Ministry of Truth

[Castle2.0]

The Ministry of Truth (Newspeak: Minitrue) is the ministry of propaganda. As with the other ministries in the novel, the name Ministry of Truth is a misnomer because in reality it serves the opposite: it is responsible for any necessary falsification of historical events. However, like the other ministries, the name is also apt because it decides what "truth" is in Oceania.

As well as administering "truth", the ministry spreads a new language amongst the populace called Newspeak, in which, for example, "truth" is understood to mean statements like 2 + 2 = 5 when the situation warrants. In keeping with the concept of doublethink, the ministry is thus aptly named in that it creates/manufactures "truth" in the Newspeak sense of the word. The book describes the doctoring of historical records to show a government-approved version of events.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth

[Castle2.0]

There are 3 other ministries


Peace -- military-industrial complex
Plenty -- covid payments, which put inflation sky-high
Love -- "inclusion" and other D.I.E. initiatives

[Swish]

Yeah I read the book years ago.

[Jibartik]

does anyone have the idontcareaboutpolitics thread link they can give castle

[GinnasP99]

Looks like it's paste for breakfast, again.

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[starkind]

Luvbugs are from south America and not synthetic!

[Reiwa]

where you think they get the idea from? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Information_Policy_(Ukraine))

[Trexller]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth

where you think they get the idea from? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Information_Policy_(Ukraine))

Former Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard suggested that former President Barack Obama is behind the effort to establish a Disinformation Governance Board, which she likened to George Orwell's famed "Ministry of Truth."

"Biden is just a front man," Gabbard said on Twitter Sunday. "Obama, April 21: social media censors 'don’t go far enough,' so the government needs to step in to do the job. Six days later, Homeland Security rolls out the 'Ministry of Truth' (aka Disinformation Governance Board)."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tulsi-gabbard-obama-ministry-truth

[unsunghero]

It was either Matt W or Michael K who put it well by first explaining the difference between misinformation and disinformation

Misinformation is incorrect information, most often incorrect due to human error or accident. Disinformation is deliberately incorrect information meant to deceive. The governance disinformation board is going after disinformation. This means our Chinese communist party-style government has the absolute gall to claim that they are the supreme arbiters of what information is true or not, and also that they can jump inside the minds of those that proposed incorrect information and correctly assume their intentions. It wasn’t accident, it was design. And we your government know this…because we know all

Crazy freakin stuff

[Ooloo]

As with all things on the left, they give it a name that on it's surface sounds like a good thing to the naive, and jen psaki literally was like "hey who would oppose this??"

Like "progressive", oooh, progress! That sounds great! What do they believe?
- "they believe that it's okay and actually a good thing for guys with big hogs to walk around naked in the girls locker room after dominating them in swimming!"
- "........Oh"

[unsunghero]

As with all things on the left, they give it a name that on it's surface sounds like a good thing to the naive, and jen psaki literally was like "hey who would oppose this??"

Like "progressive", oooh, progress! That sounds great! What do they believe?
- "they believe that it's okay and actually a good thing for guys with big hogs to walk around naked in the girls locker room after dominating them in swimming!"
- "........Oh"

They showed this recent clip from some government function where a democrat senator or congresswoman or something (I didn’t recognize the lady) was questioned about a claim she made at a rally that police in America were hunting down and murdering innocent black people

When challenged she said “it was at a rally and I was speaking rhetorically”. Fair enough I guess. So would her claim be something the disinformation board would go after? We all know the answer to that one. Of course not. But it’s a claim that erodes trust in police, which could prevent someone from providing police information they need to solve a major crime. Or maybe prevent someone from contacting the police to save a loved one. So it could directly result in human suffering. But is not “disinformation” worth pursuing. Because it fits a political narrative

This isn’t an argument for the Ministry of Truth board, because it’s a stupid fucking idea and it WILL bomb in the polls. But just showing how easy it is to abuse such a thing

[Elizondo]

Wag The Dog narratives

[Jibartik]

all of us going through our posts when the ministry is activated

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ufzi0m/fascinating_video_of_sbu_arresting_russian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[Kaveh]

They make disinformation more popular by suppressing things like the hunter Biden story

Also, Dems won’t even be effective in this. Republicans like Mitch McConnell absolutely would, however. It’s very dumb of the democrats to continually expand government power and then complain when republicans do nefarious things with that power

Congress needs to be replaced 1:1 with people selected by Lot and then the new body of citizens needs to assert legislative power over the executive branch. This is getting ridiculous

[Ooloo]

I wonder if the ministry of truth will weigh in on the hunter biden laptop story, and punish those spreading the lie that it was russian propaganda, which was not only untrue but may have severely altered the course of the last presidential election.

SOME PEOPLE might say that's a problem that the "ministry of truth and 100% correct information" might want to look into!

[Jibartik]

Also, Dems won’t even be effective in this.

uh Julian assignee and Edward Snowden would like to have a word.

Congress needs to be replaced 1:1 with people selected by Lot and then the new body of citizens needs to assert legislative power over the executive branch. This is getting ridiculous

ok yea lets maga and drain the swamp

[Ooloo]

It’s very dumb of the democrats to continually expand government power and then complain when republicans do nefarious things with that power

It's dumb of the democrats to expand government power and then do nefarious things *themselves*. Which is why their support generally is absolutely tanking.

[robayon]

As with all things on the left, they give it a name that on it's surface sounds like a good thing to the naive, and jen psaki literally was like "hey who would oppose this??"

