why cant we just have Red server reset?

[Gatorsmash]

I think there are a lot of people looking for something different and red has been pretty interesting.

[Krazy/sickpuppy]

I won’t mention any names ….. but a few players ruined it for everyone else. Play blue

[New_Guy]

I won’t mention any names ….. but a few players ruined it for everyone else. Play blue

Wouldn't happen to be the cheating MQing, ShowEQ using, duping, RMTing crowd which also happened to be the inner circle of the zerg, would it?

[Tunabros]

because no one cares about red

kekw

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/Liqro6i.jpg

[New_Guy]

because no one cares about red

kekw

The reason why players still yearn for EQ PvP is because no new games offer no good open world PvP, either the mechanics are awful or the class balance is terrible.

But literally tons of games have come out with better PvE, the only reasons you would still play a 25 year old elf sim is because you're a broke hideous chud who is so poor you can't afford a 15 year old PC and so mentally deficient you can't learn the improved mechanics.

I cringe at the mental sight of your bloated porkchop fingers cramming syrup laden peanut butter smeared crackers into your wadded meatball of a head.

[Tunabros]

didnt read

(lol)

[New_Guy]

I never learn ed to read

(lol)

Fixed it for you simple jack.

[hekbringer]

Boom!

[Tunabros]

copium

[New_Guy]

copium

I cringe at the mental sight of your bloated porkchop fingers cramming syrup laden peanut butter smeared crackers into your wadded meatball of a head.

Deserved a repost for posterity

[Gustoo]

Did any of you guys play asherons call pvp?

I was about to pre buy asherons call 2 and the guys like yo dude get asherons call 1 it’s way better.

So I just bought luclin instead lol

[Gatorsmash]

Wouldn't happen to be the cheating MQing, ShowEQ using, duping, RMTing crowd which also happened to be the inner circle of the zerg, would it?

Dude there is a x1000 more RMT, boxing and cheating on Green and blue compared to probably Red servers entire life. It’s not even comparable

[Gustoo]

Bro everyone on the planet that has ever heard of project 1999 knows that red 1.0 should be wiped, reset, or a second server made. It hasn't happened yet. People come through the forums complaining on a periodic basis.

We just look for signs and prepare ourselves.

Best thing to do is play vztz to stay fresh and get to know some of the psychopaths you will be encountering on red 2.0

Not that I'm doing that, but thats what I would do if I wanted to have best victory at 2.0 at the very least because of knowing my enemy.

[starkind]

We just look for signs and prepare ourselves.


/\

[New_Guy]

Dude there is a x1000 more RMT, boxing and cheating on Green and blue compared to probably Red servers entire life. It’s not even comparable

It doesn't effect green or blue, on red you are directly competing for resources and those resources lead to more resources in a domino effect

On Blue or green a AoN is worth fuck all but on red it is the most expensive RMT'd item there is, one loser can drop a few thousand buy 6 AoN's and make an entire raid group skeletons with no nametags leading to targeting confusion from hell and a gigantic PvP advantage.

Once one guild grows large and geared enough no other group in the game gets items leading to server pop death, this has traditionally been done with RMT on Red.

No amount of RMT will kill blue or green, on red it will.

[EatitNerd]

Imagine thinking people still pay decent money for anything on red (they don’t)

[New_Guy]

Imagine thinking people still pay decent money for anything on red (they don’t)

I was talking about when it had a pop, which was obvious to everyone with the developmental brain of a 12 year old. WTF cares about what goes on with the 20 man pop of blues raiding uncontested.

[Duvain]

Even if red does have a few scumbags, who cares. Every game has toxic players. Not sure why it should kill it for all of the other people who enjoy it for what it is. Red99 was the most fun I've had in a game in a long time.

Green/Blue are OK but I really like the extra aspect and thrill pvp brings to the game, even as a mostly pve oriented player. It totally changes the dynamic of the game. As old as EQ is, it's still my favorite MMO of all time.

I hope we get a "purple" or some sort of pvp version of green one day.

[New_Guy]

Even if red does have a few scumbags, who cares. Every game has toxic players. Not sure why it should kill it for all of the other people who enjoy it for what it is. Red99 was the most fun I've had in a game in a long time.

Green/Blue are OK but I really like the extra aspect and thrill pvp brings to the game, even as a mostly pve oriented player. It totally changes the dynamic of the game. As old as EQ is, it's still my favorite MMO of all time.

I hope we get a "purple" or some sort of pvp version of green one day.

You clearly never played on Red, it's a fucking cesspool, it's not a few bad apples, it's more like a pool of radioactive shit you would have to dive through to find one good apple.

