The Homeless Solution

[BlackBellamy]

https://i.imgur.com/x4mwgaS.jpg

Each concentration camp person gets a tiny house!

Wisconsin is doing it! (https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/madison-breaking-up-homeless-encampment-at-reindahl-park/article_3da9eba2-f486-5545-866f-44a9951602a6.html)

I'm not saying concentration camp like with bad connotations, the goose stepping guys or those gulag archipelagos. I'm saying it's a camp, I mean it looks like a camp it doesn't get any more lookier than that it's definitely a camp, and also the homeless people are concentrated there. They used to be concentrated in a park, but now they are being moved to a camp, so this is a new concentration for them, that's all.

“They’re moving people so fast. There’s a sense of shock,” said Pearl Foster, an advocate for the homeless spending time at the park in solidarity with them.

It's fortunate that this camp is next to factories. I mean fulfillment centers we don't make manufacture anything lol, but same thing. It's good that the concentrated people at that camp are next to a wholesome work environment. This way they can maybe work there and get some money and be free. Work can set them free. But to achieve that freedom they have to be concentrated in their tiny house camp first.

Wisconsin is very progressive and is trying very hard to get their homeless people a chance! This is probably because 90% of Wisconsin's population is of northern European origin and those of German descent are most numerous. When you combine such industriousness and right-thinking only the best can result! I'm sure the tiny house factory is being utilized with utmost efficiency and soon all the homeless people in Wisconsin will have a nice clean camp to call their own.

There are other people who need homes, itinerant driveway-sealers who live out of caravans. Like gypsies. No one wants to live like that.

[Tunabros]

it's literally free

lol

you expect them to give them full size 1 bedroom apartments?

it's meant to get them back on track

because some people need that chance

[BlackBellamy]

I get the idea it's just the optics are so bad here it's almost hilarious. I used to work in the mental health field way back and was just catching the tail end of the deinstitutionalization movement. Before that the vast majority of homeless people were unfortunates, afterwards the ranks swelled with the mentally ill. Combined with the meth and opioid...I hate to use the overworked term epidemics but they also had a very noticeable effect on the homeless population.

"Solving" the homeless issue is very hard. A good portion of these people would be served with administrative help and shelter, like here. But the vast majority are going to take a lot more work, a lot more than society seems to be willing to do.

[Whale biologist]

https://i.imgur.com/2QYbdf5.gif

[Jibartik]

it's literally free

lol

you expect them to give them full size 1 bedroom apartments?


Yes 100%

This is what the "camps" looked like before JFK and demorats stole from the mentally ill because they are all satan worshipers.

https://i.imgur.com/HIxHwtb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Yi36KDp.png

https://i.imgur.com/24pZ2jJ.png

Homeless care after demorats:

https://i.imgur.com/SYhIsMH.png

https://i.imgur.com/GpGhZ4D.png

https://i.imgur.com/nWgqk1q.png

[Tunabros]

get your politics out of here

barf

[Jibartik]

When you combine such industriousness and right-thinking only the best can result!

lol

Progressives + left-thinknig = startrek

Progressives + right-thinking = eugenics?

🤔

[starkind]

If I was healthy and abled I would be leading a full scale rebellion charge at bayonet point. Next Generation will have to do that instead.

Thank god they will just stick me in a tiny rubber tent and enable my suicide instead.

/post is entirely for fictional/musical/giggles/entertainment/faux news porposisesesesess and /sarcasms

I'm perfectly fine, *big SIPS in steamfont*

plz dont mindcrime me

[Ooloo]

Many homeless people are sadly beyond help, seemingly. Many of them are so addicted to one substance or another, or so completely devoid of hope, or mentally ill, that you can literally give them a nice cushy place to live and they will either wander back onto the streets or it turns into a crack\whore house. It's not clear what the solution is, but just throwing houses at them because "hey they're homeless" never works.

[Jibartik]

Mental hospitals were just those liberal utopia scandanavian goverment assisted drug programs change my mind.

They always have the liberal voters chasing a carrot on a stick. In this instance it's chasing a carrot their own leaders got rid of (their own favorite leaders at that)

[loramin]

Yes 100%

This is what the "camps" looked like before JFK and demorats stole from the mentally ill because they are all satan worshipers.


