Why can't players choose to be atheist in EverQuest?

[Elfminster]

Is it because atheism is so moronic that nobody would choose to be atheist if it were an option so Verant left it out?

Is it because EverQuest would be super dull and boring if there were atheists running around so Verant left it out?

Is it because Verant simply despised atheists?

If atheism were an option in EQ then what perks would the player receive for not believing in anything?

[nostalgiaquest]

pretty hard to be atheist when you can literally see and kill gods.

[Elfminster]

pretty hard to be atheist when you can literally see and kill gods.

Then why have agnostic as an option?

An atheist would say that there is no proof your god is actually a god.

[Reiwa]

because norrath hasn't invented calvinism yet

[Kaveh]

pretty hard to be atheist when you can literally see and kill gods.

[Elfminster]

because norrath hasn't invented calvinism yet

I'm pretty sure calvinism existed when Verant was creating religious maniacs and agnostics and choosing to leave out atheists.

Verant didn't allow players to fully reject their version of god or the concept of god.

Verant didn't provide any scientific evidence to proof that gods really do exist and that their gods are real gods yet everybody is either a believer or undecided but not atheist.

[Elfminster]

Then why allow agnostic?

[red_demonman]

Then why allow agnostic?

It seems they interpreted agnostic as - just not following a specific god. As others have stated, the gods existing physically in the game makes an atheist choice pretty dumb.

[Jibartik]

It’s because there’s no such thing as atheism.

[Elfminster]

It seems they interpreted agnostic as - just not following a specific god. As others have stated, the gods existing physically in the game makes an atheist choice pretty dumb.

How do you know they're gods though?
Did somebody tell you and you believed them?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

It makes sense to have Agnostic. In a world where magic and god-like beings are real, the standard for what a true "god" is is much higher lol. If a "god" can be killed, is it really a "god"?

[Ennewi]

pretty hard to be atheist when you can literally see and kill gods.

Then why have agnostic as an option?

An atheist would say that there is no proof your god is actually a god.

IIRC technically we're only presented with the avatars of the gods. So if atheism existed, it would have given way to agnosticism once the populace of Norrath became aware of beings greater than themselves that were or at least seemed to be godlike. Plus every player and non-player character respawns after dying, so there would be that to grapple with as well. Ultimately, the devs are the actual gods. Guides/GMs are a close second, but even they have been killed by players and only have had so much power / so many commands.

[Danth]

Quite probably this is because McQuaid was rather religious himself and allowing the pagan sort of diety options was about as far as he was willing to go, and even then only begrudgingly. It's also why there are very few "demon" type creatures in the original game, and none of significant stature.

[Mblake1981]

They already have Woke D&D, OP. The art styles are hideous and mostly digital trash.

[nostalgiaquest]

Then why have agnostic as an option?

An atheist would say that there is no proof your god is actually a god.

I think that's what an agnostic would say. An atheist would say he's not a god, there are no gods. But an agnostic would say maybe he's a god, but I don't chose to follow him.

At least that's my basic understanding of the difference between the two.

[Elfminster]

IIRC technically we're only presented with the avatars of the gods. So if atheism existed, it would have given way to agnosticism once the populace of Norrath became aware of beings greater than themselves that were or at least seemed to be godlike. Plus every player and non-player character respawns after dying, so there would be that to grapple with as well. Ultimately, the devs are the actual gods. Guides/GMs are a close second, but even they have been killed by players and only have had so much power / so many commands.

Where did you get all this from? Did somebody tell you or did you come up with it yourself? Where did you get your definition of god and godlike from? How do we know it's the correct definition or can godlike be whatever you want it to be?

[Jibartik]

An athiest would say there are no gods then proceed to kneel in front of a computer and say that if we dont continue working for it we will all die and one day it will make us live forever.

This is because, if athiests are right we are evolved to REQUIRE worship of an alpha entity. So therefore, if athiestm exists, then it CANNOT exist.

[Elfminster]

I think that's what an agnostic would say. An atheist would say he's not a god, there are no gods. But an agnostic would say maybe he's a god, but I don't chose to follow him.

At least that's my basic understanding of the difference between the two.