Like "progressive", oooh, progress! That sounds great! What do they believe?
- "they believe that it's okay and actually a good thing for guys with big hogs to walk around naked in the girls locker room after dominating them in swimming!"
- "........Oh"this is a government thing, not a left thing... not that the left has anything to do with Biden's admin at all, that's like calling Diet Coke "water"

what, you don't remember The Patriot Act? Operation: Enduring Freedom?

they also do this shit, they package poison with pretty wrappers. it's what governments do

[Reiwa]

this is a government thing, not a left thing... not that the left has anything to do with Biden's admin at all, that's like calling Diet Coke "water"

what, you don't remember The Patriot Act? Operation: Enduring Freedom?

they also do this shit, they package poison with pretty wrappers. it's what governments do

commie minarchism? :p

[Kaveh]

It's dumb of the democrats to expand government power and then do nefarious things *themselves*. Which is why their support generally is absolutely tanking.

Democrats can’t do anything dude, they almost lost to trump, a man dumb enough to stare at an eclipse. The dem gov of Virginia told parents they couldn’t say what their kids were taught in school. They are transparently bad at politics and can’t do anything

I’m sure in California they can, but in most of the country they are powerless. Democrats have a pattern of doing dumb shit and then they leave office and get mad that republicans used powers expanded by democratic office holders

[starkind]

World tree wasn't burnt by aliens. Sylvanus did it.

[Kaveh]

uh Julian assignee and Edward Snowden would like to have a word.



ok yea lets maga and drain the swamp

Edward Snowden wasn’t pardoned by your boy trump. That’s bipartisan

Julian assange can rot in hell, but I agree Snowden got railroaded for being a whistleblower first by a democratic administration

This however… this ministry of truth as used by the Biden administration would only advance conspiratorial adherence to anything they try to suppress. It is transparently a bad idea that is red meat to a base of “leftists” who will never hold power in this country. It’s an own goal and reduces collective trust in institutions

So basically Jib, I’m agreeing that this is a bad idea. But I’m noting that when the next Republican administration uses this, you guys won’t complain at all

[Jibartik]

Democrats can’t do anything dude, they almost lost to trum

think about the goverment like it's made up of different everquest characters roll in a raid.

the difference between democrats and republicans is when democrats are in office the people stop rioting, when republicans are they riot.

so with democrats you're able to get away with everything because people think you're trying to stop it, while republicans roll is to push the authoritarian ball forward.

So together you get like, this step by step, slow boil to dystopia.

https://i.imgur.com/LprWZgf.gif

[starkind]

all of us going through our posts when the ministry is activated

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ufzi0m/fascinating_video_of_sbu_arresting_russian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Do you have an account on p99. Are you friends with soandso. What will happen. Nothing. Please don't hurt him. It's all in accordance with the patriot act.

https://i.imgur.com/VbdnbBq.jpeg

[Ooloo]

think about the goverment like it's made up of different everquest characters roll in a raid.

the difference between democrats and republicans is when democrats are in office the people stop rioting, when republicans are they riot.

so with democrats you're able to get away with everything because people think you're trying to stop it, while republicans roll is to push the authoritarian ball forward.

So together you get like, this step by step, slow boil to dystopia.

https://i.imgur.com/LprWZgf.gif

The right has consistently said "peaceful protests are fine, because it is constitutionally protected. Breaking shit and beating and looting and rioting is not okay, and if you do that shit your ass is gonna get regulated on by cops, call us racist all you want." which I think the majority of sane americans agree with, even if they aren't brave enough to admit they agree with the right on something.

[Reiwa]

The right has consistently said "peaceful protests are fine, because it is constitutionally protected. Breaking shit and beating and looting and rioting is not okay, and if you do that shit your ass is gonna get regulated on by cops, call us racist all you want." which I think the majority of sane americans agree with, even if they aren't brave enough to admit they agree with the right on something.

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[starkind]

Remember when the natl guard just opened fire on a bunch of college kids.

Pretty sure we are still about the same no matter what coat of paint you splash on it.

[Kaveh]

The right has consistently said "peaceful protests are fine, because it is constitutionally protected. Breaking shit and beating and looting and rioting is not okay, and if you do that shit your ass is gonna get regulated on by cops, call us racist all you want." which I think the majority of sane americans agree with, even if they aren't brave enough to admit they agree with the right on something.

“The right” lies about losing an election and incites their worst elements to do something about it

BLM spending a summer rioting during Covid is bad. Democrats are consistently weak on crime and it costs them. You admit trump lost though, right ? The prevalent belief that he didn’t means you guys aren’t actually as law abiding as you think

[Reiwa]

“The right” lies about losing an election and incites their worst elements to do something about it

BLM spending a summer rioting during Covid is bad. Democrats are consistently weak on crime and it costs them. You admit trump lost though, right ? The prevalent belief that he didn’t means you guys aren’t actually as law abiding as you think

Jan 6ers shoulda stayed within the lines like BLM did.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone)
Although free speech zones existed prior to the Presidency of George W. Bush, it was during Bush's presidency that their scope was greatly expanded.

[Ooloo]

“The right” lies about losing an election and incites their worst elements to do something about it

BLM spending a summer rioting during Covid is bad. Democrats are consistently weak on crime and it costs them. You admit trump lost though, right ? The prevalent belief that he didn’t means you guys aren’t actually as law abiding as you think

The claim that he lost being totally 100% false is kind of just as specious as the claim that it's totally 100% true. Jan 6th was a complete nothing-burger that dems cannot let go of. Viking horns guy will just never be the villain that they desperately want him to be, because the public isn't quite that dumb.

The clever game the left played was creating an environment where if you question literally anything they say, from the 2020 election to covid policy to niche gender theory, you're somehow a wacky conspiracy theorist.

[Ooloo]

The disagreement is over what "law abiding" means. It *is* just to break an unjust law.

"Don't burn down your local target, thus victimizing tons of innocent parties, just because a drug addict died while (actually much after) being arrested" is not an unjust law, however.

[Reiwa]

The disagreement is over what "law abiding" means. It *is* just to break an unjust law.