Homeless care after demorats:



What a bizarre version of history you have. Are you not aware that, while governor of California, it was Regan who closed all the mental health facilities (https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homele ss_mental_illness/) (and made all the crazy people homeless)?

[unsunghero]

There were some abuses. It’s before my time so I don’t have the deets and it probably wasn’t all

But where it occurred I heard it was bad

Edit: I like the people just standing around to watch the homeless fight with crutches in one of the pics

[Whale biologist]

What a bizarre version of history you have. Are you not aware that, while governor of California, it was Regan who closed all the mental health facilities (https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homele ss_mental_illness/) (and made all the crazy people homeless)?

Could always count on Reagan to advance the cause of human liberty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinstitutionalisation#United_States). :cool:

[robayon]

Many homeless people are sadly beyond help, seemingly. Many of them are so addicted to one substance or another, or so completely devoid of hope, or mentally ill, that you can literally give them a nice cushy place to live and they will either wander back onto the streets or it turns into a crack\whore house. It's not clear what the solution is, but just throwing houses at them because "hey they're homeless" never works.Damn the term "seemingly" is doing some heavy lifting up in this post

Do you say any of this out of personal experience, or just talking out of your ass again?

[Gatordash]

So this homeless guy steals someone's car over by the airport in Las Vegas which starts a high speed chase on the highway. A cop tries to lay down a spike strip on the highway and the homeless guy runs him over. Cops then pit maneuver him and shoot and kill the homeless guy.

It turns out this homeless guy is named Douglas Claiborne. Claiborne makes 600k/yr from family inheritance. He gets 50k installments each month. Despite being rich as fuck, he sleeps under a bridge in Hawaii and sometimes flies out to Las Vegas to gamble.

Point being that although giving homeless people shelter is a good idea to normal people with functioning brains, I'm guessing a lot of those homeless people like being homeless.

Local news article if you wanted to read about it. (https://www.8newsnow.com/i-team/i-team-excessive-amount-of-meth-found-in-driver-who-hit-killed-trooper-in-chaotic-las-vegas-chase/)

[Jibartik]

What a bizarre version of history you have. Are you not aware that, while governor of California, it was Regan who closed all the mental health facilities (https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homele ss_mental_illness/) (and made all the crazy people homeless)?

read

The Community Mental Health Act of 1963 (also known as the Community Mental Health Centers Construction Act, Mental Retardation Facilities and Construction Act of 1963) was an act to provide federal funding for community mental health centers and research facilities in the United States. This legislation was passed as part of John F. Kennedy's New Frontier. It led to considerable deinstitutionalization.

https://www.kqed.org/news/11209729/did-the-emptying-of-mental-hospitals-contribute-to-homelessness-here

https://www.wbur.org/news/2013/10/23/community-mental-health-kennedy

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2013/10/21/jfks-goals-for-mental-health-system-still-unmet-experts-say/

https://www.samhsa.gov/homelessness-programs-resources/hpr-resources/jfks-legacy-community-based-care

That moment when everything you believed republicans did for your whole life you find out the most loved democrat did.

Could always count on Reagan to advance the cause of human liberty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinstitutionalisation#United_States). :cool:

https://i.imgur.com/t2X09FM.png

[Ooloo]

Damn the term "seemingly" is doing some heavy lifting up in this post

Do you say any of this out of personal experience, or just talking out of your ass again?

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I'm saying many homeless people would still be homeless. Yes, throwing houses at *some* of them will help them. So go do that, by all means (we already do this btw).

What do you do about the remaining homeless people who are hell bent on being homeless?

If you want to see what happens: Invite a homeless person to live in your house. Just let the experiment play out from there.

I'm not denigrating the homeless at all, more trying to get bougie liberals to think harder about the issue.

[robayon]

I'm not denigrating the homeless at all, more trying to get bougie liberals to think harder about the issue.I asked you a question and you avoided it

Have you worked with the homeless directly? Have you been homeless? Where do you get your information that forms this opinion?