You are a god (<------ how do you know they are a god? Did somebody tell you?)
You may or may not be a god I don't really know (<------ why is this an option if everybody knows gods exist?)
You are not a god (<------ why is this option missing? Is god not existing impossible?)

[Mblake1981]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Gaming_World

In 1979, Russell Sipe left the Southern Baptist Convention ministry. A fan of computer games, he realized in spring 1981 that no magazine was dedicated to computer games. Although Sipe had no publishing experience, he formed Golden Empire Publications in June and found investors. He chose the name Computer Gaming World (CGW) instead of alternatives such as Computer Games or Kilobaud Warrior because he hoped that the magazine would both review games and serve as a trade publication for the industry. The first issue appeared in November, about the same as rivals Electronic Games and Softline. (Sipe's religious background led to "Psalm 9:1–2" appearing in each issue. His successor as editor, Johnny L. Wilson, was an evangelical Christian minister.)

In the Book of Revelation, Satan appears as a Great Red Dragon, who is defeated by Michael the Archangel and cast down from Heaven. He is later bound for one thousand years, but is briefly set free before being ultimately defeated and cast into the Lake of Fire.

https://i.imgur.com/CD4RtNZ.jpg

Note: When atheists took over the magazine after Ziff Davis Jr. died they turned it into a for-profit endeavor only and died shortly thereafter.

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/sNqxJ8k.png

[Elfminster]

An athiest would say there are no gods then proceed to kneel in front of a computer and say that if we dont continue working for it we will all die and one day it will make us live forever.

This is because, if athiests are right we are evolved to REQUIRE worship of an alpha entity. So therefore, if athiestm exists, then it CANNOT exist.

An atheist would say that all polygons, texture maps, music, classes, races, spells, quests and 'gods' in EQ automatically evolved over billions of years from a single pixel which was created by a random server crash by a server which nobody created.

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/zgvuHiD.png

[Castle2.0]

Then why allow agnostic?

Because some people never reach level 46 or get invited to a raid ;)

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/zgvuHiD.png

🎸 On a steel destrier I ride 🎸

[Ennewi]

Where did you get all this from? Did somebody tell you or did you come up with it yourself?

https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/index.php?threads/gods-we-have-not-killed-yet.262804/

Triconix
Augur

Axxius said: ↑
“Quarm = Fennin Ro + The Rathe + Xegony + Povar + E'ci + Coirnav.”
This isn't true. Quarm is just a manifestation/incarnation of the Gods' powers. It's simply a physical being created by the Gods coalescing their powers. Same thing with Coirnav. It isn't a God, just a physical avatar, containing some of the essence of the Triumvirate of Water that watches over the Plane of Water.

When I think of it, I don't believe we have killed any God in its true form. We've only killed their Avatars/manifestations. Just like reality, we can only comprehend things in the 3rd dimension. Gods traverse through more than just 3 dimensions, which is something you see in SoD with the 4th dimension (time) being created as a physical manifestation (3rd dimension) so we can understand it and travel through it.

Think of it this way: If you kill the God of War, war simply ceases to exist. Everquest still has wars, yes? Therefore, we've never killed Rallos Zek's (and all of the sub-deities) true form.

Triconix, Jan 31, 2020#13Last edited by Triconix, Jan 31, 2020


https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq2/index.php?threads/server-wide-anncounments-for-avatars-please.5418/page-7

Drayven
New Member
Balbasur said: ↑
“From a lore stand point you WOULD know if the deities are walking around Norrath it should be advertised via Server Wide anncounments.”
From a lore standpoint SOE screwed up really bad.

These shouldn't be the gods themselves but rather their AVATARS. Instead of Tunare it should be Avatar of Growth. avatar = a physical manifestation of a god's will on the mortal world. From a lore standpoint, didn't we just do a huge bazillion quest long signature line that required consulting a fallen Roehn Theer, getting permission from both Tunare and Cazic Thule (projections of them mind you) to execute a rather complicated and detailed plan involving 3 demi gods of war as well, just to confront and slay one god of Norrath, which had ramifications that were part of the basis for the current expansion pack? But now Rodcet Nife decides to hang out in Antonica, he gets quiety and quickly bitchslapped for a couple of fabled items, and Norrath keeps on turning.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=33089

https://i.imgur.com/VjxRftz.png

https://i.imgur.com/FrhDxtT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7wpAcQ3.jpg

a Koalindl says, 'Foolish mortal! You have disturbed the Prime Healer as he swims in the guise of his creatures. For this... you shall perish!'

