Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen?

[klant]

Anyone heard anything on this MMO in the works? Apparently Brad McQuaid was helping with it? Looks like they have the same classes/races as EQ as well.. Haven't heard much about it, but I know a lot of people are looking for some type of EQ replacement.

[ol chew]

o shit whatup man

[Encroaching Death]

Monsters & Memories will come out first and will be better imo

[klant]

heyo chewie! not shit man, just on my quarterly check in to the boards to see if a new server has been announced. hope all is well! looks like you're still #1 pvper! was checking out your tiktok collection the other day lol

[klant]

Monsters & Memories will come out first and will be better imo

mmm? This is the first i've heard of it. looks interesting from the website. One of the pictures looks like Qeynos, and the skeleton kind of looks like one of the newer EQ models. will keep an eye out for it, and look into it a bit more.

[Rick Sanchez]

Monsters & Memories will come out first and will be better imo

He's not wrong, pantheon finally hit pre alpha very recently after all these years.

[magnetaress]

Technically they will release a "game". Avoiding lawsuits and millions in fraud.

(Lol)

[Uton]

Anyone heard anything on this MMO in the works? Apparently Brad McQuaid was helping with it? Looks like they have the same classes/races as EQ as well.. Haven't heard much about it, but I know a lot of people are looking for some type of EQ replacement.

died with brad. half the sell on this shit was brad developing it

[Lampolo]

Looks like shitty Vanguard clone at best. More like shitty scam

[Lifebar]

Monsters & Memories will come out first and will be better imo

[A Knight]

It was bad times when Everquest died. And Wow was the Anti-Christ spawn, opposite of Everquest.

So, it took me a long time to imagine a casual Mmmorpg being good. The same as when online video games first came out, they were all awesome. Then online games crashed to crap. It took me a long time to accept some mediocre games, because of how bad online games crashed. (Not speaking just of EQ right here.)

But eventually I started to like other games. I had a dream of Everquest 3, released as a casually Mmorpg and it felt fun. Then I decided, why do Everquest 3, when we could do Pantheon.

I hope for the best for them. I could have just had EQ taken away so many times, I feel like I could play classic EQ forever. But I still wish them best.

[cd288]

They’re moving right along. Conducting pre alpha tests currently hopefully we’ll get some alpha sometime next year

[A Knight]

I think every normal human wants to enjoy something created by someone amazing, or group of people or company. With a "New!" sticker on it from Best Buy. However, there is going to come a day (If we make it to a time period of many good video games.) where the thought of the creation of anything, is random.

Thats one thing I like about Pantheon. Aren't they using an auto dungeon creator? Maybe I heard wrong.

I think an auto dungeon creator could sometimes create the feel of that New Best Buy feeling.

I mean to get an idea of creating a new dungeon.

[Deuces]

I think there are enough fans that would pay for a game that still needed work. We did it with Vanguard and most of us understand now that paying 15 bucks a month and playing the game while they continue to tweak it isn't a big deal. I personally would. So just get it released so you can make some money and continue to improve it.

[A Knight]

First let me say, I realize Crushbone might have been created with lack of technology.

I could get into tube linear dungeons. Wow tube linear dungeons were very bad quality, where it was just walking through a line, mindlessly pressing the button patterns.

But I hope in Pantheon there are some dungeons like Crushbone. Where you zone in, and you feel like you are in an actual place. The zone is square, so it has maximized room to add more places. And you feel like, "This must be where it's at."

Or that you can tell, this is the Orcs hide out/castle. They really must not like the elves because they have been backed into a corner.

[bigfun]

died with brad. half the sell on this shit was brad developing it

damn this is how i found out he died... sad

[magnetaress]

ya BIG rips :(

[Bisonzabi]

died with brad. half the sell on this shit was brad developing it

Game was already in development for 5+ years by the time Brad passed. This was dead the moment it never met its scamstarter quota back when it was announced in early 2014.

[Duik]

damn this is how i found out he died... sad

Still big fun?

[loramin]

Thats one thing I like about Pantheon. Aren't they using an auto dungeon creator? Maybe I heard wrong.

I think an auto dungeon creator could sometimes create the feel of that New Best Buy feeling.

