Rogue weapon swap for BS?

[Garnaak]

What I have read tends to be all over the place.

60/40 Auto/BS damage
*Auto-attack timer reset when primary swap
Just keep highest damage mainhand
on and on...

I could probably come to whatever conclusion I want by reading all the threads.

I would like to keep low delay permanently in primary and just swap to high damage for BS click. The * item is the only thing making me think otherwise. Truth or rumor? I guess even if true, I could turn auto off, swap, BS, swap, auto on. But could mess with damage output if I don't get these moves done smooth. Or maybe even server tick messes with it?

I guess the reason for this question concerns my next possible purchase?

Sebilite Croaking Dirk (Main)
or
Winters Fury (Off-hand)

[PatChapp]

Winters fury is always a good purchase,you will use it for a very long time.
What are you using main hand now

[Garnaak]

What are you using main hand now

I have Rabid Chokidai Fang (14/29) mainhand currently. I do have a Sarnak Backstabber (10/20) That I could be swapping but have not done that yet.

Just got fang to replace Frozen Shard (13/26) that was my mainhand. I was lower level, so damage bonus was not enough to think about swapping yet.

[Toxigen]

Seb Croaking Dirk is what you seek.

[Garnaak]

Ok, I picked up a croaker today. Tried swapping on some blue mobs and I think I can do it in normal situations where the mob is pretty stable. Wouldn't want to be swapping and chasing though.

Did not notice any strange extended no hit periods, like timer was reset to 2.9 or something. Croaker was hitting pretty regular.

[Cecily]

I can't justify tryharding enough to do this on raid mobs, I use a 12/17 mainhand, much less sub-46 content. Croaker mainhand shreds anything of that level and is a solid post-epic offhand to 60.

[Tethler]

It's not worth the effort to weapon swap in combat for backstabs

[Solist]

Sure it is.

Both with Mrylokars or Thorn mainhand, claw/fang/essence/tuna whip offhand and swapping in ragebringer to offhand for backstabs is definitely worth it.

Swapping mainhand is pretty tryhard excepting maybe when using vyemm main and mrylokars offhand. But that'd probably be about equal dps with mrylokar mainhand vyemm offhand and swap the offhand to RB for backstabs. Within a dps or two if I had to guess.


Sub 60, and below that level of gear? It's likely not worth the stuffing around.

[Encroaching Death]

Swapping mainhand is pretty tryhard

[Tethler]

Sure it is.

Both with Mrylokars or Thorn mainhand, claw/fang/essence/tuna whip offhand and swapping in ragebringer to offhand for backstabs is definitely worth it.

Swapping mainhand is pretty tryhard excepting maybe when using vyemm main and mrylokars offhand. But that'd probably be about equal dps with mrylokar mainhand vyemm offhand and swap the offhand to RB for backstabs. Within a dps or two if I had to guess.


Sub 60, and below that level of gear? It's likely not worth the stuffing around.

And how much dps does all that get you?

[PabloEdvardo]

swapping is not worth it outside of BIS gear where you have 1500 ATK and you're swapping in the epic purely for the +ATK bonus

otherwise you're going to lose a ton of damage waiting for the slower delay weapon's last swing to fire after the swap

[Tnair]

You gotta find things to make combat more interesting as a rogue. Weapon swapping isn't much of a gain but it's the journey that counts ;p Other almost-wastes-of-time you might consider are bow-kiting things you can't solo, and sneaking into mid level dungeons to solo interesting targets (the Tae Ew Archon makes for a pretty epic solo fight)

[long.liam]

Weapon Swapping or Hot Swapping was mentioned in UN as a bannable exploit. The Staff released a reminder that if a player is caught doing this they can be banned for it.

[Snaggles]

Weapon Swapping or Hot Swapping was mentioned in UN as a bannable exploit. The Staff released a reminder that if a player is caught doing this they can be banned for it.

Can you clarify the situation where this is bannable? I can see using like a programmable keyboard to game the system (especially like bard instruments) but people swap out weapons after avatar procs, etc. I do know “hot swapping” logins via IP Exemption is bannable, just can’t find anything related to weapons.

