Why did this thread get closed?

[Gustoo]

I think that most threads should be bombed in this sub forum but why did this one get closed? https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394387&page=80

Just wondering to stay on the right side of the law.

[Toxigen]

take a guess

[Horza]

I assume it was because Republicans are dangerous morons.

[Gustoo]

I legitimately don't know. That thread and like half of the active threads in this forum cross most lines so I was wondering if there was something about it that made it need to end.

[unsunghero]

I assumed it was because the case is done

Now it's a question of whether Kyle is going to take these news agencies to task over spreading falsehoods about the case, such as him being a white supremacist or that he arrived and just started shooting "protestors"

Kyle seems like a nice dude, and his lawyer said he is going to change his name (won't help, he'll have to switch to online school if he doesn't want drinks dumped on him by psycho Dems on ASU campus), so I wouldn't be surprised if he chooses not to sue news agencies for slander. And that would be a shame because they need to be taught a lesson and the best lessons are those that hit the wallet

[Gravydoo II]

It brings up talk like "I can now travel to your town with an assault rifle and police your streets. If you dont like my loitering and menacing, touch me and its self defense if i shoot you" and on and on.

Cause the provocation wasnt bringing an assault rifle to "protect" property you dont even own, lol.. not at all.

I thought right wingers hated "outside agitators" and stuff..

[Castle2.0]

Forum Rules: Case Closed = Thread Closed

I already announced the final verdict.

[Whale biologist]

I think it was so people can't pick fights digging up quotes.

America wins.

[Gatordash]

Kyle seems like a nice dude
lol wut

[unsunghero]

It brings up talk like "I can now travel to your town with an assault rifle and police your streets. If you dont like my loitering and menacing, touch me and its self defense if i shoot you" and on and on.

Cause the provocation wasnt bringing an assault rifle to "protect" property you dont even own, lol.. not at all.

I thought right wingers hated "outside agitators" and stuff..

I actually just found out when having dinner with my grandma who also called Kyle foolish for doing what he did, that someone actually ASKED Kyle to defend their used car lot due to it already having been vandalized in a previous riot

Now I'm wondering how an ADULT asking a 17yr old kid to grab a gun and protect his property isn't considered contributing to delinquency of a minor. I guess because it's not a crime to protect property, but in doing so the adult just requested the kid put his life in danger

[Whale biologist]

he'll have to switch to online school if he doesn't want drinks dumped on him by psycho Dems on ASU campus)

Better off, isn't he? ASU is or was a party school.

[unsunghero]

Better off, isn't he? ASU is or was a party school.

Might be, that was a while back and I think due to some amateur porn at a frat debacle . I commuted to and from ASU until I switched to GCU. It caused me to feel disconnected from campus life. I guess for the better for my education, but I feel like I sorta missed the "college experience" socially. This was when I was gaming a lot too

If I could do it over I would have been more involved, joining clubs, going to study groups, etc

[robayon]

Kyle seems like a nice dude, and his lawyer said he is going to change his name (won't help, he'll have to switch to online school if he doesn't want drinks dumped on him by psycho Dems on ASU campus) he can just carry around a rifle problem solved

[Gravydoo II]

I actually just found out when having dinner with my grandma who also called Kyle foolish for doing what he did, that someone actually ASKED Kyle to defend their used car lot due to it already having been vandalized in a previous riot

Now I'm wondering how an ADULT asking a 17yr old kid to grab a gun and protect his property isn't considered contributing to delinquency of a minor. I guess because it's not a crime to protect property, but in doing so the adult just requested the kid put his life in danger

but now that raises the question. Can you now arm children, minors, with assault rifles and no security license, to patrol car lots and city streets? Cause thats kinda what im hearing. If I want to call up a child and say "hey kid ill give you a gun if you come here and protect my stuff" it looks like I can. Whats the cut off? 14? 13? Cause we know that 17 is ok.

Anyone else find this kinda fucky? Dont mind them, thats just my gang of children with guns I have to police the local area.

[robayon]

history is full of armed children, so arming gangs of children is just a return to our roots, definitely a sign of a healthy society and no further questions are required

[Knowledge]

"definitely a sign of a healthy society"

This is the End of Days

[unsunghero]

he can just carry around a rifle problem solved

Nah all college campuses in this country are considered gun free zones

It didn’t stop the Virginia Tech shooter from gunning down and killing 32 people like he was shooting fish in a barrel though

[unsunghero]

but now that raises the question. Can you now arm children, minors, with assault rifles and no security license, to patrol car lots and city streets? Cause thats kinda what im hearing. If I want to call up a child and say "hey kid ill give you a gun if you come here and protect my stuff" it looks like I can. Whats the cut off? 14? 13? Cause we know that 17 is ok.

