Red -> Blue one way transfer?

[Secrets]

Serious question, btw.

On EQLive, they allowed in-era one way transfers from PVP servers to blue servers. This meant that there is precedent to do this. This would not include Blue -> Red transfers, as in the original vision, that was not something that was acceptable (level up in blue, transfer to a red server risk-free was considered out of scope.)

I have a 55 epic'd rogue I'd actually love to play again - even if on blue - but unfortunately, it's stuck on Red which has very little chance of ever seeing activity again.

Is that something the P99 staff would entertain at some point in the future? Given that the idea is technically within The Vision, I figured I would ask.

<3,
Secrets

[DRAGONBAIT]

Tell them to make a new pvp server

[PlsNoBan]

Serious question, btw.

On EQLive, they allowed in-era one way transfers from PVP servers to blue servers. This meant that there is precedent to do this. This would not include Blue -> Red transfers, as in the original vision, that was not something that was acceptable (level up in blue, transfer to a red server risk-free was considered out of scope.)

I have a 55 epic'd rogue I'd actually love to play again - even if on blue - but unfortunately, it's stuck on Red which has very little chance of ever seeing activity again.

Is that something the P99 staff would entertain at some point in the future? Given that the idea is technically within The Vision, I figured I would ask.

<3,
Secrets

This would be cool. I think I still have my 50 something wizard on Red collecting dust. I see no reason not to do this. Red is kind of a lost cause in it's current state unfortunately so why not?

Edit: The only good argument I can see against this is taking up staff time in processing transfers. But I imagine most of this could be automated/scripted without too much hassle?

[funnland]

I'm curious how much the Red server actually costs to keep running? Considering the small population, not much (apparently Red runs on VMs as opposed to Blue/Green).

But unless Roegan decides to try and reduce costs (recession is coming!), I don't see the motivation to do this. More than likely, something like this comes in in the form of dumping every Red character on Blue, and shutting down the server.

[Gustoo]

I think a red to blue voluntary transfer would be rational, as it is a classic occurance.

But I think if the staff put a nail in the coffin by saying “never a new pvp server” some more people might play red 1.0 for shits and giggles, though it would never be healthy again it might get some activity.

Im in favor of it. I wouldnt transfer gustoo but maybe a couple other characters that I’ll never play on red.

Even better would be a red 2 announce which would make red 1 pop happy right away because 1 they get to progression again, and 2, eventually all their pixels on red 1 get merged with 2 and they can have more players to interact with.

I’m in favor of p99 team doing -anything- about red even if it’s to provide an escape chute for retired players to join the living world.

I wouldnt take it though.

[Allishia]

That's a really good idea, I'm sure people would love to get to use their 60 red toons etc instead of them just rotting away on a dead server /nod

[starkind]

Great idea.

[circlerogue]

Make it a one time thing like they did when Teal broke off from Green. Give everyone a date when they need to decide and make that decision final.

[Old_PVP]

Would be cool. Any type of update would be nice. Staff won’t do it though cause they hate red folk. I’ve officially given up hope.

[Kavious]

Edit: The only good argument I can see against this is taking up staff time in processing transfers. But I imagine most of this could be automated/scripted without too much hassle?

This was already done when they did Green to Teal transfers and they setup an in-game command for a one way transfer. It was smooth and seamless, could immediately login to the new server after using the command

[Secrets]

I sent a PM directly to nilbog, his argument was that XP bonuses exist on red that didn't on blue - and I think that's a fair assessment given that red is basically risk-free leveling.

IMO - if Red is ever shut down, it should be moved to Blue. Or just nix the XP bonus.

[PlsNoBan]

I sent a PM directly to nilbog, his argument was that XP bonuses exist on red that didn't on blue - and I think that's a fair assessment given that red is basically risk-free leveling.

IMO - if Red is ever shut down, it should be moved to Blue. Or just nix the XP bonus.

If they opened transfers permanently into the future then yes. People would 100% go level alts on red for ez leveling then xfer to blue at 60 or whatever. I think there are easy ways around this. Maybe only allow xfers of characters created prior to a certain date? Or make it a 1 time thing with relatively short notice so people won't abuse the xp bonus. This would allow people to get their pre-existing high lvl chars off a dead server without opening pandoras box of people abusing easy leveling and transferring later.

