Comparing Fox, MSNBC, CNN Home Pages

[Castle2.0]

Interesting.

[robayon]

Wow, look at all these different flavors of propaganda

Better only concentrate on the instances of liberal propaganda for some reason

[Whale biologist]

Which one has cialis ads?

[Castle2.0]

Better only concentrate on the instances of liberal propaganda for some reason Good point, ape brain. I should remove Fox from the title next time.

[Gravydoo II]

THANKS GIVING CANCELLED?!?!!?!?! - FOX NEWS
https://i.postimg.cc/gLkn00ZY/cancelled.jpg (https://postimg.cc/gLkn00ZY)


oh my GAWD TODAY IS CANCELLED!!! TODAY IS CANCELLED! THE LIBERALS MADE THANKS GIVING GO AWAY!!

Btw, the native americans used to have a thanks giving feast 13 times a year.. white people came over, sat in on one, yep we invented this.

[realsubtle]

I tell ya. The ruling classes (a real medley of a crowd! anyone ruthless and sick enough can make it to the top nowadays, it's not just for WASPs anymore!), they must just laugh their heads off about all the social mayhem and division they create that doesn't affect them in their bubble, in their secluded transnational corridor lifestyles. They laugh as cities burn while the five-and-six-figure drones drool and consume readymade excuses about ungrateful poor people ruining everything.

All these skeptical conservatives and handwringing liberals weren't paying attention during Covid when a historically unprecedented upward transfer of wealth happened. They aren't paying attention as corporations buy up all the real estate and farmland in order to presumably consolidate even more supreme power. They'll turn on the TV and see some strawman of "the degenerate liberal" or "the moronic conservative" and ignore the man behind the curtain entirely, which pleases him completely, since the only thing that could possibly threaten the ruling class monopoly on rulership would be, yknow, widespread unity.

[Jibartik]

Wow, look at all these different flavors of propaganda

Better only concentrate on the instances of liberal propaganda for some reason

2 out of those 3 are liberal propaganda lol

Unless by liberal propaganda you mean actually helping people, but there is no such thing as anyone in America that does that that isn't a conservative that goes to church.

So I dont know if you mean them..

[Ooloo]

Wow, look at all these different flavors of propaganda

Better only concentrate on the instances of liberal propaganda for some reason

The thing is though FOX at least has on leftie nuts sometimes to debate things and actually offer some pushback to their narrative. The seventeen different leftie news networks are all interchangeable, they might as well all be the same thing. They never have on conservative guests to offer some pushback, it's always this big circle jerk of everyone confirming everyone else and covering their ears to any outside perspective.

I've said it a million times but the only one with any integrity is C-span. And it's boring as hell.

[realsubtle]

"actually offer some pushback to their narrative" You know damn well that's not why Fox News puts them on. They aren't there for a serious debate, they're setpieces for the protagonist show-hosts to easily trounce in order to create a narrative of superiority. All news media trot out moronic opposition strawmen to support their narrative, Fox is no exception.

People only believe that they are the exception because they have a sort of emotional connection to them, because it feels good to believe that they're correct and have pure intentions because you "feel they're on your side", which is a very deep and immersive fantasy that many people never wake up from, regardless of which team-color they wear.

[Jibartik]

My all time favorite thing about the 24 hour news cycle is that on the weekends, there is no new news lol!!!!

What a fuckin charade.

[robayon]

2 out of those 3 are liberal propaganda lol

Unless by liberal propaganda you mean actually helping people, but there is no such thing as anyone in America that does that that isn't a conservative that goes to church.

So I dont know if you mean them..I go to church, I help people, and I'm an anarchist of some kind

[Whale biologist]

I go to church, I help people, and I'm an anarchist of some kind

One god no masters? :confused:

[Ooloo]

"actually offer some pushback to their narrative" You know damn well that's not why Fox News puts them on. They aren't there for a serious debate, they're setpieces for the protagonist show-hosts to easily trounce in order to create a narrative of superiority. All news media trot out moronic opposition strawmen to support their narrative, Fox is no exception.

People only believe that they are the exception because they have a sort of emotional connection to them, because it feels good to believe that they're correct and have pure intentions because you "feel they're on your side", which is a very deep and immersive fantasy that many people never wake up from, regardless of which team-color they wear.

No, Fox hosts can actually accurately summarize the positions of the left wing people they criticize. The left wing hosts can't do the same thing, they have to lie to even have a show.

Fox certainly selectively edits things, chooses which stories to run, and magnifies issues based on a political agenda, no doubt, but I can't remember the last time an MSNBC roundtable had on a sensible conservative guest to actually give the other side in a fair way. It just never happens.

[unsunghero]

I called it days ago

CNN: Waukesha? What Waukesha? Oh that accidental car crash? Dawg, that some old shit

MSNBC: Waukesha? What Waukesha? Oh that accidental car crash? Dawg, that some old shit

Yahoo: Waukesha? What Waukesha? Oh that accidental car crash? Dawg, that some old shit

At least Fox is still talking about the ridiculous bail bond as their second story. I heard the “accidental car crash driver” has a new bond of $5,000,000 now. Wouldn’t it be ironic if some Hollywood celeb like Mark Ruffalo who had expressed support for the dead felons of Kenosha posts bond for this guy and he goes and runs over….sorry I mean accidentally crashes into….some more people, again? Would the the third time for him in 1 month. That would have to be some kind of record

[robayon]

The seventeen different leftie news networks are all interchangeable, they might as well all be the same thing. They never have on conservative guests to offer some pushbackThere's no mainstream leftist news network at all, they're all fundamentally conservative

Like Brian Williams calling missles being launched 'beautiful' on NBC back in 2017 or whatever

If a network ever celebrates July 4th, for example, it's obviously conservative, because it must not believe that America should be destroyed if it's celebrating July 4th

[robayon]

No, Fox hosts can actually accurately summarize the positions of the left wing people they criticize. The left wing hosts can't do the same thing, they have to lie to even have a show.I have yet to witness a single conservative, host of a show or Uncle Bill, who can accurately summarize any left wing beliefs whatsoever

This includes all the chuds on this forum

[Ooloo]

I called it days ago

CNN: Waukesha? What Waukesha? Oh that accidental car crash? Dawg, that some old shit

MSNBC: Waukesha? What Waukesha? Oh that accidental car crash? Dawg, that some old shit

Yahoo: Waukesha? What Waukesha? Oh that accidental car crash? Dawg, that some old shit

At least Fox is still talking about the ridiculous bail bond as their second story. I heard the “accidental car crash driver” has a new bond of $5,000,000 now. Wouldn’t it be ironic if some Hollywood celeb like Mark Ruffalo who had expressed support for the dead felons of Kenosha posts bond for this guy and he goes and runs over….sorry I mean accidentally crashes into….some more people, again? Would the the third time for him in 1 month. That would have to be some kind of record

Oh totally, we knew that was gonna happen. They were chomping at the bit for it to be a white guy, then it's a black dude with all kinds of BLM propaganda on his social media and it's immediately buried.

