Time for some reconditioning.

[starkind]

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Granted crazies still go to comfy hospitals with organic whole foods villages.

The cool pretty ppl and disabled get their xboxes powered ! Not by sterile men. By real nukefactories!
:o

[bomaroast]

Yes, leaving traps for any future civilizations is a good idea.

[starkind]

Yes, leaving traps for any future civilizations is a good idea.

Did you watch the video even?

[bomaroast]

Ya, "its not so bad" video is wrong. I learned as a young man working in a wood shop to not set traps for myself. It's a good thing to grok. That and entropy.

If we need reconditioning, it needs to be about accepting low-energy lifestyles again. The horse and the hand-tool will reign again, presuming humanity and horses survive that long.

[starkind]

Why not do both.


The private storage method he illustrates won't be a trap. Any new civs will never reach them within their hazardous decay period. Absolutely no way. They take up very little space we can still live underground directly above them and it would be pretty safe even if we boiled off the atmosphere and only lived underground cracking hydrogen oxygen and carbon from rocks and sipping algae and recycling our poop and pee. We could probably grow to 10 billion that way.

It's literally the safest way to get the energy to do that. Even if we did it on an incredibly massive scale. It would still only be a tiny fraction of the bad we are doing now.

Where they drill down super deep and slide it in tubes. The amount of waste is still ultra miniscule.

You could even live in a facility next to it if you had too and it would be a million times safer than living nexto a coal plant. And natgas while less toxic is really bad cuz methane.

[MrSparkle001]

Why not rocket the waste into the sun?

[starkind]

Why not rocket the waste into the sun?

Another person who TLDW.

Rockets blow up. Miss space. Fall back to earth. Etc.

Watch the video guys plz. B4 u get super critical!

It's even super safe during transport and staging. Unless you hit them with like nuclear missiles and well.. the waste isn't going to be a big deal than.
⚠️

[bomaroast]

I watched the video, dumbass. It's just wrong. If you can grok entropy, then you'll understand.

[starkind]

I watched the video, dumbass. It's just wrong. If you can grok entropy, then you'll understand.

The radiation decays before the containment could ever be breached. Maybe like a Theia level impact happens...then you're better off on Mars or Venus.

Even an apophis impact or pole shift wouldn't cause containment breach. Unless it was a direct impact which would be nbd from a residual radiation standpoint. Still less radiation than a coal power plant.

And 999999999999999999.9999999999999 forever percent chance all containment stays contained. Safely. Till its just non isotopic rock.

[Jibartik]

hopefully we get a few cities nuked paid for by the money spent on Russian oil then the libtards won’t be able to say nuke waste is less radioactive than oil anymore.

[bomaroast]

To assume humanity can build anything to last for eons is just a ridiculous amount of hubris.

[starkind]

To assume humanity can build anything to last for eons is just a ridiculous amount of hubris.

It doesn't need to build anything. It's literally in an open hole deep underground. Like deeper than we will ever need to care. We can drill like 5 miles sideways probably at a depth of over a mile.

[bomaroast]

That assumes stability in the Earth that has only existed during the holocene. Check out some Randal Carlson.

[starkind]

So he actually addressed that. That place in Africa the nuclear stuff only moved 30 ft or meters or something and stayed safely underground. Nbd. No horrible water table contamination even tho some water did work itself down in the there.

I actually read a cool article in natgeo or something and or watched something on PBS about it once. It's a really frickin neato place. The natural reactor. In Africa. Highly recommend digging deeper. No pun intended!

[Jibartik]

we need nuke waste all over the planet, so when dogs evolve to rule after weve killed ourselves, they will have evolved to live in a universe of radiation, so they can finally go off into space.

Another interesting theory for the lies of alien satan is: that humans WONT all die of radiation poisoning if we follow them off into the empty vast universe. Another thing god told his first creation, that satan ignores (and sounds like alex jones when he rants about the lies)

[starkind]

So like. I'm not saying Randall Carlson is wrong. When stuff happens on that scale and scrapes away a mile deep of a continent the stuff will just be reburried its not going to be a problem on those scales and most places will be fine for millions of years. Which by then there won't be a radiation hazard anymore. So if we are looking at the kinda cataclysmic stuff Randall talks about. The nuke stuff isn't going to be a problem.

