me can help decipher the aggro changes. Do these effect characters that cannot cast the spell (Warriors)?

Also what’s a SPA? My guess is “Spell proc aggro?” But that doesn’t seem right.

Rogean: for spell SPAs: AC/Atk Debuff, Snare, Slow, Blind, Stun, Fear, Spinstun, Charm, Mez.
Rogean: The SPA above are capped at 1200 aggro, or 400 if the player is not high enough level to use the spell (Ex: Procs).
Rogean: Removed an overall spell cap of 400 aggro if player was not high enough level for the spell. This is instead capped per SPA Above

If these do affect warrior procs am I reading this right that a debuff proc (like https://wiki.project1999.com/Frostbite_(Spell from Frostbringer) might have more aggro then a poison counter proc (https://wiki.project1999.com/Infestation)?

[Homesteaded]

Anecdotally I can say last night my aggro with my FB felt better.

[Stonewallx39]

Well re-reading it says “or 400 if the player is not high enough IE procs” so nvm I think probably no change.

[ScruffMacBuff]

The way I read it, the 400 aggro cap for procs (before DD) is still there, and Frostbringer already hit that cap. The effect may have lost some aggro even.

Without more testing I can't be sure, but I think this will affect casters more than warriors.

If aggro went down on all these effects though, it's a big buff to war epic, especially the 2h version with riposte getting swing aggro now.

[Allishia]

So far only combo that holds agro safely is Red Blade + Nev horn...even epic 2hander is too slow and if no procs it sucks. All other procs seem crappy, I've proced trident x2 and it went right to melee like I didn't even proc..

Even the nev horn proc doesn't seem to help, but the swing agro is good enough to sustain to cover till red blade procs.

I think maybe its a bug that other weps dont agro at all..hoping they fix it. Tried many vp weps, feverblade is pretty much zero agro now lol.

Shaman/enc slow is crazy agro too. I only call my proc message on red blade procs, since its only one that seems to matter now.

[Stonewallx39]

I think maybe its a bug that other weps dont agro at all..hoping they fix it. Tried many vp weps, feverblade is pretty much zero agro now lol.

This is a scary update, my war has been chilling at scout since the last patch so I haven’t tested much. Hopefully this is not the intention and devs can fix if it’s confirmed.

[ScruffMacBuff]

Yeah this would effectively kill war aggro for anyone with no epic. Shouldn't be that way at all.

[zelld52]

Yeah this would effectively kill war aggro for anyone with no epic. Shouldn't be that way at all.

All aggro. Disease cloud spam does not work anymore. Flash of Light loses aggro as soon as blind wears off. Stun aggro doesn't hold.

While levelling --> Rogues are new main tanks, because nobody can peel aggro off anymore without a root

[Crede]

All aggro. Disease cloud spam does not work anymore. Flash of Light loses aggro as soon as blind wears off. Stun aggro doesn't hold.

While levelling --> Rogues are new main tanks, because nobody can peel aggro off anymore without a root

Pallies can root bruh

[zelld52]

Pallies can root bruh

Well guess Pallies are the only tanks that can group with rogues now

[ScruffMacBuff]

I hear shadow vortex and snare are still good, but that doesn't help pallies.

The patch notes specifically mention reducing unintended aggro from the Ykesha proc, which mostly comes from the micro stun. I'm wondering if it affected all stun aggro. Could be a nice wiz buff.

How is willsapper right now?

[Stonewallx39]

I was playing on low lvl shaman and tanking for group. Definitely had trouble keeping aggro off rogue with low lvl slow spam ( ever bought flash of light lol).

[Ghost of Starman]

Excellent reason to invite druids / rangers to party to handle rooting duties.

[Philistine]

So far only combo that holds agro safely is Red Blade + Nev horn...even epic 2hander is too slow and if no procs it sucks. All other procs seem crappy, I've proced trident x2 and it went right to melee like I didn't even proc..

Even the nev horn proc doesn't seem to help, but the swing agro is good enough to sustain to cover till red blade procs.

I think maybe its a bug that other weps dont agro at all..hoping they fix it. Tried many vp weps, feverblade is pretty much zero agro now lol.

Shaman/enc slow is crazy agro too. I only call my proc message on red blade procs, since its only one that seems to matter now.

I'm surprised to hear this! I tanked a few things (not a lot) on both reset and quake and felt like things were behaving normally. The other warriors in Guild also seemed to be holding agro like normal.

I know members of your guild have spent a lot of time in the past testing this stuff. Any idea if they're planning to do more now that stuff seems to have been changed?