OK Drizzt 🧝*♂️

(Why does my phone do this? :confused:)

[GinnasP99]

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[Castle2.0]

Patriot Act.....

Who opposes Patriotism with a capital P?

[Kaveh]

The claim that he lost being totally 100% false is kind of just as specious as the claim that it's totally 100% true. Jan 6th was a complete nothing-burger that dems cannot let go of. Viking horns guy will just never be the villain that they desperately want him to be, because the public isn't quite that dumb.

The clever game the left played was creating an environment where if you question literally anything they say, from the 2020 election to covid policy to niche gender theory, you're somehow a wacky conspiracy theorist.
No he 100% lost. He did tons of dumb shit from 2019 onward and no one in a suburb anywhere liked him at all

7 million vote defeat in a high turnout election. What a loser, can’t wait for Romney to restore dignity to the party of Lincoln. Maybe he’ll make being ugly and obese illegal. I sure hope so

[Kaveh]

The disagreement is over what "law abiding" means. It *is* just to break an unjust law.

"Don't burn down your local target, thus victimizing tons of innocent parties, just because a drug addict died while (actually much after) being arrested" is not an unjust law, however.

You get to decide what laws are just an unjust? What if I thought the law was just and you thought it was unjust? Did you know you’re given a vote to elect people and have courts to decide such things?

Again, if you act against the law you aren’t law abiding. You can work within the system to change laws, but you can’t not accept elections, riot, etc

BLM riots, you pretend laws don’t apply to you… where does it end dude? You’re both fucking the country over, you’re just too blind to see it

[Jibartik]

If we're going back in time for candidates palin/carson 2024

[Reiwa]

No he 100% lost. He did tons of dumb shit from 2019 onward and no one in a suburb anywhere liked him at all

7 million vote defeat in a high turnout election. What a loser, can’t wait for Romney to restore dignity to the party of Lincoln. Maybe he’ll make being ugly and obese illegal. I sure hope so

He did lose. It may have been BS to change the rules like they did, but he did lose according to them.

[Jibartik]

7 million vote defeat in a high turnout election. What a loser,

this is contradictory, he was such a bad ass that he got more people to vote in history.

he's not a loser, but he did lose the election.

if it wasnt for the intense self dread and nihilism in this country that people have because of illumianti brainwashing, then people would see the positivity in this world.

[Botten]

Wahhhhhhh

Jack Posobiec stated the Biden administration's Department of Homeland Security was going to be creating a 'Disinformation Governance Board' dedicated to 'countering misinformation.'

Oh no!!! But Republican's need their disinformation scams!!! How else are they going to keep their conspiracy loving right wing voters while desperately making up garbage to rake in independents?!?!

Hey we could always be as dumb as Candace Owens an say its a Ministry of Truth. That we are now deep in the 'throes' of a Harry Potter novel... Yeah she is an idiot. Ministry of Magic you alt right nut.

It is sad the 'right,' now is resorting to desperately fearmongering to squash this group. What are the right afraid of? Do they really think.. and pardon the hilarity of this ... the democrats are going to try to trump (lol) the republicans in their world of crazy?

You all be ballz crazy in the Qanon garbage your party is now believing in. And who wouldn't want to try to stop some crazy extremist right voter pushed into going into a shooting rampage.

Hell in Australia, experts, police and others have been commenting on the failure of the authorities to act effectively in order to combat right-wing radicalization, and the government has vowed to put right-wing extremist individuals and groups under greater scrutiny and pressure, with their --->home affairs secretary. A week after the Christchurch mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, it emerged that three years earlier, Australian-born Brenton Harrison Tarrant, the perpetrator of the shootings, had been active on the Facebook pages of two Australian-based white nationalist groups. And from Charlotte and Jan 6th we know how bad America is swimming in alt right white racist groups.

Sorry saying what the popular vote believes in at least the last 7 elections and since 1992... you all GoP folk be crazy.

[Jibartik]

russiagate was fake

bidens laptop was real

covid was made in a lab

hope this helps!

[Elizondo]

Nazis had a Ministry of 'Truth'

Biden has a Ministry of 'Truth'

Botten defends Ministry of 'Truth'

[Botten]

russiagate was fake

bidens laptop was real

covid was made in a lab

hope this helps!

No just to clear things up the GOP party be Loco. I will prove it, I won’t even take from just one Republican representative’s statements. YOU ALL BE SERIOUSLY NUTS!

1. Rep. Majorie Green believed there was Jewish Laser beams we all need to worry about.

2. Rep. X-President Trump believed nuking a hurricane was a good idea, to inject bleach and infrared light into the body to kill Covid was something being looked in too.

3. Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie: Proposing the Department of Education is abolished.

4. Utah GOP Chairman: Arguing that women shouldn't even *want* equal pay.

5. Iowa State Rep. Shannon Lundgren: Arguing that women should be required to carry dead fetuses to term.

6. Missouri State Senators Bob Onder and Wayne Wallingford: Suggesting that women who seek abortions should go to the zoo.

7. Sean Spicer: Inaccurately stating that Hitler didn't use chemical weapons.

8. North Carolina General Assembly Rep. Larry Pittman: Comparing Lincoln to Hitler.

9. Oklahoma Rep. Markwayne Mullin: It's "bullcrap" for constituents to say they pay his salary.

10. New Jersey Rep. Leonard Lance: Suggesting that Planned Parenthood split into two organizations—one that performs abortions and one that doesn't.

11. Wisconsin Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr.: "Nobody's got to use the Internet."

[Botten]

Nazis had a Ministry of 'Truth'

Biden has a Ministry of 'Truth'

Botten defends Ministry of 'Truth'

You forgot that Elizondo believes and reposts fakenews.