We'll probably want to use that energy to make rocket fuel. So like he says we need to colonize.

[Jibartik]

If i was NK id turn the entire country into one giant nuke generator, then pump power out to anyone who wants to buy it, and call anybody who didnt a planet killer and make gretta thurenburg on the newthkorean dollar. And call the new country Newthkorea.

[starkind]

If i was NK id turn the entire country into one giant nuke generator, then pump power out to anyone who wants it, and call anybody who didnt a planet killer and make gretta thurenburg on the newthkorean dollar. And call the new country Newthkorea.

#metoo

This is how we save the garden and regreen the world for the doggo descendants.

BTW Antarctica is fricken huuuuge and covered in hydrogen and oxygen lol.

[bomaroast]

Lots of assumptions. Lots of hubris. Lots of traps being left based on assumptions.

Why not just go organic? A low-energy lifestyle has been sustainable for thousands of years. Only in the last 150 years have we increased our energy. I'm not saying to get rid of all electricity and revert to barbarism, but rather, there doesn't need to be electricity and a car in every single home. Communal resources.

Of course, we won't make it as far as self sacrifice. Not in this generation of humans anyways.

[starkind]

Lots of assumptions. Lots of hubris. Lots of traps being left based on assumptions.

Why not just go organic? A low-energy lifestyle has been sustainable for thousands of years. Only in the last 150 years have we increased our energy. I'm not saying to get rid of all electricity and revert to barbarism, but rather, there doesn't need to be electricity and a car in every single home. Communal resources.

Of course, we won't make it as far as self sacrifice. Not in this generation of humans anyways.

None of that is bad and we absolutely should.

Electronic field lines fuck with our chakra too.

oI_X2cMHNe0

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You don't launch stuff into space because we have limited resources. Until we can routinely gather resources outside of Earth, it is extremely stupid just to rocket waste into space. We could find a way to use it in the future.

[Jibartik]

Lots of assumptions. Lots of hubris. Lots of traps being left based on assumptions.

Why not just go organic?

because eventually the sun will bathe this planet in radiation about 50 billion times that we were able to create. :o

[Kaveh]

Luddite thread

[Jibartik]

Life sucks, then you have kids, and life sucks, and they have kids and life sucks and on and on.

That's what this thread reminds me of.

Wondering if there will ever be a generation where they dont need a good marketing campaign to like/dislike it.

[starkind]

Zero kids.

Ya'll are like children to me tho.

I took offense at being called a luddie even tho I shouldn't have.

[Jibartik]

I believe luditism is the right thing to do but up to a certain point its going to end in non existence so it cant be.

I hate when people have to like, secretly break away from the church to do science.

That is something I wouldn't want future generations to have to do anymore than I would want them to start over in a radiated world.

[Kaveh]

Zero kids.

Ya'll are like children to me tho.

I took offense at being called a luddie even tho I shouldn't have.

Wasn’t calling you the Luddite, sorry if it came off that way!

[Kaveh]

It was directed at Jeb Bush talking about low energy

Cmon man!

[Jibartik]

if jesus shows up and he teams up with elon, would you follow them into the darkness?

or would you be like, wait you guys together? and be suspicious.

e0H_fXxVn8k

[Duik]

Jesus.
Aint.
Real.
Elon, unfortunately is.
Collab is unpossible. Perfect word for a perfect sentence.

[starkind]

For the luddites.

IV3dnLzthDA

Remember there are always options. Greed shouldn't be one of them.

[Jibartik]

what if all cancer was from fosil fuel in the air lol

[starkind]

well

i'm not saying we shouldn't

we should know though

and we should find better alnternatives and do without a little u know - hold ppl accountable for doing it right - like using ethyl instead --- even if the profit margin is 3% instead of 80%

now that has it's own pitfalls

i'm just saying we can be smart luddites with technological progression it's important to learn this stuff less we make these mistakes

even if we kill off everyone!!!!!!!! than we can leave some tablets behind (i'm not saying this is G-d) I pretty much believe in G-d the G-d as a source of everything and sorta being everything that was is and will be

now -----

think about it like this though

I wonder if I'm dying from lead poisoning

My mom and dad were in the electrical engineering fields and my mom was a solderer and i lived outside a giant copper mine (not sure about this one might have been totally safe) among other things I was born at the tail end of 80-81 so right when lead poisoining was tapering off, but way out west were everyone was like ppssshhh --- maybe that worked in my favor tho because mormons are sorta luddites sometimes

anyway ---- i grew up with a lot of lead solder in the house and the fumes from that and hanging out and did a lot of soldering for work too i mean my lead exposure is right up there

---- i'm not playing the victim card here i'm just rationally laying this out as an example and my current symptoms are very much like Mr Midges (or whatever his name was)

now that lead usage let us build computers and do things and may indeed save all of us one day - like you say jibartik - pure luddism is certain death and no great dark beyond in the vasstly deep realms of the infinite with satan.

