Can a Paladin start out as Non-KOS to Venril Sathir faction

[Silverback]

Anyone know of Race/Deity combo that allows a Paladin to start out dubious or better to Venril Sathir (Kunark Outpost etc)?

[zelld52]

i think only the "good" deities and races are KoS to outpost. so, high elf is out. dwarf can only be brell serilis, so thats out too.

erudite might be ok. i think prexus is considered "good" but Quellious is neutral.

human, im not sure. i think you can only be rodcet nife, mith marr... but maybe Quellious?

[Jimjam]

Humans can be karana or E Marr too, but surely live is the antithesis of hate?

I don’t think the only problem is deity though. I imagine class is a huge negative modifier when it comes to paladin in over there.

Best bet is a ‘neutral’ race like erud or human and a more esoteric deity choice like ocean lord or lord of storms.

faction mods for race/class/god at Overthere Outpost
318 - Venril Sathir
-75 51 Human
-1000 52 Barbarian
-75 53 Erudite
-1000 54 Wood Elf
-1000 55 High Elf
-75 56 Dark Elf
-1000 57 Half Elf
-1000 58 Dwarf
-75 59 Troll
-75 60 Ogre
-1000 61 Halfling
-75 62 Gnome
-1000 178 Iksar
-1000 180 Vah Shir
-1000 202 Brell Serilis
-1000 204 Erollisi Marr
-5 205 Fizzlethorp
-1000 207 Karana
-1000 208 Mithaniel Marr
-1000 209 Prexus
-1000 210 Quellious
-1000 212 Rodcet Nife
-5 213 Solusek Ro
-1000 214 Tribunal
-1000 215 Tunare
-1000 216 Veeshan
-75 661 Guktan
-75 1106 Drakkin

Thanks to Tadkins

https://pastebin.com/raw/EXkdMT1W

[Encroaching Death]

What's your end goal?

Do you just want to use the outpost in OT?

[Jimjam]

What's your end goal?

Do you just want to use the outpost in OT?

To bring good to a dark place.

Or smuggle a young farm hand offshore Obi Wan style.

[Silverback]

Good info here- I’ll probably send some tells to paladins in-game.

End goal is basically that my characters spend most of their time in Kunark and having the faction helps with OT hammer, Karnor’s Castle, etc

[Toxigen]

this is a pretty weird thing ngl

[Naethyn]

no

[Silverback]

no
Is it something you've tried to do?

[zelld52]

Is it something you've tried to do?

I think all of the available deity choices for Paladin come with a -1000 faction modifier for Venril Sathir

[mycoolrausch]

not even dark elves stay non kos to vs, since the silly faction tanks doing literally anything in kunark.

[Danth]

Paladin factions are relatively similar to each other for the most part. I don't know of a paladin that starts out friendly to Ventil Sathir, and I've tried most of them over the years.

Danth

[Silverback]

Humans can be karana or E Marr too, but surely live is the antithesis of hate?

I don’t think the only problem is deity though. I imagine class is a huge negative modifier when it comes to paladin in over there.

Best bet is a ‘neutral’ race like erud or human and a more esoteric deity choice like ocean lord or lord of storms.

faction mods for race/class/god at Overthere Outpost
318 - Venril Sathir
-75 51 Human
-1000 52 Barbarian
-75 53 Erudite
-1000 54 Wood Elf
-1000 55 High Elf
-75 56 Dark Elf
-1000 57 Half Elf
-1000 58 Dwarf
-75 59 Troll
-75 60 Ogre
-1000 61 Halfling
-75 62 Gnome
-1000 178 Iksar
-1000 180 Vah Shir
-1000 202 Brell Serilis
-1000 204 Erollisi Marr
-5 205 Fizzlethorp
-1000 207 Karana
-1000 208 Mithaniel Marr
-1000 209 Prexus
-1000 210 Quellious
-1000 212 Rodcet Nife
-5 213 Solusek Ro
-1000 214 Tribunal
-1000 215 Tunare
-1000 216 Veeshan
-75 661 Guktan
-75 1106 Drakkin

Thanks to Tadkins

https://pastebin.com/raw/EXkdMT1W


Yeah looks like only Humans/Erudites by race, but all dieties would be KOS either way. thanks for that info

[Jimjam]

Yeah looks like only Humans/Erudites by race, but all dieties would be KOS either way. thanks for that info

For a variety of reasons don’t take those numbers as gospel for how things will be on this emu. They’re usually a good rough guide but often not spot on.

