Rant: Why create bad game design on purpose?

[Elfminster]

Example:-

Guise of the Deceiver


Some players have it.
Some players don't have it.
Some players will always have it.
Some players will never have it.


Bad game design.

Why create a system like that when you don't need to?

Why intentionally create two classes of players in an environment in which you can create equal rights?

How is a player creating an account before another player worthy of a permanent advantage?

Why would anybody invest any serious time into something in which they are permanently disadvantaged no matter what they do and others are permanently advantaged for doing nothing special?

It's dreadful game design which is done on purpose. Why?

It's like creating a game where some players (normal regular players) are permanently stuck on level 1 and other players (normal regular players) are level 60.

It's absurd. Why create a game like that on purpose when you don't need to? Why create another universe which mimics the elitest one you're meant to be escaping from?

There's absolutely no point in playing if you can't get what the other players can get. There's no point playing if you're a permanent 2nd class player no matter what you do.

If you told me that these players who have these OP and extra fun pre-nef items did something extra special then I might understand but they didn't. They play the game just like everybody else does but got rewarded extra. No extra skill was required. No extra thought was required. No extra kindness to others was required. These players didn't help anybody but themselves. They simply logged in and got free loot which is no longer available to anybody else.

How is that good game design? How is that fair?

It's not exactly very welcoming to new players. Why do you penalise new players just for being new? Why do you reward old players who are no different than new players?

Where is the logic?

Where is the balance?

Where is the equality?

How can anybody defend such a system without laughing?

Have you no shame?

If the devs want to give themselves special rewards which nobody else has then they should just be honest about it and do it and not create a permanent rift between players just to cover it up.

That way when I ask why you you have an item I can't have you can reply, "Because I'm a dev and you're not..." which is much better than me asking you why you have an item I can't have and you saying "cuz i creted mi account 1 day bfore you. lulz ok boomer. me iksar nekro too bcuz iksar nekro beter dan all nekro lol now me da best too"

It's no wonder Verant was despised.

Bad games design immortalised on P99.

[Nibblewitz]

scarcity creates value, sorry life is not fair

[Elfminster]

scarcity creates value, sorry life is not fair

So let me get this straight...

A rare disease which lowers your IQ has value because it's rare.
Oxygen is totally worthless because it's common.
Free sunlight for everybody is dumb because life is not meant to be fair.
P99 being free-to-play is dumb because life is not meant to be fair.
Free open source software is dumb because life is not meant to be fair.
Sow-ing somebody is dumb because life is not meant to be fair.
Cheating is okay so no need to ban cheats because life is not meant to be fair.
No need for rules because life is not meant to be fair.
No need to have a UI or move around because life isn't meant to make sense ie. be fair.

[nilzark]

drugs

[Elfminster]

[Verant HQ circa 2000]

Dev 1: I've got a great idea for our MMO.
Dev 2: I'm listening...
Dev 1: Let's make it so that all new players that join the server have a permanent disadvantage.
Dev 2: Won't that stop new players from joining our MMO and make us look stupid and mean?
Dev 1: Yes but it means that some players will have a permanent advantage so to them we will look like heroes AND we will have a permanent advantage too.
Dev 2: But what happens when players get bored and there's no new players coming in? Won't the server die making us unemployed?
Dev 1: We're here for a good time not a long time!
Dev 2: Can't we be here for a good time and a long time?
Dev 1: No because life is not meant to make sense.
Dev 2: Oh yeah I keep forgetting that rule you made up.
Dev 1: I'm going to a public charity event now so talk to you later.
Dev 2: What charity event?
Dev 1: Save the Planet

[Jibartik]

Sorry this game is a real life sim, and you are discovering that real life sucks!

[Krazy/sickpuppy]

We get it you want a guise … too fucking bad you are like 6 years too late

[Elfminster]

Sorry this game is a real life sim, and you are discovering that real life sucks!

If it's a real life sim then why does it have levels that everybody can achieve?

Why does it have a currency which everybody can earn?

Why is there no such thing as democracy?

Why is there no such thing as atheism?

Why are there resurrections and loot corpsing instead of permanent death?

Why can you create multiple identities for yourself?

Why are there no children?

Why are all the girls hot?

Why are there no television?

Why are there no celebrities talking about mental health?

Why can you auction for free?

Why aren't some plants and mushrooms banned?

Why is it free?