[Elizondo]

You forgot that Elizondo believes and reposts fakenews.

Only fake news I'm aware of is the Russia Hoax and you still believe that garbage

[Jibartik]

Botten, what the f does that have to do with anything.

Me: three major world changing stories that the news media knowingly lied to you about.

Botten: once, a guy named larry pitterman in NC called lincon hitler!

lol who the f cares?

[Botten]

Botten, what the f does that have to do with anything.

Me: three major world changing stories that the news media knowingly lied to you about.

Botten: once, a guy named larry pitterman in NC called lincon hitler!

lol who the f cares?

You are truly an idiot Jib.

The statements were fine because they addressed my previous post that you GOP Trumptards are down right crazy. You need someone to tell you the Russian crap you are fed is fake (but just the same you probably wouldn’t listen to a government agency looking out for your fragile mind.)

And you gave absolutely nothing to help your posts in this thread.

Russians did mess with our elections how else did they get 8 guilty pleas and 30+ indictments in the government run investigation that literally said Russia interfered.

Nothing and absolute nothing has been found from the government investigation into Hunter Biden’s laptop. You failure of a person.

And a strain of Covid was found from an expedition to a cave of bats by students in September; who also got sick (before the out break in November-December in 2019) And the exact virus along with 500 versions of the Covid virus has been found in bats. There is no proof it came from a lab.

And that is the point you alt right conspiracy crazies hold on to this crap you are told and go nuts about it.

[starkind]

Jellyfish are friends.

[robayon]

Do you folks remember the whole "alternative facts" nonsense

Yeah, well, embracing that gets you stuff like the Ministry of Truth, so, hope you're happy with the bed you've made, now you have to sleep in it

[starkind]

You are free and live in the best country on earth.

[MrSparkle001]

You are free and live in the best country on earth.

New Zealand?

[starkind]

Healthcare is effective and affordable for the working class. i.e. not a scam

[Jibartik]

Russians did mess with our elections how else did they get 8 guilty pleas and 30+ indictments in the government run investigation that literally said Russia interfered.

Nothing and absolute nothing has been found from the government investigation into Hunter Biden’s laptop. You failure of a person.

And a strain of Covid was found from an expedition to a cave of bats by students in September; who also got sick (before the out break in November-December in 2019) And the exact virus along with 500 versions of the Covid virus has been found in bats. There is no proof it came from a lab.

And that is the point you alt right conspiracy crazies hold on to this crap you are told and go nuts about it.

False, russia gate wasnt "does russia care about our elections?" it was, did they collude with trump, 3 years, 3 frucking years, NO they did not: https://nypost.com/2021/11/04/the-real-collusion-was-the-creation-of-russiagate-out-of-absolutely-nothing/

Covid is not from bats, the fact that yo uthink that is true is a pefect example of the ministries success. pathetic.

and whats last, oh yeah: you think bides laptop is still fake.

You people are just the food court in the mall. No meat. No style. Clones. What a bunch of losers you are.

your whole argument is, the fake lies the media pumped into your brain dont matter because like you, republicans are dumb too!

[Reiwa]

No just to clear things up the GOP party be Loco. I will prove it, I won’t even take from just one Republican representative’s statements. YOU ALL BE SERIOUSLY NUTS!

3. Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie: Proposing the Department of Education is abolished.

4. Utah GOP Chairman: Arguing that women shouldn't even *want* equal pay.

6. Missouri State Senators Bob Onder and Wayne Wallingford: Suggesting that women who seek abortions should go to the zoo.

8. North Carolina General Assembly Rep. Larry Pittman: Comparing Lincoln to Hitler.

10. New Jersey Rep. Leonard Lance: Suggesting that Planned Parenthood split into two organizations—one that performs abortions and one that doesn't.

11. Wisconsin Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr.: "Nobody's got to use the Internet."

I can rationalize all these except the zoo one, which is just funny.

“Let’s think about this,” he said, referencing the state law that requires a three-day waiting period before a woman can have an abortion, during which time she must receive state-sponsored counselling to discourage her from going through with the procedure.

“Babies, it’s three days, so although there are members of this body who don’t agree with that three days, babies are three days. So, zoo animals, it couldn’t be more than 24 hours, right?”

He then explained that the waiting period for euthanising zoo animals is five days.

“I believe there's some sort of requirement to notify in case some other zoo wants to adopt that animal,” he said, before reportedly laughing. “Isn't that interesting?”

“Maybe we should send the people that want an abortion to the St Louis Zoo, because we know it'll be safer,” his colleague Mr Wallingford replied.

[starkind]

New Zealand?

Pretty sure if you're rich anywhere is pretty nice. NZ is pretty good for rich American expatriates tho. It's more expensive than Somalia. Obviously. It is a beautiful country tho. The slaves are sedate and mostly kept in check. Works out pretty ok.

[Jibartik]

haha great ministry in action last night:

Biden said that all the fox people were boosted and had to prove it to get in, this is infact FALSE many were not fully boosted, and there was NO requirement to be so at the dinner:

Servers and guests for the upcoming White House Correspondents’ Dinner reportedly said they have not been approached about COVID-19 testing and vaccine requirements for the event.

The White House Correspondents’ Association (WHCA) said earlier this month that it will require attendees to be vaccinated against COVID-19 and to show a same-day negative test to attend the April 30 dinner.




THEY ARE USING TREVOR NOAH TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE FALSE REALITIES


Talking about this is against the internets privacy policy.

[starkind]

Warren Buffett cares about you.

[MrSparkle001]

Covid is not from bats, the fact that yo uthink that is true is a pefect example of the ministries success. pathetic.

Does anyone still think covid came from someone eating a bat? A virus that took two months to spread around the entire planet came from someone eating a bat in the same region of China that has an "institute of virology"?