Your faction standing with RodcetNife has been adjusted by -2000.

In most lore, Zek was depicted as towering, muscular man with skin like magma, clad in golden armor, and crowned with a spiked helm with horns protruding out either side. This is also how the Avatar of War appears when summoned in the city of Kael.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Astral_Projection_(LOIO)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Astral_Projection_(Overthere)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection

Astral projection is a term used in esotericism to describe an intentional out-of-body experience that assumes the existence of a subtle body called an "astral body" through which consciousness can function separately from the physical body and travel throughout the astral plane.

Where did you get your definition of god and godlike from?

Multiple sources. This is what google offered when searching for "god": (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

How do we know it's the correct definition or can godlike be whatever you want it to be?

We don't, and that unknowable quality contributes to something/one being considered a god or godlike.

[Elfminster]

Brad McQuaid says, "God exists".
Brad McQuaid says, "God is mortal and evil and waiting for you to kill"
Brad McQuaid, says, "You can choose to hate god"
Player says, "Ok, cool"
Atheist says, "God doesn't exist to me though so where's that option?"
Braid McQuaid, "Not an option"
Atheist says, "Ok, cool"

Fantasy writer says, "all fantasy is inspired by reality".

[Ennewi]

An atheist would say that all polygons ... evolved over billions of years from a single pixel which was created by a random server crash by a server which nobody created.

Thereby making them...a poly-theist.

[Ennewi]

Brad McQuaid says, "God exists".
Brad McQuaid says, "God is mortal and evil and waiting for you to kill"
Brad McQuaid, says, "You can choose to hate god"
Player says, "Ok, cool"
Atheist says, "God doesn't exist to me though so where's that option?"
Braid McQuaid, "Not an option"
Atheist says, "Ok, cool"

Fantasy writer says, "all fantasy is inspired by reality".

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/57joio/atheism_in_fantasy/

[Reiwa]

Brad McQuaid says, "God exists".
Brad McQuaid says, "God is mortal and evil and waiting for you to kill"
Brad McQuaid, says, "You can choose to hate god"
Player says, "Ok, cool"
Atheist says, "God doesn't exist to me though so where's that option?"
Braid McQuaid, "Not an option"
Atheist says, "Ok, cool"

Fantasy writer says, "all fantasy is inspired by reality".

sH8jR5hMSVU

[Mblake1981]

🎸 On a steel destrier I ride 🎸

If someone is riding one of those in the picture then I hope its off the nearest cliff.

[Elfminster]

Multiple sources. This is what google offered when searching for "god": (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.


Where did those sources get their definition of god/godlike from?



We don't, and that unknowable quality contributes to something/one being considered a god or godlike.

Where did you get this description of god from?

[Dural_Levant]

So, a big problem here is that the meaning of the word, “agnostic” is often misunderstood. It comes from Greek and originally meant, “without knowledge” or “unknown”. When the word is used in a philosophical or religious philosophical context it’s used to establish an epistemological position. Epistemology is the branch of philosophy that deals with the theory of knowledge. It asks what can and cannot be known.

The computer I am typing these words at, for example, is it real? Or, am I in the Matrix and just typing on a simulated computer in a VR environment? Meanwhile, my actual brain is in a jar connected to a real computer. The intellectually honest answer is, “Shit, I don’t know; there is no way to tell.”

In the real world, when applied to the question, “Is there a god?”, an agnostic would say, “I don’t know; there is no way to tell. I suppose it is a matter of faith.”

Faith as justification for belief isn’t really a thing in a world in which you can physically interact with gods and see manifestations of their power first-hand, on a daily basis. Their actual existence never comes into question, because you have objective evidence that holds up to scrutiny. Because of this, atheism, would also not be a thing.

The question then becomes, “Which god do I choose to follow or devote myself to, if any?”

Thus, I would argue that Verant’s use of the term “agnostic” was a poor choice when they originally set up their religion system. It would have been more appropriate to use a term like: “None”, “Non-Devoted” or “Follower of None.”