[loramin]

read


https://www.kqed.org/news/11209729/did-the-emptying-of-mental-hospitals-contribute-to-homelessness-here

https://www.wbur.org/news/2013/10/23/community-mental-health-kennedy

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2013/10/21/jfks-goals-for-mental-health-system-still-unmet-experts-say/

https://www.samhsa.gov/homelessness-programs-resources/hpr-resources/jfks-legacy-community-based-care

That moment when everything you believed republicans did for your whole life you find out the most loved democrat did.



From your own article:

1963 President John F. Kennedy signs the Community Mental Health Act. This pushes the responsibility of mentally ill patients from the state toward the federal government. JFK wanted to create a network of community mental health centers where mentally ill people could live in the community while receiving care. JFK could have been inspired to act because his younger sister, Rosemary, was mentally disabled, received a lobotomy and spent her life hidden away.

Less than a month after signing the new legislation, JFK is assassinated. The community mental health centers never receive stable funding, and even 15 years later less than half the promised centers are built.

He wasn't getting rid of mental health hospitals, he was trying to make better ones.

Meanwhile ...

1967 Ronald Reagan is elected governor of California. At this point, the number of patients in state hospitals had fallen to 22,000, and the Reagan administration uses the decline as a reason to make cuts to the Department of Mental Hygiene. They cut 2,600 jobs and 10 percent of the budget despite reports showing that hospitals were already below recommended staffing levels.

1967 Reagan signs the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act and ends the practice of institutionalizing patients against their will, or for indefinite amounts of time. This law is regarded by some as a “patient’s bill of rights”. Sadly, the care outside state hospitals was inadequate. The year after the law goes into effect, a study shows the number of mentally ill people entering San Mateo's criminal justice system doubles.

1969 Reagan reverses earlier budget cuts. He increases spending on the Department of Mental Hygiene by a record $28 million.

1973 The number of patients in California State mental hospitals falls to 7,000.

Again, it was Republicans who kicked all the crazy people onto the street. Maybe don't try to prove the exact opposite of your point with facts that contradict that point?

[Ooloo]

I asked you a question and you avoided it

Have you worked with the homeless directly? Have you been homeless? Where do you get your information that forms this opinion?

Haha nice appeal to authority.

But yes, I have known and worked with homeless people. Many. So what?

Hey man if you aren't a registered MATHEMATICIAN you can't tell me 2+2=4!

[robayon]

Haha nice appeal to authority.

But yes, I have known and worked with homeless people. Many. So what?

Hey man if you aren't a registered MATHEMATICIAN you can't tell me 2+2=4!I'm just wondering how you got so wildly misinformed about the causes of homeless and the true effects of poverty if you have 'worked' with them and 'known' them

And spare me the debate club garbage, nobody has ever cared, this isn't a formal debate and those rules are for the academic liberals you all claim to despise

[unsunghero]

Point being that although giving homeless people shelter is a good idea to normal people with functioning brains, I'm guessing a lot of those homeless people like being homeless.


Well all shelters have a rule of no illegal drug possession and no drug use. So if you want to use drugs that means shelters are off the table. That alone prevents a good chunk from wanting to look at those

Part of the appeal of the streets is anything goes

[Ooloo]

I'm just wondering how you got so wildly misinformed about the causes of homeless and the true effects of poverty if you have 'worked' with them and 'known' them

And spare me the debate club garbage, nobody has ever cared, this isn't a formal debate and those rules are for the academic liberals you all claim to despise

Nah they are for here to. It's as if basic rules of logic have existed since the greeks and romans. You actually think nobody on the right is educated? Talk about bougie and out of touch.

If somebody presents an argument, and you ignore the entire thing and just say "well YOU aren't a doctor", you haven't actually presented a counter argument to anything they said.

[Jibartik]

He wasn't getting rid of mental health hospitals, he was trying to make better ones.

Meanwhile ...

oh my god you seriously are going to read the links I give you then try to tell me that Im wrong?

Again, it was Republicans who kicked all the crazy people onto the street. Maybe don't try to prove the exact opposite of your point with facts that contradict that point?

Whats wrong with you is that you dont understand how politics and goverment works, you think that one side is the bad guy.

It's obvious that you dont care about anything but your belief system so who cares but here you go:

JFK REPLACED TEH ASYLMS WITH FEDERAL GOVERMENT OVER SIGHT WHICH THE GOVERMENT THEN GOT RID OF.