[Gustoo]

Transfer people at 10 levels less than there level below 50, 5 levels less above 50

Ez

But also open red 2 and make the whole thing moot.

Or cancel red 2 and change the rules on red 1 while leaving it pvp.

[EatitNerd]

Just play your red toons then you dinguses, red still has activity vulak just died last week. OP is trolling, he’s a unemployed never goes outside loser he could make a 55 rogue on blue in less than a week if he wanted to.

[loserofgame]

I sent a PM directly to nilbog, his argument was that XP bonuses exist on red that didn't on blue - and I think that's a fair assessment given that red is basically risk-free leveling.
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While that may be a fair assessment today, for a large portion of Red's history, risk-free leveling was not the case, especially not in the upper levels. The XP bonus existed partly to encourage play on Red and partly to offset the unique challenge of leveling while constantly at risk.

I never personally agreed with the XP bonus (it is why I quit the server the first time), but I would disagree with the notion that the XP bonus is a good argument for disallowing transfers. Both Red and Blue are flooded with max level characters that makes the XP difference largely irrelevant, and Red does have its own unique challenges that make leveling more difficult even with the XP bonus: a limited item market, very few XP groups, and inconsistent access to ports for easy travel.

Although I enjoyed my time playing on all three p99 servers, including Red, there was a time when I hoped for transfers from Red to Blue to 'rescue' a defunct character. I see the appeal.

I somehow think it's unlikely, though - even if I think the XP argument is a poor one.

[starkind]

I never personally agreed with the XP bonus (it is why I quit the server the first time), but I would disagree with the notion that the XP bonus is a good argument for disallowing transfers. Both Red and Blue are flooded with max level characters that makes the XP difference largely irrelevant, and Red does have its own unique challenges that make leveling more difficult even with the XP bonus: a limited item market, very few XP groups, and inconsistent access to ports for easy travel.

not to mention the endless powerlvling that goes on on both servers...

i garantee if u start a toon on blue u will be lvl 50 in no time flat if u just hang around cb>unrest>MM>COM or whatever the spots are

[Disease]

Let red flood blue with uncontested pixels? LOL So you crack heads can mass transfer over and start Rmt and crashing the economy? No thanks.

[starkind]

ok guys

blue is a dead beta server

red is a dead beta server

the pixels aren't any kind of achievement, that happened in 1999 and 2001

hth

but if u want to feel like u r real cool and are afraid of red players rolling up on blue big *hugs*, wan't a tic tac?

[Robersonroger38]

/Hollywood laugh!!

[Albane]

Tell them to make a new pvp server

I would love to see a new red server with a 2 year reset timer. 6 months for each version through velious and then reset it with all characters lost and start over (I do this with hundreds of hours lost all the time in PoE).

[Zoolander]

the exp bonus argument is not rly an argument with highend twinkage u get for free when starting a new toon on blue.

[starkind]

Bluebies irritate me when they think they are good at video games and they face some kinda adversity or challenge.

Tbh u could get ur char moved there but you will stop wanting to play. Can't get past lvl 20 on blue no matter how hard I try.

[funnland]

I sent a PM directly to nilbog, his argument was that XP bonuses exist on red that didn't on blue - and I think that's a fair assessment given that red is basically risk-free leveling.

IMO - if Red is ever shut down, it should be moved to Blue. Or just nix the XP bonus.

Certainly that would have been a more substantial concern years ago when red was more active and the servers were not as old as they are now.

But at this point, it probably doesn't really matter. There are so many level 60s on blue that are active/inactive, that the small red population would be a drop in the bucket.

[Tunabros]

drugs

[starkind]

red 1.0 is the better pixel palace anyway and i am not responding 2 u tunabros i gotchyu on ignore

[Heywood]

No thanks. No sane person goes from red to blue. Sounds like an excuse to transfer to blue and RMT those accounts.


Hard pass.

[Zade]

Serious question, btw.

On EQLive, they allowed in-era one way transfers from PVP servers to blue servers. This meant that there is precedent to do this. This would not include Blue -> Red transfers, as in the original vision, that was not something that was acceptable (level up in blue, transfer to a red server risk-free was considered out of scope.)

I have a 55 epic'd rogue I'd actually love to play again - even if on blue - but unfortunately, it's stuck on Red which has very little chance of ever seeing activity again.

Is that something the P99 staff would entertain at some point in the future? Given that the idea is technically within The Vision, I figured I would ask.