The majority would scream racial slurs all day if they weren't monitored constantly, over 70% are actively trying to either run showEQ, MQ, or multibox. Any rules put into place become a constant lobbyquest to GM's where you have to sift through rivers of lies to find out who is framing who.

All you blues and greens wanna claim it's the same as red yet red remains the GM Afghanistan, claiming at least 3 GM's and 1 dev.

[Insaiyan]

Does dot damage text show up on red? Or a pet window? Just wondering

[Duvain]

You clearly never played on Red, it's a fucking cesspool, it's not a few bad apples, it's more like a pool of radioactive shit you would have to dive through to find one good apple.

The majority would scream racial slurs all day if they weren't monitored constantly, over 70% are actively trying to either run showEQ, MQ, or multibox. Any rules put into place become a constant lobbyquest to GM's where you have to sift through rivers of lies to find out who is framing who.

All you blues and greens wanna claim it's the same as red yet red remains the GM Afghanistan, claiming at least 3 GM's and 1 dev.

Yea, "clearly". I played on red for a long time, 60 epic monk (Quota), rogue (Duvain), warrior (Ecbert), non epic bard (Encore), epic cleric (Benedict), among some other 50+ toons. I was in Holocaust/Empire, Tempest, Apex, some other guilds.

Red was a million times more fun than blue/green ever were for someone like me who was never one of the "popular" people who always blew up OOC with bs or trolled people. Just my opinion.

I enjoyed the PvE mostly with the extra aspec of PvP to keep you on your toes or switch things up a bit. It adds a nice dynamic to the game instead of just sitting in EC tunnel all day.

[Jimjam]

Having fought far too many sonic bats solo and uncontested �� �� and recently hit 56 for the trouble I’d be happy to lose all that progress for a fresh start.

[hekbringer]

Yea, "clearly". I played on red for a long time, 60 epic monk (Quota), rogue (Duvain), warrior (Ecbert), non epic bard (Encore), epic cleric (Benedict), among some other 50+ toons. I was in Holocaust/Empire, Tempest, Apex, some other guilds.

Red was a million times more fun than blue/green ever were for someone like me who was never one of the "popular" people who always blew up OOC with bs or trolled people. Just my opinion.

I enjoyed the PvE mostly with the extra aspec of PvP to keep you on your toes or switch things up a bit. It adds a nice dynamic to the game instead of just sitting in EC tunnel all day.

Yeah, other than pvp anxiety I'm really not sure what would keep people from Red.

PVP is obnoxuous when provoked by someone uninterested in your camp and just seeking to waste 20 minutes CR from your day. However its great fun when guilds are contesting raid mobs and a quick solution to camp disputes, often resulting in a weaker stomached player fleeing to do whatever their second choice is.

Overall a nice server that could honestly be over ran with the "civilized" blue folk if a consolidated effort were made. Then you could hire sherrifs and lay bounties on grieves such as 30 days LNS enforcement upon sight.

[hekbringer]

You clearly never played on Red, it's a fucking cesspool, it's not a few bad apples, it's more like a pool of radioactive shit you would have to dive through to find one good apple.

The majority would scream racial slurs all day if they weren't monitored constantly, over 70% are actively trying to either run showEQ, MQ, or multibox. Any rules put into place become a constant lobbyquest to GM's where you have to sift through rivers of lies to find out who is framing who.

All you blues and greens wanna claim it's the same as red yet red remains the GM Afghanistan, claiming at least 3 GM's and 1 dev.

Not my experience. There are some sadist who seemingly only enjoy preventing enjoyment for others but I feel the vast majority are there with a pve agenda, simply valuing pvp as an accessory and tool to what is already a good game.

PVP is why my gear has value beyond the journey of acquiring. That is everything.

[Duvain]

Not my experience. There are some sadist who seemingly only enjoy preventing enjoyment for others but I feel the vast majority are there with a pve agenda, simply valuing pvp as an accessory and tool to what is already a good game.

PVP is why my gear has value beyond the journey of acquiring. That is everything.

Well said, exactly how I feel.

[Gustoo]

Looks like a lot of sane people came out of the wood work to comment on this thread. Very encouraging.

For a PVP server to be the way I always hope, there needs to be a lot of non psychopaths that just like EQ and aren't specifically on PVP just to murder other players.

It provides gear value as mentioned, a healthy solution to camp disputes, and lots of other things.

Best case scenario is that they announce red 2.0 will launch in 4 years when everyone is super sick of blue and green and they also state that a new blue or green won't be made for another 10 years, so anyone with half a brain is on red 2.0 making non PK guilds and crap and it can be the best eq pvp server since original rallos.