[Mblake1981]

Thus, I would argue that Verant’s use of the term “agnostic” was a poor choice when they originally set up their religion system. It would have been more appropriate to use a term like: “None”, “Non-Devoted” or “Follower of None.”

[Pain and Suffering try to strike you but miss!]

The agony of modern gamer senses. Agnostic works just fine back in 1999, looking at a list of religions, which to me was novel for even being in a game, with things like Dragon and Earth Mother worshipers.

20 years later here comes e-gamer Richard Dawkins to piss on everyones faces and some guy trying to make a shitty misplaced compromise.

[Jibartik]

I don’t think you can say there is no god without conforming to a religion that is just really sure there is no god.

If you are willing to let science reveal that the universe is created on a computer then you are agnostic.

So atheists are therefore more dedicated to their “belief” that there is no creator based on current science.

That’s literally religion trying to explain the same stars 12,000 years ago.

[Ennewi]

Where did those sources get their definition of god/godlike from?

Etymology.

Where did you get this description of god from?

Why so many questions?

https://i.imgur.com/Mmpt4P1.jpg

[Mblake1981]

Do any of you recall being in front of your CRT screens with EQ loaded up for the first time? I came from a Sony Playstation 1 for reference. I mean, making a character for the first time and you get to the religion list, clicking through the options.. mind reels with what kind of world this is and what you will discover.

(the seeming depth of desktop computer games, a role playing game in this case, were on another level)

Agnostic was the most boring choice of all and is only good for min/maxing, which I should remind everyone here that min/maxers destroyed a lot of the role play features that were baked in to original EQ such as night blindness/vision.

[starkind]

Technically the vahshir believe in their ancesters.

Would be cool if ogres worshipped big rocks and trolls a gator g-d they could summon if u got like 50 trolls toghether.

[Mblake1981]

Thankfully everything past Velious expansion can be forgotten.

[Danth]

Do any of you recall being in front of your CRT screens with EQ loaded up for the first time? I came from a Sony Playstation 1 for reference. I mean, making a character for the first time and you get to the religion list, clicking through the options.. mind reels with what kind of world this is and what you will discover.

(the seeming depth of desktop computer games, a role playing game in this case, were on another level)

I had been doing PC games, massively multiplayer included, for a good while prior to buying EQ so EQ didn't impress me all that much. It grew on me over time though as a nice shared hobby the wife and I both liked. She didn't like most of the other types of PC games I had or still have. I did have that feeling of awe for Air Warrior the first time I logged on that one in the early/mid 90's though; that's the game that felt like it had been ripped out of my imagination, not so much the role-playing games.

Danth

[Elfminster]

So, a big problem here is that the meaning of the word, “agnostic” is often misunderstood. It comes from Greek and originally meant, “without knowledge” or “unknown”. When the word is used in a philosophical or religious philosophical context it’s used to establish an epistemological position. Epistemology is the branch of philosophy that deals with the theory of knowledge. It asks what can and cannot be known.

The computer I am typing these words at, for example, is it real? Or, am I in the Matrix and just typing on a simulated computer in a VR environment? Meanwhile, my actual brain is in a jar connected to a real computer. The intellectually honest answer is, “Shit, I don’t know; there is no way to tell.”

In the real world, when applied to the question, “Is there a god?”, an agnostic would say, “I don’t know; there is no way to tell. I suppose it is a matter of faith.”

Faith as justification for belief isn’t really a thing in a world in which you can physically interact with gods and see manifestations of their power first-hand, on a daily basis. Their actual existence never comes into question, because you have objective evidence that holds up to scrutiny. Because of this, atheism, would also not be a thing.

The question then becomes, “Which god do I choose to follow or devote myself to, if any?”

Thus, I would argue that Verant’s use of the term “agnostic” was a poor choice when they originally set up their religion system. It would have been more appropriate to use a term like: “None”, “Non-Devoted” or “Follower of None.”

Before you saw the Matrix though you wouldn't have asked yourself if you were living in the Matrix. Somebody very recently came along and implanted that new idea in your head which you're now repeating. But there was a time when you would not have thought about such things.

Is god existing a new idea like the Matrix is?

Let's imagine there are no atheists/christians/hollywood in the world.

You look up at the moon. What do you say?

"God doesn't exist"?
"Am I living in the Matrix?"
"Who created that?"

