Torp Shaman solo challenges?

[greenspectre]

Just nabbed Torpor the other day and downed my first 2 cliff golems solo, had some snafu with one of the dragoons but got it done.

So now I'm curious what are interesting mobs or camps that are open to me to solo? I have some raid gear but nothing insane yet (see magelo). Was curious if anyone has anything like a scale of increasingly difficult things to try?

Thanks!

[Jibartik]

Efreeti is a good challenge, also Tranix is fun as a bonus, shamans should spend time in that mountain its like a spiritual journey quest for them to become the shaman king who sits on the mountain.

[Rathnir]

Grats on Torpor Lobnor! Glad to see you doin big things =)

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

This is a pretty good list to give you an idea - A few Chardok 2.0 Nameds are worth a look when they drop as well. If you try stuff in Seb Crypt be really cautious about preventing the Nameds from running. Vilefang is soloable, as well as a few other DN goodies. A few Hole nameds would be impressive that are not on that list.

[greenspectre]

Grats on Torpor Lobnor! Glad to see you doin big things =)

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

This is a pretty good list to give you an idea - A few Chardok 2.0 Nameds are worth a look when they drop as well. If you try stuff in Seb Crypt be really cautious about preventing the Nameds from running. Vilefang is soloable, as well as a few other DN goodies. A few Hole nameds would be impressive that are not on that list.

Ahh, had forgotten about this list!

The odd thing is some of the lesser mobs (Howling Stones specifically) would be harder to get to safely than the cliff golem I just killed. Still, this is a good list and I think a great place to start, thanks!

[greenspectre]

Efreeti is a good challenge, also Tranix is fun as a bonus, shamans should spend time in that mountain its like a spiritual journey quest for them to become the shaman king who sits on the mountain.

I've seen DSM's video of Tranix solo, that shit looks insane. Mostly because of the constant CC'ing. I had a dragoon add on my first cliff golem kill and the only way I could reasonably deal with it was zoning, then killing the dragoon solo first. Keeping 3+ giants rooted and parked while managing pet health and my health and mana seems like a lot, but its obviously possible.

[loramin]

A4 in Plane of Mischief is a nice challenge. First you have a couple of long but not too hard fights with the animals, then you have to figure out how to split the twins as a shaman, and then finally taking down 22 (without dying a million times) is also fun :)

Also glad to see the solo artist challenge mentioned again!

[Toxigen]

Drusella

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I've seen DSM's video of Tranix solo, that shit looks insane. Mostly because of the constant CC'ing. I had a dragoon add on my first cliff golem kill and the only way I could reasonably deal with it was zoning, then killing the dragoon solo first. Keeping 3+ giants rooted and parked while managing pet health and my health and mana seems like a lot, but its obviously possible.

Glad you liked the Tranix video:) Luckily the giant guards aren't always up (or if you have the timer you can kill them early). That video shows the worst scenario, where I didn't have the timer and everything was up lol.

Lots of good spots mentioned already. If you can get the timer Ayillish is a good one, but you should get good at killing the 4+ dragons and get used to pulling in WW before attempting it. I imagine Ayillish is much more camped on green, so I am not sure how feasible it is to attempt it atm.

I like chardok re-work as well, that is a good exercise in tight space fighting, but I don't think that is out yet on green.

[greenspectre]

Tried Ayillish duo with a druid today, almost got her but adds came and things spiraled from there. DSM you have any advice on pulling her to a safe spot?

[Danth]

Pulling to the shorelines (there are many places you can use) is usually a pretty good option in Western Wastes. If you have a druid with you then it should be running around casting harmony on anything that looks like it might path within aggro radius. Fighting in the Temple Veeshan valley is usually a bad idea due to roamers stopping by to say, "Hello!" Ayillish can be a tough pull since it's far from anywhere good to fight. On a sufficiently bad pull I've seen as many as 7 to 8 additional named dragons add in. Sometimes you have little option but to root or snare him and adds then camp aggro.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Tried Ayillish duo with a druid today, almost got her but adds came and things spiraled from there. DSM you have any advice on pulling her to a safe spot?

https://youtu.be/igpbLuNe0ls this is a video showing me pull Bravatar to shoreline. The spot I am killing Bravatar at is safe from roaming trash.

https://youtu.be/uEgFcImQ9XU This is the other safe spot I normally pull to, which never has issues with roamimg trash.