[Ooloo]

Does anyone still think covid came from someone eating a bat? A virus that took two months to spread around the entire planet came from someone eating a bat in the same region of China that has an "institute of virology"?

Not just an institute of virology, but one that specifically studies respiratory coronaviruses. As jon stewart aptly pointed out: "THE NAME OF THE DISEASE IS ON THE BUILDING!!"

[Reiwa]

Does anyone still think covid came from someone eating a bat? A virus that took two months to spread around the entire planet came from someone eating a bat in the same region of China that has an "institute of virology"?

I thought it was from a bat biting the lab man and him superspreading it to all his friends.

Maybe it came from here (https://depts.washington.edu/uwviro/) or one of the multitude of others in the developed world.

There's only one bat in WA though. 🦇♂️

[robayon]

Does anyone still think covid came from someone eating a bat? A virus that took two months to spread around the entire planet came from someone eating a bat in the same region of China that has an "institute of virology"?Just think about the first person to make butter

Or yogurt

Or beer

[Jibartik]

The establishment blames bats and pangolins for covid the way evangelicals blame gays for hurricanes.

They just hate the truth.

Parties flipped.

[Toxigen]

facts:

virus and "vaccine" were developed in tandem

biden didnt win

sorry you dont got F1 miami, hope this helps

[Reiwa]

The establishment blames bats and pangolins for covid the way evangelicals blame gays for hurricanes.

They just hate the truth.

Parties flipped.

Rodentia and chiropterans are known viral reservoirs. (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-3945_article)

[Botten]

False, russia gate wasnt "does russia care about our elections?" it was, did they collude with trump, 3 years, 3 frucking years, NO they did not: https://nypost.com/2021/11/04/the-real-collusion-was-the-creation-of-russiagate-out-of-absolutely-nothing/

What you are complaining about is that the Trump's campaign was spied on.
It doesn't change the fact that Russia interfered with our elections in the end result determined by an official investigation by the government that resulted in 8 guilty pleas and 30 indictments.

Covid is not from bats, the fact that yo uthink that is true is a pefect example of the ministries success. pathetic.

Keep drinking your alt right conspiracy kool-aid.

When SARS-CoV-2 closest known relative was a bat coronavirus virus found in 2016 in a mine in southern China’s Yunnan Province. RaTG13, as it is known, shares 96 percent of its genome with SARS-CoV-2. Based on the mutations carried by each virus, scientists have estimated that RaTG13 and SARS-CoV-2 share a common ancestor that infected bats about 40 years ago.

and whats last, oh yeah: you think bides laptop is still fake.

No one said it was fake you want some one to call it fake.
What is true is that a government investigation has FOUND NOTHING from examining the Hunter Biden's laptop. The conspiracies are from your alt right crazies and Russian disinformation.

You are a shining example why a government group to discredit the misinformation is necessary.

Maybe you just love the old administration and their hard on for Space Force?

[starkind]

American investors didn't fund the creation and study of Coronaviruses overseas where they wouldn't get in trouble. Or supervised. And labor & supply was cheapest.

[Jibartik]

Rodentia and chiropterans are known viral reservoirs. (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-3945_article)

The easiest answer is always the establishments choice, so they can focus on consolidating their wealth.

I'm done with the left and right, its me vs the establishment. And if you're again me you're for the establishment.

And if you're for the establishment: stop listening to music. It's not for you.

[starkind]

Heritable genetic modifications of American babies isn't happening in China.

[Jibartik]

What you are complaining about is that the Trump's campaign was spied on.

No idiot they tried to impeach trump for "colluding" with russia to spread missinformation to win the 2016 election and spent 3 years trying to prove it, and only proved it was all a lie made up by the establishment media.

No one said it was fake you want some one to call it fake.

https://i.imgur.com/jv0L6fG.png

https://i.imgur.com/YuoA9cj.png

https://i.imgur.com/3c6Urhj.png

https://i.imgur.com/WzuBuTw.png

https://i.imgur.com/NzOgH3z.png

Keep drinking your alt right conspiracy kool-aid.

Why exactly is the origin of covid comign from a lab, vs a pangolin alt right? explain that one to me mr big brain.

[starkind]

Covid doesn't leave you with heritable DNA, RNA modifications.

[Reiwa]

Heritable genetic modifications of American babies isn't happening in China.

Witty Lamarck.

[Ooloo]

When SARS-CoV-2 closest known relative was a bat coronavirus virus found in 2016 in a mine in southern China’s Yunnan Province. RaTG13, as it is known, shares 96 percent of its genome with SARS-CoV-2. Based on the mutations carried by each virus, scientists have estimated that RaTG13 and SARS-CoV-2 share a common ancestor that infected bats about 40 years ago.

Haha, yes "scientists have estimated that I am right!". Lots of scientists, including virologists and evolutionary biologists have also stated that the high transmissibility of the virus immediately upon passage to humans is unlikely to have evolved in nature- viruses that pass to humans from animals are not IMMEDIATELY mega-contagious like that almost ever- and that the most likely explanation would be a naturally occuring virus that was taken from nature, most likely a bat, and had parts of it's genome artificially enhanced in a lab for scientific study. AKA gain of function. Nobody is saying china did anything nefarious on purpose, other than potentially cover up the fact that they fucked up and leaked it by accident in the first place. But I know you really love throwing around the term conspiracy theory without addressing any of this, so..

[MrSparkle001]

That's exactly it. I don't know if China unleashed this virus on purpose or someone or a group of people were incredibly stupid and let it get out of the lab, but it is NOT a naturally-derived virus from someone eating a bat.

Only a moron would believe this was from a bat.