Just' dreaming.

hopefully they don't surprise launch the server overnight giving no one time to plan to play it.

[Tradesonred]

You clearly never played on Red, it's a fucking cesspool, it's not a few bad apples, it's more like a pool of radioactive shit you would have to dive through to find one good apple.

The majority would scream racial slurs all day if they weren't monitored constantly, over 70% are actively trying to either run showEQ, MQ, or multibox. Any rules put into place become a constant lobbyquest to GM's where you have to sift through rivers of lies to find out who is framing who.

All you blues and greens wanna claim it's the same as red yet red remains the GM Afghanistan, claiming at least 3 GM's and 1 dev.

This is an accurate description of red. I have a hard time remembering a more toxic environnment, maybe dethecus during wow classic comes close but still not there. Thats why the server will fail if they dont pre-empt the kind of trouble that was described to the devs once again (just like during the weeks following launch, which they failed to act upon) on a silver platter if they only cared to read.

I mean even the staff is toxic, in its own way. Saying youre launching a new red server 2 years ago then closing the info faucet and not even commenting on a 100+ page thread wondering if we are ever going to see 2.0., using the toxic elements they fostered by not acting up on feedback as a cop-out and pretext to treat the community poorly.

Who the fuck does that kind of shit?

[EatitNerd]

TLDR the reason we won’t ever is because of the “tradesonred” and “new_guy”’s of the world. They troll anything and everything they can here with no intention to play etc only to be toxic on a forum

[starkind]

New Guy is like the Ghost of R99. Watch out for him. He'll come outta no where and pvp u even on green99.

[Disease]

Hasn't been an update on green since 2021... Yall never getting another red.

[Tradesonred]

TLDR the reason we won’t ever is because of the “tradesonred” and “new_guy”’s of the world. They troll anything and everything they can here with no intention to play etc only to be toxic on a forum

Whos trolling? Im one of the few over the years who keeps making constructive comments so we can try to have a server with a healthy pop. New guy and a few others are doing the same thing, gustoo etc... without the few people like that here and there the community would be an absolute cesspool, not taking into account people who just play and dont post here.

Besides people actually putting in work to report critical bugs, my criticism must be up there with things that helped the server stay healthy.

I was probably single-handedly responsible for the removal of xp loss in pvp because i pushed for it for a full year at launch being annoying on forums with it. Its probably the most significant change that happened to red over the years, in a positive sense. Im not saying this to throw myself some flowers but to drive the point that constructive criticism is important.

[Tradesonred]

For people who were there during year1, Casey who im starting to see post again basically represents the bad part of the community, which became the dominant presence on the server after the devs let them take it over by not acting on xp loss in pvp. It drove out practically anyone that didnt plan ahead and joined a zerg during the first few months with people regularly bragging on the forums they were proud to make the population drop by stomping casuals with xp loss.

Nihilum is the other side of that coin, telling devs everything was fine because Nizzar needed to sell some dragon loot to pay the rent or some shit and cockblocking fear with sheer numbers. Devs are partly responsible for the state of toxicness of the server and its important that it is said, so these mistakes arent repeated.

I may be annoying, harsh, too much in my commentaries often ill admit but its always because i have the server's interest at heart because one day, i would sure like to play a populated Rallos-like server.

[New_Guy]

You clearly never played on Red, it's a fucking cesspool, it's not a few bad apples, it's more like a pool of radioactive shit you would have to dive through to find one good apple.

The majority would scream racial slurs all day if they weren't monitored constantly, over 70% are actively trying to either run showEQ, MQ, or multibox. Any rules put into place become a constant lobbyquest to GM's where you have to sift through rivers of lies to find out who is framing who.

All you blues and greens wanna claim it's the same as red yet red remains the GM Afghanistan, claiming at least 3 GM's and 1 dev.

Not my experience. There are some sadist who seemingly only enjoy preventing enjoyment for others but I feel the vast majority are there with a pve agenda, simply valuing pvp as an accessory and tool to what is already a good game.

PVP is why my gear has value beyond the journey of acquiring. That is everything.

Considering that I was a member of the largest guilds on Red, privy to the Teamspeak and discord of the inner circle of every powerful guild on the server. That I battled the best geared and most reputable PvEer's and PvPers on a daily basis and could easily tell from first hand combat who was cheating and who wasn't, my opinion holds a lot more weight than the gullible dreams of a non-factor whose wishing for a reality that doesn't exist.

While the PvPers were the one's most guilty of ShowEQ, MQ, bindcamping and training. The PvE crowd were the most guilty of RMT, multiboxing, and Zerging, both sides contributed equally to server population death.

