Is the wiki accurate about faction from these two mobs?

[Loadsamoney]

Smithy Rrarrgin and Foodmaster Rargnar in The Warrens?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Foodmaster_Rargnar

The wiki says both mobs give 10 faction towards Heretics when killed, but I'm skeptical now if this is truly accurate. Been farming these two for about 15-20 hours now on my Druid, probably 100 combined kills between the two so far, and I'm still Scowling with the Paineel guards outside. I didn't figure I'd start THAT low on Heretics faction.

So I need to know, do these two mobs indeed give 10 faction per kill, or is the wiki wrong and it's only a measly 1 per kill, and I should mass slaughter the trash instead?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Sadly the wiki is mostly wrong when it comes to faction. They scraped the data from Allakazam I believe, which is out of era. Unless the mob is well known to give big faction boosts (like Velious city bosses), there is a good chance the mob probably just gives 1 or 2 faction points. Most mobs are this way on P99. You will probably need to test it yourself if you want to be sure.

For Warrens faction farming mass slaughter is generally the better way to go since there are so many mobs.

[Loadsamoney]

Sadly the wiki is mostly wrong when it comes to faction. They scraped the data from Allakazam I believe, which is out of era. Unless the mob is well known to give big faction boosts (like Velious city bosses), there is a good chance the mob probably just gives 1 or 2 faction points. Most mobs are this way on P99. You will probably need to test it yourself if you want to be sure.

For Warrens faction farming mass slaughter is generally the better way to go since there are so many mobs.

That's probably what I'll do then, although sadly that's not going to be an efficient process for my Druid. I can nuke 7 mobs dead on a full mana bar, and then I have to med for 6 minutes, and my melee is butt so that's not going to get it done.

[mcoy]

Grab your druid a mage pet Brazier_of_Elemental_Summoning (https://wiki.project1999.com/Brazier_of_Elemental_Summoning) to give 'em a leg up and go to town with melee! You should be able to keep the pet alive for a good grind session and knock out a decent amount of faction hits.

Or yeah, wait a handful of levels for a decent pbae and wreck the place for 2-3 hours one night when it's empty.

-Mcoy

[Arvan]

Kill erudin guards it will faction up heretics very fast

[Loadsamoney]

Kill erudin guards it will faction up heretics very fast

First, at level 19 I don't know if I can kill any Erudin Guards.

Second, I don't want to hurt my faction with any good or neutral cities. Only exceptions are those that are corrupt anyway, like Freeport Militia. That's why I'm not saving molars.

[Huc11]

What level is your druid? Mine is 53. I throw on a ds and a regen occasionally then I run around smacking them or casting my level one dd.

Edit: haha never mind

[Loadsamoney]

Sadly the wiki is mostly wrong when it comes to faction. They scraped the data from Allakazam I believe, which is out of era. Unless the mob is well known to give big faction boosts (like Velious city bosses), there is a good chance the mob probably just gives 1 or 2 faction points. Most mobs are this way on P99. You will probably need to test it yourself if you want to be sure.

For Warrens faction farming mass slaughter is generally the better way to go since there are so many mobs.

But by that logic slaying Sir Lucan D'Lere should only be -1 faction too, not make you instantly Kill on Sight to the Freeport Militia.

[Swish]

Update the wiki if you see an error.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

But by that logic slaying Sir Lucan D'Lere should only be -1 faction too, not make you instantly Kill on Sight to the Freeport Militia.

Sir Lucan is another well known NPC who gives a big faction hit. His wiki is probably accurate.

[cd288]

Outside of guards or certain other NPCs, it's safe to assume that most things you kill will be +1 or +2 faction...sometimes up to +5 but that's somewhat rare.

[MrSparkle001]

Grab your druid a mage pet Brazier_of_Elemental_Summoning (https://wiki.project1999.com/Brazier_of_Elemental_Summoning) to give 'em a leg up and go to town with melee! You should be able to keep the pet alive for a good grind session and knock out a decent amount of faction hits.

Or yeah, wait a handful of levels for a decent pbae and wreck the place for 2-3 hours one night when it's empty.