[cd288]

How do you know they're gods though?
Did somebody tell you and you believed them?

Just be quiet man

[Dural_Levant]

[Pain and Suffering try to strike you but miss!]

The agony of modern gamer senses. Agnostic works just fine back in 1999, looking at a list of religions, which to me was novel for even being in a game, with things like Dragon and Earth Mother worshipers.

20 years later here comes e-gamer Richard Dawkins to piss on everyones faces and some guy trying to make a shitty misplaced compromise.

For the most part, I agree with you. The average layperson is not going to care.

It only becomes a thing when you take a deep dive into the underlying philosophical questions and assumptions that are the bread and butter of these types of conversations.

In which case, its important to be precise with your language or the discourse becomes a mess.

[Reiwa]

Before you saw the Matrix though you wouldn't have asked yourself if you were living in the Matrix. Somebody very recently came along and implanted that new idea in your head which you're now repeating. But there was a time when you would not have thought about such things.

Is god existing a new idea like the Matrix is?



We are not the same. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon)

[Jibartik]

Think about religion like, the science of its time.

The religious leaders were not the crackpots.

[Dural_Levant]

Before you saw the Matrix though you wouldn't have asked yourself if you were living in the Matrix. Somebody very recently came along and implanted that new idea in your head which you're now repeating. But there was a time when you would not have thought about such things.

Is god existing a new idea like the Matrix is?

Let's imagine there are no atheists/christians/hollywood in the world.

You look up at the moon. What do you say?

"God doesn't exist"?
"Am I living in the Matrix?"
"Who created that?"

No, probably not, if I had no knowledge of the intellectual discourse the came before me. But that is not the case.

It's not like this is a new conversation. People have been talking about this sort of thing for millennia. That laid a groundwork of rigor around "thinking" that modern-day people can build upon.

While the "Matrix" is new, the idea it expresses is not. Epistemologists have just been using different examples. The Matrix is just the latest incarnation.

[Elfminster]

What I have discovered is this:


Atheists can only exist in reality.

I can exist in both reality and fantasy.


So I'm greater than all atheists combined.

[Ennewi]

What I have discovered is this:


Atheists can only exist in reality.

I can exist in both reality and fantasy.


So I'm greater than all atheists combined.

Where did you get your definition of reality from?

[Mblake1981]

I had been doing PC games, massively multiplayer included, for a good while prior to buying EQ so EQ didn't impress me all that much. It grew on me over time though as a nice shared hobby the wife and I both liked. She didn't like most of the other types of PC games I had or still have. I did have that feeling of awe for Air Warrior the first time I logged on that one in the early/mid 90's though; that's the game that felt like it had been ripped out of my imagination, not so much the role-playing games.

Danth

Original EQ, Unreal Tournament and Janes WW2 Fighters were my Air Warriors. There were no chances for me to have a computer or be online before early 2000. Edit: You probably had a bigger hey-day then I experienced, being online in the mid 90s would have been something special to experience.

[Ennewi]

Before you saw the Matrix though you wouldn't have asked yourself if you were living in the Matrix. Somebody very recently came along and implanted that new idea in your head which you're now repeating. But there was a time when you would not have thought about such things.

Neuromancer by William Gibson
This is the book that inspired The Wachowskis when they were making The Matrix. It was William Gibson's iconic cyberpunk novel that gave the word “matrix” that has now entered the geek vocabulary.

The Allegory of the Cave (https://medium.com/cinemania/the-matrix-is-the-real-world-8250ebedc5df)

Plato personifies this ‘unenlightenment’ of human nature through his famous “allegory of the cave” — the allegory of prisoners chained in a cave whose entire perception of reality is but shadows cast on a wall in front of them. For Plato, the shadows on the wall are not reality but rather mere reflections of more real objects. 17th-century French philosopher René Descartes similarly hypothesized in the early meditations of his “Meditations on First Philosophy” that all of the human world is but a world of shadows orchestrated by a deceitful “evil genius.” For both Descartes and Plato, this world of shadows, the cave, the simulation, or Matrix if you will, is illusory and devoid of value.

[Elfminster]

No, probably not, if I had no knowledge of the intellectual discourse the came before me. But that is not the case.