Ignoring the history of the past will simply doom you to repeat it, hope un-tempered by actuality is simply naivety. When Red has claimed 2 GM's for RMT and deviant corruption with well known ties to guild affiliations and left a dev with questionable motives and code changes in adherence to a very disreputable source; while the largest guild on the server was disbanded for multiple offences that went over-looked, what I'm saying is merely a reality that has to be embraced rather than ignored.

[Duvain]

I really don’t care about any of that tbh, it’s still enjoyable to me because I love that era of EQ and I like the pvp dynamic. It’s just a fun game, there’s nothing else like it. I played on SZ back in the day.

I’ll agree with Tradesonred about the staff. I wish they gave af about red or more of af about P99 in general because it’s the best EQ Emu there is by a long shot.

[Duvain]

Also, I always played legit and was able to get plenty of loot to satisfy my pixel lust without being in any inner circles or aim chats.

[Gustoo]

Pvp is the most fun way to play eq.

The scums scumming can’t stop that.

Gotta hope staff has iron spines and such.

[New_Guy]

I really don’t care about any of that tbh, it’s still enjoyable to me because I love that era of EQ and I like the pvp dynamic. It’s just a fun game, there’s nothing else like it. I played on SZ back in the day.

I’ll agree with Tradesonred about the staff. I wish they gave af about red or more of af about P99 in general because it’s the best EQ Emu there is by a long shot.

Reality isn't decided by what you care about, trying to deny the truth because you don't like the reality of the situation is the literal definition of ignorance.

Nothing I stated has anything to do with feelings or opinions snowflake and I don't give a fuck if it invades your safe space, I said it because it was true.

Maybe we should make the server based on what promotes longevity and population and not what: "Duvian" likes, because I'm not your mom and nobody cares about you.

[Duvain]

Reality isn't decided by what you care about, trying to deny the truth because you don't like the reality of the situation is the literal definition of ignorance.

Nothing I stated has anything to do with feelings or opinions snowflake and I don't give a fuck if it invades your safe space, I said it because it was true.

Maybe we should make the server based on what promotes longevity and population and not what: "Duvian" likes, because I'm not your mom and nobody cares about you.

Aww, looks like you're triggered because someone has a different opinion of red than you. I really don't give af what you think either so it doesn't really matter and doesn't change how I feel about red, sweetheart. Like i care what "new guy" on 20+ year old elf sim forums thinks of me, LOL. Hilarious.

There's only one person here that seems super offended over the toxicity of red and doesn't want a new one to exist because they can't handle others enjoying something they don't. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror, you'll see who the real snowflake is.

[Duvain]

Anyways, i'm out of here. I'll check back in another 10 years to see if there's a new red. Later nerds.

[New_Guy]

Aww, looks like you're triggered because someone has a different opinion of red than you. I really don't give af what you think either so it doesn't really matter and doesn't change how I feel about red, sweetheart. Like i care what "new guy" on 20+ year old elf sim forums thinks of me, LOL. Hilarious.

There's only one person here that seems super offended over the toxicity of red and doesn't want a new one to exist because they can't handle others enjoying something they don't. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror, you'll see who the real snowflake is.

I'm an asshole all the time, I know your think you're special talking about your feelings and what you like, but I'm here to give ya a little dose of reality, nobody here gives a fuck about you, save that shit for your parents.

You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. We're all part of the same compost heap. We're all singing, all dancing crap of the world.

[Jibartik]

Hey Duvain, I care about you.

I care, Duvain.

[Gatorsmash]

It doesn't effect green or blue, on red you are directly competing for resources and those resources lead to more resources in a domino effect

On Blue or green a AoN is worth fuck all but on red it is the most expensive RMT'd item there is, one loser can drop a few thousand buy 6 AoN's and make an entire raid group skeletons with no nametags leading to targeting confusion from hell and a gigantic PvP advantage.

Once one guild grows large and geared enough no other group in the game gets items leading to server pop death, this has traditionally been done with RMT on Red.

No amount of RMT will kill blue or green, on red it will.

That’s complete bullshit. The epics on green and blue are on permanent lockdown and sold for in game plat and RMT

[New_Guy]

Hey Duvain, I care about you.

I care, Duvain.

Congrats someone who is legally retarded and thinks Jesus Christ is gonna to come down from heaven and save him personally after the secret cabal of illuminti destroys the world loves you.

Do any of you know the prophecies of fighting at the temple mount?

Yeesh.

It's like the rapture happened and everyone still theorizing that it might be aliens.

God said the Babylonian captivity would last 70 years and 70 years after the founding of Jerusalem peace and security (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyro8AJdYqc) was declared.



Repent! This train is right on schedule!