It's been a long time, but didn't Lost Dungeons of Norath use "auto dungeon creators"? If so, I think those auto dungeons lost their "New Best Buy feeling" pretty fast.

I'm not saying Pantheon can't make a better one that LDoN did, but just, procedurally-generated content is no magic panacea for newness.

[Encroaching Death]

It's been a long time, but didn't Lost Dungeons of Norath use "auto dungeon creators"? If so, I think those auto dungeons lost their "New Best Buy feeling" pretty fast.

I'm not saying Pantheon can't make a better one that LDoN did, but just, procedurally-generated content is no magic panacea for newness.

Agreed.

...but what about player-made dungeons?

Think about how popular custom maps are on Counter Strike or Happy Wheels or Roblox.

Could be an interesting thing.

[loramin]

Agreed. There's still a huge difference between artificial and human intelligence, and the very last thing AI will catch up on is creativity.

[A Knight]

It's been a long time, but didn't Lost Dungeons of Norath use "auto dungeon creators"? If so, I think those auto dungeons lost their "New Best Buy feeling" pretty fast.

I'm not saying Pantheon can't make a better one that LDoN did, but just, procedurally-generated content is no magic panacea for newness.

I could play both honestly. As long as its fun. :D

[A Knight]

I mostly meant, if there is too much pressure to make a master craft created world. Then auto create a dungeon. This may lessen the burden of the pressure, of making a perfect world. Especially if there is pressure to surpass classic Everquest. Just an idea /shrugs. You could be right.

Not one Dungeon that changes every time. That would probably be not fun. Unless the Mmo was specifically known, and designed for that.

[Bisonzabi]

EQ2 introduced player made dungeons back in 2011. Spoiler: Nobody used it.

[loramin]

EQ2 introduced player made dungeons back in 2011. Spoiler: Nobody used it.

LOL to be fair though, hardly anyone used EQ2 ;) WoW was just a little bit more popular.

[Secrets]

EQ2 introduced player made dungeons back in 2011. Spoiler: Nobody used it.

People used it in the way it was most efficient because EQ2 also optimized out all of the fun during that era of the game.

SF / Destiny of Velious / Skyshrine were EQ2's darkest hours in terms of flawed design.

Critical mitigation was awful. The raid encounters had a huge difficulty jump between normal and hard modes. The game basically took the entire itemization of EQ2 that had historically worked prior to TSO and shat upon it, removing unique effects from a lot of items on current-tier content.

The game started to add stuff from eq2 extended (the 'f2p server') into the live game like Health Potions that they promised they'd 'never add'.

They saw a ton of raiders quit after Skyshrine into CoE. Then they all but lost a majority of their population into Tears of Veeshan after they fucked up their "Rum Cellar" expansion which just handed out the best gear to everyone who paid for it.

There were problems with the design, but that's because the design sucked, not because the idea of players designing dungeons is a terrible idea.

[Toxigen]

Scamtheon: Boofing Bux

[Swish]

Word has it they updated a few pixels of terrain last week.

[Bisonzabi]

People used it in the way it was most efficient because EQ2 also optimized out all of the fun during that era of the game.

SF / Destiny of Velious / Skyshrine were EQ2's darkest hours in terms of flawed design.

Critical mitigation was awful. The raid encounters had a huge difficulty jump between normal and hard modes. The game basically took the entire itemization of EQ2 that had historically worked prior to TSO and shat upon it, removing unique effects from a lot of items on current-tier content.

The game started to add stuff from eq2 extended (the 'f2p server') into the live game like Health Potions that they promised they'd 'never add'.

They saw a ton of raiders quit after Skyshrine into CoE. Then they all but lost a majority of their population into Tears of Veeshan after they fucked up their "Rum Cellar" expansion which just handed out the best gear to everyone who paid for it.

There were problems with the design, but that's because the design sucked, not because the idea of players designing dungeons is a terrible idea.

No I feel you on the changes with EQ2. I stopped playing it around late 2014 to early 2015. F2P was inevitable unfortunately and even by 2010 you could tell SOE downsized the EQ2 team several times from its peak with EoF-TSO. I still have nostalgia for Sentinels Fate primarily due to the music and atmosphere.
And the Rum Cellar wasn't part of Tears of Veeshan, that was post-Altar of Malice in 2015 when SoE downsized yet again and became DBG.