Seriously regardless of political affiliation, if you haven't figured out yet that all mainstream media selectively covers, amplifies and highlights stories along very specific ideological lines then I don't think you're ever gonna figure it out. Because they are making it as obvious as it can possibly be.

[Ooloo]

I have yet to witness a single conservative, host of a show or Uncle Bill, who can accurately summarize any left wing beliefs whatsoever

This includes all the chuds on this forum

Oh okay now I officially get it; you're a troll.

[unsunghero]

Oh totally, we knew that was gonna happen. They were chomping at the bit for it to be a white guy, then it's a black dude with all kinds of BLM propaganda on his social media and it's immediately buried.

Seriously regardless of political affiliation, if you haven't figured out yet that all mainstream media selectively covers, amplifies and highlights stories along very specific ideological lines then I don't think you're ever gonna figure it out. Because they are making it as obvious as it can possibly be.

I wonder had it been a white guy who expressed support for Proud Boys and Trump, how long it would be talked about by mainstream state run propaganda media? What are you calling? I say until the middle of next year. It would also be called white supremacy terrorism, and his social media history would be front and center

[robayon]

One god no masters? :confused:I don't really see God as the traditional creationist whatever, I personally see it largely as a force, and it's up to us to make ethical results out of life

The pastor of the church I go to likely sees things a bit differently, but it's also not a monotheistic church

[Ooloo]

I wonder had it been a white guy who expressed support for Proud Boys and Trump, how long it would be talked about by mainstream state run propaganda media? What are you calling? I say until the middle of next year. It would also be called white supremacy terrorism, and his social media history would be front and center

Oh my god, I'd say at least *five* years. A story like that would be the golden goose for lefty media.

They almost had that perfect storm with dylan roof; white psycho goes into black church and kills a ton of people. And then the cops bought him BURGER KING!!! They didn't even shoot him! If he had been black, yada yada yada...

Actually, the cops didn't shoot him because he immediately surrendered. They "bought him burger king" because they literally have to feed all prisoners, regardless of their crime. They didn't like take him to the burger king drive-thru in their police car, they chucked him in a prison cell and then later brought him a bag of burger king for his mandatory meal because it's cheap as shit. If they hadn't fed him, Roof's lawyers would have been able to argue that their client's constitutional rights were violated. You have to feed prisoners.

But the media spun that as some kind of racist white supremacist boys club where the cops were HAPPY that he killed black people and they were rewarding him with burger king and treating him kindly because he was white. Total bullshit and millions of people believe it.

[Jibartik]

I go to church, I help people, and I'm an anarchist of some kind

I told you you'd make it to the caves! see you in the caves, you wont be out in 90 days, youll make it to the caves.

[bubur]

I have yet to witness a single conservative, host of a show or Uncle Bill, who can accurately summarize any left wing beliefs whatsoever

This includes all the chuds on this forum

tbh, i've had yet to see one lefty on this forum summarize their beliefs

so you hate trump and fox and half of the people that live in this country, but what do you actually want biden to do

[robayon]

Oh okay now I officially get it; you're a troll.Don't get mad at me because you don't understand, listen carefully to someone to the left of you next time you have a chance

And also realize that people rarely explain themselves perfectly, this probably colors my own low opinions of conservatives who can't seem to think about stuff outside of their acceptable range ideas without getting mad as all hell

[Jibartik]

tbh, i've had yet to see one lefty on this forum summarize their beliefs

so you hate trump and fox and half of the people that live in this country, but what do you actually want biden to do

oh me me!

not be left version of trump

[bubur]

listen carefully to someone to the left

i'd love to but it's hard to get passed the name calling and banter about current events sometimes

i would bet the things they actually want aren't much different from conservatives at all

wish i knew, but that feeling passes. on the count of all the name calling and banter about current events

[Gravydoo II]

Weird how the guys on the right were making jokes about Heather Heyer during unite the right... Now all the sudden, they are SOOOOOOO outraged by this. Really weird.. almost like they intentionally deny the connection to right wing media and violence.

The organization that says "stop shooting us" is a terrorist organization to you guys but when actual nazis invaded a town a killed a girl with a car you were saying she died of a heart attack. You've been banned to many times, nobody can tell whos whos, but you're out there.

We get it. White man does it, not bad. Black man does it, all black people are to blame, BLM did it, anyone who ever wore a black shirt did it. We get it.

[robayon]

tbh, i've had yet to see one lefty on this forum summarize their beliefs

so you hate trump and fox and half of the people that live in this country, but what do you actually want biden to doI haven't been on this forum all that long, but speaking for myself nobody has asked me to do so.

I don't hate anyone, don't assume that. I want Biden to resign. And Kamala, and most elected officials at the federal and state level. I want national referendums on things like funding the military and the police, and actual democratic elections - not these gerrymandered pretend elections we have. When I say "America must be destroyed" I do not mean dropping a giant bomb on it and killing all of us, I mean it must be metaphorically bulldozed and rebuilt

And lastly, once it has been rebuilt, America should commit its resources to helping the developing world it has exploited since its inception.

Hell, I wouldn't even have a problem with it keeping the capitalist system as long as it was being done in an ethical way, but I don't think that's really possible because I suspect it will always corrupt itself

[bubur]

Weird how the guys on the right were making jokes about Heather Heyer during unite the right... Now all the sudden, they are SOOOOOOO outraged by this. Really weird.. almost like they intentionally deny the connection to right wing media and violence.

The organization that says "stop shooting us" is a terrorist organization to you guys but when actual nazis invaded a town a killed a girl with a car you were saying she died of a heart attack. You've been banned to many times, nobody can tell whos whos, but you're out there.

We get it. White man does it, not bad. Black man does it, all black people are to blame, BLM did it, anyone who ever wore a black shirt did it. We get it.

take this guy for instance

i dont know who or what in the fuck he is referring to

what do you want?

[bubur]

I haven't been on this forum all that long, but speaking for myself nobody has asked me to do so.

I don't hate anyone, don't assume that. I want Biden to resign. And Kamala, and most elected officials at the federal and state level. I want national referendums on things like funding the military and the police, and actual democratic elections - not these gerrymandered pretend elections we have. When I say "America must be destroyed" I do not mean dropping a giant bomb on it and killing all of us, I mean it must be metaphorically bulldozed and rebuilt

And lastly, once it has been rebuilt, America should commit its resources to helping the developing world it has exploited since its inception.