I'd be scared! BTW this is that cesspool of retarded shit I was talking about, if servers were a person Red99 would exist on the hemorrhoid of an asshole.

[New_Guy]

That’s complete bullshit. The epics on green and blue are on permanent lockdown and sold for in game plat and RMT

Did Blue or Green claim two GM's in scandals and a dev? Ok then nobody gives a fuck about pixel quest, I'm sure you want to compare your: "Family Matters" servers to our: "Sopranos" Server, but nobody with a brain is gonna buy that.

Nobody is also arguing that more RMT happens at Red, I'm just saying nobody gives a fuck if RMT happens on servers with no PvP. The very fact that you are playing a 20 year old game just to slay dragons when every game in the world that has come out since 1999 has better PVE, makes you all retarded.

[Jimjam]

I for one am very excited for the opportunity for a fresh red server. There is nothing like that new server smell with dozens of elves crammed in to just a few starting zones. I try not to be too vocal about closing down current red in exchange for a new one as my red play has been fairly uncommitted - I don’t have any 60s, epic gear or lots of friends with characters i talk to / group with / pvp against every day - but i’d be willing to sacrifice what I do have for a new server for anyone that wants one.

[New_Guy]

I for one am very excited for the opportunity for a fresh red server. There is nothing like that new server smell with dozens of elves crammed in to just a few starting zones. I try not to be too vocal about closing down current red in exchange for a new one as my red play has been fairly uncommitted - I don’t have any 60s, epic gear or lots of friends with characters i talk to / group with / pvp against every day - but i’d be willing to sacrifice what I do have for a new server for anyone that wants one.

Rogean said he would never wipe a server, seems he plans on sticking to that.

[hekbringer]

Did Blue or Green claim two GM's in scandals and a dev? Ok then nobody gives a fuck about pixel quest, I'm sure you want to compare your: "Family Matters" servers to our: "Sopranos" Server, but nobody with a brain is gonna buy that.

Nobody is also arguing that more RMT happens at Red, I'm just saying nobody gives a fuck if RMT happens on servers with no PvP. The very fact that you are playing a 20 year old game just to slay dragons when every game in the world that has come out since 1999 has better PVE, makes you all retarded.

Our server? You don't play. You said the server is a hemeroid which makes you what the person who voluntarily tends, begrudgingly the ailment of an asshole beloging to one you despise?

You have some good insight but your resentment is stifling and prevents enjoyment of your wit. Still a great game. Could be better if a handful weren't so weak as to lack humility and integrity. New red after final velour patch.

[starkind]

Considering all of us got stimulus checks last year. We should be able to host ten red99s.

[New_Guy]

Our server? You don't play. You said the server is a hemeroid which makes you what the person who voluntarily tends, begrudgingly the ailment of an asshole beloging to one you despise?

You have some good insight but your resentment is stifling and prevents enjoyment of your wit. Still a great game. Could be better if a handful weren't so weak as to lack humility and integrity. New red after final velour patch.

Everyone wants people they like to be right, that's why popular people are fucking dumb.

I'm not gonna wrap the truth up in some pretty package paper so you can accept it, the truth is often like a turd, either you gonna swallow it down without a chaser or run from it screaming: "Icky!" Personally I don't give a fuck what you believe, I'm just telling it like it is.

You want to see shit as you wish it and I just know the whole story, uncut and unedited.

Sirken helped destroy red, he had ties to Nihilum from day one and turned a blind eye to the rampant RMT, showEQ use and MQ use of that guild allowing them to lock down the servers drops and hamper the PoP. He even joked about their blatant RMT on live streams. If Sektor didn't get live recordings and videos of RMT proof they'd still be destroying the server. But Sirken didn't ban all the offenders ,no, he allowed them to go Holocaust and start the whole thing all over again.

Then you got a clear problem with the core of dentists who are friends with the original crowd who made ShowEq and MQ, who are actually Fansy, Naez and Voidd. And they are gonna lobbyquest the dev's to make unclassic changes they can exploit. Something we've seen from Cwall and Nirgon on bug reports going back years on red, pretty much every terrible change to the code was instituted by these idiots whispering to their buddies.

And they are gonna spoof mac addresses so you can't ban them and distribute hack compiles of new showeq and mq. So how do you control the madhouse when the inmates are running the asylum?

[reebz]

I almost never felt like people were cheating, because I never felt like anyone had an advantage over me.

There was that one guy from Nihilum who got multiple epic /aon level 60s banned who was pretty sus but maybe I got caught up in the hype. He did get 2 60 rogues and a 60 sk permanently banned before I got a single character to level 60 though.