Why does it have an official dev which everybody agrees created it?

[Elfminster]

We get it you want a guise … too fucking bad you are like 6 years too late

It's like a child being born and receiving 0% sunlight and a child born the previous year receiving 100% sunlight. Even though the design can be easily changed with a few sensible mouse clicks so all children get 100% sunlight whenever they're born you think that some babies with certain birth dates deserve to be blind forever even though they don't need to be. Babies that could grow up to be your friend and help you. Babies that will keep the server alive which you love to play on.

It shows a lack of insight and hindsight on your behalf + it's discrimination against new players.

[Jibartik]

If it's a real life sim then why does it have levels that everybody can achieve?

your credit score called

[Elfminster]

your credit score called

No credit scores in eq either.
No military.
No taxes.
No politicians.

Why is all that missing from EQ if life is not meant to be fair?

Why are there gamemasters to help players if life is not meant to be fair?

Why are there police IRL if life is not meant to be fair?

As soon as you log into P99 it says no RMT or you will be banned. Why does that rule exist if life is not meant to be fair?

Of course life is meant to be fair so why are new players discriminated against?

Why do new players lack certain tools other players have?

It seems strange to warn against RMT and cheating and to create a play nice policy then to blatantly discriminate against new players. It also seems strange to say life is not meant to be fair when the client says play fair every time you log in.

[Elfminster]

scarcity creates value, sorry life is not fair

How does something which exists for one player but not another create value?

How does the MMO/dev team/players/community/gamemasters increase in value from you having an item which no longer exists?

If an item has a low drop rate and everybody can camp it then it potentially exists to everybody even though it's rare because it takes time and effort to acquire. A pre-nerf item isn't rare. How can it be rare when it doesn't even exist anymore? It's got a 0% drop rate. How is that rare? How does letting somebody keep non existent items increase value in a shared world you depend on?

Why is there a play nice policy if life is not fair?

[Jibartik]

There is a play nice policy because life is not fair.

[Elfminster]

There is a play nice policy because life is not fair.

So if life is not fair then why create a play nice policy?
And how is discriminating against new players for being new playing nice?

How is a non-existent item rare?
How can something which doesn't exist be anything when it doesn't exist?
How does allowing some players to have non-existent items create value in an MMO?

[Lord Casey]

I have a guise for all 14 of my characters

get fucked nerd

[PieOats]

Reporting in from the *have* side of the rift. My shaman (whomst i do not play), my monk and my enchanter all have guises. Feels good.

[Castle2.0]

If it's a real life sim then why does it have levels that everybody can achieve?


It doesn't. You will never be on my fashionquest level. Sorry, guise.

[Elfminster]

Reporting in from the *have* side of the rift. My shaman (whomst i do not play), my monk and my enchanter all have guises. Feels good.

Let us examine this wonderful and rare "feel good" moment of yours which you cherish so fondly.

- Your feel good moment is created by discriminating against new players and you were once a new player too so you're essentially discriminating against yourself to feel good about yourself (duh)
- Your feel good moment didn't take any extra IQ, skill or effort to acquire (anybody with half a brain can do it (even ogres and trolls can do it))
- Your feel good moment is the result of bad design so it's like getting a feel good moment from watching children die in a fatal car crash or watching kittens being run over.
- Your feel good moment only exists in a tiny server in a tiny corner of the universe (very few people value it because it's not very special)
- Your feel good moment doesn't exist in real life so you can't take it everywhere with you (unlike a young beautiful sexy women which you can)
- Your feel good moment can be instantly taken away from you without your consent with just a few mouse clicks or the server crashing/quitting (bye bye fake rare you)
- You can't share this feel good moment of yours with others so you can't give back which means you're just a taker and people hate takers (that's why they hate politicians).
- Your feel good moment is a small weak pecker on viagra so it's like a pair of cheap fake boobs.
- Your feel good moment isn't at all rare because others have it too (Do you wish you could take it away from them too so that you're the only one with it?)
- Your feel good moment relies on stopping others from having fun too (spiteful)
- You didn't create the feel good moment yourself somebody else did that for you while you watched so you got something for doing nothing and yet you still want it all to yourself which means you suck.
- If you need something like that to make you feel good about yourself then it means you are very simple minded (low IQ) and very insecure about yourself.
- Your feel good moment is purely cosmetic so you're still the same old boring you living the same old boring life.
- Your feel good moment gets boring very quickly so it has low value.
- Your feel good moment takes up a valueable inv slot which is a high price to pay to pretend your good looking and smart when everybody knows you're really ugly and stupid as hell
- When you show off your feel good moment to somebody they might decide to return the favour by showing you a much greater feel good moment which they have and you don't (bye bye fake special rare you again) or they could just put you on ignore because you obviously suck (bye bye potential ally)

TL;DR shove it up your ass

[Elfminster]

It doesn't. You will never be on my fashionquest level. Sorry, guise.

