Frontal stun immunity

[Steven01]

Frontal stun immunity seems very over rated or I just am very lucky. I've gone hours and hours never being stunned in the front. Dark Elf sk. Have had 15 mobs on me facing them still never getting stunned. 45- 50 level ranged mobs while being level 56 and 57.

Is it xamount of damage to be stunned or something from the front? I'm tempted to pull some level 60s and just face tank and see how long b4 I get stunned... or is it a level difference ..I have been trying to get stunned from the front... it just doesn't happen.. my only guess is mobs have to be much higher level.. or after a certain level you have like a 1% chance to get stunned .. I have pushed pretty hard to try to get stunned.. I know what I'm fighting stuns because once I turn back I get constant stunned.. just curious about others opinion

[Jimjam]

It used to be more powerful. Bash used to stun every hit. This is no longer true (furthermore bash has a good chance to miss let alone fail to stun). NPCs will often elect to kick instead of bash (shared cool down).

Npc melee stuns are rare, especially if grouped with a slower. Maybe a stun every 400 seconds.

[Worry]

It's nice to have, but yes it's overrated. Why I prefer Trolls.

[Keebz]

FSI is more relevant for high level/raid mobs. If you're killing low blues you won't get stunned much. It is slightly overrated here, but still very strong nonetheless.

[eisley]

Mobs have a 50% chance to bash, 50% to kick. And hit rate is about 50%. So 25% chance of being bashed every 8 seconds.

For casters, it can be pretty annoying, since at high level every bash interrupts your casting, but for melee, it's not that big of a deal.

On a raid boss, it'll lower your aggro slightly, but does it matter much? Eh. Does the 36 overcap AC of Iksar matter much? Eh.

[starkind]

Agi or Charisma > then FSI

U decide which !

[Naethyn]

It is nice when you are turning and get stunned. I've died from being stunned on a turn causing me to spin and show my back making it so defensive skills don't work.

[Allishia]

I'll admit vindi stuns me sometimes and it's annoying. But he never makes me go all the way around!

[eisley]

well, it depends on how quickly you're turning when you are stunned. it's safest to move immediately after a bash, if you have a gina timer for it and it's not like an urgent move.

[Beinen]

Does the FSI work towards raid mobs? Is there a limit or certain mobs/levels/attacks that can’t be immune towards?

[Vaarsuvius]

Frontal stun immunity seems very over rated or I just am very lucky. I've gone hours and hours never being stunned in the front. Dark Elf sk. Have had 15 mobs on me facing them still never getting stunned. 45- 50 level ranged mobs while being level 56 and 57.

Is it xamount of damage to be stunned or something from the front? I'm tempted to pull some level 60s and just face tank and see how long b4 I get stunned... or is it a level difference ..I have been trying to get stunned from the front... it just doesn't happen.. my only guess is mobs have to be much higher level.. or after a certain level you have like a 1% chance to get stunned .. I have pushed pretty hard to try to get stunned.. I know what I'm fighting stuns because once I turn back I get constant stunned.. just curious about others opinion

You might be exagerating a wee bit, with so many mobs in that level range (Seb/ Lower Guk/ HS/ the Hole/ Kedge / Kael) hitting you, you'd not be stunned but dead. Try 3-4 HS mobs and let us know how it goes :) I recently did so on a 60 shaman after an AoE Slow got 100% resisted.... RIP shaman in a matter of seconds

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yes, FSI is still good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEgFcImQ9XU Here you can see how often a higher level mob bashes. I have all the places in the video where a bash occurs marked in the description. I got hit 12 times by a bash on a 12ish minute fight, so average of 1 bash per minute. This is with a 75% slow applied.

For Shamans FSI is far superior to Troll Regen once you have Torpor.

For Warriors FSI is generally the better option. Most Warriors are not doing a lot of soloing. But Troll Regen is great if you prefer to solo on your Warrior.

For Shadowknights Troll Regen is is generally the better option, as Shadowknights are a great solo class, and many people use them as such. But FSI is good if you are someone who mostly/exclusively groups with your Shadowknight.