So

I'm just saying

Be aware

Don't just do things for pleasure or power

hold other people accountable to that

and share this great big beautiful earth and existence G-d gave you. Satan doesn't give a flying fuck whether we live or die. If anything were a curiosity that Satan is JEALOUS of.

I hope this is interesting and not just more annoying shitposting.

G-d Bless.

Maybe cancer rates have gone up, maybe they are always pretty high, I don't know how much, maybe they need to go up to 50% for the human species to ascend. I think we can do better. I don't want to be like California were everything is cancer. I also don't want to be like the Roman empire. I feel like the romans had good thing going for them if they could have staved off lavish decadence and collapse.

and we should strive for progress, like using nuclear fission to crack hydrogen fuel cells out of things. Or building minisuns.

I'm trying to say this is much bigger than lead or nukelear. And Nukclear is a good option. Compared to most others, with the least casualties. Mix that in with some low energy luddism and you maybe have an interesting long term mode that will work while we learn more interesting stuff, like where the shadowmen come and go from.

[Jibartik]

I heard someone say "if you were full of petroleum, wouldn't YOU drain those toxins from your body? Maybe after we finish the earth will flourish!"

I was like, well that's a good point I guess.

[starkind]

Once humanity dies or has to move on or move underground yes the earth will re-flourish -- all those bacteria and microrganisms will break that oxygen, sequester the carbon and create a new atmosphere of like 80% oxygen again. like it used to be or whatever it was.

We'll either be living in domes or underground or offworld (not even be human anymore like u and me are) and awaken to a world full of dinosaurs or giant dogs that are like 200ft tall. And we'll start the process over again. I think it will be beautiful. I'm mournful of not being there...

but hay I have wow, eq and NMS, and someone makes sure i eat a little bit every day so I am not in a place to really bitch

we should still do the nukes now.

y not do both?

anyway. :D

[Jibartik]

Atlanteans at the cave door when we try to go underground

https://i.imgur.com/ZEXrULy.png

[bomaroast]

.

[Trexller]

.

gay rabbits woulda died in the bottom of the pit

it's nature!

[starkind]

if jesus shows up and he teams up with elon, would you follow them into the darkness?

or would you be like, wait you guys together? and be suspicious.

e0H_fXxVn8k

He looks incredibly tense and Chinese there.

gay rabbits woulda died in the bottom of the pit

it's nature!

Still a mountain of corpses! (Oh I thought you meant if some of the offspring was gay).

Look you can force ppl to reproduce...you're going to have to steal my DNA tho and clone me.

[Duik]

what if all cancer was from fosil fuel in the air lol

All cancer is part of us as humans, anomalies and mutations form the basis of our ability to adapt. Get rid of cancer, and we loose that ability too. So, our greatest strength is also our weakness.
We need to know this. We are fighting ourselves in our quest to rid us of cancer.
Also, when humans procreate the female forms a cist on the wall of the uterus. This forms a basis for the group of cells to adhere to.
Cists are bad or good?
You get to decide.
Surely an intelligent designer would have made a better design. Another subject for another time.

[Jibartik]

I disagree that cancer comes from our bodies trying to adapt. It's a disastrous result of the dangers of constantly adapting in a world with oil in the air.

[Duik]

I disagree that cancer comes from our bodies trying to adapt. It's a disastrous result of the dangers of constantly adapting in a world with oil in the air.

It doesnt come from our bodies. It comes from mutations being both good and bad. Bad mutations are 'cancer' good mutations are advantageous changes that become part of the gene pool o v e r time. Simples.
Also agree oils and pulution im general in the air/water are bads.