[Philistine]

Anyone know of Race/Deity combo that allows a Paladin to start out dubious or better to Venril Sathir (Kunark Outpost etc)?

Edit: whoops! Missed the "start out" part.. was wondering why the responses didn't mention vp lol

[Goldknyght]

Anyone know of Race/Deity combo that allows a Paladin to start out dubious or better to Venril Sathir (Kunark Outpost etc)?

dont be a b^^^^ kill those dang guard when u use the hammer!

[tadkins]

Thanks to Tadkins

https://pastebin.com/raw/EXkdMT1W


I appreciate the shout-out. :)

Disclaimer though, the faction data is for Live. Not all of it will match up with P99, there are some disparities between the two.

Couple of good examples are NeriakTrolls (should be neutral start to literally everyone) and Storm Guard (should be KoS initially to Rallos Zek worshippers). Would be kinda cool to see P99 just take that data and apply it here one day.

[Jimjam]

I appreciate the shout-out. :)

Disclaimer though, the faction data is for Live. Not all of it will match up with P99, there are some disparities between the two.

Couple of good examples are NeriakTrolls (should be neutral start to literally everyone) and Storm Guard (should be KoS initially to Rallos Zek worshippers). Would be kinda cool to see P99 just take that data and apply it here one day.

No worries, thank you for clearing up those discrepancies.

Another peculiarity of p1999 is your base faction standings aren't calculated live, they are calculated at character creation and then modified by your actions. Or at least that is my understanding of it.

If I understand right, the result of this is when race/class/deity mods on p99 get corrected, these corrections only really apply to toons that haven't be rolled yet. Existing toon's standings don't get fixed.

[tadkins]

No worries, thank you for clearing up those discrepancies.

Another peculiarity of p1999 is your base faction standings aren't calculated live, they are calculated at character creation and then modified by your actions. Or at least that is my understanding of it.

If I understand right, the result of this is when race/class/deity mods on p99 get corrected, these corrections only really apply to toons that haven't be rolled yet. Existing toon's standings don't get fixed.

Yep correct. I think it'd be cool to have a temporary way for folks to get some of these factions fixed when/if they do make the changes. Like have a troll NPC in Neriak they can hail to return NeriakTrolls to indifferent up for a month or so.

My agnostic human mage should be able to hang out in all of Neriak FQ but alas he cannot here. xD

I know it's kind of a silly thing to focus on but as someone who's faction-obsessed it's something I can't help but notice. I posted about it a while ago and hope it does get addressed one day.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=407124

[Jimjam]

NFQ is very unclassic. In the arena there is xp loss and guards will aggro pvping players. Not classic at all.

[jolanar]

No worries, thank you for clearing up those discrepancies.

Another peculiarity of p1999 is your base faction standings aren't calculated live, they are calculated at character creation and then modified by your actions. Or at least that is my understanding of it.

If I understand right, the result of this is when race/class/deity mods on p99 get corrected, these corrections only really apply to toons that haven't be rolled yet. Existing toon's standings don't get fixed.


I have definitely noticed that they changed the back end faction calculations after they became visible on live around 5 or 6 years ago. Depending on when my character was made will decide how easy it is to raise factions with certain areas.

I still think there is a ton of quests that give way too low faction, but that's not something that I can prove because we don't see that info here, and telling P99 staff to "go look up info that is easily available" apparently was harassment and got me a ban warning.

[tadkins]

NFQ is very unclassic. In the arena there is xp loss and guards will aggro pvping players. Not classic at all.

Damn I didn't know that. That truly is a shame.

[Renault]

That's definitely not accurate for Veeshan - Human Veeshan bards do not start out KOS.

[PatChapp]

Agnostic gnome mage,agnostic erudite enchanter both non kos in nfq.

[Cen]

You can't start as non kos as a paladin of any race. The best faction values are tied between Human Karana paladin and Erudite prexus paladin and both are still KOS

[Cen]

That's definitely not accurate for Veeshan - Human Veeshan bards do not start out KOS.

Correct. Human Veeshan is apprehensive. Veeshan has no negative modifier for OT