[bomaroast]

Speaking as an Ogre Shaman, I disagree. Stun isn't that big of a deal. I would much prefer an extra fungi's worth of regen.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Speaking as an Ogre Shaman, I disagree. Stun isn't that big of a deal. I would much prefer an extra fungi's worth of regen.

You should check the Shaman guide in my signature. You can Math out precisely how much Regen you get as a Troll over an Ogre, and it has been done in my guide. Before you get Torpor Troll Regen is 100% better, there is no doubt. Post Torpor you are basically always at full HP when not in combat due to Torpor. This means you aren't regenerating at all. While you are in combat, Troll Regen at best saves you one Torpor, and that is if it is a fight lasting longer than 12 minutes. Most fights do not go that long, and the ones that do don't need you to save one Torpor. Troll Regen post Torpor basically becomes useless. This is why most Torpor Shamans stop using Fungi Tunic and go for Vindi BP instead. Fungi Tunic becomes something like 5% of your total regen, and troll regen becomes around 2.5% of your total regen. Trolls only get +8 regen over Ogres when standing, and Torpor Shamans never sit down to regenerate, except maybe right after a resurrection due to sickness. Remember, Torpor is giving you +300 regen per tick.

[Loadsamoney]

Doesn't being stunned prevent one from being able to mitigate with Dodge/Parry/Riposte? While it doesn't prevent spell interrupts, I would think FSI is huge for a Warrior and maintaining their mitigation at all times.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Doesn't being stunned prevent one from being able to mitigate with Dodge/Parry/Riposte? While it doesn't prevent spell interrupts, I would think FSI is huge for a Warrior and maintaining their mitigation at all times.

FSI does prevent spell interrupts. If you get stunned, you are interrupted, guaranteed. FSI prevents you from getting stunned, which means you won't get interrupted on the stun. You fall back to the normal chance of failure.

For Warriors FSI is good for mitigation + hate. Getting stunned means you are not hitting the mob, which means you are losing agro. It's not game breaking by any means, plenty of Warriors are not Ogres. But Troll Regen in any serious fight is worthless, as you are getting CH'ed so often that you are barely even ticking regen.

[Loadsamoney]

FSI does prevent spell interrupts. If you get stunned, you are interrupted, guaranteed. FSI prevents you from getting stunned, which means you won't get interrupted on the stun. You fall back to the normal chance of failure.

For Warriors FSI is good for mitigation + hate. Getting stunned means you are not hitting the mob, which means you are losing agro. It's not game breaking by any means, plenty of Warriors are not Ogres. But Troll Regen in any serious fight is worthless, as you are getting CH'ed so often that you are barely even ticking regen.

But does being stunned also prevent Block/Dodge/Parry/Riposte or not?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

But does being stunned also prevent Block/Dodge/Parry/Riposte or not?

As far as I know being stunned prevents you from being able to use any of the defensive skills (Dodge/Parry/Riposte). Warriors do not get Block though. Block is Monk only.

[bomaroast]

Vindi BP, etc

Torpor has a 6 second cast time, and for a shaman time is the limiting constraint. Plus, regen is just always running, whether you're soloing, raiding or grouping.

Regen > FSI.

[Loadsamoney]

As far as I know being stunned prevents you from being able to use any of the defensive skills (Dodge/Parry/Riposte). Warriors do not get Block though. Block is Monk only.

Well, same thing as Parry, that's why I included it.

So Ogre Warriors not only have an advantage in hate generation, but also in never dropping their mitigation, which could be disastrous if it happens at the wrong moment.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Torpor has a 6 second cast time, and for a shaman time is the limiting constraint. Regen > FSI

Are you a Torpor Shaman? It sounds like you are not. Torpor is a game changing spell that allows you to regenerate your entire HP bar in 3 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZxMlJSCDc Constant regeneration becomes meaningless when you aren't regenerating most of the time, and when you are in combat you are using Torpor to heal. Math-wise it takes 12 minutes for Troll Regen to heal you 1200 HP, which is one Torpor. If a fight was determined by a single Torpor, the problem was more of your skill or the target you picked to fight, rather than lack of regen. FSI allows you to land slows much easier on the pull. That is when the encounter usually fails, if you cannot land slow initially.