-Mcoy

See I like to hear that - when it's empty. Not when people are there leveling.

I don't remember how long it took me to farm the kobolds when I last did it for faction but it was so slow. Not sure I want to bother again.

[Loadsamoney]

See I like to hear that - when it's empty. Not when people are there leveling.

I don't remember how long it took me to farm the kobolds when I last did it for faction but it was so slow. Not sure I want to bother again.

It’s the third character I’m doing it for. Guard plat is tempting.

[Loadsamoney]

Outside of guards or certain other NPCs, it's safe to assume that most things you kill will be +1 or +2 faction...sometimes up to +5 but that's somewhat rare.

So Lucan really is only -5 or so and not a -1000 faction bomb?

[Gustoo]

Damn "certain other NPC's" doesn't inform you well enough?

Well known mega faction quest mobs are generally correct in the wiki as mentioned multiple times in this thread.

[Loadsamoney]

Damn "certain other NPC's" doesn't inform you well enough?

Well known mega faction quest mobs are generally correct in the wiki as mentioned multiple times in this thread.

I figured Lucan doesn’t qualify as a “certain other NPC?” Duh?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

So Lucan really is only -5 or so and not a -1000 faction bomb?

I think you are missing the point.

There are well known NPC's in P99 who give large faction hits. They are easy to spot and easy to test because you can see your faction shift after a single kill. On top of that, these well known NPC's are popular targets to kill, so we inadvertently get tons of data on their faction adjustments. This means it is more likely that some random player updates the wiki, simply due to the number of players killing this specific NPC. Sir Lucan is one of those popular targets. It is already well known that he is a faction bomb, and most likely the wiki number is correct, because it is fairly easy to test. You can simply tank your Paladin faction to "cannot possibly get any worse", kill him, and then see how much the Paladins like you afterwards.

That said, the majority of NPC's in P99 do not get farmed incessantly. Even ones that do may not have faction that is easy to adjust. This means that it is difficult to test the faction hits for most mobs, because the method for testing is simply too time consuming. Most people will not bother to figure out exactly how much faction an NPC adjusts per kill, and thus the wiki will rarely get updated for those mobs.

Here is why testing faction is time consuming for most NPC's. To test faction, you generally want to get to something like indifferent first. This can already be a huge hurtle if you are low on faction to begin with. Or on the opposite end, you probably don't want to tank faction you already have gotten high up, just for testing. Once you do get to indifferent, you need to count how many kills it takes to go from indifferent to apprehensive, or amiable. You want to test at indifferent because the number of faction points needed to get to apprehensive or amiable is small, so it is harder to lose track. But the combined effort of getting to indifferent first, and then counting kills, is generally too much work for most people for most mobs.

[Coleman0921]

Clear the whole zone and those named ones. If you’re not an AE class from max kos takes probably 6-8 hours

[Loadsamoney]

Well I hit Amiable and got my key, so time to plough the Paineel guards for the next 30 levels on my Druid.

But now I know not to bother with camping Smithy or Foodmaster for rep, better off to just do wholesale slaughter on all the trash near the entrance.

[Jibartik]

Loadsamoney, you ask the widest array of the best questions on these boards.

[Raj]

@OP Does your druid's name start with a 'W' and end with an R?

PS. Looks lile Faygatha/Dino above me can still be nice sometimes when he keeps the insecurities & delusions in check. :cool:

[Loadsamoney]

Loadsamoney, you ask the widest array of the dumbest questions on these boards.

Fixed that for you.

[Jibartik]

That's what makes ever quest the best.

https://i.imgur.com/YWeDZfX.png

[Loadsamoney]

That's what makes ever quest the best.

https://i.imgur.com/YWeDZfX.png

If nothing else I can laugh at myself for being such an incompetent caveman at Everquest.

[Jibartik]

Someone has to keep the bear population in check.

[Loadsamoney]

Someone has to keep the bear population in check.

Every village needs an idiot.

[Loadsamoney]

On a personal note, I don't remember Paineel guards ever being this populated, or contended, for camps.

What happened?