Mages probably chased all the pop off VZTZ

[Stasis01]

That's my honest assessment as the box swirls the drain of population, if mage pets behaved like that for so long the GM's are at the minimum incompotent and people see it.

It doesn't even feel like EQ. And of course nerds would all use it to try to gain an advantage making it even more ghetto for casuals just wanting to be a halfling in the shire surnamed hobbins.

[Tassador]

Posting about another server pop on dead red forums just screams “please the 6 of you listen to my rant”.

Please seek help. Insanity is no way to go through life.

[Sear]

I assume class balance is WIP but pop seems good

https://i.imgur.com/c1bkaip.png

[EatitNerd]

Stasis one boxed a rogue with shit gear and a serrated bone dirk in classic, of course he’s gonna complain about pets. Luckily population is still booming and server thriving

[reebz]

Stasis is a baby ya but pets have been fucked on every shit box that came out in the last 5 years. Playing classic on RoZ in lguk was ass the pets didn't agro any mobs and didn't have pathing so they would just sink into the floor or walls where you couldn't cast on them while they beat your ass

I don't really expect much better from VZTZ (but I have to played so maybe I'm wrong)

[Darkone]

Kringe has always been working and lobbyquesting directly with the GMs in order to "fix mages" on each and every drugbox. This has been going on for 10 years+, if its not pets quadding for max damage and never missing its them being unrootable because Kringe convinced some GM its a good idea to let pets have the same resist as their owner.

I played the latest drugbox, i have not played any of the other last 5 drugboxes and some good improvements have been made.

Positives:

Anti plug code (red should have this)

PVP scoreboard

PVP Flagging system

FFA PVP zones

Insane fast zoning (most likely due to new client?)

"Anti Cheat" not even sure if this works, there are some people on the box surely finding you quickly without track most likely they run a showmq packet sniffer on antother machine or inside a VM which makes it invisible to the anti hax.

The negative

XP is too fast (imo), i like the idea of fast XP early on, but it should slow down drastically after lvl 24 or something like this, to get off the ground early levels. The problem with this insane XP is that the PVP meta instantly becomes too sweaty for warm bodies like me, you can't leave home without full cleric, ench, shaman buffs and since xp is so fast you are expected to have a stable of at least 12 characters at your disposal, it sorta sucks the fun out of the game.

Still massively unbalanced, worse imbalance than i remember old drug boxes being, probably due to pets being so incredible overpowered with a shitty resist code to boot.

Charm/Pets are still completely broken, both overpowered and their pathing is broken.

Resist code seems worse now than it was 10 years ago when i played on the drugbox 2.0.

GM's and developers seem to be adding or removing content based on 1-2 peoples opinions in discord, for example there's a rumor that some mages have a 15% spell haste item, yet this item is nowhere to be found on any pvp vendor, it looks like someone complained that this item was "too good" and then gms removed it from the vendor, but didn't remove the spell from the mages who already purchased it, shit like this seems to be a daily thing on the drugbox.

Many named mobs have searyx'd loot tables (no loot at all), my pal spent 6 hours farming najena wondering why he couldnt find any mage focus items, then went to CT and got them in 5 minutes, lul. (PS we saw you stasis sitting there at Najena Jboot for hours on end, poor guy... searyx'd loot tables are the worst.)

Kunark was pushed out way to quick 3 weeks of classic? a warm body like myself has barely gotten out of cloth and kunark hits

[EatitNerd]

XP is too fast (imo), i like the idea of fast XP early on, but it should slow down drastically after lvl 24 or something like this, to get off the ground early levels.

GM's and developers seem to be adding or removing content based on 1-2 peoples opinions in discord, for example there's a rumor that some mages have a 15% spell haste item, yet this item is nowhere to be found on any pvp vendor, it looks like someone complained that this item was "too good" and then gms removed it from the vendor, but didn't remove the spell from the mages who already purchased it, shit like this seems to be a daily thing on the drugbox.

Exp was voted on and with close to 300 votes it was 90%/10% in favor of fast exp, you’re in the minority that want “slow exp” no one wants to do classic exp rates in 2022 on a pvp box, level 26 pvp sucks.

Also, the mage item is still on the pvp vendor sorry you’re blind and missed it (or didn’t even look).