[Loadsamoney]

Are you a Torpor Shaman? It sounds like you are not. Torpor is a game changing spell that allows you to regenerate your entire HP bar in 3 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZxMlJSCDc Constant regeneration becomes meaningless when you aren't regenerating most of the time, and when you are in combat you are using Torpor to heal. Math-wise it takes 12 minutes for Troll Regen to heal you 1200 HP, which is one Torpor. If a fight was determined by a single Torpor, the problem was more of your skill or the target you picked to fight, rather than lack of regen. FSI allows you to land slows much easier on the pull. That is when the encounter usually fails, if you cannot land slow initially.

Off-topic, but can a Druid compete at all with a Shaman in healing? Torpor vs Nature's Touch?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Off-topic, but can a Druid compete at all with a Shaman in healing? Torpor vs Nature's Touch?

No. Torpor is much more powerful than any Druid healing spell. Clerics heals are the ones that beat Torpor. Natures touch is better at healing more HP in a single go, but it is much less mana-efficient.

[Loadsamoney]

No. Torpor is much more powerful than any Druid healing spell. Clerics heals are the ones that beat Torpor.

Torpor is 1200 over time, Nature's Touch is 880 instantly. NT has no penalties, Torpor kills your movement speed and your melee DPS while it's active.

I guess if we're talking about mana efficiency then Torpor wins easily, but Nature's Touch by comparison doesn't seem bad.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Torpor is 1200 over time, Nature's Touch is 880 instantly. NT has no penalties, Torpor kills your movement speed and your melee DPS while it's active.

I guess if we're talking about mana efficiency then Torpor wins easily, but Nature's Touch by comparison doesn't seem bad.

Yeah you missed my edit. Sorry about that. Natures Touch is simply much less efficient mana-wise. And in any sustained healing situation, that is generally what wins out. Not saying Natures Touch doesn't have it's place. Natures Touch is a 2HP to 1Mana ratio. Torpor is 6HP to 1Mana ratio. 3x more efficient. And while yes Torpor reduces your DPS, you can't DPS when you are dead hehe.

[Naethyn]

Combat skills still work while stunned as long as you are facing the mob.

[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] You are stunned!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk bashes YOU for 69 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Stone begins to harden around your body. You have taken 40 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Bandit pierces Gorgalosk for 1 point of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was burned.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk hits Cats for 94 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk hits YOU for 61 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] You resist the Stone Breath spell!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Arcler has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] The Celestial Elixir fades.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit pierces Gorgalosk for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit tries to backstab Gorgalosk, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit backstabs Gorgalosk for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk was burned.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk hits Cats for 358 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to crush Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to crush Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to slash Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk hits YOU for 193 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to slash Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You are unstunned.

[Loadsamoney]

Yeah you missed my edit. Sorry about that. Natures Touch is simply much less efficient mana-wise. And in any sustained healing situation, that is generally what wins out. Not saying Natures Touch doesn't have it's place. Natures Touch is a 2HP to 1Mana ratio. Torpor is 6HP to 1Mana ratio. 3x more efficient. And while yes Torpor reduces your DPS, you can't DPS when you are dead hehe.

NT and Torpor probably combine well actually, Burst heal combined with HoT to help save on Cleric mana and preserve those precious CH's.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Combat skills still work while stunned as long as you are facing the mob.

[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] You are stunned!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk bashes YOU for 69 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Stone begins to harden around your body. You have taken 40 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Bandit pierces Gorgalosk for 1 point of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was burned.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk hits Cats for 94 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk hits YOU for 61 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] You resist the Stone Breath spell!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Arcler has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] The Celestial Elixir fades.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit pierces Gorgalosk for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit tries to backstab Gorgalosk, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit backstabs Gorgalosk for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk was burned.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk hits Cats for 358 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to crush Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to crush Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to slash Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk hits YOU for 193 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to slash Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You are unstunned.

Ah good to know! Thanks Naethyn.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

NT and Torpor probably combine well actually, Burst heal combined with HoT to help save on Cleric mana and preserve those precious CH's.

Yes! Typically if your Warrior is fighting a tough mob, you put Torpor on them and have Druids do off-healing on top of it. This helps fill the gaps between CH's.

