Best wizard race for pve/pvp?

[papito]

What is the best race for wizards when it comes to green/blue and what is the best race for red?

[Samoht]

Race: Dark Elf
Religion: Solusek Ro
Starting stats: Put 25 points into STR, then 5 to INT (or STA if you prefer). 5 to AGI is also option if you happen to pick Erudite instead of DE.

[Nibblewitz]

Gnome.

[sajbert]

Hide is pretty useless past 50.

Statwise it makes no difference.

DE vision is king, gnome size means wallhack snd harder to target.

I’d say gnome but DE is a fine choice too.

As for attributes. Going int helps unless you’re gonna get uber-raiding gear. Str is the only useful stat if u have 75+ agi. Sta gives almost nothing.

[Tunabros]

dark elf or gnome min max wise

fashion: go human and get a velious custom helm

[Gustoo]

Gnome or Dark elf for sure.

Tough call. Gnome makes getting max ally easier in a lot of popular cities.

Hide ability can help but mostly as mentioned at low level action.

Really tough call. Overall probably gnome.

Samoht - is any reason to be solusek ro besides coolness?

[Samoht]

Samoht - is any reason to be solusek ro besides coolness?

Really the only diety based gear in the game that's any good is the SolRo wizard rings: Imbued Platinum Fire Ring (https://wiki.project1999.com/Imbued_Platinum_Fire_Ring)

[papito]

ty for the advice everyone i made a gnome wizard, does anyone have any tips that a gnome wizard should know?

[PatChapp]

Wizards a pretty lonely path, very much a solo class.

You'll be quad kiting for xp as soon as your able to,all the way to 60.
It's a very fast but tedious path.

[Sylex]

ty for the advice everyone i made a gnome wizard, does anyone have any tips that a gnome wizard should know?

Like PatChapp mentions quadding will be your bread and butter, and sometimes will be faster than regular grouping all the way to 60. PoTG/C2 is your best friend in this regard as it means less downtime. Get Jboots and Temp Flux staff as soon as you are able to help facilitate a smooth quadding experience.

You CAN be an asset to groups but not without mana regen. Make sure if you're joining or forming a group you take this into consideration beforehand, otherwise you'll be sitting a lot.

[sajbert]

Wizard advice

- Get solist's icy wand if you can afford it, great wiz twink item

- get +hp and +mana items if you can afford it, eventually phase out for hp+int items as you get more levels and until you hit 200 int.

- save up for jboots, only mandatory wiz item for quadding.

- do staff of temperate flux quest when u can.

- quad quad quad when u get circle of force at 34. you can do it before that but, eh.

- realize at higher levels that raiding blows and that you can't get your epic without heavy raiding and even with the epic you can't do much on your own and you're not too welcome in groups either and that the class is thus 100% pointless. smile when you sunstrike mobs for 1600 damage.

[Sylex]

realize at higher levels that raiding blows and that you can't get your epic without heavy raiding and even with the epic you can't do much on your own and you're not too welcome in groups either and that the class is thus 100% pointless.

Gotta disagree with the opinion here, except for the fact that you can't do much on your own (outside of quadding or root rotting mobs that don't summon).

1) Raiding - In a lot of respects raiding kinda blows (it is EQ after all) but idk some people like it. I will say that being a level 60 wizard versus a level 59 wizard will make all the difference in the world regarding what kind of damage you are able to output for any given target. See Lure of Ice, Hsagra's Wrath, and Porlos' Fury - of course you need Concussion first. Also, TL's are extremely useful for raid mobilization. Not only for ports, but for example, a wizard can cast a TL to bind on a puller in ToV to help split tricky pulls like Triplets. Lastly don't underestimate the power of the Flux Staff - wizards can become super effective rippers and fill other niche roles with it. Raid adds on your clerics? Spam flux staff to save the whole raid.

2) Epic - I obtained my epic in a few months as a casual without heavy raiding. Phinny can be done with 2-3 people and spawns every 12 hours - sometimes he is up half the day, not really a competitive target, it just takes persistence as the drop rate is on the uncommon side. Broken golem is almost always up - attend any Fear raid your guild is doing and ask them to kill broken golem while clearing for other targets. Got staff from VS during a quake (with an uncontested bid - there's usually not many wizards bidding). VS is usually one of the last targets that guilds will go for during quakes, so plenty of time to prioritize and take him down.