The Bravatar video shows you how to solo pull across the zone, and it will work the same for Ayillish. As Danth points out, since you have a druid friend it should be much easier with harmony support. Just don't let the dragon fall too far behind or it will leash back and de-agro you.

Edit: I call out those two specific safe spots because not all of the shoreline is safe. There are some areas where roamers path very close to the shoreline, and can agro you. I have had that happen.

[greenspectre]

https://youtu.be/igpbLuNe0ls this is a video showing me pull Bravatar to shoreline. The spot I am killing Bravatar at is safe from roaming trash.

https://youtu.be/uEgFcImQ9XU This is the other safe spot I normally pull to, which never has issues with roamimg trash.

The Bravatar video shows you how to solo pull across the zone, and it will work the same for Ayillish. As Danth points out, since you have a druid friend it should be much easier with harmony support. Just don't let the dragon fall too far behind or it will leash back and de-agro you.

Edit: I call out those two specific safe spots because not all of the shoreline is safe. There are some areas where roamers path very close to the shoreline, and can agro you. I have had that happen.

Thanks for these. We pulled to the same outcropping you killed Bravatar on this morning. Druid died twice during the pull, but sticking a snare made the difference, as I was able to Root/Camp adds and Ayillish stayed put till we got her solo.

What followed was then a 30-minute battle of attrition but we got her.

Question RE: Ayillish- does she ALWAYS top slot dispel? I kept my SoW clicky on, and occasionally refreshed bracer Ultravision but eventually she wore me down to just POTG despite me having started with 14 buffs. Druid used RotG clicky and DS glove clicky to keep me buffed to protect Torpor.

[Danth]

No, the standard West Wastes dragons can and do strip buff slots past the first. It isn't totally random like some cancel magic effects, however. If you can protect (through click effects or cheap rapid-cast buffs) about the first four slots you'll only very rarely lose anything beyond--and even then the major cause will be due buff order glitching out.

In the past on P1999 they used to remove top slot only. It was changed some years ago, but older guides might not have been updated, leading to possible confusion.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Thanks for these. We pulled to the same outcropping you killed Bravatar on this morning. Druid died twice during the pull, but sticking a snare made the difference, as I was able to Root/Camp adds and Ayillish stayed put till we got her solo.

What followed was then a 30-minute battle of attrition but we got her.

Question RE: Ayillish- does she ALWAYS top slot dispel? I kept my SoW clicky on, and occasionally refreshed bracer Ultravision but eventually she wore me down to just POTG despite me having started with 14 buffs. Druid used RotG clicky and DS glove clicky to keep me buffed to protect Torpor.

Congrats! Glad I could help:)

Danth is correct, dispel was changed some years ago, so dispel no longer always targets the first slot. Slots 1-4 are the most common buff slots dispelled, so that is where you want to keep your junk buffs. However, I have noticed some dispels do go after slot 5 and 6 more often (Chardok casters seem to be able to do this more frequently from my experience).

The problem is some mobs dispel A LOT, so they can quickly strip you of all your buffs if you aren't quickly re-applying junk buffs. I do distinctly remember Ayillish doing the same to me when I have fought her in the canyon. If she procs her AoE a lot you may have trouble keeping up your junk buffs. It is possible her dispel is a bit more powerful than the 4+ Dragons as well. It wouldn't surprise me.

[Jibartik]

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[greenspectre]

Congrats! Glad I could help:)

Danth is correct, dispel was changed some years ago, so dispel no longer always targets the first slot. Slots 1-4 are the most common buff slots dispelled, so that is where you want to keep your junk buffs. However, I have noticed some dispels do go after slot 5 and 6 more often (Chardok casters seem to be able to do this more frequently from my experience).

The problem is some mobs dispel A LOT, so they can quickly strip you of all your buffs if you aren't quickly re-applying junk buffs. I do distinctly remember Ayillish doing the same to me when I have fought her in the canyon. If she procs her AoE a lot you may have trouble keeping up your junk buffs. It is possible her dispel is a bit more powerful than the 4+ Dragons as well. It wouldn't surprise me.