Hell, I wouldn't even have a problem with it keeping the capitalist system as long as it was being done in an ethical way, but I don't think that's really possible because I suspect it will always corrupt itself

that's the crazy thing i learned about browsing lefty reddit like dankleft after horza posted a bunch of stuff from there

our views are, in some cases, completely aligned. it's wild

[Whale biologist]

that's the crazy thing i learned about browsing lefty reddit like dankleft after horza posted a bunch of stuff from there

our views are, in some cases, completely aligned. it's wild

Populists like dumb things, 'tis true.

[unsunghero]

Oh my god, I'd say at least *five* years. A story like that would be the golden goose for lefty media.

They almost had that perfect storm with dylan roof; white psycho goes into black church and kills a ton of people. And then the cops bought him BURGER KING!!! They didn't even shoot him! If he had been black, yada yada yada...

Actually, the cops didn't shoot him because he immediately surrendered. They "bought him burger king" because they literally have to feed all prisoners, regardless of their crime. They didn't like take him to the burger king drive-thru in their police car, they chucked him in a prison cell and then later brought him a bag of burger king for his mandatory meal because it's cheap as shit. If they hadn't fed him, Roof's lawyers would have been able to argue that their client's constitutional rights were violated. You have to feed prisoners.

But the media spun that as some kind of racist white supremacist boys club where the cops were HAPPY that he killed black people and they were rewarding him with burger king and treating him kindly because he was white. Total bullshit and millions of people believe it.

I didn’t hear that about Dylan

I do remember two mainstream propaganda talking points after Kyle’s trial: 1. Judicial system protects white defendants

Which was total bullshit propaganda since Ahmaud’s killers were white and found guilty

And 2. Had Kyle been black he woulda been found guilty

Which is ironic because a trial no one heard about was for a black dude who shot at a swat team raiding his home because he was selling drugs, and they ANNOUNCED they were police. He shot at them anyway, claimed self-defense, and was found not guilty of trying to kill a police officer:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jury-acquits-gifford-man-claimed-195415308.html

Mainstream media won’t talk about it because he black and as we all know all black men who shoot at police are either killed immediately or found guilty of attempted murder

Except he wasn’t. So DOWN THE MEMORY HOLE IT GOES

[bubur]

Populists like dumb things, 'tis true.

that's an interesting way to put it. guess i'm just dumb then for wanting to find common ground

i wonder what the smart person alternative is. could you show me?

[robayon]

that's the crazy thing i learned about browsing lefty reddit like dankleft after horza posted a bunch of stuff from there

our views are, in some cases, completely aligned. it's wildSome folks claim it's the horseshoe theory, where if you go far enough to the left or the right on the spectrum, you end up meeting the people you're supposedly diametrically opposed to... I don't really buy it, even if I do sometimes ridicule liberals with the chuds.

Take Strasserites, for example. I may be an anti-capitalist but I'm not going to sit at the same table as one of those monsters.

"The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them." - Julius Nyerere

[Whale biologist]

that's an interesting way to put it. guess i'm just dumb then for wanting to find common ground

i wonder what the smart person alternative is. could you show me?

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/trips_e/pharmpatent_e.htm

[Gravydoo II]

We all want the same shit.

Thing is, when our government gives those HUGE tax breaks to companies to open a factory there, you're basically paying for them to open it there. All the shit thats left fucked up in your county, all the under staffed places, shit roads, poor facilities, shit emergency response services, on and on. All those failings are because they opted to PAY the company with your money to open up there and pretend to give you good paying jobs. Over the years, that lack of revenue catches up. The walmart distribution center has what is basically a dirt road up to its docks. It was asphalt, now its just crumblies and holes that has to be graded every few weeks. The county cant afford to pave it again because of the tax break they gave walmart. Now we all suffer because those semis destroy the roads leading to and from the distro center.

Just a lil example of what we want to stop.

[unsunghero]

Another example of the Judicial system treating black and white people differently is the case of the black teen who shot at other peers and a teacher at school in Texas

He gets charged with aggravated assault, Kyle gets charged with murder and attempted murder

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1280920

GOLLY GEE, that’s weird, I thought black people get the worst charges in our judicial system? It’s almost like all this bullshit we’ve been fed by media is propaganda lies!

[bubur]

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/trips_e/pharmpatent_e.htm

if i go ahead and read and learn about this and come out the other end without any new non-populist ideas im never speaking to u again whale guy

[Whale biologist]

We all want the same shit.

Thing is, when our government gives those HUGE tax breaks to companies to open a factory there, you're basically paying for them to open it there. All the shit thats left fucked up in your county, all the under staffed places, shit roads, poor facilities, shit emergency response services, on and on. All those failings are because they opted to PAY the company with your money to open up there and pretend to give you good paying jobs. Over the years, that lack of revenue catches up. The walmart distribution center has what is basically a dirt road up to its docks. It was asphalt, now its just crumblies and holes that has to be graded every few weeks. The county cant afford to pave it again because of the tax break they gave walmart. Now we all suffer because those semis destroy the roads leading to and from the distro center.

Just a lil example of what we want to stop.

the road maintenance funding comes from taxes drawn from the wages of the workers the factory employs.

plus it makes stuff, which is nice.

[Gravydoo II]

So black people are not prosecuted more harshly, more often, than white people?? Weird.. Cause the numbers dont show that.

Police patrol white neighborhoods like they do black ones? They pull over white people like minorities? Its really weird how the numbers always shake out differently..

Why do they hide the race of the people they pull over many times? Almost like, if they recorded it, it would show bias.. Whats really weird is the places that do record it, ohhh... its not good. https://sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/06/racial_disparities_traffic_stops.php

Dohhh.... I mean, how does someone explain that? So like anything, we can assume if its happening here, its happening everywhere? I would.. seeing as how it is.

[robayon]

YOU CAN'T CUT BACK ON FUNDING! YOU WILL REGRET THIS!

[unsunghero]

Why do they hide the race of the people they pull over many times? Almost like, if they recorded it, it would show bias.

To my knowledge they only do this in liberal cities such as San Fran whose police are most likely also liberal

https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-arrests-ca-state-wire-crime-fc93f552c97364fa1fd502c2c621a62f

And the reason they do it is because they don’t want to show how most crimes there are committed by black people

They even mention the reason right in the article: “to stop perpetuating racial stereotypes”

But it’s weird, I watched the videos of the mass looting in high end clothing stores there and it was mostly black people. Is San Fran mostly black?

[Jibartik]

if I was dictator I would change the freedom of the press to be something like, the rights of the people to have the freedom of information or something, so we and the press wouldn't consider themselves to be so friggen precious. But the press or anyone would still be able to have access to the shit the press is supposed to be informing us about.

[Gravydoo II]

the road maintenance funding comes from taxes drawn from the wages of the workers the factory employs.

plus it makes stuff, which is nice.