<3,
Secrets


lolno

[Gustoo]

Rmt is a real concern.

Please announce red 2 and red 1.0 fate

[Fammaden]

Announcement coming any day now, be sure to keep checking in daily.

[Gustoo]

Announcement coming any day now, be sure to keep checking in daily.

Will do

[starkind]

Upside is there's probably no rmt at all on red1 r now. So it staying that way is good inmybook!

[EatitNerd]

Upside is there's probably no rmt at all on red1 r now. So it staying that way is good inmybook!

Lol uhh someone offered me 250$ for my scepter of destruction the other day randomly. RMT still rampant since server pretty active

[Cwall 146.0]

how much did you pay for it though? could turn a sick profit

[EatitNerd]

I didn’t buy it lol

[Cwall 146.0]

I'd be surprised to find out that the few of those that existed weren't RMTed

[Zemgus]

how much did you pay for it though? could turn a sick profit

chicken bones?

[Secrets]

Bluebies irritate me when they think they are good at video games and they face some kinda adversity or challenge.

Tbh u could get ur char moved there but you will stop wanting to play. Can't get past lvl 20 on blue no matter how hard I try.

Being tempted to log in would be an advantage over my current interest in Red right now.

I don't have a vested interest in Red (beyond the fact that EQ PvP can be cool with the right population), and haven't had one since TMO failed spectacularly trying to get situated there. My Rogue is from that era of TMO leveling characters up together.

I'd much rather be on Blue, where I could potentially play the game with that Rogue compared to Red right now where I cannot.

[ricquire]

I'd much rather be on Blue, where I could potentially play the game with that Rogue compared to Red right now where I cannot.

It is entirely viable to play that rogue right now.

I don't think one rogue to 55 meets the minimum for entering the chat "on the red experience", and I mean that as nicely as it can be said.

[heartbrand]

Weak argument about exp bonus considering risk of pvp and the fact you can do aoe groups on blue. Also if this is ever implemented (it won’t be) needs to be a permanent hall of shame for everyone who does it.

[Jibartik]

exp bonus

I would imagine the like last 6 years nobody played on red makes up for it.

[Secrets]

It is entirely viable to play that rogue right now.

I don't think one rogue to 55 meets the minimum for entering the chat "on the red experience", and I mean that as nicely as it can be said.

To be fair, I don't think the 'red experience' is a thing anymore. Any PVP'er that is serious will have moved to any of the other 'drugbox' style severs (devn00b, rise of zek, vztz, etc) instead of playing here.

This is an absolute fact. There's some level of cognitive dissonance with Red99 players that their server is still a viable game to play on.

Most serious 'red' players are waiting for the next schmuck to attempt a custom pvp server so they can roll on it for a few weeks after months of hype and quit until the next one. That's the cycle they are doomed to repeat - mainly because EQ PvP is a very niche category to begin with, and there's only like, say, a handful of serious EQ PvPers that are even willing to play EverQuest, let alone on an emulator.

I get the thought here - but simply put, I would not have an enjoyable experience on Red with my Rogue. I would on Blue, due to the population, availability of groups, and potential to complete raid content.

[Gustoo]

Im hearing a lot of guys talking about how they want to RMT their red stuff in blue server.

It’s important to note that this is a strictly enforced guaranteed ban activity.

Red forever please announce red 2 or red 1 ruleset change thanks nilbog and Rogean

[Secrets]

Im hearing a lot of guys talking about how they want to RMT their red stuff in blue server.

It’s important to note that this is a strictly enforced guaranteed ban activity.

Red forever please announce red 2 or red 1 ruleset change thanks nilbog and Rogean

I do have a strong desire to play my 55 epic'd rogue from Red, myself, on Blue if it were possible to do so. I have zero desire to RMT - that shit's lame.

I also find it appalling that you think I would do that. I didn't spend half my time on this planet preserving this game for you so you could make wild assumptions about my intentions.

[Gustoo]

I never assumed anything about you

[reebz]

I dont think people quite the new box's after 2 weeks because EQ is a niche game (it is) i think they quit after 2 weeks because all those servers suck

[Zoolander]

just dont let gms play in guilds on pvp servers...that could help to keep population up.

[starkind]

If ur emubuddiies u could probably make it happen 4u and only u.

Then u could go brag about being the only transfer in blue rnf.