[EatitNerd]

Stasis is a baby ya but pets have been fucked on every shit box that came out in the last 5 years. Playing classic on RoZ in lguk was ass the pets didn't agro any mobs and didn't have pathing so they would just sink into the floor or walls where you couldn't cast on them while they beat your ass

I don't really expect much better from VZTZ (but I have to played so maybe I'm wrong)

Luckily things like pet pathing got fixed but their hit rate was just a bit absurd, hardly ever missed which made for a crappy classic meta. The already powerful classic classes just got even more powerful but it’s already evening out in the first 48 hours of kunark

[reebz]

Well that's good I'm glad pets for the 3 weeks of classic were almost OK in 2022

[Darkone]

Also, the mage item is still on the pvp vendor sorry you’re blind and missed it (or didn’t even look).

It wasn't in neriak, rivervale or in freeport when we checked last day of classic, but was used by some of the top tier pvp rankers in pvp the same day, seems drugboxy 2 me

As for the xp, it doesn't need to be classic levels of xp, but it takes a day to get 50, seems sorta broken to me. That means everyone needs all character classes in their stable and it feels like red99 instantly where you can just throw bodies at pvp.

The whole lock out mechanic in pvp is literally bypassed by sweaty nerds leveling a million different chars to 50, why even bother having the lockout if there are 10 toons per player and by the time you have died on your last toon you can just summon your body and repeat the process.

[reebz]

We need Gustoo here to tell us it's ok for everyone to have a dozen max level characters because if makes pvp more fun or something

[Gustoo]

Reebz you got me all wrong. On my theory quest box by the time the server level cap hits level 60 and people have multiple alts hit 60 at the same time the game is over anyways

It also means that there would be a whole pile of people at level 50 waiting for the level 55 or 60 cap to release so fighting like animals at all the level 50 plus loot and exp areas. Some dude might have a stack of level 50s built up with shit hear (cuz you can’t box on this server) but he’s gunna be getting his ass kicked by the guy who focused on one character or maybe two.

Not sure what better alternative you have in mind. I want slow exp with hard level caps to keep people bunched together below level 50 and then below level 60 in order to stretch out the progression and de incentivize the drugs play style.

Drugs guys are always going to play and do their best but this method would allow even a guy like Knuckle to bare knuckle box his rogue to the level cap in each series while having more pvp than he could eat along the way.

Tell me a better way?.

[Stasis01]

new people, shits stale.

[EatitNerd]

It wasn't in neriak, rivervale or in freeport when we checked last day of classic, but was used by some of the top tier pvp rankers in pvp the same day, seems drugboxy 2 me

As for the xp, it doesn't need to be classic levels of xp, but it takes a day to get 50, seems sorta broken to me. That means everyone needs all character classes in their stable and it feels like red99 instantly where you can just throw bodies at pvp.

The whole lock out mechanic in pvp is literally bypassed by sweaty nerds leveling a million different chars to 50, why even bother having the lockout if there are 10 toons per player and by the time you have died on your last toon you can just summon your body and repeat the process.

Kinda funny you say exp is too fast yet here we are people have put in 50+ hours since kunark launch with double ench groups and still no lvl 60s

[EatitNerd]

We need Gustoo here to tell us it's ok for everyone to have a dozen max level characters because if makes pvp more fun or something

Wait you don’t have him muted like the rest of us? Lol behind the times

[Cwall 146.0]

Kringe has always been working and lobbyquesting directly with the GMs in order to "fix mages" on each and every drugbox. This has been going on for 10 years+, if its not pets quadding for max damage and never missing its them being unrootable because Kringe convinced some GM its a good idea to let pets have the same resist as their owner.

nah I wrote the pet resist code on RoZ 2.0 because mages were and always are absolute trash past classic without classic resist rates (higher pet MR = higher chance to resist root/snare etc.); kringe had nothing to do with it

on every single other emu server, pet resist values have not mattered really whatsoever, so every pet is always immediately crowd controlled

I told voidd that leaving that resist system in without tweaks for classic would probably make pet classes too strong, but he ignored it and then added dumb focus items for mages, only to exacerbate the issue

the owner's resists have nothing to do with whether a pet can be crowd controlled, this is a rumor started by an announcement voidd made where he had no idea how pet resists worked. the pet's actual MR is what matters, and pets follow the same resist calculations that players do. for example, if a pet has 70 MR, they are effectively as hard to CC as a player with 70 MR. the level 49 magician pets have a base MR of 26, so without buffs/items, they're as easy to CC as a naked player, at which point CC effects land very often.

tl;dr pet owners are rewarded for buffing their pet and protecting its buffs, shit's classic

I was top 5 of the leaderboard for the entirety of the first 2 weeks when I played, and I never had issues with pets because I would just pumice off their MR buff and then root landed almost every cast

[Stasis01]

HAHAHAHA

[EatitNerd]

They didn’t use cwalls pet code from 2 years ago not sure why he’s still commenting. We’ve already proven that it’s going off pet owner resist, it’s easy to test, load up a naked char, MR buff it, try to root.. it’ll land 90% of the time, now load up a pet (as a mage with resist gear) and MR it, root will land 25% of the time. It was busted, luckily they disabled pets zoning with buffs for kunark so that has helped a bit.