All I have to do is create a chanter and then I'm on everybody's fashionquest level.
Then when you beg me for speed/crack I will tell you to ask your guise for speed/crack + I will have 1 more INV slot than you.

BTW to the retards saying life isn't fair...EQ life is generally fair and the P99 boss made EQ free for everybody which is also fair.

Pre-nerf items not fair.

[Jibartik]

The fact that EQ life is generally fair is why life is unfair, it shouldnt be but life is unfair, so it is, you just dont see teh full circle, you're only seeing half of it.

Life is unfair, theirfor, life is fair in everquest, because that in turn makes it unfair, so it must be made fair, which makes it more unfair.

This is how the universe works until it collapses on itself and starts again (green 2)(The big bang)

[Elfminster]

The fact that EQ life is generally fair is why life is unfair, it shouldnt be but life is unfair, so it is, you just dont see teh full circle, you're only seeing half of it.

Life is unfair, theirfor, life is fair in everquest, because that in turn makes it unfair, so it must be made fair, which makes it more unfair.

This is how the universe works until it collapses on itself and starts again (green 2)(The big bang)

Well now you're contradicting yourself again because before you said EQ is unfair because life is unfair. But now you're saying EQ is fair because life is unfair. Which one is it?

EQ was fair then somebody intentionally created unfairness overnigh (very easily) but those decisions can also be easily reversed and if you can do that in EQ life you can certainly do it in real life because real life is greater than eq life.

EQ needs real life not the other way around pal.

So life can be fair or unfair and therefore just because it appears unfair now it doesn't mean it can't be unfair later

There's two sides to life not 1 that's why EQlife exists.

That's why you exist.

You should want the same as me..happiness for all...instead of defending fake celebrities who don't give a shit about you.

[Elfminster]

The fact that EQ life is generally fair is why life is unfair, it shouldnt be but life is unfair, so it is, you just dont see teh full circle, you're only seeing half of it.

Life is unfair, theirfor, life is fair in everquest, because that in turn makes it unfair, so it must be made fair, which makes it more unfair.

This is how the universe works until it collapses on itself and starts again (green 2)(The big bang)

And wow, I've just realised how unscientific you're being because you're saying big bang creates total equality and as time goes on things become less equal (why?) so there needs to be another big bang to create total equality again.

But evolution is the complete opposite. We start out really dumb, thefore violent which is unfair, and as we evolve we grow smarter and less violent and more fair.

You're literally contradicting every scientist and politician and celebrity while defending them.

With your idea of evolution we should all be apes with sticks by now waiting for big bang when we're all each recreated as a beautiful einsteins and then somebody comes along with a mouse and makes some of us ugly.

[Jibartik]

No you're reading 3/4ths of the circle now im saying that inequality begets equality begets inequality until it becomes so unstable it collapses.

[Elfminster]

No you're reading 3/4ths of the circle now im saying that inequality begets equality begets inequality until it becomes so unstable it collapses.

Well I'm saying you don't need to keep burning bridges to fix the current bridge or build a new bridge.

You can have two bridges co-existing side by side serving two different purposes and if you take good care of them both they will last forever. It makes sense to use the very best materials right from the start if you want them to stand he test of time. After all, your creation is a reflection of you are as a person. Your creation is made in your image. Don't you want it to be a great reflection loved by all instead of just a few simple minded fools?

The bridge builder isn't required to abide by this new fangled idea that life has to be unfair because the bridge builder has two options to choose from, not just one, and you're not his master, it's not your bridge, and you didn't build them. Comprende?

The bridge builder can allow everybody to use his bridges or only some people. It's his choice really not yours and he might disagree with your "make life unfair for others but not me" campaign. If it were me building the bridge and you said to me "make life unfair for everybody except for me" then I would simply ban you because IMO if you love unfairness then you should be rewarded with it.