It doesnt make anything. Its just a place boxes a taken off one truck, like 70 washers, then distributed by truck to other 7 stores in the area. They dont make anything at all besides waste and pollution.

Walmart should pay for the roads they use more than everyone else. Employee uses the road twice a day. The company uses the road 24/7, trucks backed up at the docks and shit. They could have simply said "no" and taxed them like they do every other business in the area. They said "yes" and got some bribes i mean campaign contributions, probably some gift cards and shit, and a plaque on the building. The concrete company up the street didnt get a deal like that.. The funny thing is, there is a paving company on the same street. Their parking lot is immaculate, not a hole anywhere, cause they can be sued for that. They called a paving company from out of town to do that, too.

Same thing with a tractor the county had to buy. They could have gotten it from the local john deere. They went out of town, got some kubota or some shit. Now when it breaks down, it costs more money to ship it out of the county to the dealership to get it fixed. Gee, I wonder why they did that... Tired of that shit. Theres one tractor dealer, buy it from them. Its not like they were picking favorites. It starts at your local BOCC.

[Whale biologist]

To my knowledge they only do this in liberal cities such as San Fran whose police are most likely also liberal

https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-arrests-ca-state-wire-crime-fc93f552c97364fa1fd502c2c621a62f

And the reason they do it is because they don’t want to show how most crimes there are committed by black people

They even mention the reason right in the article: “to stop perpetuating racial stereotypes”

But it’s weird, I watched the videos of the mass looting in high end clothing stores there and it was mostly black people. Is San Fran mostly black?

the racial angle isn't a winner for you.

[unsunghero]

But yes two things can be true at once:

Black people commit more crime per capita of population than white people

And also, black people are over-policed

Both are true at the same time


Edit: the thing that Democrats and Republicans disagree on is that Democrats claim the reason that there are more black crimes per capita of population is DUE to over-policing. And Republicans claim that over-policing is DUE to a population that commits more crimes per capita. So it’s the eternal chicken or the egg argument

[Ooloo]

So black people are not prosecuted more harshly, more often, than white people?? Weird.. Cause the numbers dont show that.

Police patrol white neighborhoods like they do black ones? They pull over white people like minorities? Its really weird how the numbers always shake out differently..

Why do they hide the race of the people they pull over many times? Almost like, if they recorded it, it would show bias.. Whats really weird is the places that do record it, ohhh... its not good. https://sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/06/racial_disparities_traffic_stops.php

Dohhh.... I mean, how does someone explain that? So like anything, we can assume if its happening here, its happening everywhere? I would.. seeing as how it is.

The numbers also show that the criminal justice system is highly sexist, considering that about 93% of all inmates are males? Do you agree with that simple analysis?

Young black males commit far more crime than any other demographic in the united states. This is simply a fact, and explains these disparities far easier than any convoluted conspiratorial notion about how the cops are all super secret racists.

[Gravydoo II]

To my knowledge they only do this in liberal cities such as San Fran whose police are most likely also liberal

https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-arrests-ca-state-wire-crime-fc93f552c97364fa1fd502c2c621a62f

And the reason they do it is because they don’t want to show how most crimes there are committed by black people

They even mention the reason right in the article: “to stop perpetuating racial stereotypes”


WOW. Thats the most racist thing you've ever said. You think enforcement is the same thing as crime rate...?

You just said it. "most crimes" are not committed by 14% of the population of the USA. You're saying that 14% of the population is responsible for over 50% of the crime in the USA. I see a shadow on you. Its in the shape of a hammer.

Those beliefs you have are the definition of racism. You're wrong, for one. Look how STUPID that is when you math it out. 14% does over 50%.. you said "most crimes" so you mean more than 50%, too. Like 80%, in your mind.

[unsunghero]

WOW. Thats the most racist thing you've ever said. You think enforcement is the same thing as crime rate...?

You just said it. "most crimes" are not committed by 14% of the population of the USA. You're saying that 14% of the population is responsible for over 50% of the crime in the USA. I see a shadow on you. Its in the shape of a hammer.

Those beliefs you have are the definition of racism. You're wrong, for one. Look how STUPID that is when you math it out. 14% does over 50%.. you said "most crimes" so you mean more than 50%, too. Like 80%, in your mind.

Black people have a higher representation than white people when normalized for population size yes, that’s just a fact, if you want to call it racist be my guest

But it’s true regardless. White people commit more crimes overall, but there are many times more white people in the USA. When normalized for population size, they are under-represented while black people are over-represented

[Gravydoo II]

Is anyone else grinning at how easily they removed their hoods?

[unsunghero]

Is anyone else grinning at how easily they removed their hoods?

Once again, the only claim you can make is that their over-representation is due to over-policing, which I already addressed:

“the thing that Democrats and Republicans disagree on is that Democrats claim the reason that there are more black crimes per capita of population is DUE to over-policing. And Republicans claim that over-policing is DUE to a population that commits more crimes per capita. So it’s the eternal chicken or the egg argument”

[Gravydoo II]

Dude, its too late. You let the cat out of the bag. You cant pickup a fumble when the football is RACISM.

[unsunghero]

Dude, its too late. You let the cat out of the bag. You cant pickup a fumble when the football is RACISM.

I mean, it’s simple statistics. Can’t believe it’s news to you

Took 2 seconds to locate more evidence on Google

“It’s true that around 13 per cent of Americans are black, according to the latest estimates from the US Census Bureau.

And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.

Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

Clearly, these figures are problematic. We’re talking about arrests not convictions, and high black arrest rates could be taken as evidence that police are racist”

Source: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

See? Holy shit my point was the paragraph and your point was the bolded part, which again, I already addressed

[Ooloo]

Gravy confirmed trolltard; one who is either trolling on purpose, or that stupid by accident.

[unsunghero]

Gravy confirmed trolltard; one who is either trolling on purpose, or that stupid by accident.

STATISTICS ARE RACIST

[robayon]

So it’s the eternal chicken or the egg argumentNobody seems to be asking why a given population supposedly commits more crimes per capita here

[unsunghero]

Nobody seems to be asking why a given population supposedly commits more crimes per capita here

Once again, Gravy will claim it’s due to over-policing. And I will claim it’s due to other things which I’m not going to get into now

Hard to prove who is right. Probably a mixture of both

[robayon]

Once again, Gravy will claim it’s due to over-policing. And I will claim it’s due to other things which I’m not going to get into nowI wish that you would get in to it now, it would be very informative and I have to start cooking potatoes soon.

[robayon]

Young black males commit far more crime than any other demographic in the united states.For argument's sake, let's say I accept this as true

Why do you think it's the case? Unsunghero doesn't want to get into it right now, let's hope you have the time

[Elizondo]

For argument's sake, let's say I accept this as true

Why do you think it's the case? Unsunghero doesn't want to get into it right now, let's hope you have the time

No fathers in the home

[Gravydoo II]

If I dont agree, it didnt happen. Unless he was convicted, it didnt happen. 26 accusations is all fake news, made up. - the right discussing rape daddy and their favorite politicians.

black people commit more crimes than white people per capita, police are always fair and godly in their duties. They are never biased, never racist, and do not have a culture of going after the powerless and poor over everyone else. He shouldnt have talked back. - the right discussing black people.