Anyone else find this kinda fucky? Dont mind them, thats just my gang of children with guns I have to police the local area.

No, the dude should have probably hired trained private security. Sounds like he was just being cheap or having not planned well for riots. That’s why I’m surprised to see no consequences coming his way

[Gatordash]

Nah all college campuses in this country are considered gun free zones

It didn’t stop the Virginia Tech shooter from gunning down and killing 32 people like he was shooting fish in a barrel though

I agree we need more gun control in this country. Democrats will complain about it and do nothing though per usual so what are you gonna do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[unsunghero]

I agree we need more gun control in this country. Democrats will complain about it and do nothing though per usual so what are you gonna do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We have too many guns floating around. 10 times more than the next highest country. That’s why gun laws don’t work. But only honest non-criminal citizens would submit their guns to gov’t buyback programs and then who’s going to pay for all those guns being bought back and taken out of circulation? Taxpayers

So there’s really no good solution, which is why it hasn’t been solved (in my opinion)

[Trexller]

We have too many guns floating around. 10 times more than the next highest country. That’s why gun laws don’t work. But only honest non-criminal citizens would submit their guns to gov’t buyback programs and then who’s going to pay for all those guns being bought back and taken out of circulation? Taxpayers

So there’s really no good solution, which is why it hasn’t been solved (in my opinion)

there are more guns in the USA than there are citizens, 330 million people, 400+ million firearms.

Pandora's box is already open, you can't unring a bell etc etc.

You couldn't collect them all even if you applied the entire force of the U.S. military

The only solution is agressive public firearm education, situation de-escalation education, stricter limitations of open carry.

As well as actual real funding for the mental health industry, thats the big #1.

[Gatordash]

We have too many guns floating around. 10 times more than the next highest country. That’s why gun laws don’t work. But only honest non-criminal citizens would submit their guns to gov’t buyback programs and then who’s going to pay for all those guns being bought back and taken out of circulation? Taxpayers

So there’s really no good solution, which is why it hasn’t been solved (in my opinion)
I think you could do it but the democrats and governemnt in general is just too inept to do it.

Biden's got the whole Federal Government trying to figure out what could possibly be causing gas prices to go up the past few weeks and today he announced truckers have to be vaccinated to cross state lines (https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-business-health-07c377d92f85bc061bf7e2c690f4bbca).

If he can't figure out this one out he's never gonna figure out gun control which is why I find it pointless to argue about and I think it just kinda fuels the argument that you need a gun for safety due to the if you can't beat em, join em mentality at this point.

[unsunghero]

there are more guns in the USA than there are citizens, 330 million people, 400+ million firearms.

Pandora's box is already open, you can't unring a bell etc etc.

You couldn't collect them all even if you applied the entire force of the U.S. military

The only solution is agressive public firearm education, situation de-escalation education, stricter limitations of open carry.

As well as actual real funding for the mental health industry, thats the big #1.

Yea, seems the best you can do. If we could simultaneously delete every gun out of existence in the USA and pass strict gun laws they would be night and day different in efficacy

It’s a small problem, but the problem with even a well-trained armed citizenship is that they will still be in plainclothes. Part of the advantage of police or private security is they are almost always immediately identifiable in their position and role

Scenario: Someone starts shooting up a mall. Armed Good Samaritan: “There’s a shooting, and I see the shooter, I’m going to take him out!” Shoots original shooter. Another armed Good Samaritan “there’s an active shooting and I see the shooter, I’m going to take him out!” Shoots the first Good Samaritan

Luckily there has been more scenarios of a Good Samaritan stopping a shooting than there have been of multiple innocent people dying in the confusion. But it can happen, and is more likely to happen the more people that are armed

[robayon]

Nah all college campuses in this country are considered gun free zoneslaws aren't real, the american revolution was illegal too

[starkind]

Trials over. Move it here (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=379410).

[Gustoo]

It was not my intention to revive the closed thread.

Gun Control thread would make sense I guess for off topic flamewar.

As others have stated, disarming the populace is not a practical solution and I don't think it is an ethical solution. In a theoretical all guns are illegal place, criminals keep their guns.