If you leave the bridge alone it won't automagically evolve into a bigger better bridge. The bridge builder needs to intervene and change it on purpose if he wants it to look bigger and better but why not just do that from the very beginning and let it be? Why fix what isn't broken?

Braid McQuaid once built a toll bridge and said that anybody who gives him $12 a month can use his bridge as much as they want. Then Brad McQuaid built a special lane on the bridge and said that new players are forbidden from using that lane.

Then somebody came along and replicated Brad's bridge (P99) so you don't need $ anymore to walk across Brad's toll bridge but the lane still exists and new players are forbidden from using it.

I suggest you put up a sign above the special lane,

"WHITES ONLY".

Because it's no different.

However, your bridge not mine.

I can always make a chanter and they're gonna blowup the bridge eventually anyway to build a new one and the whole process will start again...working for nothing.

[Elfminster]

Somebody told me that scarcity creates value so here's a few ideas.

Charge everybody $1 billion a month to play EQ.

Then EQ will have value and anybody who plays it will feel extra special about themselves while they play alone.

Because life isn't fair. Sorry. No more EQ for you unless you pay $1 billion a month.

And those Prevost RV's are way too common so increase the price to $5 billion. Why charge only $2 million? That doesn't sound rare. It's not very exclusive.

Increase prices across the board. Make pickup trucks cost $10 million each and a Big Mac $100k.

Increase scarcity by artificial means so less people can feel more valueable.

Make anybody who has a guise pay $10 million to keep it.

Because life isn't fair. Sorry.

Make the internet scarce by charging $100 million a month to use it. Then it will have more value.

[Elfminster]

Here's some more ideas to create value through artificial scarcity.

Make every spell cost 1 billion mana and make the mana regen rate 1 tick per year.

That way mana will have value because it's so scarce.

Then people can feel special and exclusive as they stare at their scarce mana.

It's genius.

Here's another idea...

Remove all mobs except 1 and give it a respawn rate of 10 years and make it so that you need 1000 players to kill it.

Then the loot will have value and people can feel good.

You might get lag but because low pings will be scarce it means you will have value nonetheless.

[starkind]

It sounds like you need to make a video game OP.

Hth

[Jimjam]

I need to see peer reviewed citations on

1) is unfairness bad game design
2) whether Everquest game design is unfair
And
3) whether any assumed bad game design is intentional

[Jimjam]

Remove all mobs except 1 and give it a respawn rate of 10 years and make it so that you need 1000 players to kill it.



Literally Kerafym.

[Gustoo]

I agree, the "legacy item" implementation on p99 servers is pretty dumb.

It's dumb because on live, no one knew these items were going to be nerfed and removed from the game.

It's dumb because it makes the obtaining of these items the most valuable thing you can do when a new server launches.

It's dumb because it isn't classic. No live servers had manastones after the original ones were nerfed. No new live servers had guises after the original ones were nerfed. So on and so forth.

It is my greatest hope that future p99 servers do not have these items implemented in the non-classic and game ruining way they have been introduced on green.

[starkind]

3) whether any assumed bad game design is intentional

We all know the answer to this because we all sat around and listend to Brad and Smed be like man this is our world!!! The Vision

Definitely intentional.

It's not bad game design tho. To say it's bad is disingenuous. Is it profitable? No.

[starkind]

We all know the answer to this because we all sat around and listend to Brad and Smed be like man this is our world!!! The Vision

Definitely intentional.

It's not bad game design tho. To say it's bad is disingenuous. Is it profitable? No.

Or just not that profitable. I mean EQ1 generated plenty of profit lol.

[Jimjam]

Or just not that profitable. I mean EQ1 generated plenty of profit lol.

It’s still going too, so thats a check in the job security box!

[El Camacho]

Occupy Freeport!

Good luck comrade.

[Elfminster]

The only reason i don't have a giuse or a runed fighters staff is because when the server first went live I was busy on combat duty risking my life hunting violent anti-democratic terrorists who wanted to take away your freedom to eat nacho cheese doritos and play everquest in your underpants.

While we were out on patrol one day our patrol vehicle suffered a huge IED attack and when I woke up from the coma the doctor told me he had to amputate both my legs. I also learned my 4 brothers were KIA protecting your freedom while I was out cold.