Not debating the principle. Just making sure I don’t do something wrong :)

[Stonewallx39]

Weapon Swapping or Hot Swapping was mentioned in UN as a bannable exploit. The Staff released a reminder that if a player is caught doing this they can be banned for it.

Is there a discord or notes from the UN? Could this refer to Monk swapping staff to get offhand hand to hand swing?

[Garnaak]

Weapon Swapping or Hot Swapping was mentioned in UN as a bannable exploit. The Staff released a reminder that if a player is caught doing this they can be banned for it.

Imo, you really need to back up this claim. Weapon swapping happens all the time. people swap out for stave of shielding procs as one example. MANY other examples could be given. I have searched the P99 web page and forums for this rule and have come up with nothing.

[Muilezel]

He's trolling. Hot swapping is using an IP exemption or VPN or such to /Q on a character on one account and immediately log into a character on a different account.

[long.liam]

I'm not at home at the moment. I'll try to find the post I saw when I get home. It is possible that I may have confused terminology. I thought Hot Swapping was switching weapons out in between strikes to increase DPS. I can't remember the exact statement that the Staff Member released. It is possible they were referring to Hot swapping between accounts. I'm not sure, I'll have to review it later.

[Littlejac1]

Hot-Swapping refers to /q and quickly changing characters that either have an IP exemption or using a VPN. Weapon swapping is not Hot-Swapping.

As for the whole weapon swapping question, the only time that's it's likely worth weapon swapping is when you have a Vyemm fang in Mainhand and Vulak dagger in the Offhand.
You swap in Epic for backstab and then swap back to Vyemm fang to maximise the extra damage from the damage bonus while also having a 15 damage dagger in Mainhand for backstabs with the highest attack possible

[Gustoo]

Just use the crystalline spear you got from Vox pre-kunark and never upgrade. Be loyal to your weapon and it will be loyal to you.

[bobjonesp99]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397737

scroll to the bottom.

swapping in a weapon for BS is pretty awful tryhard. the only time its really worth doing it is if you already have something like a primal and claw of lightning and you dont have to swap the weapon from one hand to the next but just hover over the primary with your epic for swap. the epic is the best weapon for swapping because it has the highest weapon damage and an innate attack bonus. outside of significantly better weapons like vyemm, primal, or doze the swapping probably isnt worth the marginal increase in dps imo.

[Toxigen]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397737

scroll to the bottom.

swapping in a weapon for BS is pretty awful tryhard. the only time its really worth doing it is if you already have something like a primal and claw of lightning and you dont have to swap the weapon from one hand to the next but just hover over the primary with your epic for swap. the epic is the best weapon for swapping because it has the highest weapon damage and an innate attack bonus. outside of significantly better weapons like vyemm, primal, or doze the swapping probably isnt worth the marginal increase in dps imo.

imagine doing this given velious was beat in kunark gear

[bobjonesp99]

imagine doing this given velious was beat in kunark gear

im not suggesting doing this, but im responding to the person asking.

its also a bit disingenuous to say "velious was beat in kunark gear"... like sure, velious was beat in kunark gear by a zerg guild with 100+ players employing methods of the play that werent really utilized on live when it was released. based on your logic, why even use any velious items at all?

[Ghost of Starman]

P99 is also crazy overtuned, there is video of a warrior with crafted armor tanking Sontalak on live with no issues, if the server was actually "classic" you'd be beating Velious in classic era gear.

[PabloEdvardo]

im not suggesting doing this, but im responding to the person asking.

its also a bit disingenuous to say "velious was beat in kunark gear"... like sure, velious was beat in kunark gear by a zerg guild with 100+ players employing methods of the play that werent really utilized on live when it was released. based on your logic, why even use any velious items at all?

to be fair the first clear of velious content on green was done the "most classic" of all the velious raids, since there wasn't an army of parked coth bots yet and it was all done through organic clearing

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