The people that most need guns as an equalizer, women are then left with little defense against any 300lb man with ill intentions. A gun or the possibility of a gun corrects that problem.

I'm not a huge fan (only because I don't listen, I don't have a strong opinion on him) but the Joe Rogan quote “This country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem, and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem.” is very apt.


Rittenhouse thing was a pickle of a case, but he was given self defense because there is footage of him running away from the first person he shot dead, and then extremely clear footage of the second person he shot dead and the person he shot who lived.

Everyone in the area was guilty of any kind of "instigation" because the place as a danger zone and anyone being strictly rational would not be there.

There is sad footage of him trying to go back to his sort of "home base" by the gas station or whatever where he got water bottles from cops, but after he had left they tell him "don't come over here" like they had for some reason decided no one is allowed to approach anymore, something I'm sure he wasn't aware of when he walked off and was subsequently called out as "one of those guys telling people to get off cars"

Everyone trying to extrapolate what the verdict in his case means for all other future cases are just being silly. Every case will be on a case by case basis with all variables considered.

The other case people are saying "well now she has to get off!" is simply being pushed to the front of the news to make people mad at eachother. Everyone with a brain knows the cases are totally different. The lady killed an underage sex trafficker but not in defense of her immediate peril so her case is not the same. I would hope that she gets off scott free despite the differences in the case.

And then the people saying "well now WE'RE going to have guns!!" I think that is an appropriate response. You should have guns. The consequences of being an idiot with a gun are very dire but I think if you are too stupid to be trusted with a gun you shouldn't be able to have a drivers license and probably should be being treated for whatever ails you. The 2nd ammendment says that people are allowed to have guns. I think that anyone who is legal to walk on the streets and walk past me better be legally allowed to have guns because if they can't be trusted with that then they shouldn't be on the streets. I don't see how a person can go to prison, serve their sentence and then return to society as a lifetime second class citizen with no 2nd amendment. Obviously ridiculous + it doesn't protect anyone from the violence of that person, since its very easy to acquire guns illegally. So what is the point of making a second class citizen?

But remember that Rittenhouses entire life was almost destroyed as a result of his choice to carry a gun in that particular fashion in that particular place. His situation could have resulted in him getting beaten to death with a skateboard or foot, or he could have been found guilty of murder. All situations are less likely to have happened if he was more wisely using his 2nd ammendment rights. I don't know how the 17 year old weapon wielding is legal in that state or whatever they decided in this case. I'm just pretending he was 18 and other laws were abided by which would be the situation with future protestors.

It's a tough thing but either you want to live in an authoritarian state and think somehow that won't be absolute shit (look what our government has done in the past to anyone they could step on??) or you want to build a society where people are human beings to eachother.

I promise that the people that serve to gain by your disarmament are not you and your neighbors, it is indeed your overlords and perhaps even their criminal friends.

So please consider fully the consequences of 2nd amendment right restrictions taken to their logical conclusions.

You might remember that 2nd amendment rights were first shit on by NRA republicans when Black Panthers started carrying weapons in shit eating places like the California state capital. Lots of laws were passed and supported by a bunch of dumb dumbs that made all sorts of new crimes for carrying firearms and these went through mostly because people pretty much were happy to see them applied to their enemies (black panthers) the classic idiot choice of hurting yourself and your posterity to further your desire to damage whoever you decide are your enemies.

So try to be wise when playing real life PVP. I wouldn't hang out at the DL druid rings on rallos zek with a fungi equipped at 20hp with no friends and I wouldn't go to a protest where cops are rolling around in armored cars and things are being destroyed and lit on fire while open carrying a rifle. Thats dumb and ruins + ends lives.

But sometimes things like that are worth the risk for people with passion. The protestors thought it was important to protest, and the anti protestors thought it was important that they stop property damage from happening.

The lines there are not clear either because the private property owners end up fucked for the value of stuff, but then if they defend it they end up fucked for defending it. The cops are there because it is their paying job and all of them want to come home alive and not be featured on the news in a physical altercation.

Both sides on that fateful day should have been banding together to protest lots of other corruption in our society but instead they were pitted against each other to no gain at all.

RIP dead guys
RIP person who died that the protest was actually about
RIP Kyle Rittenhouses current name and non bearded face. He's going to the gym today and getting shredded and thin and going blond and no one will know it's him. He won't be seen in public for 5 years.