When I finally got back home and logged onto the server I found out guises no longer dropped. I was so devastated I sobbed for weeks in my wheelchair. Now when I log onto green players with guises laugh at me and calll me stumpy loser because I don't have a guise or legs.

I'vr started drinking hard liquor to forget what happened out there but I'd do it again if give half the chance because it's my sworn duy to protect your freedom to drink coca-cola and loot guises.

Forgive for not standing.

Oh, say, can you see by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming.
And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say, does that star spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave

[Elfminster]

VETERANS WITHOUT GUISES

A campaign representing the brave men and women who risked everything for your freedom only to discovder they're not allowed pre-nerf loot because they were too late logging on after returning from combat duty.

/salute

[A Knight]

The game is supposed to simulate a real world, not a world of warcraft.

Maybe if we were playing a Communism real world game, we could all be super equal and it would be fun.

I think soviets were fun bad guys sometimes too. Their uniforms aren't that bad looking.

[Jimjam]

The only reason i don't have a giuse or a runed fighters staff is because when the server first went live I was busy on combat duty risking my life hunting violent anti-democratic terrorists who wanted to take away your freedom to eat nacho cheese doritos and play everquest in your underpants.

While we were out on patrol one day our patrol vehicle suffered a huge IED attack and when I woke up from the coma the doctor told me he had to amputate both my legs. I also learned my 4 brothers were KIA protecting your freedom while I was out cold.

When I finally got back home and logged onto the server I found out guises no longer dropped. I was so devastated I sobbed for weeks in my wheelchair. Now when I log onto green players with guises laugh at me and calll me stumpy loser because I don't have a guise or legs.

I'vr started drinking hard liquor to forget what happened out there but I'd do it again if give half the chance because it's my sworn duy to protect your freedom to drink coca-cola and loot guises.

Forgive for not standing.

Oh, say, can you see by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming.
And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say, does that star spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave


Either a nice larp or very sad story. Either way, perhaps your frustration at a lack of guise is a transference from a feeling of lack of other things?

Seriously though, there are lots of avenues for help, whatever your situation.

https://www.betterhelp.com

https://www.ptsd.va.gov

[Elfminster]

The game is supposed to simulate a real world, not a world of warcraft.

Maybe if we were playing a Communism real world game, we could all be super equal and it would be fun.

I think soviets were fun bad guys sometimes too. Their uniforms aren't that bad looking.

Video games are intentionally designed to be fair otherwise nobody would play them, duh. WoW and EQ are no different. They certainly look different and play different but they both designed from the ground up to be as fair as possible for maximum fun for all. If you create an unfair video game you're practically punching yourself in the face and deserve a darwin award.

Somebody at verant decided, later on, after the fact, to create pre-nerf loot for some inexplicable reason which created 2 circles of players when there should only be 1.

[Elfminster]

Either a nice larp or very sad story. Either way, perhaps your frustration at a lack of guise is a transference from a feeling of lack of other things?

Seriously though, there are lots of avenues for help, whatever your situation.

https://www.betterhelp.com

https://www.ptsd.va.gov

It's not really about the guise it's more about bad games design going unchecked so some people benefit at other people's expense. I don't want to be your personal bottle of viagra.

People keep telling me life isn't fair, well then this isn't life then. this s something else.

one 1/6 life maybe?

[Elfminster]

Either a nice larp or very sad story. Either way, perhaps your frustration at a lack of guise is a transference from a feeling of lack of other things?

Seriously though, there are lots of avenues for help, whatever your situation.

https://www.betterhelp.com

https://www.ptsd.va.gov

and omfg

what the fuck is it with you people keep posting the same old stupid links to stupid fucking useless therapy web sites and asking, "is it because of a lack of oher things in life?" like you really fucking care when you're just obviously fucking trolling.

god almighty you're like a fucking broken record.

it's caring without fucking caring so it's not caring.

yes, I lack things in life it's no fucking secret and there ain't no shame in it not in an evil world

if i was in a good world lacking things then i'd be fucking worried but i'm not

why the fuck am i even answering you?

[reebz]

Never had a guise on Beastagor, absolutely shit on many people who had a guise

Move to resolved

[Elfminster]

Here is a message from a gifted high school student and fellow Norrathian called Tommy who is studying to be a life saving doctor. He runs an animal shelter for abandoned kittens in his spare time. He's still recovering from his near fatal ordeal. This is what he recently wrote while learning to cure cancer (he gave me permission to show you this letter which he wrote to his dead grandfather who was a medal of honor WW2 veteran).