Also he was “top 5” as a pet class while they were busted, what do ya know.

[Cwall 146.0]

we tested resist rates on pets summoned by a mage with well over 100 magic resist, and root landed almost every cast on it

I'd like to see proof that the owner's magic resist impacts pet resist rate, because it aligns neither with the code I wrote (that they have verified they are still using) nor the testing we did in-game

[EatitNerd]

My proof is with the GMs, it’s a big reason why we got pets zoning without buffs now, was the easiest fix for now. I know you haven’t played in 2-3 weeks though (quit) so I wouldn’t expect you to understand what’s going on, meaning don’t comment like you do.

[Cwall 146.0]

cool, I also tested this with the GMs

let me know when you can prove your claim

[Stasis01]

can some1 ask skeet dawg how long my suspension is for.

I'm a reformed man.

[Cwall 146.0]

I don't think this game is good for your mental health

[Disease]

can some1 ask skeet dawg how long my suspension is for.

I'm a reformed man.

Take this to the vztz forums (LOL).

[Zemgus]

Take this to the vztz forums (LOL).

where is vztz forums

[Stasis01]

I don't think this game is good for your mental health

? #1 on leaderboard, King of Guk, First person banned, first 50 rogue?

All my firsts accomplishments lift my spirits.

[Stasis01]

THANK YOU SKEETER PLEASE DONT BE TROLLING ME IM SORRY I REALLY AM

[Stasis01]

Thoughts from the #1 pvper on VZTZ for a brief time -

The competition seemed lacking.

General lack of skill.

[Cwall 146.0]

I agree

but that's been the case for like 10+ years on these boxes

[SamwiseRed]

Yikes

[EatitNerd]

Stasis had 173 kills on vztz in 3-4 weeks of playing.

165 of them were him killing his box Gaanon.

Hope this helps.

[Disease]

Stasis had 173 kills on vztz in 3-4 weeks of playing.

165 of them were him killing his box Gaanon.

Hope this helps.

Gaanon was hot garbage on Tallon zek. I concur with this post.

[Stasis01]

How dare you.

[Stasis01]

Stasis was #1

[PatChapp]

Today it was confirmed dragons were only aeing 4 targets,what a jokebox

[Disease]

Today it was confirmed dragons were only aeing 4 targets,what a jokebox

Server was made to entertain people for a few weeks. Anybody with a brain and a life isn't wasting their time on that hot garbage.

[Gustoo]

Today it was confirmed dragons were only aeing 4 targets,what a jokebox

It’s cuz dragons got caught use aoe spells to level up too fast so they got nerfed

[JayDee]

Today it was confirmed dragons were only aeing 4 targets,what a jokebox

people don't seem to realize how much coding has been done for p99

millions of dollars worth were you to hire a staff to do so

[PatChapp]

people don't seem to realize how much coding has been done for p99

millions of dollars worth were you to hire a staff to do so

And what does this have to do with vztz? How many times has naggy went down and noone noticed their pet zergs weren't melting to ae's?

[naez 9000.0]

The root cause traced back to an old RoZ rule to nerf bard AE, being overly applied. As a disciple of Brad, I was unsurprised at this punishment for lobbyquest blasphemy. It was hot-fixed shortly after being clean-whistle reported.

Different guilds (with less people than last time) sniped the dragons this morning, post-fix. Raiding in EQ (also known as, defeating mobs designed to be defeated) is easy, PvP combat is what brings difficulty to the game.

But I agree, this is a huge deal to get fixated about. Wipe it clean.

[Stasis01]

Is there a stasis model in the island of mischiefs yet

[Ragnaros]

290 pop a few days ago, 3 guilds getting targets in kunark
????

[Stasis01]

I wish I was in VP right now TBH.

[EatitNerd]

I am.

[Stasis01]

Big

[Stasis01]

Hard

[Stasis01]

Cocks

[EatitNerd]

Server pop starting to die out with Lost Ark taking flight and long variance windows cucking the raid scene, GMs don’t seem to care about variance even when both big guilds say it sucks and don’t want it

[Stasis01]

community is dead

[Gustoo]

Server pop starting to die out with Lost Ark taking flight and long variance windows cucking the raid scene, GMs don’t seem to care about variance even when both big guilds say it sucks and don’t want it

What server? EverQuest?

[starkind]

Lost ark looks terrible ewww.