This seems to hold true, as I duo'ed her with a bard yesterday, and even with the bard songs occupying stripped slots I still ended the fight with my buff bar looking like swiss cheese. On the bright side, I got the Talisman for my 46 monk so if I do this again, it's just for fun or to help a guildie :)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I realized I have the dispel behavior on video for Chardok. If you look here:

https://youtu.be/qS3uoIHTu_c?t=140

A few seconds later I get dispelled on my third and ninth slot. I think what may be happening is higher level mobs use something like Nullify or Annul Magic, which target two buffs instead of one. The first pass of the dispel hits slot 1-4, and then the second pass targets a slot lower down. I wouldn't be surprised if Ayillish has a two buff dispel. Since her dispel is a proc, it can happen a lot faster and more often than a standard caster since it doesn't have a cast time.

[greenspectre]

I realized I have the dispel behavior on video for Chardok. If you look here:

https://youtu.be/qS3uoIHTu_c?t=140

A few seconds later I get dispelled on my third and ninth slot. I think what may be happening is higher level mobs use something like Nullify or Annul Magic, which target two buffs instead of one. The first pass of the dispel hits slot 1-4, and then the second pass targets a slot lower down. I wouldn't be surprised if Ayillish has a two buff dispel. Since her dispel is a proc, it can happen a lot faster and more often than a standard caster since it doesn't have a cast time.

I see what you are talking about. I'm pretty sure your theory is correct and you're getting Nullified or Annuled there. So the key is to just have a bunch of random clicky junk buffs and play the RNG game with their dispels. Ayillish seems to be able to hit slot 1-4, with 1 and 2 being more common than 3 and 4. So the only way to truly safeguard your buffs vs her would be to have 4 insta-click junk buffs.

[Danth]

I realized I have the dispel behavior on video for Chardok. If you look here:

https://youtu.be/qS3uoIHTu_c?t=140

A few seconds later I get dispelled on my third and ninth slot. I think what may be happening is higher level mobs use something like Nullify or Annul Magic, which target two buffs instead of one. The first pass of the dispel hits slot 1-4, and then the second pass targets a slot lower down. I wouldn't be surprised if Ayillish has a two buff dispel. Since her dispel is a proc, it can happen a lot faster and more often than a standard caster since it doesn't have a cast time.

Ayillish has the exact same AE and single dispell as all the regular west wastes dragons. It hits a little more often because Ayillish himself is higher level than the weaker +4 dragons, but his effect is the same. Last time I fought him (just this past week) I lost absolutely no buffs except junk buffs--as usual. By far the largest cause of losing buffs beyond the first four will be either failure to re-apply a junk buff in time, or glitching buff order. Your client can and will de-synch with the host with respect to which order your buffs are in, and this happens more commonly if you're applying a new buff very rapidly after a different one fades (such as if a torpor lands immediately after a strip). Bard songs will *frequently* result in this type of glitching out. It can be fixed by removal of the offending buffs if you can identify them, or more easily by zoning or re-logging. Otherwise, once in a very great while--maybe once in every 20 or 25 dragon kills--I might lose a slot 5 spell.

Aiyllish's special (and other dragons using this same ability) is NOT a proc in the sense EQ players usually use the term. He can and does use it even when he is not engaged in direct melee. It's more of a no mana cost spell with no cast time. It has a wider radius than player spells but CAN be out-ranged while pulling him. Compare that to Ice Burrowers, whose own AE effect is indeed a melee proc and will never fire at all if they are not directly engaged in melee with a target.