[unsunghero]

I wish that you would get in to it now, it would be very informative and I have to start cooking potatoes soon.

Can’t, driving to thanksgiving party. Luckily don’t have to worry about the cooking, just the eating :)

[robayon]

No fathers in the homeHi Elizondo, it's great to see you not deflecting stuff with humor! Keep it up!

Is that the case with every single person who commits a crime?

If not every one, how many?

What's the origin of the crime from people who did have fathers in the home?

Also, why are there supposedly fewer fathers in the home, you think?

[Ooloo]

Once again, Gravy will claim it’s due to over-policing. And I will claim it’s due to other things which I’m not going to get into now

Hard to prove who is right. Probably a mixture of both

The funny thing is that the lefty cult always wants to have it both ways;

Q: Why are more black men in jail? A: Over-policing of black neighborhoods, because police are racist.

Q: Why is there such a high homicide rate in black neighborhoods? A: Because police are racist and don't care about black people so they ignore their neighborhoods and their cases

[Elizondo]

Hi Elizondo, it's great to see you not deflecting stuff with humor! Keep it up!

Is that the case with every single person who commits a crime?

If not every one, how many?

What's the origin of the crime from people who did have fathers in the home?

Also, why are there supposedly fewer fathers in the home, you think?

What percentage of young black males are raised in a fatherless household?

[Horza]

Why does everything always come back to a not particularly subtle fetish for black men with you Trumptards?

[Jibartik]

Hi Elizondo, it's great to see you not deflecting stuff with humor! Keep it up!

u got a prlbem with chandler!?

[robayon]

The funny thing is that the lefty cult always wants to have it both waysYou're confusing the liberals with the left again, but putting that aside

Why do you think that black populations supposedly commit more crimes than average?

[Jibartik]

Why does everything always come back to a not particularly subtle fetish for black men with you Trumptards?

oh that one is easy, because democratic welfare policy has destroyed their family unit and created the greatest prison epidemics in history.

[robayon]

What percentage of young black males are raised in a fatherless household?Answer my other questions and I will be happy to Google this easily accessible statistic on your behalf

[robayon]

u got a prlbem with chandler!?Nah, he's just transparent to me

[Jibartik]

ok becuase he's my favorite friend.

[Nocht]

Wow, look at all these different flavors of propaganda

Better only concentrate on the instances of liberal propaganda for some reason

It's almost like one side is responsible for dividing the whole country, burning cities to the ground, ruining lives, and the rampant spread of mental illness.

But please continue playing devil's advocate mr forum contrarian snarky monkey man.

[Jibartik]

If by side you mean the beast, which both the democratic and republican parties are a part of, and all news media.

:o

[robayon]

It's almost like one side is responsible for dividing the whole country, burning cities to the ground, ruining lives, and the rampant spread of mental illness.

But please continue playing devil's advocate mr forum contrarian snarky monkey man.If that side is the side of capitalism itself, then I completely agree, there's only really one political party in the United States

Funny that you'd say "Devil's Advocate" because there's a great quote in that movie on this very type of issue: "And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, fuckin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!"

[Jibartik]

Another invention of the beast. :o

[Whale biologist]

If by side you mean the beast, which both the democratic and republican parties are a part of, and all news media.

:o

What's the sci Fi story where it's like 'the round beast' vs the large? beast

[Elizondo]

Answer my other questions and I will be happy to Google this easily accessible statistic on your behalf

my question answered all your questions bro

[robayon]

my question answered all your questions broIt's not an Elizondo post without a visibly uncomfortable squirm to dodge the truth

Never change, my shining star, stay afraid of information that challenges your worldview like man's man

[Elizondo]

It's not an Elizondo post without a visibly uncomfortable squirm to dodge the truth

Never change, my shining star, stay afraid of information that challenges your worldview like man's man

lol dude

you takin elf forums way to seriously. sorry you pass out brochures for a living

[robayon]

lol dude

you takin elf forums way to seriously. sorry you pass out brochures for a livingThere's that flippancy again, I'm sure you're very unserious about these forums too. I thought I worked at Starbucks

[Elizondo]

There's that flippancy again, I'm sure you're very unserious about these forums too. I thought I worked at Starbucks

now you doin what you accuse me of doin

never said you worked at starbucks. i said the crazy you type on elf forums is like the purple haired psuedos that sit around starbucks. you took that as a cue to tell us your life story

sorry you angry all the time man. be happy

[Jibartik]

I haven't heard 1 conservative except libtard me complain about the Aubrey verdict lol

[Knowledge]

You forgot yahoo, 100% liberal propaganda

[Horza]

Do these stinking libs even watch Tucker?

[Jibartik]

I mean 7% of journalists are republican. You know why? because journalists are complainers and democrats are mostly just complainers. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/just-7-percent-of-journalists-are-republicans-thats-far-less-than-even-a-decade-ago/)

[robayon]

I haven't heard 1 conservative except libtard me complain about the Aubrey verdict lolMost are wise enough to avoid subjects that expose their bigotry, until they're behind closed doors anyways

It's the same reason they constantly whine about 'cancel culture' despite being the largest advocates for censorship and deplatforming

[Jibartik]

could be.

could be.

difficult to speak against the beast.

despite being the largest advocates for censorship and deplatforming

you dont have to convince me that the libs act like the old evangelical republicans :o two sides of the same coin.

[Ooloo]

Most are wise enough to avoid subjects that expose their bigotry, until they're behind closed doors anyways

It's the same reason they constantly whine about 'cancel culture' despite being the largest advocates for censorship and deplatforming

Are you some kind of AI that just generates completely, totally wrong posts?

[Jibartik]

Are you some kind of AI that just generates completely, totally wrong posts?

the right or wrongness of his posts I cannot comment on but he is most likely some kind of AI, like you and I are, self replicating and designed to spread throughout the universe sending recordings back to our home planet while we sleep where they seem garbled and mixed up to us and we call them dreams.

[robayon]

Are you some kind of AI that just generates completely, totally wrong posts?Nope

Conservatives love cancel culture, they just don't like it when it is applied to people on their "team" or refer to it in those exact terns

Take, say, a certain quarterback in the NFL kneeling for the national anthem some years back and the millions of blown gaskets all that caused

Hypocrisy

[Gravydoo II]

If that side is the side of capitalism itself, then I completely agree, there's only really one political party in the United States

Funny that you'd say "Devil's Advocate" because there's a great quote in that movie on this very type of issue: "And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, fuckin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!"