[Sear]

Lost Ark = bloated F2P crap. Story and world feels super generic.

VZTZ is still doing it for me. This is as good as it gets for a red EQ server in 2022, and it's in the best expansion/era atm.

[New_Guy]

Kringe was lobbyquesting with the GM's the entire time for stronger mages and whenever somebody talked about it in discord he would whine like a fucking bitch.

If you wanted to custom balance mages more just fucking give them fade or shadowstep and pet only mez since they are the masters of pets, that way they weren't sitting ducks, problem solved. You don't fucking make their pets unstoppabble killing machines that zone with handed weps like gnoll hide lariats and buffs.

Letting gimps like Cwall or Nirgon near your code is a recipe for OP classes as they favor the classes they plan on playing.

Flagging is the biggest shit show I've ever seen, if you become flagged someone can hit you but you can't hit the player attacking you back lol it doesn't flag them when they hit the oor flagged player. So a flagged player can be killed by someone 15 lvls lower and can't do shit to defend themselves, kinda hilarious.

And all of this FFA shit is to cater to blues who need dual boxed buffs just to pvp, this server has highlighted how weak the pvpers of red actually are as most will gate the minute you strip off their raid buffs. If you cant pvp without getting buffed by every class first, you suck and are a bitch that would get smoked by a real pvper.

I murdered all of you with just my own buffs on red99, which shows how bad you all are. This is not a red server, it is more of an introductory server for blues who can't handle real pvp.

[Disease]

Kringe was lobbyquesting with the GM's the entire time for stronger mages and whenever somebody talked about it in discord he would whine like a fucking bitch.

If you wanted to custom balance mages more just fucking give them fade or shadowstep and pet only mez since they are the masters of pets, that way they weren't sitting ducks, problem solved. You don't fucking make their pets unstoppabble killing machines that zone with handed weps like gnoll hide lariats and buffs.

Letting gimps like Cwall or Nirgon near your code is a recipe for OP classes as they favor the classes they plan on playing.

Flagging is the biggest shit show I've ever seen, if you become flagged someone can hit you but you can't hit the player attacking you back lol it doesn't flag them when they hit the oor flagged player. So a flagged player can be killed by someone 15 lvls lower and can't do shit to defend themselves, kinda hilarious.

And all of this FFA shit is to cater to blues who need dual boxed buffs just to pvp, this server has highlighted how weak the pvpers of red actually are as most will gate the minute you strip off their raid buffs. If you cant pvp without getting buffed by every class first, you suck and are a bitch that would get smoked by a real pvper.

I murdered all of you with just my own buffs on red99, which shows how bad you all are. This is not a red server, it is more of an introductory server for blues who can't handle real pvp.

That's why no body but the same 50 retards play it each time. They are box servers with inflated numbers. They come here every few months and try to recruit for their "new" server.

[New_Guy]

That's why no body but the same 50 retards play it each time. They are box servers with inflated numbers. They come here every few months and try to recruit for their "new" server.

It was actually hilarious to watch this time around, Kringe, Cwall and crew played 24/7 for 3 weeks to outgear and outpace everyone, all with inside knowledge of the code and ties to the devs.

They just wanted to prove they were "Good" at pvp by confirming exactly while I called them bad this entire time. By acting just like blues, needing full groups with full buffs and full GM support, with better gear to beat people by playing 1000x more than everyone else and then quitting before any normal humans with lives could close the gear gap and murder them.

[Gustoo]

I think these junk servers are great even though I never play them.

Being good at pvp and good at EverQuest are not mutually exclusive things, but they are also two different things. I like any body who is good at EverQuest including playing it on a pvp server. You can be junk at player vs player
Combat but still good at playing on a pvp server.

Maybe some of these guys that new guy here thinks suck
So bad are good at eq.

I really miss playing red 1 with actual players and have good feelings for every scumbag weirdo and also normal person who logs on.

Hopefully king rogean of the box gives us another shot. Or a pretend hardware failure so red 1 actually gets wiped? With a clear cut solution so it “never happens again”

Anyways no surprise random pvp server was bad. It’s a good practice arena.

[EatitNerd]

That's why no body but the same 50 retards play it each time. They are box servers with inflated numbers. They come here every few months and try to recruit for their "new" server.

It’s funny because New_Guy here just joined the zerg today, talk about bluebie as fuck! Not much has changed, talks a big game and then ends up rolling with the zerg when he plays.

[Israel Adesanya]

It was actually hilarious to watch this time around, Kringe, Cwall and crew played 24/7 for 3 weeks to outgear and outpace everyone, all with inside knowledge of the code and ties to the devs.