[Allishia]

I'm surprised to hear this! I tanked a few things (not a lot) on both reset and quake and felt like things were behaving normally. The other warriors in Guild also seemed to be holding agro like normal.

I know members of your guild have spent a lot of time in the past testing this stuff. Any idea if they're planning to do more now that stuff seems to have been changed?

They were testing a bit last night. Only a tiny bit though cause detox went afk and I had to go. Grain of salt because we think the agro might scale with mob HP. Really need to test with harder mobs to be sure.

Example, in iceclad. Two flux staff pulled agro off shaman slow.
In cobalt scar it took 5 flux staff to pull agro off shaman slow.
Rough numbers

Willsapper = 127
Trident =200
Feverblade = 100
Red blade = 500
Sod = 200.

Grain of salt, need to do a lot more testing still. /nod

[Philistine]

Understood regarding grain of salt. Thank you for sharing! Those look like pretty major changes!

[Infectious]

Nilbog said that the values on this patch were off and need to be adjusted. Let our lord and savior nilbog fix this up and we will be back to business.

[Allishia]

Nilbog said that the values on this patch were off and need to be adjusted. Let our lord and savior nilbog fix this up and we will be back to business.

I figured they messed something up lol. Where did he say this?

[Infectious]

I figured they messed something up lol. Where did he say this?

He edited his post but is was on the patch notes when people were complaining about aggro. I believe uthgaard also posted in the same thread. Pretty much said aggro was too high on spells, but now it's too low on props and they're fixing it as we speak.

[Allishia]

He edited his post but is was on the patch notes when people were complaining about aggro. I believe uthgaard also posted in the same thread. Pretty much said aggro was too high on spells, but now it's too low on props and they're fixing it as we speak.

Woohoo, might have to get my feverblade out of the bank :)

[Jimjam]

Sounds like they stuck too many zeros on the hp scaler. Xp mobs in the 50s should have more than enough hp to cap hp scaled aggro iirc.*

* i probably don’t

[long.liam]

I personally tested it with my brother and we found that the Hate generated for the SPAs scales with HP. I believe it's roughly MOB HP/15 up to a CAP of 1200 for Spells and 400 for procs per element. Stuns have the 1200 or 400 capped plus any dmg done. Flash of Light has two SPAs, AC debuff, plus blind which should be 2400 hate on a 18,000+ HP Mob. Need to do more testing when I have time. Wess was generating about 1200 Hate on the high HP mob. Lines up with my theory because the Blinding Poison III has 3 effects, Blind, AC Debuff, and 4 Poison counters.

[long.liam]

Reading through patch notes and wondering if someone smarter than me can help decipher the aggro changes. Do these effect characters that cannot cast the spell (Warriors)?

Also what’s a SPA? My guess is “Spell proc aggro?” But that doesn’t seem right.

Rogean: for spell SPAs: AC/Atk Debuff, Snare, Slow, Blind, Stun, Fear, Spinstun, Charm, Mez.
Rogean: The SPA above are capped at 1200 aggro, or 400 if the player is not high enough level to use the spell (Ex: Procs).
Rogean: Removed an overall spell cap of 400 aggro if player was not high enough level for the spell. This is instead capped per SPA Above

If these do affect warrior procs am I reading this right that a debuff proc (like https://wiki.project1999.com/Frostbite_(Spell from Frostbringer) might have more aggro then a poison counter proc (https://wiki.project1999.com/Infestation)?

I googled it. SPA from what I could find, means SPell Affect. Here is two links that verify this: https://everquest.fanra.info/wiki/SPA_list & https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjdnoHUyqP8AhUCRDABHXFVAHoQFnoECA8QAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.daybreakgames.com%2Feq%2Fi ndex.php%3Fthreads%2Fspa-list-stackability.205189%2F&usg=AOvVaw2A1Hv8gqN6OCvx7RKiEkhc

[Ooloo]

Patch notes for this were kind of hard to parse if you aren't a p99 or eqemu dev.

That being said I was in a 6 hour karnor's hands group last night as a 57 war dual wielding a wavecrasher and frostbringer and really didn't have much trouble with aggro honestly. Had an ench in group, two monks a rogue and a druid healing.

[Homesteaded]

As an up and coming warrior who is using FB and Sarnak Warhammer, this stuff has made me balk at upgrading threat.

How is infestation performing? Wavecrasher? Looking to upgrade asap.

[zelld52]

As an up and coming warrior who is using FB and Sarnak Warhammer, this stuff has made me balk at upgrading threat.

How is infestation performing? Wavecrasher? Looking to upgrade asap.

Nothing will peel aggro off of a rogue. Only root and proximity aggro.