[Loadsamoney]

Combat skills still work while stunned as long as you are facing the mob.

[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] You are stunned!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk bashes YOU for 69 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Stone begins to harden around your body. You have taken 40 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Bandit pierces Gorgalosk for 1 point of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was burned.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk hits Cats for 94 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk hits YOU for 61 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] You resist the Stone Breath spell!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Arcler has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] The Celestial Elixir fades.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit pierces Gorgalosk for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit tries to backstab Gorgalosk, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit backstabs Gorgalosk for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk was burned.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk hits Cats for 358 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to crush Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to crush Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to slash Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk hits YOU for 193 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to slash Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You are unstunned.

Ah, good to know. So Ogre Warrior isn't massively ahead of all other Warrior races then.

I've always leaned towards Barbarian for my Warrior race, personally.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Ah, good to know. So Ogre Warrior isn't massively ahead of all other Warrior races then.

I've always leaned towards Barbarian for my Warrior race, personally.

Yup. No racial is make or break. We are simply talking about which one is best. None are required to play Warrior effectively.

[Naethyn]

Natures Touch can be casted at double the range of torpor 100 vs 200 and is relevant for fights with aoes. It also doesn’t require to be in the group. That said, you’ll find a torpor shaman in the tank group. Sometimes when a shaman loses 60 from deaths I’ll boot them from the tank group telling them we don’t need a Druid.

[Loadsamoney]

Natures Touch can be casted at double the range of torpor 100 vs 200 and is relevant for fights with aoes. It also doesn’t require to be in the group. That said, you’ll find a torpor shaman in the tank group. Sometimes when a shaman loses 60 from deaths I’ll boot them from the tank group telling them we don’t need a Druid.

That's mean, lol. Class bias and favoritism isn't supposed to be a thing anymore.

[Jibartik]

This how I feel about frontal stun.

The only thing that can kill any shaman is a unresisted DDs IMO

ORyoYxbobOI

[Cen]

Everyone always talks about strong racials and Regen and FSI but never slam. Slam is awesome on SK and Warrior :p especially SK. It's pretty critical to play a big race for SK imo

[Danth]

Slam is awesome on SK and Warrior :p especially SK. It's pretty critical to play a big race for SK imo

My experience is the opposite; I don't care about slam all that much on a shadowknight. It doesn't hurt but I've never had cause to think of it as "critical." Fear's usually a better method of spell suppression. There's always shields so any shadowknight who wants to bash can do so with at worst a weapon change. I like slam best on a shaman since it otherwise doesn't get that ability at all and has very weak interrupts besides.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

My experience is the opposite; I don't care about slam all that much on a shadowknight. It doesn't hurt but I've never had cause to think of it as "critical." Fear's usually a better method of spell suppression. There's always shields so any shadowknight who wants to bash can do so with at worst a weapon change. I like slam best on a shaman since it otherwise doesn't get that ability at all and has very weak interrupts besides.

Danth

Slam is actually better for fear kiting than spell interruption on an SK (even though it does help with that too). The idea is that every time you stun the enemy for 1 second or so, you are extending your fear runway because they stop moving during the stun period. This is especially great in places where you have a small runway to fear kite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmDvk3udrhI shows an example of this I believe.

[Stonewallx39]

Combat skills still work while stunned as long as you are facing the mob.

[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] You are stunned!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk bashes YOU for 69 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Stone begins to harden around your body. You have taken 40 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Bandit pierces Gorgalosk for 1 point of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was burned.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk hits Cats for 94 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk hits YOU for 61 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] You resist the Stone Breath spell!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Arcler has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] The Celestial Elixir fades.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit pierces Gorgalosk for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit tries to backstab Gorgalosk, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit backstabs Gorgalosk for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk was burned.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk hits Cats for 358 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to crush Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to crush Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to slash Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk hits YOU for 193 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to slash Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You are unstunned.

Wait how come you’re attacking before your unstunned?

[Jimjam]

Its not great evidence as the parrys, swings and unstun all occur on the same timestamp so they may have just been reported innthe wrong order (ie was unstunned the whole time of 183332).