It's not like this is a new conversation. People have been talking about this sort of thing for millennia. That laid a groundwork of rigor around "thinking" that modern-day people can build upon.

While the "Matrix" is new, the idea it expresses is not. Epistemologists have just been using different examples. The Matrix is just the latest incarnation.

Do you also ask yourself if you're Snow White and the Seven dwarves or is it just the Matrix you compare real life to?

The problem I have with you is that everything you say is not your original idea, you weren't there, and you have no proof whatsoever. You're like a parrot.

I look up at the moon and ask "Who created that"?

You come along and say, "Nobody. It's not even real. We could be Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. There's no way of knowing.".

[Mblake1981]

The Allegory of the Cave (https://medium.com/cinemania/the-matrix-is-the-real-world-8250ebedc5df)

the matrix SSUCCs (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=396916&highlight=matrix&page=3)

https://i.imgur.com/a6p9lUI.png

TZDrTylco1o

[Elfminster]

Where did you get your definition of reality from?

First hand personal experience.

Me saw something in the sky.
Somebody call it the sun.
Me okay with that word.
The sun gives me light and warmth.
Don't need scientist to use sun.
Sun comes to me free of charge.
Sun lets me grow things which I can eat and smoke. Yummy.
Me ask who created it.
Me log into EverQuest where there is also a sun but it does less things + I have to pay for that sun.
Me see less choice in this EQ world than other world.

Atheist come to me
Atheist says "I am liberal"
Aheist have no sun.
Aheist have nothing just words.
Me say "you belong in fantasy world".
Atheist say "I can't exist in fantasy world".
Me say "then how can you exist in real world?"
Atheist say "because in real world I can lie but in fantasy world I can't because Brad won't let me"

[Ennewi]

the matrix SSUCCs (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=396916&highlight=matrix&page=3)

dtYdZkPmFoU

[Danth]

Edit: You probably had a bigger hey-day then I experienced, being online in the mid 90s would have been something special to experience.

One of my better memories involving PC gaming was a special event the host company put on where it invited a substantial number of WW2 veteran pilots to participate in some special scenarios and I was there flying wing-to-wing with them in virtual-space. They're mostly gone now and that can't happen anymore, a truly irreplaceable moment in time.

Danth

[Rethalis]

It would be weird to have an atheist bidding on loot from any plane raid.

[Elfminster]

One of my better memories involving PC gaming was a special event the host company put on where it invited a substantial number of WW2 veteran pilots to participate in some special scenarios and I was there flying wing-to-wing with them in virtual-space. They're mostly gone now and that can't happen anymore, a truly irreplaceable moment in time.

Danth

You could get some people to pretend they are WW2 veterans and then fly with them in virtual space.

[Elfminster]

It would be weird to have an atheist bidding on loot from any plane raid.

Atheist: The loot exists but the mob that drops the loot doesn't.

Therefore the atheist loots mobs which he didn't help to kill (ninja looter).

Maybe that's why Brad banned them all because they all want something for doing nothing?

[Elfminster]

It's funny though don't you think that atheism is a really dumb idea in EQ but there's people calling themselves atheist in real life.

If it's dumb in EQ then it's even dumber in real life.

Duh.

[starkind]

Thankfully everything past Velious expansion can be forgotten.

Underdark was a cool one. And the one that added monster missions Hth.

[Mblake1981]

It's funny though don't you think that atheism is a really dumb idea in EQ but there's people calling themselves atheist in real life.

If it's dumb in EQ then it's even dumber in real life.

Duh.

Easy to forget that when EQ launched it was just a game and not something people did for a living on their webcams.

Underdark was a cool one. And the one that added monster missions Hth.

Nothing cool about post-Velious EQ, sorry you must have forgot your meds this morning.

One of my better memories involving PC gaming was a special event the host company put on where it invited a substantial number of WW2 veteran pilots to participate in some special scenarios and I was there flying wing-to-wing with them in virtual-space. They're mostly gone now and that can't happen anymore, a truly irreplaceable moment in time.

Danth

Sounds like it. Thanks for sharing, Danth.

[Elfminster]

Nothing cool about post-Velious EQ, sorry you must have forgot your meds this morning.