Then there was 1 rogue from the guild casual scum who I am 99% sure cheated though. He stuck to me like glue through the small doors and bars in Thurgadin but the funniest part is he wouldn't move around to backstab me just stuck like an NPC + he killed himself on a 55 point damage shield with his 12 damage auto attacks. He also ended up perma banned.

That's it though. I've never felt like anyone else cheated even all the turbo nerds running 3rd party programs to script shield swaps or give audio alerts for disc's or spell timers. Didn't matter at all still got dumpstered.

[Tradesonred]

I almost never felt like people were cheating, because I never felt like anyone had an advantage over me.

There was that one guy from Nihilum who got multiple epic /aon level 60s banned who was pretty sus but maybe I got caught up in the hype. He did get 2 60 rogues and a 60 sk permanently banned before I got a single character to level 60 though.

Then there was 1 rogue from the guild casual scum who I am 99% sure cheated though. He stuck to me like glue through the small doors and bars in Thurgadin but the funniest part is he wouldn't move around to backstab me just stuck like an NPC + he killed himself on a 55 point damage shield with his 12 damage auto attacks. He also ended up perma banned.

That's it though. I've never felt like anyone else cheated even all the turbo nerds running 3rd party programs to script shield swaps or give audio alerts for disc's or spell timers. Didn't matter at all still got dumpstered.

Thats something i know alot less about, cheating. But i get a sense that the personalities fit the profile of people who would cheat.

Who the fuck gets enjoyment from destroying the server they play on? Thats so fucking stupid. I could never enjoy a kill using an aimbot or some shit like that and doing that more than once just to see how the hacks work would weight on my conscience that im ruining everyones fun.

[starkind]

Hardly anyone rly cheated on red.

It was, and is nothing like green and blue where people even deceive themselves!

[New_Guy]

I almost never felt like people were cheating, because I never felt like anyone had an advantage over me.

There was that one guy from Nihilum who got multiple epic /aon level 60s banned who was pretty sus but maybe I got caught up in the hype. He did get 2 60 rogues and a 60 sk permanently banned before I got a single character to level 60 though.

Then there was 1 rogue from the guild casual scum who I am 99% sure cheated though. He stuck to me like glue through the small doors and bars in Thurgadin but the funniest part is he wouldn't move around to backstab me just stuck like an NPC + he killed himself on a 55 point damage shield with his 12 damage auto attacks. He also ended up perma banned.

That's it though. I've never felt like anyone else cheated even all the turbo nerds running 3rd party programs to script shield swaps or give audio alerts for disc's or spell timers. Didn't matter at all still got dumpstered.

Most people could watch someone using cheats and have no clue, and there is this idea that someone using cheats is gonna auto win so if they die they weren't using cheats, this is also false.

Show Eq is just gonna give you a loose idea of who is in what zone and tell you which mobs are up. Ever see a guy zone in right as the AC came up, yea showEQ. Or someone find people in the middle of nowhere over and over again. A shit ton of people were using showEQ on red and prolly still are because it's very hard to detect.

MQ on the other hand gives you access to the GM/Guide commands that were hardcoded into the game. Some of the MQ uses are very obvious like player invulnerability and super speed, others are not. A caster could turn off melee knockback effects and be almost impossible to interrupt and you would have no clue or a melee could be stalking you with PC invis and you would have no clue.

I have killed tons of players while using MQ, it has flaws and they can't use invulnerability without really risking being caught. I killed Kirban and Fansy on live while they was using MQ, quite a few times. Killed HPT while using it on red and watched players find me hidden in the middle of nowhere without a tracker more times than I can count. I can list 20 players using showEQ on there and there is 20 more I suspect and at least 15 that I highly suspected of MQ use.

Bottom-line is most players would have no clue when a cheat is being used right in front of them so they assume no one is, but tons of players are actually cheating, so much more than you ever imagined. For every cheating player caught 10 more got away with it, and if you see a GM catch someone using MQ and only one person was banned you best believe he gave out that compile to his friends.

[reebz]

Well I guess it didn't matter that they cheated then because in the end it didn't make a difference I still won ALL the time

[New_Guy]

Well I guess it didn't matter that they cheated then because in the end it didn't make a difference I still won ALL the time

Oh no it mattered, because the world doesn't revolve around one person you selfish little shit.

While a skilled PvPer could still defeat someone using cheats or escape a well timed ambush there are tons of players who won't. That player is gonna get items they shouldn't have gotten, stealing them from another player who would have earned them.

Even a terrible player using showEq is gonna blow up the leaderboards as they will KNOW where other players are and finding other people is often the hardest part of pvp. It will also allow big guilds to push the timers on NPCs as they will know exactly when every mob is up.