He shut down 500,000 beds and replaced them with a PROGRAM.

A program that like all goverment programs suffers from failing miserably at its job. (I dont care that you blame daddy raglan for it, its HIS JOB to reduce goverment spending )

People believe that the goverment solves all your problems then when conservatives use the goverment to get rid of your programs before they even start you blame republicans.

At least with their program, the homeless actually had care and shelter.

Whatever you dont care. Go on wearing your pink hat.

[Whale biologist]

oh my god you seriously are going to read the links I give you then try to tell me that Im wrong?



Whats wrong with you is that you dont understand how politics and goverment works, you think that one side is the bad guy.

It's obvious that you dont care about anything but your belief system so who cares but here you go:

JFK REPLACED TEH ASYLMS WITH FEDERAL GOVERMENT OVER SIGHT WHICH THE GOVERMENT THEN GOT RID OF.

He shut down 500,000 beds and replaced them with a PROGRAM.

A program that like all goverment programs suffers from failing miserably at its job. (I dont care that you blame daddy raglan for it, its HIS JOB to reduce goverment spending you dolt)

God I hate how you people believe that the goverment solves all your problems then when conservatives use the goverment to get rid of your programs before they even start you blame republicans.

At least with their program, the homeless actually had care and shelter.

Whatever you dont care. Go on wearing your pink hat.

Reagan repealed most of Carter's mental health act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980), except for the part about liberating the camps and rights and crap. He then gave the states block grant $$$ to deal with it on their own.

New Federalism go brrr.

[Jibartik]

and suprise suprise california screwd that up?

Guess who didnt, the asylums.

You guy's are having the wrong argument, what you're arguing is that "the state could do a good job of taking care of the homeless, if there were no such thing as conservatives"

Yeah I agree. But with them the private sector did.

We dont live in la la land where there are no short bald people.

Blame dad or conservatives or whatever, the reason the ship sank is because of the policy JFK put into action. He's the one that got rid of the beds.

Dad just didn't get any new ones (keep in mind dad made it loud and clear he was not interested in getting new ones before they got rid of the old ones)

[Homesteaded]

Democrats try and seize power to control the populations. Conservatives don't like that. Privately run works more efficiently to solve problems 99% of the time. Very few worlds require the Gov.

[Patriam1066]

I’ve read that homelessness explodes as rent approaches 35% of wages, which is near where we are now. No idea if that’s true, but I don’t remember there being this number of homeless when I was younger. And it’s not like Texas probably ever supported the mentally ill (I have no idea, I’m assuming this state never had a philosophy of helping, could be wrong). Homelessness has exploded here. I told a guy walking past my mansion the other day that he violated the limes of my gated community. I’m nice, so I bought him some chick fil a and escorted him back to a more public and grimey thoroughfare

[Whale biologist]

Democrats try and seize power to control the populations. Conservatives don't like that. Privately run works more efficiently to solve problems 99% of the time. Very few worlds require the Gov.

Private is cheaper for sure but I don't know if it's always better in all areas.

like that's the whole idea behind private prisons but yiiiiikes.

[Patriam1066]

Democrats try and seize power to control the populations. Conservatives don't like that. Privately run works more efficiently to solve problems 99% of the time. Very few worlds require the Gov.

Do you think a private military could’ve won World War II? Go read about how the Romans defeated Hannibal. It was a culture of citizenship and a supreme militaristic state that kept western civ alive during its genesis

Hope this helps! Kneel before the flag and the holy Bible pleb

[Patriam1066]

The state should be led by our best, and you all, my obese friends, are not it

[Jibartik]

Private is cheaper for sure but I don't know if it's always better in all areas.

like that's the whole idea behind private prisons but yiiiiikes.

whoah whoah whoah.

The problem with private prisons is that the GOVERMENT agencies and JUDICIAL system is getting payed off to fill them!

Private prisons, use lobbyists (goverment) to enact policy (goverment) to ensure their prisons are full so they can meat (goverment) quota's for (goverment) payments.

The only thing preventing them from full blown success, is the free market media revealing this.

[Jibartik]

I am like a dark elf ben shapiro

[loramin]

oh my god you seriously are going to read the links I give you then try to tell me that Im wrong?