I can hear him saying it.

[Jibartik]

Nope

Conservatives love cancel culture, they just don't like it when it is applied to people on their "team" or refer to it in those exact terns

Take, say, a certain quarterback in the NFL kneeling for the national anthem some years back and the millions of blown gaskets all that caused

Hypocrisy

I hate cancel culture the cosby show is the shit and still a better roll model than anyone else.

edit: unless by cancel culture you mean lets burn down the planet in a giant war im down with that.

happy thanksgiving

[Elizondo]

Nope

Conservatives love cancel culture, they just don't like it when it is applied to people on their "team" or refer to it in those exact terns

Take, say, a certain quarterback in the NFL kneeling for the national anthem some years back and the millions of blown gaskets all that caused

Hypocrisy

that qb was washed up tho and was just virtue signaling to have income after he was cut from the team

cheap way to do it. he knew dishonoring the flag and anthem would have dems running to embrace him and put money in his pocket

[robayon]

lmao, tie yourself into knots to justify conservative cancellation of Colin Kaepernick if you want, buddy, it's just a single example of many

[Elizondo]

lmao, tie yourself into knots to justify conservative cancellation of Colin Kaepernick if you want, buddy, it's just a single example of many

peeps just didn't want to be a fan anymore cuz sports are supposed to be about competition, not dem virtue signaling

dude is richer now then when he was a bad qb

how he get canceled?

[Homesteaded]

Guy is rejected by the ultimate meritocracy. Athletic endeavors. Blames racism in a league dominated by his own race. Compares paying athletes obscene salaries to slavery. Imagine.

[robayon]

I see he's still got you guys riled up

McCarthyism, imprisonment and murder of Black Panthers, outright murder of various civil rights leaders, modern laws designed to curb protests, the 1619 project

It's hard to track the true quantity of conservative cancellations, which often involve violence

[Castle2.0]

Guy is rejected by the ultimate meritocracy. Athletic endeavors. Blames racism in a league dominated by his own race. Compares paying athletes obscene salaries to slavery. Imagine.

[Toehammer]

I see he's still got you guys riled up

McCarthyism, imprisonment and murder of Black Panthers, outright murder of various civil rights leaders, modern laws designed to curb protests, the 1619 project

It's hard to track the true quantity of conservative cancellations, which often involve violence

1619 project hahahahahahahahaha, even the creator backtracks on her bs when called out on it... you are entering Horza land, tread lightly

1619 project got as much right as The Flintstones!

[Whale biologist]

They also cancelled Ben and Jerrys though, which is good.

[Homesteaded]

You do know that McCarthy was correct right? Look into it.

[Whale biologist]

You do know that McCarthy was correct right? Look into it.

Eh, he only got 1 ring from Rodgers' whole career, so I wouldn't say so. He's a bungler and near worst in the league at managing the clock. Lost yesterday too, an ignominious deed for the Dallas Cowboys and therefore America.

[robayon]

Pathetically uninformed conservative responses ITT when they just cannot come up with an explanation for why conservatives absolutely love cancellation of ideas and people

[unsunghero]

They also cancelled Ben and Jerrys though, which is good.

You know you read it in Forest’s voice

[robayon]

You do know that McCarthy was correct right? Look into it.So was Chairman Mao, at least insofar as landlords. Look into it.

[realsubtle]

You do realize that Austin Powers was right? Having sex actually is a lot of fun, and it feels good to live a free and easygoing lifestyle.

[Ooloo]

Pathetically uninformed conservative responses ITT when they just cannot come up with an explanation for why conservatives absolutely love cancellation of ideas and people

Cancelling some ideas is good. Cancelling nazi ism is good, cancelling communism is good. In a free country you can still larp as a nazi or a communist all you want though. And no, conservatives frequently point out that no matter how stupid they think liberals are, they don't want them kicked off social media or college speaking gigs. We find those ideas genuinely dangerous, but want them to be exposed to the light of day and debated. This is precisely what lefty nuts refuse to do, and is where the term "cancel" comes from.

[Elizondo]

So was Chairman Mao, at least insofar as landlords. Look into it.

dude murdered millions of peepz but he right about landlords guyz

[Whale biologist]

dude murdered millions of peepz but he right about landlords guyz

Kitty cats do the same thing as he did to birbs.

"Mao" indeed you furry red menace!

[Ooloo]

I for real knew a girl with a cat named chairman meow

[robayon]

Cancelling some ideas is good. Cancelling nazi ism is good, cancelling communism is good. In a free country you can still larp as a nazi or a communist all you want though. And no, conservatives frequently point out that no matter how stupid they think liberals are, they don't want them kicked off social media or college speaking gigs. We find those ideas genuinely dangerous, but want them to be exposed to the light of day and debated. This is precisely what lefty nuts refuse to do, and is where the term "cancel" comes from.Horseshit, when you fellas literally kill people all the time for their ideas. Now we're twisting into "conservatives don't cancel" to "some cancellation is good", okay

Or does that not count because it happens in other countries and is committed by the CIA or paramilitary squads on their payroll

In before someone hilariously tries to say the CIA is not guided by conservative principles

[robayon]

dude murdered millions of peepz but he right about landlords guyzI'm just responding to Homesteaded's idiotic post with an equally idiotic post :p

You know, meeting you guys on your level and all that, since you can't seem to come up with any actual rebuttals

[Homesteaded]

Chairman Mao and McCarthyism…totally the same. You’re a psycho.

One man is responsible for millions of unjust deaths.

The other was rail roaded for rooting out enemies of the state. Which we now know he was right, there are communists in power today and there was back then.

Lefties love to talk about the right not knowing history. Yet here we are having to explain that communism resulted in the murder of 4 times that of the Holocaust. But it’s still cool to wear hammer and sickle shirts and talk smart about why communism is the answer.

Fuck the left and it’s bullshit.

[Jibartik]

somehow communism works if it's a global communist party.

I dont get how that makes sense because sustainability with large data sets is communisms Achilles heel, but the smartest programmers in the tech industry (progressives) tell me it's true and racist to think otherwise.

[Whale biologist]

Chairman Mao and McCarthyism…totally the same. You’re a psycho.

One man is responsible for millions of unjust deaths.

The other was rail roaded for rooting out enemies of the state. Which we now know he was right, there are communists in power today and there was back then.

Lefties love to talk about the right not knowing history. Yet here we are having to explain that communism resulted in the murder of 4 times that of the Holocaust. But it’s still cool to wear hammer and sickle shirts and talk smart about why communism is the answer.

Fuck the left and it’s bullshit.

Was McCarthyism contemporaneous to the AFL-CIO expelling the non-compliant unions? :confused:

[robayon]

Fuck the left and it’s bullshit.