[Secrets]

If ur emubuddiies u could probably make it happen 4u and only u.

Then u could go brag about being the only transfer in blue rnf.

Yeah but then I'd be accused of favoritism. I'm not taking 10k USD for manastones or any dumb shit like that, but it'd still look poorly on the team.

Not Paypalinda or RMTubael here. 100% clean whistle, aside from that time I saw Fatbella looking at porn. </s>

[ricquire]

I get the thought here - but simply put, I would not have an enjoyable experience on Red with my Rogue. I would on Blue, due to the population, availability of groups, and potential to complete raid content.

I think ultimately you are correct. The only people really on red are people who want a solo/extremely less populous blue/green. There aren't enough people to fight to call it a PVP Server, and most of the people who are EQ pvpers are seasonal/transient/forum dwellers.

[EatitNerd]

I do have a strong desire to play my 55 epic'd rogue from Red, myself, on Blue if it were possible to do so. I have zero desire to RMT - that shit's lame.

I also find it appalling that you think I would do that. I didn't spend half my time on this planet preserving this game for you so you could make wild assumptions about my intentions.

Claims he spent all this time on the game yet can’t even level a character on blue with all this “population” and “ease of groups” there. Anyone else find that odd?

[Heywood]

Sounds like someone just trying to get toons onto blue so he can RMT it.

Everyone can see through your ruse, Secrets. You're not fooling anyone.

I don't understand why anyone would want to play on blue/green. Nothing but toxic neckbeards who take the game too seriously.

[heartbrand]

Got two SoDs, five manastones and plenty of other goodies. Have not logged on in five to six years. Won’t be logging on to do a transfer to blue that will never happen. See ya on Mischief with Rogean who just got done coding a really cool bid bot for our guild.

[Secrets]

Claims he spent all this time on the game yet can’t even level a character on blue with all this “population” and “ease of groups” there. Anyone else find that odd?

Spent time preserving. I don't have time to actually log on and level anymore. So it's pretty limited to existing chars from when I had time from when I was younger.

Sounds like someone just trying to get toons onto blue so he can RMT it.

Everyone can see through your ruse, Secrets. You're not fooling anyone.

I don't understand why anyone would want to play on blue/green. Nothing but toxic neckbeards who take the game too seriously.

Do you see my forum title? I wouldn't waste the countless hours I contributed to this project on something as silly as that. I make too much money offline to even want to do that - 1 hour of contract works is essentially $100. Playing EQ is strictly for limited bits of pleasure.

I think ultimately you are correct. The only people really on red are people who want a solo/extremely less populous blue/green. There aren't enough people to fight to call it a PVP Server, and most of the people who are EQ pvpers are seasonal/transient/forum dwellers.

Pretty much, this. No one would put up a fair fight on Red at this point - they'd either run or one shot, and those are borderline sociopaths that haven't moved on anyways.

[Tassador]

This is a solid idea mass transfer every char that ever created on red lock the server announce unlock date as a release and there you go.

[Gustoo]

This is a solid idea mass transfer every char that ever created on red lock the server announce unlock date as a release and there you go.

Better than current status.

Or freeze all accounts for three years and unfreeze later when server already stagnant again .

[starkind]

i'm still in favor of transfering everyone on the entire project 99 to red and making it a permadeath server

[Heywood]

Pretty much, this. No one would put up a fair fight on Red at this point - they'd either run or one shot, and those are borderline sociopaths that haven't moved on anyways.

I'm sorry your bad idea failed and that you actually thought your title meant anything in a 23 year old elf sim.


Red will always continue to be the best P99 server out there.

[Gustoo]

i'm still in favor of transfering everyone on the entire project 99 to red and making it a permadeath server

It would be such a bad ass way for the project to conclude.

Like jet li in the one

[starkind]

It would be such a bad ass way for the project to conclude.

Like jet li in the one

Yeah it would be really great especially if we could get it all on podcast or YouTube Archive for a new generation to discover one day.

[El Camacho]

I'd much rather be on Blue, where I could potentially play the game with that Rogue compared to Red right now where I cannot.

Curious what it is that you would do on blue with your rogue that you couldn't do on red?

[Heywood]

Sounds like OP wants preference because he's "VIP" (lol).

Imagine needing your hand held on a 22 year old elf sim.

[PlsNoBan]

Curious what it is that you would do on blue with your rogue that you couldn't do on red?