All these little things add up more and more, chipping away at the population until you are left with just a small amount of cheaters.

[Gustoo]

Hey I know lets all agree cheating is bad :(

[Thrilla]

Logged in yesterday just to check if my toon was still there. I got taken aback when I realized the char creation was 2012. 10 years, crazy - while I appreciate Rogean's intent to ensure nobody lost their progress, the players that populated red don't really care because the server is dead and they would trade all their pixels for a new box ran by p99 in a heartbeat.

I ported and ran around to see if I could find anyone to kill.. I have more memories from red than I do from live -- it was nice to reminisce about all those KC/DL/EJ/TT battles -- the race to 60, OOT seafury farming before Kunark etc. Velious killed the box.

I will say if a reset or a new server hasn't happened in 10 years, it probably won't.. and while I miss EQ PvP for some of the aforementioned reasons in this thread, I just don't care enough to play in a garage box with bad code. Maybe one day they'll be an announcement. It's so weird too because starting a new server must be such minimal effort for them. Oh well!

[Disease]

Logged in yesterday just to check if my toon was still there. I got taken aback when I realized the char creation was 2012. 10 years, crazy - while I appreciate Rogean's intent to ensure nobody lost their progress, the players that populated red don't really care because the server is dead and they would trade all their pixels for a new box ran by p99 in a heartbeat.

I ported and ran around to see if I could find anyone to kill.. I have more memories from red than I do from live -- it was nice to reminisce about all those KC/DL/EJ/TT battles -- the race to 60, OOT seafury farming before Kunark etc. Velious killed the box.

I will say if a reset or a new server hasn't happened in 10 years, it probably won't.. and while I miss EQ PvP for some of the aforementioned reasons in this thread, I just don't care enough to play in a garage box with bad code. Maybe one day they'll be an announcement. It's so weird too because starting a new server must be such minimal effort for them. Oh well!

Ya... See you here next week still begging.

[Tradesonred]

I will say if a reset or a new server hasn't happened in 10 years, it probably won't.. and while I miss EQ PvP for some of the aforementioned reasons in this thread, I just don't care enough to play in a garage box with bad code. Maybe one day they'll be an announcement. It's so weird too because starting a new server must be such minimal effort for them. Oh well!

Thats what i mean by treating the community poorly. Why cant they just pop in the thread and say either one of those 3 things:

"Were sorry to have given you hope, for reason X it will not happen"

"Were still working on it, we got delayed and cant give you a fixed timeline sorry"

"Its coming, in x months we are close to finishing it"

They cant complain were being bitter after doing this sort of stuff

[Gustoo]

Agreed. Permanent no news sucks and it’s been like this since beta when no one heard shit about changes being made based on beta experience till there was a patch and the game was live :/

Dear p99 team, why?

[starkind]

No news is sorta good news with p99.

P99 usually pretty quick to say no wtf guys.

[Gatorsmash]

Everyone wants people they like to be right, that's why popular people are fucking dumb.

I'm not gonna wrap the truth up in some pretty package paper so you can accept it, the truth is often like a turd, either you gonna swallow it down without a chaser or run from it screaming: "Icky!" Personally I don't give a fuck what you believe, I'm just telling it like it is.

You want to see shit as you wish it and I just know the whole story, uncut and unedited.

Sirken helped destroy red, he had ties to Nihilum from day one and turned a blind eye to the rampant RMT, showEQ use and MQ use of that guild allowing them to lock down the servers drops and hamper the PoP. He even joked about their blatant RMT on live streams. If Sektor didn't get live recordings and videos of RMT proof they'd still be destroying the server. But Sirken didn't ban all the offenders ,no, he allowed them to go Holocaust and start the whole thing all over again.

Then you got a clear problem with the core of dentists who are friends with the original crowd who made ShowEq and MQ, who are actually Fansy, Naez and Voidd. And they are gonna lobbyquest the dev's to make unclassic changes they can exploit. Something we've seen from Cwall and Nirgon on bug reports going back years on red, pretty much every terrible change to the code was instituted by these idiots whispering to their buddies.

And they are gonna spoof mac addresses so you can't ban them and distribute hack compiles of new showeq and mq. So how do you control the madhouse when the inmates are running the asylum?

“Then you got a clear problem with the core of dentists who are friends with the original crowd who made ShowEq and MQ”

The amount of autism it takes to think or believe this statement hurt my brain. The original creators are so old some of them aren’t even alive now you fucking potato

[Tradesonred]

“Then you got a clear problem with the core of dentists who are friends with the original crowd who made ShowEq and MQ”

The amount of autism it takes to think or believe this statement hurt my brain. The original creators are so old some of them aren’t even alive now you fucking potato

You think? I played EQ back on live with a 62 year old guy. HES probably not dead, maybe ganking some kid in his retirement home in albion online or something like hehehe got u u little whipper snapper.