That's great, buddy, I'm not a communist, I know you're very emotional rn but none of it is a successful rebuttal to the point

Conservatives love cancelling people, and all of their whining about cancel culture is just another example of their hypocrisy

[Jibartik]

lets list the people conservatives care about that got cancled that I care about:

lets list the people democrats care about that got cancled that I care about:

lck
JK rowling
cosby show
chris pratt
Roseanne Barr
Graham Linehan
TJ Miller
I could go on and on literally for hundreds of comedians who did nothing relating to politics.

One of the BIGGEST difference between conservative/democrat cancel culture is this:

Democrats cancel people that they took a joke out of context or an allegation.

Republicans ignore people who bring politics into art and sports.

It's not cancel culture, it's not liking people who wont shut the fuck up about politics, like everyone who doesn't post ITT hates all of us.

We're not canceled by the other p99, they just dont like us bringing politics into the game so the avoid us like the plague.

That's why kapernick failed, because he was bad at football and was annoying so people avoided him like they did covid.

There, we can put the democrat/conservative cancel culture petty argument to be and get back to talking about how they are the same armies of the same beast that will devower you all.

[Whale biologist]

That's why kapernick failed, because he was bad at football and was annoying

https://i.imgur.com/8gHmsVC.png

(During floods or hurricane I forget)

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/8gHmsVC.png

(During floods or hurricane I forget)

this guy bought a dog and years later found out it was a turtle.

[Knowledge]

Colin works for the National Weather Service now?

[robayon]

Colin works for the National Weather Service now?The Weather Underground? Hell yeah Colin that's cool as hell, hadn't heard but I love it

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/hf1FSrJ.jpg

[robayon]

They shouldn't have a headline like that unless the presenter of said headline can show the audience their own awesome dance moves, smdh

[Horza]

their own awesome dance moves

https://i.imgur.com/Nn8OH6g.gif

[Whale biologist]

https://i.imgur.com/Nn8OH6g.gif

https://i.imgur.com/ife5UjK.gif

[Ooloo]

Look at how glorious both of those men are

[robayon]

Sometimes you just gotta ask out the hottest guy in the room, the answer is always no if you never ask

[Homesteaded]

Confidence is the only requirement for being a good dancer.

[Ooloo]

As if anything is on the line for Trump in that moment; "Gee, I already became insanely rich by accident, married a hot woman who barely speaks my language by accident, became a household reality TV show host by accident, and then literally became the actual Leader of the free world by accident- fuck it check out my dad dance. You know you want it."

[Horza]

As if anything is on the line for Trump in that moment; "Gee, I already became insanely rich by accident, married a hot woman who barely speaks my language by accident, became a household reality TV show host by accident, and then literally became the actual Leader of the free world by accident- fuck it check out my dad dance. You know you want it."

Don't forget he's a twice impeached loser as well.

[Gravydoo II]

As if anything is on the line for Trump in that moment; "Gee, I already became insanely rich by accident, married a hot woman who barely speaks my language by accident, became a household reality TV show host by accident, and then literally became the actual Leader of the free world by accident- fuck it check out my dad dance. You know you want it."

When you inherit money then squander it to the point where you cant pay your own bills or lawyers, pretty sure thats not insanely rich or a merit. Its a demerit.

When you marry a former employee, a prostitute, thats a demerit. The first prostitute, ladies and gentleman.

Hosted a fake tv show about fake business deals about firing people. Was famous for losing hundreds of millions of dollars, going bankrupt, raping kids with epstein, thats a demerit.

Became president of a failing nation that is back sliding into fascism by lying and brainwashing the uneducated masses of america. Thats a demerit.

Hilarious they worship this guy. Almost like, they wish they were him. They want a powerful pedophile best friend, a prostitute wife, and DEBT up to their eyes.

[Jibartik]

*says they hate him, devote a page to his honor 1+ years after their guy won an election.

[Jibartik]

#themessiah

lol

[Horza]

I hope you'll get over Trump's embarrassing defeat eventually, Jib.

[Ooloo]

Horza you do realize both impeachment attempts failed and were pure political theater? And were doomed from the beginning? And were retarded? And that democrats hated trump so much they actually elected somebody worse? Because they are insane?

I just hope you understand these things.

[Nocht]

Horza is so far broken in the head all he can do is post the same tired one line posts to showcase his TDS. Dude is gonna be here 10 years from now still crying about Trump and Fox news.

[Horza]

Trump lost, idiots.

[Jibartik]

I hope you'll get over Trump's embarrassing defeat eventually, Jib.

https://i.imgur.com/awgkTE9.png

Incase you didn't know, after he is humbled, he returns and builds the greatest empire the world had ever seeen.

:o

[Ooloo]

When you inherit money then squander it to the point where you cant pay your own bills or lawyers, pretty sure thats not insanely rich or a merit. Its a demerit.

When you marry a former employee, a prostitute, thats a demerit. The first prostitute, ladies and gentleman.

Hosted a fake tv show about fake business deals about firing people. Was famous for losing hundreds of millions of dollars, going bankrupt, raping kids with epstein, thats a demerit.

Became president of a failing nation that is back sliding into fascism by lying and brainwashing the uneducated masses of america. Thats a demerit.

Hilarious they worship this guy. Almost like, they wish they were him. They want a powerful pedophile best friend, a prostitute wife, and DEBT up to their eyes.

Biden is worse than Trump was in literally every way. Also the US is the best place to live, which is why illegal immigrants are currently pouring into the country. We are a terrible awful racist colonizing conquering pillaging country, yet we are also failing? Hmmm. It can't be both.

[Trexller]

When you inherit money then squander it to the point where you cant pay your own bills or lawyers, pretty sure thats not insanely rich or a merit. Its a demerit.

When you marry a former employee, a prostitute, thats a demerit. The first prostitute, ladies and gentleman.

Hosted a fake tv show about fake business deals about firing people. Was famous for losing hundreds of millions of dollars, going bankrupt, raping kids with epstein, thats a demerit.

Became president of a failing nation that is back sliding into fascism by lying and brainwashing the uneducated masses of america. Thats a demerit.

Hilarious they worship this guy. Almost like, they wish they were him. They want a powerful pedophile best friend, a prostitute wife, and DEBT up to their eyes.

This guy is so jelly

[Horza]

Biden is worse than Trump was in literally every way. Also the US is the best place to live, which is why illegal immigrants are currently pouring into the country. We are a terrible awful racist colonizing conquering pillaging country, yet we are also failing? Hmmm. It can't be both.

Get over it, Baler. Your rape daddy had an embarrassing defeat at the hands of Sleepy Joe.

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/awgkTE9.png

Incase you didn't know, after he is humbled, he returns and builds the greatest empire the world had ever seeen.

:o

[Ooloo]

Get over it, Baler. Your rape daddy had an embarrassing defeat at the hands of Sleepy Joe.