Hello grandpa, it's me again, your grandson Tommy.

Something strange happened to me recently which completely changed my life and I desperatley need to share it with somebody and I've decided to share it with you my hero.

It all started when I first heard the news; a new EQ server.

"Woot!" I shouted because I was so thrilled at the wonderful news.

I was so looking forward to the server launch as I patiently waited in line with a good supply of nacho cheese doritos and coca-cola at the ready. I had my heart set on getting pre-nerf loot because I've never had the chance before what with all the medical studies and working 3 jobs to pay off sudent loans.

As you know, Dad fucked off just like you did before I got to meet him properly so he's not around to help out with things. The last I heard, he was snorting pure cocaine off a young hooker's arse deep in the Columbian jungle after doing hard time for countefeiting amateur porno videos. I heard the locals don't debate the shape of the hooker's arse because they've all seen it for themselves personally.

It's round, just in case you're wondering, at least it is according to a friend of a friend who told me he once saw it in the flesh during one exceptionally hot summer when he was down there "taking seismic activity readings". He also spoke of armed locals mysteriously disappearing never to be seen again. NASA claims it's flat though so your guess is as good as mine but those south american girls are usually built for fun so i'm going with round like a half football and double extra jiggly.

Mama is sick now so it's all up to me to support her, my 5 sisters, 30 abandoned kittens and my pet possum Henry who I rescued from a hunter's trap when I was building homes for the homeless.

So I was sitting in class one day dreaming of turning my wood elf druid into a dark elf druid and then giving free ports to the less fortunate like I usually do. It was then that all hell broke lose. I heard loud bangs and school girls screaming in terror and saw bodies going splat.

The last thing I remember was seeing a Ranbo-esque figure running towards me with a bowie knife yelling "die non-gentile scum die!".

Then I woke up in a hospital bed surrounded by medical personnel who told me that my best friends had all been shot dead and that I had lost a kidney after being stabbed 6 times by an atheist who hated non-gentiles which confused me because I'm acually non-religious but apparently the atheist terrorist had targetted the wrong school by mistake which explains the confusion.

After all the commotion had died down and I was alone with the doctor I wasn't brave enough to ask him the question I really wanted to ask him, it would take me a few more days to pluck up the courage to ask that question.

I'll never forget the day I did...

It was a bright sunny day. The sky was deep blue. The clouds were white and puffy. There was a nice cool breeze. Rick Astley was playing on the radio. The birds were chirping. Everybody was living their best life.

I peered out of the door into the busy hallway to see if I could catch a pre-emptive glimpse of the doctor arriving. While waiting I was lucky enough to spot a sexy nurse wearing black fishnet stockings bending over to pick up an envelope off the hallway floor. It turned me on greatly so I had a quick danger wank.

Shortly afterwards the doctor walked in with a skip in his step and a smile on his face.

"Good mornig, hero" he said to me, in a cheerful voice, as he turned his back to me to check a graph.

I took a deep breath and whispered to myself, "You can do this! Be brave!"

I reached out and put my hand on his shoulder and with a trembling voice I said,

"Doc...wha...what about the guises? Are..they...still fucking dropping bro?"

I gripped my zimmer frame tightly with my other hand to steady myself as I waited for the answer with a longing stare.

The doctor slowly turned around with a blank look on his face.

"You need to rest now..." he replied, his voice quivering, as he tried to lead me to the bed by my arm.

"I NEED TO KNOW DAMN YOU!" I yelled, pulling my arm away and making him jump.

He walked to the window and stared out of it into the distance.

I knew then it was bad news.

After an awkward 30 minutes of total silence he turned to me and replied,

"They stopped dropping while your were on life support in that coma. I'm so sorry, son."

"How...how...many did you loot doc?" I asked, wiping the tears from my eyes.

"Does it re..." he replied, wiping the tears from his eyes.

"HOW MANY DOC?" I yelled, rudely interrupting him mid sentence, making him jump again.

"FOURTEEN" he screamed, making me jump.

I watched as he ran into the hallway and down the corridor.

My head started spinning.

It felt like I was being shot all over again.

I fell over banging my head on the hard granite floor.

After I woke up from the second coma the doctor showed me my medical bill and I passed out again.