Whats wrong with you is that you dont understand how politics and goverment works, you think that one side is the bad guy.


Look obviously both sides are the bad guy in just about any political discussion, and that's no less true here. But again, just a basic understanding of history shows that it was Republican forces that were largely responsible for why we have millions of crazy homeless people in the streets instead of in institutions.

Another quote from your link:

1981 President Reagan repeals Carter’s legislation with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. This pushes the responsibility of mentally ill patients back to the states. The legislation creates block grants for the states, but federal spending on mental illness declines.

[Whale biologist]

Homelessness has exploded here.

Does 5th circuit have any shelter requirement rulings in order to sweep? I wonder if the other regions are playing ball just to avoid the same situation being judicially codified.

They aren't allowed to out west(9th) unless there's shelter space for all of them.

Seems like a bad idea to require every municipality to build up that much capacity for a transient population.

[unsunghero]

I’ve already gone over this with you guys, you must not remember. What happened in the past doesn’t matter, what matters now is mostly the cost, and the idea of human rights

Has anyone here had to deal with a family member with dementia? If you want to place them in a memory care unit or a nursing home, and they don’t want to go, do you know the conservatorship process? In case you never had to deal with it, here’s how it goes:

1. Get 2 different doctors to sign off saying this person is no longer mentally competent to make medical decisions for themself

2. Hire a lawyer to prepare the paperwork for conservatorship. YOU CANNOT DO THIS YOURSELF. And you are looking at at LEAST $2,000 in legal fees

3. There will be a court date and a a process where a court will eventually grant a person or public fiduciary conservatorship

Ok? Not easy. Now repeat that process for tens of thousands of homeless people. You need to legally remove their American right to self-determination to force them into a mental health institution and that’s expensive and a hassle

When I say expensive, it’s nothing compared to the costs to house them. What’s rent looking like these days? How about rent in a Hospital building? Ever seen how expensive it is to stay overnight in a medical hospital? Now multiply that by 365 for every day of the year

That’s just rent. What about paying the nurses (because you will still need medical staff) and licensed clinical social workers to work there’s salary? Maintenance on the bullring? Liability insurance?

Who’s going to pay for that? You think private insurance companies are going to want to foot the bill for a treatment that has no end date? A treatment that promises no recovery? Fuuuuuck no

So does money printer go brrr? Or do we just go to the Democrat honeypot, the make believe solution to all the world’s problems of just stealing money from rich people?

The costs and the issue of legally removing people’s rights are the barriers nowadays in our modern society

[Jibartik]

Look obviously both sides are the bad guy in just about any political discussion, and that's no less true here. But again, just a basic understanding of history shows that it was Republican forces that were largely responsible for why we have millions of crazy homeless people in the streets instead of in institutions.

Another quote from your link:

Totally disagree, the republicans couldn't even have a say in it had the democrat's short sighted hate of private industry hadn't allowed them. So if you want to say "largely" then lets point the reason we're even discussing it.

Decade after decade. This is the legacy of democrat politics. A complete lack of understanding of value that this country has in its incredible economic system. Or the effects of putting power in the hands of politics.

For thousands of years of bureaucracy man sat idle building castles out of stone, then capitalism comes around and now we're buying doggie coins and sending men to space.

Politics doesn't solve everything, because the only thing it can do is cut the baby in half.

https://i.imgur.com/LcIHcC5.png

[unsunghero]

If any of you are feeling suicidal and want to go into an inpatient behavioral health hospital, and you want to pay out of pocket, your expected cost will run about $2,000-$5,000 per day you stay. The average stay is about 1 week, so that’s going to run you about $21,000 for the week (I went with $3k/day)

Google estimates there are about 550,000 homeless in the USA. Let’s assume 50% are mentally ill to the point of incapable of caring for themselves

Legal fees to remove their human rights = $2,000 per person so 2,000 * 275,000 = 550million, that’s just to remove their rights

Now the meat and potatoes, the cost to treat them. There are 52 weeks in a year * 21,000$ per week inpatient mental health treatment = $1,092,000

1,092,000 (cost to treat a person for a full year inpatient for mental health) * 275,000(number of homeless needing this) = $303,300,000,000 + 550,000,000 (cost to take away their rights) = $303,850,000,000