Play the game with other people

Walk through zones that aren't empty

Do whatever you want without being griefed by a full raid geared neckbeard or de-lvl'd alt

Actually be able to buy/sell/trade things with other players

Have more than 1 guild to choose from for endgame activity (no matter how trivial)


Could keep going if u want but I think that's enough to make the point

[Worry]

i honestly have a couple of toons on red i would love on blue. but it will never happen.

[Amyas]

The toxic behavior of a few players on red in /tells and /ooc drive new players away.

Ldaan is one of the worst.

[LaMort]

when RED99 2.0 please ?

[Secrets]

Play the game with other people

Walk through zones that aren't empty

Do whatever you want without being griefed by a full raid geared neckbeard or de-lvl'd alt

Actually be able to buy/sell/trade things with other players

Have more than 1 guild to choose from for endgame activity (no matter how trivial)


Could keep going if u want but I think that's enough to make the point

Pretty much this, yeah.

[LaMort]

keep red 1.0.... and/ or open red 2.0 with dot message & target box colored

[mischief419]

Play the game with other people

Walk through zones that aren't empty

Do whatever you want without being griefed by a full raid geared neckbeard or de-lvl'd alt

Actually be able to buy/sell/trade things with other players

Have more than 1 guild to choose from for endgame activity (no matter how trivial)


Could keep going if u want but I think that's enough to make the point

This. Do you even need to ask? If the gms abandoned the server after they wrecked it from the beginning (exp loss on pvp death?? What the actual fuk - still salty about that decision - that wasn't even classic on ANY server).

If nothing is going to be done about Red, at least let us use classic mechanics to transfer back to Blue. Naked at minimum, although with gear would make things right. If you want to charge the classic money as donations to transfer, fine. It's understood no transfers to Green, but to Blue would just make sense.

If you think leveling on a 0 pop server is faster, where when it WAS popular how easy it was to cause an intentional exp death on others, you're dreaming. It's been years now - no one is taking advantage of the exp speed there. People only logon Red to dream.

[Gustoo]

People only logon Red to dream.

[Barik]

Just fucking reset the server, it's the easiest way to do so and every couple of years just reset it. It takes the least amount of effort that way.

[Knuckle]

Serious question, btw.

On EQLive, they allowed in-era one way transfers from PVP servers to blue servers. This meant that there is precedent to do this. This would not include Blue -> Red transfers, as in the original vision, that was not something that was acceptable (level up in blue, transfer to a red server risk-free was considered out of scope.)

I have a 55 epic'd rogue I'd actually love to play again - even if on blue - but unfortunately, it's stuck on Red which has very little chance of ever seeing activity again.

Is that something the P99 staff would entertain at some point in the future? Given that the idea is technically within The Vision, I figured I would ask.

<3,
Secrets

I too have an epic rogue, 56 actually. He's essentially a dead toon, perhaps the most useless class to have on a dead 1 box server. Would love to be able to play him on green/blue.

[Jimjam]

Park him in Soldung B and come pvp when I try fight sonic bats on my 57 warrior every week or so :)

[mischief419]

Just fucking reset the server, it's the easiest way to do so and every couple of years just reset it. It takes the least amount of effort that way.

No one wants to start over on Red with a barely noticeable exp gain to have pvp enjoyment, where there's always a twink within a week to make the exp gain meaningless.

I had a great suggestion earlier with good response to allow any server to /copy their char over, gear and all, to pvp immediately. Heck, make it so you can't lose exp even on npc death. Let the sole purpose of this server be pvp.

People don't want to f-ing level on Red. They want to pvp.

[Infectious]

No one wants to start over on Red with a barely noticeable exp gain to have pvp enjoyment, where there's always a twink within a week to make the exp gain meaningless.

I had a great suggestion earlier with good response to allow any server to /copy their char over, gear and all, to pvp immediately. Heck, make it so you can't lose exp even on npc death. Let the sole purpose of this server be pvp.

People don't want to f-ing level on Red. They want to pvp.

Coming from probably top 10 worst pvpers to ever grace red99, this is a joke.

[mischief419]

Coming from probably top 10 worst pvpers to ever grace red99, this is a joke.

This guy's still salty that I was superior - that's why he remembered me.

[Swish]

This guy's still salty that I was superior - that's why he remembered me.

Brokering it for a friend bro, pay the outlandish price.