3) Groups - Partially disagree with this, because there will be some groups that don't want wizards, mostly because of their misconceptions about the class or their desire to min/max the only way they know how. But long story short is, you NEED mana regen if you are grouping, and the group needs to organize its composition around this. Grab a PoTG before heading out (or have a 60 druid parked nearby), have a chanter for c2, have a bard for mana song. At least two out of these three forms of mana regen will help dramatically. If killing higher level mobs (a few levels under or over you) use your most mana efficient DD nukes. If killing lower level mobs (5-6 levels under you or more) use rain spells on single targets for maximum damage per mana (weave in Concussion for this, and watch for rooted or CC'd mobs so you don't break them). Get with your friendly neighborhood Magician, Druid, Necro, or Shaman to facilitate resist debuffs so you can maximize damage output. Once you get your epic there is so much more you can do in groups, especially those lacking mezz CC.

[Toxigen]

Gnome. Seeing through walls is god tier.

[Samoht]

- realize at higher levels that raiding blows and that you can't get your epic without heavy raiding and even with the epic you can't do much on your own and you're not too welcome in groups either and that the class is thus 100% pointless. smile when you sunstrike mobs for 1600 damage.

This is not even remotely true. Wizard epic is one of the easiest to obtain right now. At level 60, Wizard is actually top DPS on many raid encounters due to an unresistable 2k damage nuke (giant/dragonbane). Wizards bring great DPS to other encounters as well as unmeasurable utility with ports, TLs, and snap aggro.

And while you won't find many groups as a wizard, you can solo quite efficiently to get 60.

They're squishy AF, though. Classic glass cannon play style.

[sajbert]

Gotta disagree with the opinion here, except for the fact that you can't do much on your own (outside of quadding or root rotting mobs that don't summon).

1) Raiding - In a lot of respects raiding kinda blows (it is EQ after all) but idk some people like it. I will say that being a level 60 wizard versus a level 59 wizard will make all the difference in the world regarding what kind of damage you are able to output for any given target. See Lure of Ice, Hsagra's Wrath, and Porlos' Fury - of course you need Concussion first. Also, TL's are extremely useful for raid mobilization. Not only for ports, but for example, a wizard can cast a TL to bind on a puller in ToV to help split tricky pulls like Triplets. Lastly don't underestimate the power of the Flux Staff - wizards can become super effective rippers and fill other niche roles with it. Raid adds on your clerics? Spam flux staff to save the whole raid.

2) Epic - I obtained my epic in a few months as a casual without heavy raiding. Phinny can be done with 2-3 people and spawns every 12 hours - sometimes he is up half the day, not really a competitive target, it just takes persistence as the drop rate is on the uncommon side. Broken golem is almost always up - attend any Fear raid your guild is doing and ask them to kill broken golem while clearing for other targets. Got staff from VS during a quake (with an uncontested bid - there's usually not many wizards bidding). VS is usually one of the last targets that guilds will go for during quakes, so plenty of time to prioritize and take him down.

3) Groups - Partially disagree with this, because there will be some groups that don't want wizards, mostly because of their misconceptions about the class or their desire to min/max the only way they know how. But long story short is, you NEED mana regen if you are grouping, and the group needs to organize its composition around this. Grab a PoTG before heading out (or have a 60 druid parked nearby), have a chanter for c2, have a bard for mana song. At least two out of these three forms of mana regen will help dramatically. If killing higher level mobs (a few levels under or over you) use your most mana efficient DD nukes. If killing lower level mobs (5-6 levels under you or more) use rain spells on single targets for maximum damage per mana (weave in Concussion for this, and watch for rooted or CC'd mobs so you don't break them). Get with your friendly neighborhood Magician, Druid, Necro, or Shaman to facilitate resist debuffs so you can maximize damage output. Once you get your epic there is so much more you can do in groups, especially those lacking mezz CC.
1) Lets not get into the hassle of even getting the lvl 60 dragon and giant spells which are basically throwing peridots at raid targets. Nobody is disputing that a wizard can throw out some heavy damage in raids, Wizard is a great raiding class although it appears to be dethroned by rogues in Velious, if you're in a top guild anyways.

2) Getting gnarled staff on a quake and uncontested, that's ridiculous luck that nobody should ever hope for. The rest is admittedly a cakewalk in comparison. You basically gotta pick a guild that either wins VS races consistently and meet whatever silly attendence criteria they have OR be in a guild that does 2nd rate targets like VS on quakes and hope they actually care enough to do VS early.

3) At the end of the day, even trying your best wizards cannot handle grouping well and match a rogue or monk in damage output. The few tools we bring (root, evac and stuns) can be filled by other classes in the comp. Does it mean we never get invited to a group? No, but it does mean we're not a good grouping class.