[Jibartik]

but how bad is where I think it matters, like, are you suggesting that niccotine does not increase the rate of bad mutations, and the volume of? if you got rid of everything that did that, then youd have no "cancer" but you would still have bad mutations im arguing.

or cancer weould be so extremely rare that we wouldnt even know about it

Thats what I reckon with my zero knowledge on the subject.

[Duik]

With ya on nicotine, pollution etc could add to bad mutations.
My point still is that mutations are both, strength and weakness.
Absolutely agree we do not help ourselves by drinking booze, smoking, driving gas guzzling cars (bikes are ok :-p) burning stuff in general and breathing it in.
Ok, get rid of cancer by ridding ourselves of these vices not by removing our cells' ability to mutate. If that is where you were headed.

[Jibartik]

like take uranium for example, should we flood the planet with it (yes please) because it makes cancer mutations? no.

thats just what im saying, like what if oil alone has caused every cancer death on the planet, and without it our negitive mutations would be benign.

imagine that how nice that'd be to not have cancer be a thing. people in the future be like, haha wow it was just the oil after all we stopped that and cancer went down 98% would be like a, big ouch for our century of pain heh

[Duik]

Thorium, fixed it for you.
I like your idea, but as usual its prolly not just one of our collective stupidities that fucks us over. Nuclear power ftw. Thorium salt reactors. Still need research but in my novice understanding look promising and dont produce weapons grade waste furthermore can use some forms of plutonium in their reactors. Way too sensible to be adopted.

[Trexller]

Thorium, fixed it for you.
I like your idea, but as usual its prolly not just one of our collective stupidities that fucks us over. Nuclear power ftw. Thorium salt reactors. Still need research but in my novice understanding look promising and dont produce weapons grade waste furthermore can use some forms of plutonium in their reactors. Way too sensible to be adopted.

Thorium is still a huge maybe among 1000 other maybe alternatives. you say it still needs research, which is a massive understatement, that tech is still a twinkle in it's fathers eye.

Uranium fission remains the cleanest, vastly the most abundant source of energy that humanity currently has access to.

The folks out there who always cite "Chernobyl and Three mile island" are wildly misguided.

the 1986 Chernobyl event was yet another in a long string of screw-ups that occured under the Russians. The 1986 event was just too big to cover up, but they still tried. There were several "near misses" at the plant before the "catastrophic" melt down. That plant was doomed to fail by politics, not implementation.

by comparison, Three mile island was absolutely nothing. the ultimate Nothing Burger. Some systems failed, cool heads prevailed, and prevented a total melt down.

In Pripyat, you need the government's permission to go within 30 kilometers of the site.

In Pennsylvania, I drive by the three mile island...island, several times a month. until recently it was still in operation, it never financially recovered from its "fallout".

TMI is a running joke in this area. Chernobyl is a fear in Ukraine.

but "muh radiation" try this on climate alarmist - coal plants burn such a vast quantity of material that they produce more ambient radiation than fission plants.

until renewable energy sources can meet the demand for electricity, fission plants are the only ones which can meet demand, without burning fossil fuels.

I have absolutely no idea where the greenies think that they are going to generate the electricity for 3 billion electric vehicles, when we cannot meet the demands for a hot day in July.

[bomaroast]

I have absolutely no idea where the greenies think that they are going to generate the electricity for 3 billion electric vehicles, when we cannot meet the demands for a hot day in July.

There are too many damned people. The global personal car fleet (https://www.statista.com/statistics/970958/worldwide-number-of-electric-vehicles/) at the moment is estimated to be roughly 5.4 billion vehicles. That doesn't include commercial vehicles, industrial vehicles or airplanes.

If we were to replace the entire global personal car fleet with lithium-powered batteries it would use up the world's supplies of lithium with just a single fleet replacement. Again, that doesn't include commercial, industrial or airborne vehicles.

Likewise, did you guys knows that jet fuel is still leaded?

I'm not a luddite because I foresee the need for a low-energy lifestyle. Just observant.

[Trexller]

we don't need to go back to low energy lifestyles, this is the wrong conclusion to draw from our energy problems.

SOURCING is the real issue, not the use of energy.

One Example: the solar energy that hits the earth between the hours of 12-1 PM (One Hour) is more than enough energy to power planet earth for 1 Year. We're just too stupid to harness it.

People need to forget hydro, wind, or anything else. The Sun provides more energy than humanity will ever require.