Long live freedom I hope. Freedom to make choices, and to live with them.

[Whale biologist]

If it's illegal to possess a gun, only lawbreakers will possess a gun.

🙃

[starkind]

I'm ok with absolutely zero gun laws if I get to defend myself from stupid people without the scrutiny of this oppressive and dystopian police state putting me under a microscope and social media trials.

Otherwise just go for it already, let's go completely zero guns and the police can profile people for precrimes.

[Trexller]

Yea, seems the best you can do. If we could simultaneously delete every gun out of existence in the USA and pass strict gun laws they would be night and day different in efficacy

It’s a small problem, but the problem with even a well-trained armed citizenship is that they will still be in plainclothes. Part of the advantage of police or private security is they are almost always immediately identifiable in their position and role

Scenario: Someone starts shooting up a mall. Armed Good Samaritan: “There’s a shooting, and I see the shooter, I’m going to take him out!” Shoots original shooter. Another armed Good Samaritan “there’s an active shooting and I see the shooter, I’m going to take him out!” Shoots the first Good Samaritan

Luckily there has been more scenarios of a Good Samaritan stopping a shooting than there have been of multiple innocent people dying in the confusion. But it can happen, and is more likely to happen the more people that are armed

Yeah unless you got a tier 1 operator shooting up a mall, then chances are you can neutralize the threat by means of martial. if I can get into arms reach of the shooter, its over for them, I guarantee that. Any amateur psycho is gonna lack the situation awareness to realize that I am maneuvering into their field space. But then again, I was trained to do so.

I'd still recommend the Run-Hide-Fight advice that is preached to civvies should they encounter a shooter. Even if they are a well trained licensed carrier, without that simulated chaos of live fire structure clearing, you don't get to experience that sensory overload that you will encounter in a real world setting.

Guns are a tough issue for sure, theres no good way out, or good way in.

I'm a gun owner and enthusiast, and even I find gun laws to be wacky.

"So, I can purchase a handgun, then buy a RONI stabilizer kit, and it operates like a semi-auto SMG, and its legal to fire from the wrist, but if I put the stabilizer up against my shoulder and fire it like its a stock, then thats illegal?"

weirdos.

[unsunghero]

I’m all for no guns, because then we get back to the cave man days of might makes right. And I currently have an advantage in that area. Take away guns and force everyone to engage in physical combat and I instantly become less likely to be chosen as a victim

As I get older and more frail tho then I’m gonna regret no guns….

[starkind]

Yeah unless you got a tier 1 operator shooting up a mall, then chances are you can neutralize the threat by means of martial. if I can get into arms reach of the shooter, its over for them, I guarantee that. Any amateur psycho is gonna lack the situation awareness to realize that I am maneuvering into their field space. But then again, I was trained to do so.

I'd still recommend the Run-Hide-Fight advice that is preached to civvies should they encounter a shooter. Even if they are a well trained licensed carrier, without that simulated chaos of live fire structure clearing, you don't get to experience that sensory overload that you will encounter in a real world setting.

Guns are a tough issue for sure, theres no good way out, or good way in.

I'm a gun owner and enthusiast, and even I find gun laws to be wacky.

"So, I can purchase a handgun, then buy a RONI stabilizer kit, and it operates like a semi-auto SMG, and its legal to fire from the wrist, but if I put the stabilizer up against my shoulder and fire it like its a stock, then thats illegal?"

weirdos.

Tldr to have a chance to disarm an opponent.

* You need the element of suprise.
* To close the distance. Or already be in range.
* Lightning fast muscle memory and reflexes.

I doubt people are practicing disarms at their PE coach guildeadmaster in middle school though. They should be.

[robayon]

Yeah unless you got a tier 1 operator shooting up a mall, then chances are you can neutralize the threat by means of martial. if I can get into arms reach of the shooter, its over for them, I guarantee that. Any amateur psycho is gonna lack the situation awareness to realize that I am maneuvering into their field space. But then again, I was trained to do so.This reads like a Steven Seagal: Lawman line, just awesome

[Trexller]

Tldr to have a chance to disarm an opponent.

* You need the element of suprise.
* To close the distance. Or already be in range.
* Lightning fast muscle memory and reflexes.

I doubt people are practicing disarms at their PE coach guildeadmaster in middle school though. They should be.

yeah this is why i feel the best advice for most people is run hide fight.

Pandora's box is open, guns are ubiquitous, and on top of that they are a device that begets their own necessity, the more guns that there are, the more guns are needed. All weapons in general follow this pattern.