[Sylex]

1) Lets not get into the hassle of even getting the lvl 60 dragon and giant spells which are basically throwing peridots at raid targets. Nobody is disputing that a wizard can throw out some heavy damage in raids, Wizard is a great raiding class although it appears to be dethroned by rogues in Velious, if you're in a top guild anyways.

2) Getting gnarled staff on a quake and uncontested, that's ridiculous luck that nobody should ever hope for. The rest is admittedly a cakewalk in comparison. You basically gotta pick a guild that either wins VS races consistently and meet whatever silly attendence criteria they have OR be in a guild that does 2nd rate targets like VS on quakes and hope they actually care enough to do VS early.

3) At the end of the day, even trying your best wizards cannot handle grouping well and match a rogue or monk in damage output. The few tools we bring (root, evac and stuns) can be filled by other classes in the comp. Does it mean we never get invited to a group? No, but it does mean we're not a good grouping class.

1) Giant bane nuke is easy to get. One-groupable targets that are hardly ever down. Dragon bane on the other hand, a lot more difficult due to the rarity of Myga.

2) It really wasn't that hard, nor was it a lot of luck. I'm not sure what server you're playing on, but every quake (and now there's around 3 a month due to recent GM changes) we have hours to decide if we want to go for VS or not, before any other guild even bothers. Maybe your guild/alliance hasn't been prioritizing that target? Idk.

3) I'm sorry to hear that you haven't had an enjoyable experience with grouping. Imo the best utility a wizard brings a group is not sustained DPS like a monk or a rogue, but their ability to burst targets down quickly in sticky situations. If you are in fact a wizard speaking from a wizard perspective, I would recommend forming your own groups, or finding some friends that enjoy trying something other than the perceived notion of what is optimal. Not everyone's trying to constantly min/max their groups.

Edit: OP is starting a wizard because they are interested in playing the class. So while your goal may be to provide all the negatives and why a wizard is useless and to discourage OP from even trying in the first place, my goal here is to provide insight on why I've had positive experiences as a wizard, to encourage OP to give it a try because there's often a lot of overlooked or underutilized utility with the class. Has it been easy the whole way? Absolutely not. Has it been rewarding in the end? You bet.

[Samoht]

2) Getting gnarled staff on a quake and uncontested, that's ridiculous luck that nobody should ever hope for. The rest is admittedly a cakewalk in comparison. You basically gotta pick a guild that either wins VS races consistently and meet whatever silly attendence criteria they have OR be in a guild that does 2nd rate targets like VS on quakes and hope they actually care enough to do VS early.

Ask Eclipse how "lucky" it is to get VS on a quake. All you have to do is bring a raid force to KC and it's yours. Nobody is contesting VS on a quake.

[sajbert]

Ask Eclipse how "lucky" it is to get VS on a quake. All you have to do is bring a raid force to KC and it's yours. Nobody is contesting VS on a quake.

Yeah, just bring your personal raid force and oh then there's the part that the staff needs to drop too. And when I say uncontested I don't mean VS, I mean that nobody else needs the staff.

So TC, just get popular and convince a lesser guild to do VS for your sake. EZ

[Samoht]

Yeah, just bring your personal raid force

Jesus christ, man, wtf is wrong with you?

This is a cooperative raiding game.

You won't be getting ANY epic without a guild, much less wizard.

Go shit on somebody else's thread.

[sajbert]

Jesus christ, man, wtf is wrong with you?

This is a cooperative raiding game.

You won't be getting ANY epic without a guild, much less wizard.

Go shit on somebody else's thread.
This is your thread now? Go shit on yourself.

Hey bud, you’re the one claiming that wiz epic is ”one of the easiest to obtain right now” and I’m disagreeing with that. No need to be a dickhead about it. Up to OP to decide what to believe.

Your argument is basically ”oh just bring a raid force on a quake”, which massively understates the issue. Yes, we all need a guild but no guild is gonna pop VS just for you first thing on a quake, staff isn’t likely to drop and catching quakes isn’t a cakewalk for a casual raider. 99% of the time you will need to put in the work.

Is it as hard as mage epic? Hell no. But one of the easiest? No way. Druid, Paladin, Monk, Rogue, Monk, Shaman are all easier by a mile. That’s popular opinion as well.

But hey, OP is free to believe you, or not.

[Samoht]

Hey bud, you’re the one claiming that wiz epic is ”one of the easiest to obtain right now” and I’m disagreeing with that. No need to be a dickhead about it. Up to OP to decide what to believe.