[Elizondo]

Botten actually believes that Pudding planted fake emails on Hunter's laptop to be found by a computer repair shop guy

[Ooloo]

That's exactly it. I don't know if China unleashed this virus on purpose or someone or a group of people were incredibly stupid and let it get out of the lab, but it is NOT a naturally-derived virus from someone eating a bat.

Only a moron would believe this was from a bat.

Well to be fair they *did* study live bats and bat coronaviruses at the wuhan lab, so that's just the thing: People on both sides can derive a conclusion here, because bats *were* most likely involved, but only to the extent that the lab was studying them. The lab still most likely genetically modified a natural bat virus and probably leaked it by accident through some type of contamination\lax protocols, so they'd have every incentive to deny it because it makes them look terrible. There's nothing conspiratorial about any of that, and in fact a fair bit of scientific testimony from relevant experts that backs it as a plausible hypothesis, but people just love to call anything they don't like conspiratorial now.

[MrSparkle001]

Well to be fair they *did* study live bats and bat coronaviruses at the wuhan lab, so that's just the thing: People on both sides can derive a conclusion here, because bats *were* most likely involved, but only to the extent that the lab was studying them. The lab still most likely genetically modified a natural bat virus and probably leaked it by accident through some type of contamination\lax protocols, so they'd have every incentive to deny it because it makes them look terrible. There's nothing conspiratorial about any of that, and in fact a fair bit of scientific testimony from relevant experts that backs it as a plausible hypothesis, but people just love to call anything they don't like conspiratorial now.

But they've been trying to pass this off as someone eating a bat from a barbaric wet market, which caused the person to fall ill and then suddenly two months later the whole world is infected.

Europe has been worried about backlash against Russia because they're dependent on Russian gas. Well imagine calls for punishing China for the virus leaking out of a biolab when we're all dependent on cheap Chinese products and labor. Would cripple the worlds' economies. The Trump trade war was bad enough, we can't have China being responsible for unleashing a deadly virus on the world. So nope instead let's blame it on someone eating a bat. It's just credible enough that people might fall for it.

[starkind]

There's no life in space dust.

[Botten]

Haha, yes "scientists have estimated that I am right!". Lots of scientists, including virologists and evolutionary biologists have also stated that the high transmissibility of the virus immediately upon passage to humans is unlikely to have evolved in nature- viruses that pass to humans from animals are not IMMEDIATELY mega-contagious like that almost ever- and that the most likely explanation would be a naturally occuring virus that was taken from nature, most likely a bat, and had parts of it's genome artificially enhanced in a lab for scientific study. AKA gain of function. Nobody is saying china did anything nefarious on purpose, other than potentially cover up the fact that they fucked up and leaked it by accident in the first place. But I know you really love throwing around the term conspiracy theory without addressing any of this, so..

Good thing we haven't had very infections virus passed from animals ever.

Then because Measles which is even more infectionious than Covid19.... it also must have been generated in a lab right and didn't jump from a zoonotic animal; like cattle.

The black death also must haven't been very infectious coming from rats to fleas to humans.

Nor the Asiatic flu a Coronavirus that killed more than a million in Russia during the 1889.

Stop listening to your stupid alt right news hosts they are feeding you misinformation.

[MrSparkle001]

Good thing we haven't had very infections virus passed from animals ever.

Then because Measles which is even more infectionious than Covid19.... it also must have been generated in a lab right and didn't jump from a zoonotic animal; like cattle.

The black death also must haven't been very infectious coming from rats to fleas to humans.

Nor the Asiatic flu a Coronavirus that killed more than a million in Russia during the 1889.

Stop listening to your stupid alt right news hosts they are feeding you misinformation.

You really don't know do you? Did the measles and the plague conveniently come from the same area as a virus lab "studying" those two diseases? And did they somehow spread across the entire planet in a mere eight weeks or so?

Covid-19 is not from a purely naturally-occurring virus. It started off that way sure, before it got out of the lab somehow.

[starkind]

Sugary yogurt is totally safe and FDA approved!

[robayon]

So even if it's a lab created virus, what is it you expect people to do with this information?

Not that I believe it is or isn't, because I don't claim to be an expert on this, but... so what? What's it change if it is made in a lab?

[Botten]

Botten actually believes that Pudding planted fake emails on Hunter's laptop to be found by a computer repair shop guy

Elizondo wants others to think Russian fake conspiracy e-mails (never even on the laptop) would have been taken more seriously if the laptop could have just been verified earlier.

It breaks his heart that no one is even talking about the laptop since the elections are over.

Sorry you are probably on suicide watch since even the governmental investigation has found nothing on the laptop.

Sorry Hillary's e-mail server 2.0 Russian scam didn't work in the 2020 elections. They didn't even try to be more imaginative.

[Jibartik]

So even if it's a lab created virus, what is it you expect people to do with this information?

not make the same mistakes 100 years from now because we are a species that is supposed to be evolving and learning, not hiding reality and the truth from each other.

Even if you dont care about corrupt people profiting from misery, there's enough reason to care if it was from a lab or not.

[MrSparkle001]

So even if it's a lab created virus, what is it you expect people to do with this information?

Not that I believe it is or isn't, because I don't claim to be an expert on this, but... so what? What's it change if it is made in a lab?

Well if it's made in a lab, why was it made in a lab? What protocols broke down that let it escape? Who is held responsible for it and the deaths and expenses it caused? (and the expenses are MASSIVE. The whole world was fucked by the planetary shutdown) How do we prevent it in the future?

Remember even on a small scale people were blaming each other and getting pissed at each other when they suspected someone had spread Covid to them by just being in their presence.

If they admitted in 2020 that it escaped from a Chinese virus lab the whole world would have been calling for hell to pay, sanctions and boycotts and calls for exhorbitant payments and whatnot, and the world is too dependent on China for them to pay hell. So instead it's someone eating a bat. Nobody can carry the blame for that but the anonymous nobody that ate it. Convenient.