$303 billion 850 million

This is why the government has decided it’s more cost effective to let them die on the street and occasionally kill others

[robayon]

Capitalism is indeed a death cult

[Whale biologist]

$303 billion 850 million


CYOA:

That's half of what we spend on the military!

https://i.imgur.com/zMEZGE7.png

That's 19 times what we spend on American farmers!

https://i.imgur.com/zMEZGE7.png

[Jibartik]

CYOA:

That's half of what we spend on the military!

https://i.imgur.com/zMEZGE7.png

That's 19 times what we spend on American farmers!

https://i.imgur.com/zMEZGE7.png

color me surprised when people dont want to give drug addicts' that much except religious organizations.

[robayon]

If somebody presents an argument, and you ignore the entire thing and just say "well YOU aren't a doctor", you haven't actually presented a counter argument to anything they said.Can you detail the argument you were presenting?

[Homesteaded]

99% boys...not 100%

Thanks

[TheBardo]

Can you detail the argument you were presenting?

everything Ooloo posts originates from the arguments he has with the fictional liberals that occupy his brain.

[Ooloo]

Can you detail the argument you were presenting?

I did, in my posts. Read my posts, it contains my argument. I try not to employ logical fallacies such as "Oh yeah? Well, you don't count because X reason" and then bail.

[Gravydoo II]

That price projection is completely insane. Thats not reality, stop it. If we can run prisons with medical and mental health facilities for under 40k per prisoner, we can do it with homeless people.

Why would you do inpatient at those stupid prices? The problem is the god damn prices for medical treatment are out of fucking control. That needs to be handled, first.

Outpatient programs start at around 150 dollars to get on methodone and shit. The total is about 350 a month, per person, to give em a drug to keep them sober. Then housing, then food etc. Its not no 1 mil per person per year, thats crazy.

The bandits that will write the contracts will give kick backs and charge the government 3x what it would everyone else so we all have to pay for it. Thats the problem, too. Of course the contract will go to some friend of the governor or something, his brother in laws niece will own the company etc.. It will never work in ameirca. Too corrupt.

[Jibartik]

The only problem with one flew over the cookoos nest was the labotomy, otherwise those guys were living in paradise.

Now they clean their own poop buckets with their socks.

[nostalgiaquest]

I try not to employ logical fallacies such as "Oh yeah? Well, you don't count because X reason" and then bail.

Lol. Thanks for the laugh.

[Whale biologist]

The only problem with one flew over the cookoos nest was the labotomy, otherwise those guys were living in paradise.

Now they clean their own poop buckets with their socks.

Not really. It was a prison system.

https://i.imgur.com/da0fvqF.gif

[Jibartik]

Jack was a prisoner, who got out of prison by way of pleading insanity. So he was moved to a hospital.

Also that guy at the end probably strangled a family to death after he got out.

cookoo's nest is the prequel to Halloween prove me wrong.

[Swish]

color me surprised when people dont want to give drug addicts' that much except religious organizations.

That tiny wedge for education, it's sad.

[Whale biologist]

That tiny wedge for education, it's sad.

Used to be they wanted the federal out of education entirely, back when conservatives were men, before the tromp transition.

[Jibartik]

When did what are your political beliefs become which side are you on.

[Gravydoo II]

Religious organizations dont give anything. If they were giving it away, they wouldnt put it on their taxes to claim it and get it back.

Weird how the government will prescribe opiates for years resulting in them becoming a drug addict, then cut people off cold turkey at the VA. Then, all the sudden, everyone hates them for taking a drug the doctor got them addicted to.

Its OK when they are addicted for years under the doctors care but when they pass a new law saying you cant prescribe pain meds without going before a board (like in FL) for every patient, every week, limit prescriptions to weekly amounts, etc.

[Jibartik]

The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent).

[Whale biologist]

The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent).

On average. (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/30/religious-people-more-likely-give-charity-study/) It skews that way because the religion amendment gives in-roads for the wealthy to legally do evil wealthy people stuff. So they're "religious". :rolleyes:

[Jibartik]

Sounds like rationalizing drug use and pornography addiction to me but ok :)