They just wanted to prove they were "Good" at pvp by confirming exactly while I called them bad this entire time. By acting just like blues, needing full groups with full buffs and full GM support, with better gear to beat people by playing 1000x more than everyone else and then quitting before any normal humans with lives could close the gear gap and murder them.

i dont think you know what "outgear and outpace everyone" means

[Stasis01]

Good points fellas good thread.

[New_Guy]

It’s funny because New_Guy here just joined the zerg today, talk about bluebie as fuck! Not much has changed, talks a big game and then ends up rolling with the zerg when he plays.

There is three giant guilds on the server atm was I not supposed to join any of them?

Meanwhile I said this entire time I was gonna join a big guild.

[Gustoo]

What server has giant guilds?

[EatitNerd]

What server has giant guilds?

The only active pvp server in the last few years. We get it we won’t see you on a active pvp server though (bad player), but who knows you could join a zerg and try to warm body it if they don’t kick you first.

[Stasis01]

story of my life

[Gustoo]

I just don’t know why you’re calling em giant guilds rather than healthy guilds. I’d love to play Vztz. It doesn’t fit the slow motion play style I am able to accommodate these days. The people that played on red99 after having been through like ten emu pvp servers post-live were all cool chaps and even when rule sets and mechanics changed between servers, the experience and game knowledge from dealing with eq pvp over the years was always evident in those players even if the servers themselves come and go.

We’ve barely played together so the diss isn’t really needed but that’s ok.

[PatChapp]

I just don’t know why you’re calling em giant guilds rather than healthy guilds. I’d love to play Vztz. It doesn’t fit the slow motion play style I am able to accommodate these days. The people that played on red99 after having been through like ten emu pvp servers post-live were all cool chaps and even when rule sets and mechanics changed between servers, the experience and game knowledge from dealing with eq pvp over the years was always evident in those players even if the servers themselves come and go.

We’ve barely played together so the diss isn’t really needed but that’s ok.
Im pretty slow Mo and still enjoying vztz, leveling is very fast but not too much PvP until you get 50+. Already feels very top heavy but still fun even if I'll never compete gear wise.

[Cwall 146.0]

It was actually hilarious to watch this time around, Kringe, Cwall and crew played 24/7 for 3 weeks to outgear and outpace everyone, all with inside knowledge of the code and ties to the devs.

They just wanted to prove they were "Good" at pvp by confirming exactly while I called them bad this entire time. By acting just like blues, needing full groups with full buffs and full GM support, with better gear to beat people by playing 1000x more than everyone else and then quitting before any normal humans with lives could close the gear gap and murder them.

sorry you lost

better luck next time

[Stasis01]

Not everyone can be #1 New guy can you exit the champions thread please.

[Stasis01]

I gave my EQ life to kill a Erudite (Zechariah). Im basically jesus of VZTZ.

[New_Guy]

Not everyone can be #1 New guy can you exit the champions thread please.

I'd hold off on declaring yourself a champion when my lvl 43 shaman with mostly empty slots dropped a geared lvl 49 Gannon in a 1v1.

I don't even know how that is possible to be honest, a shaman at 43 is one of the most gimp classes in the game, they have less firepower and healing than a cleric.

[Gustoo]

It’s your slimey troll blood, or ogre whatever you’ve got.
Seems like server is still pretty fun

[New_Guy]

sorry you lost

better luck next time

Sorry Champ but you and Kringe were the only two methheads who played for 127 hours to prove you could pvp on this weird custom wacky code box.

Seriously brah, why do you care so much what these nerds think? It's really sad.

[starkind]

New guy is so f'ckn badass. If he disses u. U where a champ :p

[New_Guy]

New guy is so f'ckn badass. If he disses u. U where a champ :p

There is nothing sadder than caring what nerds who play a 20 year old elf sim think.

But at least I'm not biased, I really believe you are all beneath me and not fit to fondle my sack.

[starkind]

Well. I believe you! Especially from a pvp perspective. U seem pretty hardcore.

[New_Guy]

Well. I believe you! Especially from a pvp perspective. U seem pretty hardcore.

It's a video game, who gives a shit, the end of the world is coming.

[starkind]

Maybe. At least u was a pvp champ b4 it ended

[Stasis01]

Thoughts by Stasis.

The main problem with VZTZ is that there's been too many ROZ's or whatever. People don't really give a shit and are boring. There's no competition its just a chill boring style of content farming on easy mode garage box.

I need emotions and passion in my elf simulator. Dota2 is the best I have found, probably because I'm too shitty to play FPS's nowadays.

[Stasis01]

And that faggot Engelburt doesn't log off.