Other types of cancel magic effects have different behaviors. Some still strip fixed slots while others remove slots seemingly at random. It varies with each individual effect and there's nothing to do about it except memorize as many as possible.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Ayillish has the exact same AE and single dispell as all the regular west wastes dragons. It hits a little more often because Ayillish himself is higher level than the weaker +4 dragons, but his effect is the same. Last time I fought him (just this past week) I lost absolutely no buffs except junk buffs--as usual. By far the largest cause of losing buffs beyond the first four will be either failure to re-apply a junk buff in time, or glitching buff order. Your client can and will de-synch with the host with respect to which order your buffs are in, and this happens more commonly if you're applying a new buff very rapidly after a different one fades (such as if a torpor lands immediately after a strip). Bard songs will *frequently* result in this type of glitching out. It can be fixed by removal of the offending buffs if you can identify them, or more easily by zoning or re-logging. Otherwise, once in a very great while--maybe once in every 20 or 25 dragon kills--I might lose a slot 5 spell.

Aiyllish's special (and other dragons using this same ability) is NOT a proc in the sense EQ players usually use the term. He can and does use it even when he is not engaged in direct melee. It's more of a no mana cost spell with no cast time. It has a wider radius than player spells but CAN be out-ranged while pulling him. Compare that to Ice Burrowers, whose own AE effect is indeed a melee proc and will never fire at all if they are not directly engaged in melee with a target.

Other types of cancel magic effects have different behaviors. Some still strip fixed slots while others remove slots seemingly at random. It varies with each individual effect and there's nothing to do about it except memorize as many as possible.

Danth

Yes I apologize, I shouldn't have said proc. I know it isn't a proc (the Ice Burrowers have a proc AoE, which means it cannot trigger while they aren't hitting you), whereas Dragon AoEs can trigger regardless. I think my brain said proc because I assume the AoE trigger rate is similar to how procs work when you are meleeing. They have an average trigger rate per minute, but RNG can make it happen more or less often. I may be wrong on that, but that has been my assumption.

When you are talking about the buff glitching, are you implying buffs can be out of order even if they appear in order on the client? I have seen my buffs re-arrange themselves when zoning, and I always re-apply them in the desired order when that occurs. It sounds like you are saying the client and server actually desync at some point while you are in a zone, and you can only determine this occurred by zoning. The process of zoning has the server send a fresh update to your buff order, and thus it gets updated on your client. That is really good to know if true, as I thought the buff re-arranging issue was a zoning specific problem, not a client-server desync issue.

I haven't fought Ayillish in a while, and I don't like killing her for fun if I don't have a friend/buyer/alt lined up for the 6+, so I was just guessing as to what her dispel is. I have had most of my buffs stripped before by Ayillish, but that was probably due to being unlucky and getting AoEed while casting spells. That is another problem with instant cast dispels, they are even more problematic when casting spells with long cast times like Epic click, as you cannot re-apply your junk buffs while casting unless you interrupt yourself.

[Jibartik]

deaths you are like the tecmos of shamans.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

deaths you are like the tecmos of shamans.

Lol I am not sure what you are talking about, never heard of tecmos. Is that a compliment, or an insult? :D

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Is this Tecmos? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkZSPYt5AYEE9Y-_FTW4HZg . If so, thanks!

[Jibartik]

I

Im at a loss how can you not have heard of tecmos lol

This is some legit shaman this guy spends a lot of time on the tundra.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I

Im at a loss how can you not have heard of tecmos lol

This is some legit shaman this guy spends a lot of time on the tundra.

LOL yes it is difficult to acquire information in the West Wastes. The lack of druid/wizard portals make it a remote location indeed, and word travels slow there. :D

[Danth]

When you are talking about the buff glitching, are you implying buffs can be out of order even if they appear in order on the client? I have seen my buffs re-arrange themselves when zoning, and I always re-apply them in the desired order when that occurs. It sounds like you are saying the client and server actually desync at some point while you are in a zone

Yes, precisely. This is why you sometimes see your buffs change order when you zone. Losing and re-applying different buffs rapidly appears to cause it. Bard songs are terrible for it since they're constantly changing and falling off.

In addition to fixing this slot de-synch by zoning you can sometimes clear it by removing all of the offending buffs if you can identify which ones are problems (or simply by removing all of them). I've managed to fix it mid-fight before on those west waste dragons, although other times it defies all efforts. This type of buff slot desynch is almost always going to be the cause when you keep losing something like slot 10 over and over on west waste dragons--because what looks like slot 10 on your screen is probably in slot 1 or 2 insofar as the host cares.

Danth