Lol Baler like, still posts. I don't even know him, but I really love it that you think I'm somebody else and not that maybe different people think similar things, sometimes.

[robayon]

We are a terrible awful racist colonizing conquering pillaging country, yet we are also failing? Hmmm. It can't be both.It can be if the place you are coming from is even more of a horror show than America

Hey, btw, how did the countries most "illegal" border crossers generally come from get to be the way that they are? What drives people to risk crossing "illegally" in the first place, rolling the dice on getting their families separated, or killed?

[Swish]

Lol Baler like, still posts. I don't even know him, but I really love it that you think I'm somebody else and not that maybe different people think similar things, sometimes.

Baler is pretty much everyone if you add up all the conspiracies of who he ever got accused of being.

[Whale biologist]

Baler is pretty much everyone if you add up all the conspiracies of who he ever got accused of being.

Ooloo isn't Baler, stone cold lock of the century. ;)

[Ooloo]

It can be if the place you are coming from is even more of a horror show than America

Hey, btw, how did the countries most "illegal" border crossers generally come from get to be the way that they are? What drives people to risk crossing "illegally" in the first place, rolling the dice on getting their families separated, or killed?

See, unlike you, I don't think of Mexico and South America as shithole places. There are lots of great, prosperous, productive, safe places to work and live there. Millions and millions of people, doing just fine, watching telenovelas and whatever. Most (illegal) migrants are just poor and have fucked up lives and are entwined somehow with cartels. And that sucks, but lax\nonexistent border security in the US is not a solution to their problems.

[robayon]

Most (illegal) migrants are just poor and have fucked up lives and are entwined somehow with cartels. And that sucks, but lax\nonexistent border security in the US is not a solution to their problems.Ignoring your presumptions.

I am talking about the place an "illegal" immigrant specifically comes from. The question you dodged: I'm talking about people who decided to cross the border "illegally", why would someone take that risk?

[Ooloo]

Ignoring your presumptions.

I am talking about the place an "illegal" immigrant specifically comes from. The question you dodged: I'm talking about people who decided to cross the border "illegally", why would someone take that risk?

Because it sucks where they live? Yes I understand the motivations of an illegal immigrant. That doesn't mean they can just waltz in, we have laws for a reason.

I also don't understand why they think it's wise to come here specifically, instead of just illegally immigrating to like a nice city in Mexico or South America? There are totally normal nice places all over the world, why the urgency to get to AMERICA? Aren't we terrible, and failing, and a white supremacist hellhole?

[Elizondo]

I am talking about the place an "illegal" immigrant specifically comes from. The question you dodged: I'm talking about people who decided to cross the border "illegally", why would someone take that risk?

they want that check for 450k from joe "braindead" brandon for sure

[Ooloo]

"Did one of our guards who doesn't speak spanish accidentally put your kid in a room with a bunch of other kids for five minutes while you were illegally crossing the border for some reason? Well here's 450k."

-Probable Joe Biden quote

[robayon]

Because it sucks where they live? Yes I understand the motivations of an illegal immigrant. That doesn't mean they can just waltz in, we have laws for a reason.

I also don't understand why they think it's wise to come here specifically, instead of just illegally immigrating to like a nice city in Mexico or South America? There are totally normal nice places all over the world, why the urgency to get to AMERICA? Aren't we terrible, and failing, and a white supremacist hellhole?"I understand the motivations of an illegal immigrant" to "I don't understand why they think it's wise to come here specifically", absolutely amazing.

So if you are assuming that most "illegal" immigrants are coming here specifically because are 'entwined somehow with cartels', don't you think those same cartels could get to them in whatever decent city within their home country they'd hypothetically move to instead of here? Does everyone everywhere have the financial capacity to move, all the time?

[robayon]

they want that check for 450k from joe "braindead" brandon for sureI sure as hell would want a 450k payment too, but would you want it enough to risk getting your family separated from you? Or killed?

[Whale biologist]

I sure as hell would want a 450k payment too, but would you want it enough to risk getting your family separated from you? Or killed?

I think it's more punitive than restorative, and that's a good thing.

Maybe it comes down in negotation, but important thing is Tromp bad.

[Jibartik]

Michigan has been asking for the 5 billion to fix their water for 20 years.

Michigan is getting 1 billion for its water infrastructure from build back better.

Demosluts are Rats. 3 trillion. Still cant get flint clean water. Pathetic.

All this money is going to corporations banks and rich people's pockets.

[robayon]

It is pathetic, but I still don't see how you see that as exclusively a Democrat problem and not a structural problem, considering the various parties of everyone involved in starting the problem and dragging their feet on fixing it... and how much both of them fail to spend on domestic issues rather than, say, funding the military, which they all do and love to do

[Whale biologist]

It is pathetic, but I still don't see how you see that as exclusively a Democrat problem and not a structural problem, considering the various parties of everyone involved in starting the problem and dragging their feet on fixing it... and how much both of them fail to spend on domestic issues rather than, say, funding the military, which they all do and love to do

Social spending vastly dwarfs military spending. Can't trick me with limiting the discussion to only discretionary spending, you scoundrel. :p

[robayon]

Social spending vastly dwarfs military spendingSure, it's still entirely too much spending on the military no matter how you slice it

[Whale biologist]

Sure, it's still entirely too much spending on the military no matter how you slice it

*gestures vaguely at GI bill and BAH and the VA*

It's social spending all the way down, babe.

[robayon]

*gestures vaguely at GI bill and BAH and the VA*

It's social spending all the way down, babe.Who needs a draft when college is expensive as hell, healthcare is unaffordable, and poverty is everywhere

[Duik]

The news media, both good and bad here in the good ol'e AUS tell prospective illegal immigrants they are not welcome...
It's all over the news media.
Now, I can see how some dumbarses might see this as job done.
People smuggler types I'm sure relay this information to the desperate people from actual shithole countries that they transport on high quality watercraft to our lovely shores... pause NOT.
Dunno about the good ol'e USA specifically, but I'd be surprised if it's much different in theory, except no boat just a wet back. Although I'm sure coming from shithole country#1 to Australia via leaky boat (and about 26weeks later. Hilarious.), some part of their bodies most likely get wet, back included.
So, the answer to why would an illegal risk everything knowing they are not welcome in USA. Lots of times they don't know.
I am sure there are exceptions. In before.

[Gravydoo II]

If you volunteer, like a man, you dont have to worry about drafts.

[Gravydoo II]

This guy is so jelly

Rape daddy lost. Rape daddy lost his daddies money. Rape daddy is losing his freedom, too.

Yeah, I'm so jealous of bankrupting a casino. Nothing says "genius" like losing a game you yourself rigged.

I'm just so jealous, all that attention hes getting from federal and state prosecutors!! LOLOLOL