Hope this clears things up lol.

[Elizondo]

Elizondo wants others to think Russian fake conspiracy e-mails (never even on the laptop) would have been taken more seriously if the laptop could have just been verified earlier.

It breaks his heart that no one is even talking about the laptop since the elections are over.

Sorry you are probably on suicide watch since even the governmental investigation has found nothing on the laptop.

Sorry Hillary's e-mail server 2.0 Russian scam didn't work in the 2020 elections. They didn't even try to be more imaginative.

Are you still claiming Russia planted emails on Hunter's laptop?

lol

[starkind]

Small businesses are able to compete with global corporations.

[robayon]

Are you still claiming Russia planted emails on Hunter's laptop?

lolAre you still claiming that a laptop is going to bring down a sitting President?

Still waiting for the election to get overturned, buddy?

Got faith in the justice system, do ya?

Hell yeah man it's raining indoors

[robayon]

Well if it's made in a lab, why was it made in a lab? What protocols broke down that let it escape? Who is held responsible for it and the deaths and expenses it caused? (and the expenses are MASSIVE. The whole world was fucked by the planetary shutdown) How do we prevent it in the future?

Remember even on a small scale people were blaming each other and getting pissed at each other when they suspected someone had spread Covid to them by just being in their presence.

If they admitted in 2020 that it escaped from a Chinese virus lab the whole world would have been calling for hell to pay, sanctions and boycotts and calls for exhorbitant payments and whatnot, and the world is too dependent on China for them to pay hell. So instead it's someone eating a bat. Nobody can carry the blame for that but the anonymous nobody that ate it. Convenient.

Hope this clears things up lol.Makes you wonder who does the coverup, then, and why our economies are so linked to the actions of the Chinese?

Capitalism is the best economic system, folks!!

[Elizondo]

Are you still claiming that a laptop is going to bring down a sitting President?

Still waiting for the election to get overturned, buddy?

Got faith in the justice system, do ya?

Hell yeah man it's raining indoors

I'm claiming the laptop is 100% legit

Are you claiming otherwise? Groomer

[Reiwa]

You really don't know do you? Did the measles and the plague conveniently come from the same area as a virus lab "studying" those two diseases? And did they somehow spread across the entire planet in a mere eight weeks or so?

Covid-19 is not from a purely naturally-occurring virus. It started off that way sure, before it got out of the lab somehow.

There's bats in Wuhan province. Lots of them. You've got the cart before the horse m'theydy.

[MrSparkle001]

There's bats in Wuhan province. Lots of them. You've got the cart before the horse m'theydy.

Convenient, that.

[robayon]

I'm claiming the laptop is 100% legit

Are you claiming otherwise? GroomerI'm saying it doesn't matter if it's real or not, your favorite president saw to that precedent :cool:

[Jibartik]

Are you still claiming that a laptop is going to bring down a sitting President?

no we, and NYT and pretty much everyone, is saying that had it not be covered up by the media, it would have swayed the election. I mean it's pretty egregious abuse of power and if anything should be under the microscope in this country right now its not social media, it's the media.

[Reiwa]

Convenient, that.

It is convenient to locate the bat virus research lab there. Good place to defend against the army of the night.

[Jibartik]

nothing is a threat to democracy more than the news media hiding information from people to help a candidate win an election.

[Reiwa]

nothing is a threat to democracy more than the news media hiding information from people to help a candidate win an election.

They learned their lesson for not ignoring James Comey the first time. :p

[Jibartik]

I hope one day the way they look back on us is that we were brainwashed into blaming ourselves instead of the cooperate media & lobbyist run goverment for our destruction.

[Ooloo]

It is convenient to locate the bat virus research lab there. Good place to defend against the army of the night.

There are also bats all over the world. It would be insanely coincidental that covid19 came from wuhan from somebody simply catching it from a bat, when there is also a lab there that studies those exact viruses, and as I stated before multiple perfectly credentialed scientists have stated that the early highly contagious nature of covid does not map on to how viruses evolve naturally. And fauci literally funded gain of function research in that lab, or at the very least something that is so insanely close to the same thing that fauci had to split major hairs to get out of it.

All of that is perfectly plausible. Why not consider it? Or if nothing else, why the effort by the left to portray anyone interested in the possibility as some fringe quack?

[Jibartik]

Bats being the cause is the ultimate mellinial nilihism.

"hey something that has shaken the world has taken palce!"

"Im so upset!!!"

"it was probably just bats"

"yeah makes sense who cares"

"it was a lab in china! greed! lies! corruption!"

"sounds like boomer shit to me, shaddap stop being a boomer."

*the rich get richer!

[Reiwa]

There are also bats all over the world. It would be insanely coincidental that covid19 came from wuhan from somebody simply catching it from a bat, when there is also a lab there that studies those exact viruses, and as I stated before multiple perfectly credentialed scientists have stated that the early highly contagious nature of covid does not map on to how viruses evolve naturally. And fauci literally funded gain of function research in that lab, or at the very least something that is so insanely close to the same thing that fauci had to split major hairs to get out of it.

All of that is perfectly plausible. Why not consider it? Or if nothing else, why the effort by the left to portray anyone interested in the possibility as some fringe quack?

There's a big cave system there where they are highly endemic. So it's clearly a good environment for them.

Different animals populations have different pathogens, so I guess these bats are locally adapted to be better at having coronavirii than other bat populations.

[starkind]

Bats make great pets.

[Jibartik]

Not like there are such thing as reporters, or journalists or anything???? They're too busy trying to cancel Bill Murry! SMH!!!!

https://i.imgur.com/XBiD84w.jpg

[Reiwa]

Bats make great pets.

Hehe the lab is there to interdict cross species transfer.