When I finally got home I logged onto the server only to discover everybody was a dark elf except me. My dream in tatters I ran down a dark Freeport alley and logged off in shame and then cried myself to sleep in the bath tub listening to The Smiths.

I haven't been back online since.

It's still painful when I cry because of all the corrective surgery.

I still remember you telling me about the good old days grandpa when there was enough guises for everybody. Sometimes, I wish I had a time machine.

Tomorrow I'm going to take a medical course on curng blindness in children and then I have to pickup 15 abandoned puppies.

Wish me luck! :-)

Your grandson,

Tommy the Guiseless
American high school student, cancer curer in the making, huge boob nerd, ass fanatic

PS. Thanks for getting gunned down on that beach to protect our freedoms /salute

[Jimjam]

and omfg

what the fuck is it with you people keep posting the same old stupid links to stupid fucking useless therapy web sites and asking, "is it because of a lack of oher things in life?" like you really fucking care when you're just obviously fucking trolling.

god almighty you're like a fucking broken record.

it's caring without fucking caring so it's not caring.

yes, I lack things in life it's no fucking secret and there ain't no shame in it not in an evil world

if i was in a good world lacking things then i'd be fucking worried but i'm not

why the fuck am i even answering you?

You’re answering because you think behind my trollish facade I may actually have a point and actually care?

The amount of energy you have to battle this cause is admirable, but honestly I think it is misdirected. this may seem brutal, but Getting a mask or whatever fairness in eq isn’t going to resolve these feelings of unfairness in life nor bring your legs/mates back. I wasn’t trying to diss you when I pointed you towards counselling or similar solutions. I know others on the forum joke about it but i’m being serious in that I believe it will be genuinely helpful to you. I think with help you can have these feelings of unfairness resolved and it will help out in wide aspects of your life. But I’m not a counsellor nor psychologist so what do I know?

If you’re already in some kind of practitioner relationship it may will be worth mentioning to them about your feelings of unfairness in this game.

Anyway, best of luck mate and sorry to hear about your injuries and losses. I put my troll mask back on now.

[Elfminster]

You’re answering because you think behind my trollish facade I may actually have a point and actually care?

The amount of energy you have to battle this cause is admirable, but honestly I think it is misdirected. this may seem brutal, but Getting a mask or whatever fairness in eq isn’t going to resolve these feelings of unfairness in life nor bring your legs/mates back. I wasn’t trying to diss you when I pointed you towards counselling or similar solutions. I know others on the forum joke about it but i’m being serious in that I believe it will be genuinely helpful to you. I think with help you can have these feelings of unfairness resolved and it will help out in wide aspects of your life. But I’m not a counsellor nor psychologist so what do I know?

If you’re already in some kind of practitioner relationship it may will be worth mentioning to them about your feelings of unfairness in this game.

Anyway, best of luck mate and sorry to hear about your injuries and losses. I put my troll mask back on now.

You're completely off-topic.

I'm not here for a therapy session from you or anybody.

This is a rant about bad games design that's why the title is Why create bad game design on purpose?

[Elfminster]

I agree, the "legacy item" implementation on p99 servers is pretty dumb.

It's dumb because on live, no one knew these items were going to be nerfed and removed from the game.

It's dumb because it makes the obtaining of these items the most valuable thing you can do when a new server launches.

It's dumb because it isn't classic. No live servers had manastones after the original ones were nerfed. No new live servers had guises after the original ones were nerfed. So on and so forth.

It is my greatest hope that future p99 servers do not have these items implemented in the non-classic and game ruining way they have been introduced on green.

Careful, you might get spammed with therapy web site links and counselling advice.

:rolleyes:

[Jimjam]

Careful, you might get spammed with therapy web site links and counselling advice.

:rolleyes:

You’re the one larping as a ptsd vet. Worth taking seriously just in case it isn't a larp.

For what it’s worth Gustoo is on the money:

You're a perfect example of why non-classic changes are necessary.

You come here to a classic server with the expectation of all past exploitable things being abusable, otherwise it's not legitimized in your mind. You fail to realize that it's not classic to begin with if these things people barely knew about started getting widespread usage, they no longer become classic. Many of these things were changed back then immediately upon developer realizations, for good reason.