Solar Solar Solar Solar Solar Solar Solar Solar Solar

keep saying it over and over until you forget anything else.

[starkind]

Plants and algea seaweed and fishies all the energy we ever needed and could have shared with the whales.

What if for 1.5 million years we all lived that perfect lifestyle. Until things suddenly started to really change.

I think we have less than a thousand years. 200. Maybe 400 at most before our civilization becomes the new trolls and orcs in the ruins.

[starkind]

So like everyone knows genisis right.

I think genisis is an allegory for today.

It's been on going like 20,000 years.

We've been around a lot longer tho.


Good luck with that hopium. We've 30 years or less.

It's not hopium. I'm with Jibartik on this one. I want to say I told you so. I'm extremely sad and frustrated ill probably die or be completely disabled before I can chip in and help lead people to G-d.

[Trexller]

Anything provided to 7.9 billion people will be an environmental disaster. We can't all have solar panels produced, shipped across the world and installed every decade. The return on energy investment on solar panels is roughly 5 years, yet solar panels rapidly degrade after a decade. This ignores the storage problem entirely.

you think too small, you're why humanity is still stuck in the dark ages.

stop bitching, go to school, engineer better photo-voltaic cells, leave a better planet for those that follow.

[Trexller]

Hey, we reached 420 ppm CO2 (https://serebrisky.com/2022/05/05/co2-reached-420-ppm-in-the-atmosphere/)! wooooooo lets gooooooooo

yeah because I source actual known and reputable sources, I knew that this measurement was taken on the largest active volcano in the world.

https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/2764/Coronavirus-response-barely-slows-rising-carbon-dioxide

"Hey guys, I am reading very dangerous levels of radiation when I put my geiger counter inside the nuclear reactor"

[Reiwa]

Hey, we reached 420 ppm CO2 (https://serebrisky.com/2022/05/05/co2-reached-420-ppm-in-the-atmosphere/)! wooooooo lets gooooooooo

Squad goals 😊

[starkind]

I can _chip in_ and help lead people to G-d.

@Jibartik

I was programmed to say that.

(lol)

[Kaveh]

Insects, birds, amphibians, fish & everything else living in the world's oceans are all in rapid decline. A statistic I saw recently was that there has been a 60% biomass loss of flying insects since 2004. Haven't you noticed that you don't really need to clean your windshield of bugs anymore? There is no personal choice involved for any of us. These things were set in motion before we were born.

30 years at most.

Ok doomer

[Jibartik]

Speaking of rapid decline, Evolution vs divine creation : https://reddit.com/r/memes/comments/ul20xa/the_darwin_incident/

[starkind]

Hope everyone sits with some bees and touches grass today.

[BlackBellamy]

We should all live low-energy lifestyles whatever the fuck that means, I guess wear burlap sacks and toil in the dirt and try to grow some natural carrot or shit. Lol. Yeah not for me.

My pro-gamer lifestyle needs to be supported by 100's of nuclear power plants.

Our nuclear waste is going to present the same problem for future people that the Assyrian garbage pits present to us. None.

Let's not infantilize the future people. They're not going to be fucking stupid and helpless. They will figure shit out just like we did.

Also, humanity's number one problem is not energy or pollution. It's depopulation and the attendant loss of productivity that goes along with it.

[starkind]

Like I said nuke plants are fine and less dumb than older technologies. You can also be an elite gamer and live in harmony with the environment. It's infantile to believe otherwise.

What gets me is vegan shampoo coming out of single use foreverplastic bottles made at a Dupont factory in China.


8, 2018 – DuPont announced today that it is investing more than $80 million to build a new manufacturing facility in Zhangjiagang, Jiangsu Province in East China.


Just really dumb if you ask me.

[Jibartik]

Basically we will get rid of fiat currency, and instead get paid in wavers.

The new tender will be like coupons that say

"one meat meal"

and like, "one vehicle ride"

[starkind]

Basically we will get rid of fiat currency, and instead get paid in wavers.

The new tender will be like coupons that say

"one meat meal"

and like, "one vehicle ride"

That will be fucking hilariously funny. Reminds me of the fully automated society that trades in fun points for rides at the themeparks and spa days and data time on the networks.

Shits going to be fuck'n lit. And all the depressed negative youtu.be 'Rs are going to be hospitalized with ZERO funbucks.