But let's be mad at the lab. (https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/577bf901-89f3-419b-959c-10123b9976b6)

[Botten]

There are also bats all over the world. It would be insanely coincidental that covid19 came from wuhan from somebody simply catching it from a bat, when there is also a lab there that studies those exact viruses, and as I stated before multiple perfectly credentialed scientists have stated that the early highly contagious nature of covid does not map on to how viruses evolve naturally. And fauci literally funded gain of function research in that lab, or at the very least something that is so insanely close to the same thing that fauci had to split major hairs to get out of it.

All of that is perfectly plausible. Why not consider it? Or if nothing else, why the effort by the left to portray anyone interested in the possibility as some fringe quack?

Yeah Bats from a wet market from a Laos Cave in China that were found to have a virus with almost the same genome 40 years ago certainly wasn't at fault!!!

Same with SARs....

And all other zoonist animals found in the same country of a virus's origin!!!

MERs certainly wasn't first found in Arab countries and camels weren't at fault.

*sigh....Baler go back to your alt right brainwash news casts with self proclaimed geniuses. Shouldn't you be swooning over a picture of Ben Shapiro?

[Elizondo]

I'm saying it doesn't matter if it's real or not, your favorite president saw to that precedent :cool:

Confirmed Robayon doesn't care about corruption cuz orange man bad or something

:cool:

[robayon]

no we, and NYT and pretty much everyone, is saying that had it not be covered up by the media, it would have swayed the election. I mean it's pretty egregious abuse of power and if anything should be under the microscope in this country right now its not social media, it's the media.Oh it sure is, but you fellers still aren't really asking big enough questions in the wake of it if you think it's still about political parties or particular news orgs or even just the USA

"It" can be replaced here with any number of crises or events from the last decade or so

[robayon]

Confirmed Robayon doesn't care about corruption cuz orange man bad or something

:cool:I care plenty, guy who ignores the pedophiles on his own team and accuses everyone else of being a pedo. But I don't make distinctions based on political beliefs, like you. Everyone on the Lolita Express should be imprisoned, at least, with the exception of the victims

Anyways, you and grooming: Methinks the lady doth protest too much

[Jibartik]

when my friends are my enemies my enemies are my friends!

[Elizondo]

I care plenty,

No you don't

guy who ignores the pedophiles on his own team and accuses everyone else of being a pedo. But I don't make distinctions based on political beliefs, like you. Everyone on the Lolita Express should be imprisoned, at least, with the exception of the victims

Anyways, you and grooming: Methinks the lady doth protest too much

Why do you think grooming = pedo, Groomer

[robayon]

No you don't



Why do you think grooming = pedo, Groomerif you really think we're all pedos why are you still here talking with us

[starkind]

Sirken is the best GM. (Actually was tho).

[Elizondo]

if you really think we're all pedos why are you still here talking with us

I've never claimed any such thing

Try again

[starkind]

Everyone can bet on Wallstreet.

[robayon]

I've never claimed any such thing

Try againNo

[Ooloo]

Haha I love how not a single person even attempted to dispute the point I made twice that many credentialed human beings have weighed in on this, and have concluded that the most likely explanation for the 2020 covid19 pandemic is that a naturally occurring bat coronavirus (See?? I AM AGREEING IT WAS BAT, YES IT WAS BAT, BUT KEEP READING) was modified and studied for scientific purposes at the WUHAN BAT CORONAVIRUS LAB and was accidentally allowed to escape the ficility. AKA an accident.

[robayon]

Haha I love how not a single person even attempted to dispute the point I made twice that many credentialed human beings have weighed in on this, and have concluded that the most likely explanation for the 2020 covid19 pandemic is that a naturally occurring bat coronavirus (See?? I AM AGREEING IT WAS BAT, YES IT WAS BAT, BUT KEEP READING) was modified and studied for scientific purposes at the WUHAN BAT CORONAVIRUS LAB and was accidentally allowed to escape the ficility. AKA an accident.Has it ever occurred to you that this may be because it's a boring point and nobody actually cares?

Go ahead, though, take your victory lap buddy

[Reiwa]

Haha I love how not a single person even attempted to dispute the point I made twice that many credentialed human beings have weighed in on this, and have concluded that the most likely explanation for the 2020 covid19 pandemic is that a naturally occurring bat coronavirus (See?? I AM AGREEING IT WAS BAT, YES IT WAS BAT, BUT KEEP READING) was modified and studied for scientific purposes at the WUHAN BAT CORONAVIRUS LAB and was accidentally allowed to escape the ficility. AKA an accident.

Communist Chinese party may be pretty keen on having containment fail.

[starkind]

Google doesn't track everything you do.

[Ooloo]

Communist Chinese party may be pretty keen on having containment fail.

Well the thing is a ton of chinese people got it first. So occam's razor tells us it was almost certainly an accident, but that the dictatorial communist hell regime of china also has every single god damn reason in the world to pretend it was just some bad bat soup, thus absolving them of all responsibility. There IS perfectly sound scientific evidence that the virus shows signs of genetic manipulation. The evidence that it has a natural origin is basically "hey it looks close to a known bat virus" NO SHIT SHERLOCKS. For the billionth time, the charge is that they modified a natural virus and it was released via negligence.

I'm sure the genocide-happy CCP psychopaths who censor all their state media and oppress their own people brutally (when they aren't again busy genociding them) would be completely forthright and transparent about any culpability they may have had for wrongdoings. Yes.

[starkind]

Sugary Cereals made with hydrogenated soybean oils grown in pesticide soaked rice patties are good for you.

[Jibartik]

Has it ever occurred to you that this may be because it's a boring point and nobody actually cares?

Go ahead, though, take your victory lap buddy

why such an establishment reactionary?

[starkind]

The moon is solid.