[Cwall 146.0]

I almost never felt like people were cheating, because I never felt like anyone had an advantage over me.

pretty much how I felt, except with people I had a bias toward due to a history of hacking or developing hacks (like handpartytowel)

the only time I suspected someone of cheating was when I was fighting nizzar in cazic thule, a group of nihilum ported in, I 18 second tstaff proc'd nizzar, zoned out, ran to a random spot north/northeast into feerrott, nizzar zoned in 20 seconds after me, and somehow he beelined up to me behind a tree with no one else in zone

either way, if he were using showeq, it didn't help him by finding me because I just killed him anyway

if you're good at the game and knowledgeable, someone else cheating is not going to affect you very much and it's not going to be noticeable, unless it's some bodu/abacab type shit

if you think people are frequently cheating, it's probably because you're trying to cope with sucking at the game

[Gustoo]

You think? I played EQ back on live with a 62 year old guy. HES probably not dead, maybe ganking some kid in his retirement home in albion online or something like hehehe got u u little whipper snapper.

TBH being a retired person who can barely hold in my bowels at the ripe old age of 77 years old, and imagining getting to finally have an excuse to poopsock seems not so bad, but I think by then I'll just smile fondly at the ficus tree growing in the corner of the TV room, and also be telling me son to replace their goddam piece of shit LCD tv with a big fat CRT so I can hear seinfeld re-runs better.

[Disease]

pretty much how I felt, except with people I had a bias toward due to a history of hacking or developing hacks (like handpartytowel)

the only time I suspected someone of cheating was when I was fighting nizzar in cazic thule, a group of nihilum ported in, I 18 second tstaff proc'd nizzar, zoned out, ran to a random spot north/northeast into feerrott, nizzar zoned in 20 seconds after me, and somehow he beelined up to me behind a tree with no one else in zone

either way, if he were using showeq, it didn't help him by finding me because I just killed him anyway

if you're good at the game and knowledgeable, someone else cheating is not going to affect you very much and it's not going to be noticeable, unless it's some bodu/abacab type shit

if you think people are frequently cheating, it's probably because you're trying to cope with sucking at the game

This clown will go to his grave talking about Nizzar lol

[Gustoo]

Hey did the new server come out yet?

[waltjig]

Most people could watch someone using cheats and have no clue, and there is this idea that someone using cheats is gonna auto win so if they die they weren't using cheats, this is also false.

Show Eq is just gonna give you a loose idea of who is in what zone and tell you which mobs are up. Ever see a guy zone in right as the AC came up, yea showEQ. Or someone find people in the middle of nowhere over and over again. A shit ton of people were using showEQ on red and prolly still are because it's very hard to detect.

MQ on the other hand gives you access to the GM/Guide commands that were hardcoded into the game. Some of the MQ uses are very obvious like player invulnerability and super speed, others are not. A caster could turn off melee knockback effects and be almost impossible to interrupt and you would have no clue or a melee could be stalking you with PC invis and you would have no clue.

I have killed tons of players while using MQ, it has flaws and they can't use invulnerability without really risking being caught. I killed Kirban and Fansy on live while they was using MQ, quite a few times. Killed HPT while using it on red and watched players find me hidden in the middle of nowhere without a tracker more times than I can count. I can list 20 players using showEQ on there and there is 20 more I suspect and at least 15 that I highly suspected of MQ use.

Bottom-line is most players would have no clue when a cheat is being used right in front of them so they assume no one is, but tons of players are actually cheating, so much more than you ever imagined. For every cheating player caught 10 more got away with it, and if you see a GM catch someone using MQ and only one person was banned you best believe he gave out that compile to his friends.

God damn, your whore of a mother really should have just swallowed that load. You may be the single most useless and pathetic soul on this rock spinning through space. Congrats faggot

[Gustoo]

Interesting take ^^

[starkind]

It's really hard to kick ass at computer games when not in good shape. You gotta stay in great shape if you want to really kick ass.

[Zoolander]

i prefer to keep my epiced 60 wizard on red so i can come visit once a year to drop a tear in oceans of tears for nostalgic reasons. plz no reset.

edit: praiz the duke.

[Gustoo]

Haha first time I’ve seen a no reset post.

Reset won’t happen, new server can tho

[starkind]

I respect zoolanders opinions, feelings, and needs.

Pras.

[Jazzy]

Pras chewie whatawookie, pras gardur back

Real leaders who could stand and walk