Infestation cannot hold aggro anymore. Wavecrasher does not hold aggro anymore.

[Stonewallx39]

As an up and coming warrior who is using FB and Sarnak Warhammer, this stuff has made me balk at upgrading threat.

How is infestation performing? Wavecrasher? Looking to upgrade asap.

Infestation seems to be causing the same amount of aggro or better since patch. I’ve always felt wave crasher was way overrated. Just go for infestation mainhand and frostbringer OH until NToV

[ScruffMacBuff]

I loved my wavecrasher when I used it, but certainly haven't since the patch.

[Allishia]

Counters got nerfed. Feverblade, infestation are all junk now. So forget poison and disease based procs.

The procs are based on mobs HP as well, not mob level.

All procs are capped at 400, nothing except war epic is higher than 400

Epic is 600 on red blade, 675 on 2hander but ratio much better using the 1hand with fastest offhand you can get.

Disregard numbers from before, the low HP mob test don't count. Best test mob is the turtle with billion HP.

Swing agro is best for offhand so nev horn wins by a large amount. And red blade proc is best by far....that's all I got..

[Homesteaded]

One guy says infestation is better now, one says it can’t keep aggro. What’s going on here?

[Allishia]

One guy says infestation is better now, one says it can’t keep aggro. What’s going on here?

Their dps probably aren't using vulak daggers and eashen claws lol...some dps generate way more agro than others.

Best way to test for yourself is the turtle in iceclad, not Lodi but the green one that has 5 billion hps. Get a wizard with flux staff, proc, see how many flux staffs to click it off you, then deduct the swing agro to find proc amount
This turtle great for test
https://wiki.project1999.com/Corudoth

[Jimjam]

Their dps probably aren't using vulak daggers and eashen claws lol...some dps generate way more agro than others.

Best way to test for yourself is the turtle in iceclad, not Lodi but the green one that has 5 billion hps. Get a wizard with flux staff, proc, see how many flux staffs to click it off you, then deduct the swing agro to find proc amount
This turtle great for test
https://wiki.project1999.com/Corudoth

You tested off hand aggro bonus is still in?

[Allishia]

You tested off hand aggro bonus is still in?

Yes it's still awesome thank God lol

[Danth]

Mainly, the important thing with respect to the current patch is that there's little difference between most weapon effects, aside from the Warrior epic, and as such overall ratio wins. Well, that, and get used to gobbling at your rogues to use evade on cooldown.

Do not throw away your former aggro weapons just yet. We have reason to believe the current setup is a work in progress and we'll see more changes in the future, although *when* is anyone's guess.

Danth

[Allishia]

Yes, we are hoping they fix it in a good way not in a bad way, so don't delete your feverblade =P

[Philistine]

Their dps probably aren't using vulak daggers and eashen claws lol...some dps generate way more agro than others.

Best way to test for yourself is the turtle in iceclad, not Lodi but the green one that has 5 billion hps. Get a wizard with flux staff, proc, see how many flux staffs to click it off you, then deduct the swing agro to find proc amount
This turtle great for test
https://wiki.project1999.com/Corudoth

Oooo the Flux staff clicks are a great idea! Any idea how much agro per click? I guess I could just math that out too, now that I think about it...

[PatChapp]

Oooo the Flux staff clicks are a great idea! Any idea how much agro per click? I guess I could just math that out too, now that I think about it...

Flux stuff is assumed 50/click

[Philistine]

Flux stuff is assumed 50/click

Understood. Thank you!

[long.liam]

Understood. Thank you!

Egh. I would't bother with flux staff. I just use nukes to test spell/proc hate. Flux staff should be 20 hate though. 10 hate per resist debuff. I don't see benefit of using it over nukes though.

[Ooloo]

Wavecrasher still turns mobs to me in pickup groups whenever it procs and usually holds it fine. Plus I mean it's a slow, so it's a valuable proc to have in many settings even if aggro is nerfed. Still might wanna hold off on buying one though cause I really don't think they're worth 20k anymore without the aggro. Still great to have though.

[bobjonesp99]

from what i heard they changed things and then fixed some things they broke. as far as i know for warriors, only the 400 hate from SPA counters (disease/poison) have been removed. otherwise agro is working as before (for warrior procs). is this not correct? i havent had any issues or noticed any material difference tanking with willsapper and red blade.

[Philistine]

I haven't had the time to test yet but anecdotally I feel like Trident is working like normal recently. Guildies who have it have been continuing to use it with pretty normal looking results.

I haven't tanked a ton but I feel like when I have things have gone pretty normally recently?

[arc]

Well guess Pallies are the only tanks that can group with rogues now

finally my time to shine