To repeat something I said in Discord and to address one item in your list, NToV dragons were never solo pulled to the zone in in Classic with the consistency and precision that we started to see here. People raided NToV like a normal raid zone. A change was needed to return that to be the case. These mobs were rooted in Luclin because it was always intended by the developers that they be fought in or near their lairs.

We will continue to make changes as we feel necessary to restore a classic atmosphere and difficulty, including non-classic changes to meet those goals. To not do so otherwise would result in a server far detrimental to the health of the community as a whole.

I will not be commenting on this again.

[Elfminster]

I need to see peer reviewed citations on

1) is unfairness bad game design


2. is plucking your eyes out short-sighted
3. is stabbing yourself in the face moronic
4. is setting your hair on fire stupid
5. is hacking the server dumb
6. is cheating unfair
7. is playing video games without a monitor pointless
8. is burning your house down idiotic
9. is swimming with piranhas crazy
10. is driving your RV off a cliff insane
11. is drowning kittens mean
12. is eating dog shit sick
13. is jimjam acting the maggot

:eek:

[Elfminster]

14. is bad game design unfair

:confused:

[Elfminster]

A recent scientific survey by top scientists around the world concluded that doing something bad results in something bad happening.

Scientists are now conducting a second survey to decide whether the first survey was necessary or not.

[Chortles Snortles]

containment server

[heartbrand]

We get it you want a guise … too fucking bad you are like elevenyears too late

Fixed this for you

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/86Gq3OB.gif

[GuidedbyLazers]

I made my account 2012 near launch of Red server and I never "simply logged in and got free loot"... what are you even talking about?

Everything yr saying is honestly exactly what I like about EQ... my go to phrase is always, "Q:What makes the Excalibur the Excalibur? A: There is only one."

When I see a player who is decked out in EQ all I think is, "Wow this guy loves the game and really put some work in, really nice stuff here. Very cool."

If you want to play a shitty game where every casual has everything that everyone else has and everyone looks the same, there's always WoW homie.

[mirabilis]

The only reason i don't have a giuse or a runed fighters staff is because when the server first went live I was busy on combat duty risking my life hunting violent anti-democratic terrorists who wanted to take away your freedom to eat nacho cheese doritos and play everquest in your underpants.

While we were out on patrol one day our patrol vehicle suffered a huge IED attack and when I woke up from the coma the doctor told me he had to amputate both my legs. I also learned my 4 brothers were KIA protecting your freedom while I was out cold.

When I finally got back home and logged onto the server I found out guises no longer dropped. I was so devastated I sobbed for weeks in my wheelchair. Now when I log onto green players with guises laugh at me and calll me stumpy loser because I don't have a guise or legs.

I'vr started drinking hard liquor to forget what happened out there but I'd do it again if give half the chance because it's my sworn duy to protect your freedom to drink coca-cola and loot guises.

Forgive for not standing.

Oh, say, can you see by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming.
And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say, does that star spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave

*chefs kiss* Nice.

[GuidedbyLazers]

Buying into the war machine and telling other people they are fighting for my freedom... the only thing standing in the way of America's freedom is it's politicians. Ether way just because you were on duty and didn't get a Guise doesn't mean everyone else got on for free. I was playing in 2012 and I don't have a guise... I never cared to get one.

[Allishia]

Guise is dumb, I want an sod though :o

[Gustoo]

Legacy items aren’t classic

No one raced to evil eye on classic it was just a mob dropping a cool item that some people thought might be useful.

Same with the guise.

P99 style is stupid and makes the game have fucked EMu only progression priorities. Should not be implemented this way. It worked for blue because no one knew exactly how the shut would be in the game and most people had never even killed evil eye since people just didn’t know that it was the place to be in 1999.

[Tunabros]

It is what it issssss

[magnetaress]

Okbudnik

[Fammaden]

Legacy items aren’t classic

No one raced to evil eye on classic it was just a mob dropping a cool item that some people thought might be useful.

Same with the guise.

P99 style is stupid and makes the game have fucked EMu only progression priorities. Should not be implemented this way. It worked for blue because no one knew exactly how the shut would be in the game and most people had never even killed evil eye since people just didn’t know that it was the place to be in 1999.

This guy's right about something for a change. Fuck legacy items, they steer the community's behavior far too drastically.

However this is in one of the most ignored sections of the forum so no one is reading it anyway.

[magnetaress]

Legacy items are degenerate for sure. So is limited TD binds.

[Tassador]

How long until magnetress is banned?