A) You're wrong
B) You're the dickhead

Your argument is basically ”oh just bring a raid force on a quake”, which massively understates the issue. Yes, we all need a guild but no guild is gonna pop VS just for you on a quake. 99% of the time you will need to put in the work.

C) This happened JUST YESTERDAY on blue. It is entirely within the realm of possibilities.

Is it as hard as mage epic? Hell no. But one of the easiest? No way. Druid, Paladin, Monk, Rogue, Monk, Shaman are all easier by a mile. That’s popular opinion as well.

D) No epic can be done solo. Each of your examples of "easy" epics is going to require a raid at some point. The wizard epic is much shorter, though. That's what makes it easy.

OP, please do not listen to this fool who doesn't understand raids or guilds at all. They're probably just sour that nobody likes them enough to help with their epic.

The wizard epic is highly attainable on P99, whether or not this thread has been derailed.

[papito]

A) You're wrong
B) You're the dickhead



C) This happened JUST YESTERDAY on blue. It is entirely within the realm of possibilities.



D) No epic can be done solo. Each of your examples of "easy" epics is going to require a raid at some point. The wizard epic is much shorter, though. That's what makes it easy.

OP, please do not listen to this fool who doesn't understand raids or guilds at all. They're probably just sour that nobody likes them enough to help with their epic.

The wizard epic is highly attainable on P99, whether or not this thread has been derailed.

Ty for the advice Samoht, i don't know if ill ever get high enough level to get the epic but it def does look very doable compared to some of the other ones.

[Kirdan]

To answer the original question: Human. Why do anything if you don't look good doing it?

[sajbert]

Good luck on your wiz OP. Sorry about the shitshow, shouldn't have entertained his shitposting.

[E-Queue]

Just wanted to mention that the Vermilion Robe of Torrefaction drops off Velketor the Sorcerer and is, in my opinion, this single most important item you could want on a wizard. It's clickable at level 40 and gives you a sustained 42 dps mana-free*. A wizard with a clicky robe is very solid dps in groups on top of their other useful abilities. If we're discussing epics and high level wizard drops, I think we gotta mention this thing too. It'll change your wizard experience more than anything else.

*With a 15 second cast time, you miss several med ticks so it's not actually mana-free.

[sajbert]

Just wanted to mention that the Vermilion Robe of Torrefaction drops off Velketor the Sorcerer and is, in my opinion, this single most important item you could want on a wizard. It's clickable at level 40 and gives you a sustained 42 dps mana-free*. A wizard with a clicky robe is very solid dps in groups on top of their other useful abilities. If we're discussing epics and high level wizard drops, I think we gotta mention this thing too. It'll change your wizard experience more than anything else.

*With a 15 second cast time, you miss several med ticks so it's not actually mana-free.

Never had the Velk robe. Does anyone know how it compare to the VP Rend one?

[E-Queue]

Never had the Velk robe. Does anyone know how it compare to the VP Rend one?

VP robe is certainly better (54 dps vs 42 dps iirc), but a bit tougher to obtain. It's also magic based damage so is a bit less reliable than the Velk robe's fire damage for some mobs. You really can't go wrong either way.

The other clicky dd options are generally not worth clicking IMO aside from Solists Icy Wand at low levels or one of the others if something is near zero health and fleeing.

[enjchanter]

wizard epic is one of the easiest epics in the game
you need 3 pieces and theyre all trivial to get

[PatChapp]

wizard epic is one of the easiest epics in the game
you need 3 pieces and theyre all trivial to get

The phinny staff is easy but can be time consuming, I did around 25 phinny kills getting my water staff and in that time only 2 wizard staffs dropped. Likely bad rng involved there, but it can still take a while. At least on green VS is very contested,but very possible.

[mattydef]

I managed to get a velk robe and orb on my wizard alt at level 40 and it completely broke the game. That's obviously not realistic but having a clicky nuke on a wizard is amazing. The wizard epic is probably middle of the pack in difficulty but definitely doable, and honestly, worst case scenario, you're just as effective in groups and raids even without one. It's always fun to be in a wizard group and compete against the rogues for experience on raids.

[Balimon]

You guys are forgetting that you can buy a gnarled staff MQ for very little plat. Wizard epic is indeed super easy, any raiding guild is good enough.

Oh and to get back on track, any race is fine for wizard. Anyone can use shrink pots so gnome doesn't really have any advantage there.

[sajbert]

You guys are forgetting that you can buy a gnarled staff MQ for very little plat. Wizard epic is indeed super easy, any raiding guild is good enough.

Oh and to get back on track, any race is fine for wizard. Anyone can use shrink pots so gnome doesn't really have any advantage there.

Never seen it sold on Green.