Paludal Caverns

[Mblake1981]

Paluda Caverns

you would have been a real message board menace around 2005

[Gravydoo II]

Is it because atheism is so moronic that nobody would choose to be atheist if it were an option so Verant left it out?

Is it because EverQuest would be super dull and boring if there were atheists running around so Verant left it out?

Is it because Verant simply despised atheists?

If atheism were an option in EQ then what perks would the player receive for not believing in anything?

Literal gods can be visited and even attacked in temples.

How could you be so stupid is the real question.

[Mblake1981]

"Hey, why does this funny looking string lead inside a dark tunnel that smells like rotting meat.."

https://i.imgur.com/2Wnnq0D.jpg

[Elfminster]

Literal gods can be visited and even attacked in temples.

How could you be so stupid is the real question.

How do you know they are literal gods?

[Mblake1981]

"Hey you guys know Yutja? yeah that is the society of space hunters in the Predator films. Did you know they have honor [pushes up coke bottle glasses] and they live for the hunt and they have elders and heretic hunters and the aliens were part of their games and they had mayan ruins where humans worshiped the aliens that yutja hunted for sport? omg"

-Reddit Era

[Elfminster]

The Universe (liars allowed)

Player: " I'm an atheist. There is no creator. There's no proof. Duh!"

EverQuest Universe within The Universe (no atheists allowed)

Player: "There is a creator. Duh!"

Warning! Mismatch detected...

[Mblake1981]

How far are you into transition, OP?

[Reiwa]

How far are you into transition, OP?

i think it's recondojoe. registered a month after the last post.

[Dural_Levant]

Do you also ask yourself if you're Snow White and the Seven dwarves or is it just the Matrix you compare real life to?

The problem I have with you is that everything you say is not your original idea, you weren't there, and you have no proof whatsoever. You're like a parrot.

I look up at the moon and ask "Who created that"?

You come along and say, "Nobody. It's not even real. We could be Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. There's no way of knowing.".

You know what? Fine I’m a Parrot. None of my ideas are original. I’ll concede that point, its not a big deal.

However, you’re pretending that your not a parrot as well.

You think you’re the first person to, “look up at the moon and ask ‘Who created that?’ “

All I’m saying is, how do you know its a “who”? A less loaded way to ask that question would be:

“How did it get there?”

Thanks to the scientific method, We’ve got a pretty good idea. It was probably a chunk of the Earth that broke off during a collision in the early Solar System.

Beyond that, the Moon helped stabilize Earth’s wobbly rotation which contributed to making life on Earth possible.

Its actually kind of an amazing, awe-inspiring story.

Ironically, ancient humans who worshiped the moon as some sort of life giving god, weren't to far off the mark.

Collision That Formed The Moon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2lRpiediP8)

[Jibartik]

i think it's recondojoe. registered a month after the last post.

Recon joe is out there smashing nazis in ukraine I bet.

[Mblake1981]

i think it's recondojoe. registered a month after the last post.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/search.php?searchid=23108673
Next stop: NEG City
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[Reiwa]

You know what? Fine I’m a Parrot. None of my ideas are original. I’ll concede that point, its not a big deal.

However, you’re pretending that your not a parrot as well.

You think you’re the first person to, “look up at the moon and ask ‘Who created that?’ “

All I’m saying is, how do you know its a “who”? A less loaded way to ask that question would be:

“How did it get there?”

Thanks to the scientific method, We’ve got a pretty good idea. It was probably a chunk of the Earth that broke off during a collision in the early Solar System.

Beyond that, the Moon helped stabilize Earth’s wobbly rotation which contributed to making life on Earth possible.

Its actually kind of an amazing, awe-inspiring story.

Ironically, ancient humans who worshiped the moon as some sort of life giving god, weren't to far off the mark.

Collision That Formed The Moon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2lRpiediP8)

I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here: it didn't require any discipline to attain it.

You read what others had done and you took the next step.

You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it.

You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could and before you even knew what you had, you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're selling it, you want to sell it!

[Mblake1981]

gB4rL04gSF4

[Jibartik]

The smartest people for 20,000 years all agreed to the universe was created by a man sneezing.

[Skarne]

Recodojoe was like extra Trexller

[Gravydoo II]

How do you know they are literal gods?

Same way I know your mom has an asshole and she spread it for someone special. =]