[Stonewallx39]

Okay, I checked my logs and what Naethyn brought forward seems to be correct. While it was not common (maybe just rng?) I did find instances where my defensive abilities fired while I was stunned, and not during the same time stamp (hopefully elimination the ordering noise).

Conclusion: Stun immunity should not have any impact on mitigating damage. However as said above FSI may slightly improve the ability to gain aggro due to either additional melee swings (could matter early in a fight?) or uninterrupted spell casting.

[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] You are stunned!
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] A Disciple of Innoruuk bashes YOU for 48 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] A Disciple of Innoruuk tries to punch YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] A Disciple of Innoruuk tries to punch YOU, but YOU block!
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] You think you are heading SouthWest.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Mata pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 58 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] You can't try to forage while attacking.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Chaunce slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 24 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Chaunce slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 44 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Mata pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 58 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Lisson pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Trayke slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 30 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Gambitt pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 1 point of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Mata slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 13 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Ulricht slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 34 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Syphyn pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 18 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] You can't try to forage while attacking.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Riptorage regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Chaunce slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 15 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Trayke pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:46 2022] Chaunce slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 29 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:46 2022] You try to crush a Disciple of Innoruuk, but miss!
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:46 2022] You crush a Disciple of Innoruuk for 153 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:46 2022] You are unstunned.

[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] You are stunned!
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] A Chetari Dominator bashes YOU for 70 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] A Chetari Dominator tries to hit YOU, but YOU block!
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] A Chetari Dominator hits YOU for 101 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] A Chetari master hits Keeya for 154 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Enemyy was tormented.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Enemyy crushes a Chetari Dominator for 68 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Enemyy was tormented.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Enemyy crushes a Chetari Dominator for 39 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Keeya crushes a Chetari master for 132 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Keeya crushes a Chetari master for 151 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Keeya kicks a Chetari master for 60 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] Duwen was tormented.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] Duwen crushes a Chetari Dominator for 26 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] A Chetari Dominator hits YOU for 61 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] A Chetari Dominator hits YOU for 166 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] Enemyy was tormented.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] Enemyy kicks a Chetari Dominator for 57 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] You are unstunned.

[Windez]

Since those occur at the same timestamp as the initial stun wouldn't that effectively be the same issue?

[Stonewallx39]

Since those occur at the same timestamp as the initial stun wouldn't that effectively be the same issue?

Well Eff, idk… I’ll try to find one that happens in the 1 second in between.

[Jimjam]

Found this (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3252725&postcount=13).

[Thu Jan 14 21:54:28 2021] You are stunned!
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:28 2021] A greater skeleton bashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:29 2021] A greater skeleton tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:30 2021] You are unstunned.

[Troxx]

I have, on rare occasion, wished I had FSI on my dwarf warrior. It really doesn’t matter much but if you’re tanking a big nasty and they smash you while turning it keeps spinning you to expose your back …

Happened maybe 2-3x total to me but thankfully never resulted in damage spike and death.

Overall I prefer my barrel roll and dwarfly awesomeness swinging a mighty 2h axe.

[Stonewallx39]

Found this (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3252725&postcount=13).

[Thu Jan 14 21:54:28 2021] You are stunned!
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:28 2021] A greater skeleton bashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:29 2021] A greater skeleton tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:30 2021] You are unstunned.

Thanks Jimjam! I searched all my logs for all my melees (who aren't Ogres) and found only 1 example of a defensive ability firing while stunned and not on the same time stamp as stunned vs unstunned. In the case of the one I found the stun seemed to last 3 seconds vs the standard 2 so there might be a timing piece. Yours looks pretty conclusive though.

[Tue Jul 19 11:57:03 2022] You are stunned!
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:03 2022] Skeletal guardian hits YOU for 20 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:03 2022] Skeletal guardian hits YOU for 20 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:03 2022] A drolvarg guardian tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:03 2022] A drolvarg guardian tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] Stardog tells the guild, 'black panther - is that rogue or monk goodies?'
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] Skeletal guardian hits YOU for 21 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] Skeletal guardian tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] Skeletal guardian hits YOU for 58 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] Skeletal guardian tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] A drolvarg guardian hits YOU for 31 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:[U]05 2022] A drolvarg guardian tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:06 2022] You are unstunned.