To even consider a world without firearms is a utopian pipe dream, its simply absurd wishful dreaming.

Real world is, there's bad shit out there of all types, prepare yourself as best that you can.

[starkind]

I’m all for no guns, because then we get back to the cave man days of might makes right. And I currently have an advantage in that area. Take away guns and force everyone to engage in physical combat and I instantly become less likely to be chosen as a victim

As I get older and more frail tho then I’m gonna regret no guns….
Ya fuck the majority of females, children, and disabled

/s /s /s

I honestly think it's too late for civvies tho.

[unsunghero]

Tldr to have a chance to disarm an opponent.

* You need the element of suprise.
* To close the distance. Or already be in range.
* Lightning fast muscle memory and reflexes.

I doubt people are practicing disarms at their PE coach guildeadmaster in middle school though. They should be.

Most mass shooters are skinny little incel nerds wearing too much gear

A tackle to get them on the ground with 200lb me is going to be too disorienting to them to bring a gun in line. Then with adrenaline pumping I would be punching them in the head/face hard enough to break my own hands and not notice. Pretty sure I could kill them in less than 2 minutes of hits

But again, who knows how it would actually play out

[Trexller]

This reads like a Steven Seagal: Lawman line, just awesome

Steven Seagal is a fat douche, was never believable in any role i saw him play. I saw that show like once, and if a cop stopped me, and it was steven seagal, i would laugh and drive away.

[Knowledge]

No matter what happens we're going to die rich and poor alike

[starkind]

Ya. You also can't stop people from smuggling, stealing or making them. Or IEDs. Fat lot gun laws do in shit tier countries or after a collapse or when those government rent cops swarm with tasers and lobotomize your free thinking ass.

At least this way they can't make it easier on their conscience. They have to kill us if we are armed. Take that away and it's even easier and more bloodless and less messy to disappear people in a psych ward.

[starkind]

Most mass shooters are skinny little incel nerds wearing too much gear

A tackle to get them on the ground with 200lb me is going to be too disorienting to them to bring a gun in line. Then with adrenaline pumping I would be punching them in the head/face hard enough to break my own hands and not notice. Pretty sure I could kill them in less than 2 minutes of hits

But again, who knows how it would actually play out
Pass out quickly when losing a lot of blood. I wouldn't know tho because I would have my hand on a dead man's switch. Don't QUOTE me on that. Just an entirely hypothetical scenario.

[Knowledge]

No matter what happens we're all going to not exist soon enough.

[starkind]

There these silly manuals were they showed us how to shiv ppl walking past nonchalantly and in training the instructor just comes out of no where shiving u first if u don't have ur battle buddy there's no shiving him back or stopping the bleeding in time.

These "mass shootings" and terrorist attacks are amateur hour. And it depresses me people are so soft and weak.

[Whale biologist]

Ya. You also can't stop people from smuggling, stealing or making them. Or IEDs. Fat lot gun laws do in shit tier countries or after a collapse or when those government rent cops swarm with tasers and lobotomize your free thinking ass.

At least this way they can't make it easier on their conscience. They have to kill us if we are armed. Take that away and it's even easier and more bloodless and less messy to disappear people in a psych ward.

I have the same opinion on non-lethals.

[Trexller]

Most mass shooters are skinny little incel nerds wearing too much gear

A tackle to get them on the ground with 200lb me is going to be too disorienting to them to bring a gun in line. Then with adrenaline pumping I would be punching them in the head/face hard enough to break my own hands and not notice. Pretty sure I could kill them in less than 2 minutes of hits

But again, who knows how it would actually play out

Don't take the time to pummel the assailant if you are able to tackle them, immediately afterward assume control of the weapon, then slide it across the floor, or retreat and ascertain the weapons firing capability, either way put distance between them and the weapon as priority #1

after that if you need to further incapacitate them, you gotta be dynamic and violent. Fight dirty, pistol whip, groin, throat, eyes, doesn't matter if they are 5'4 or 6'10. You gotta stay in control of yourself too, if you black out and go all hulk smash, you might miss the draw of a secondary weapon, or other threats.

So... circling back to the run hide fight mantra for civvies. Probably best to just grab people while yelling Run!! or like pull a fire alarm or call 911, starting that call immediately with only, "Location" and the words: "Active Shooter" then drop the phone, leaving the line open and determine if where you are holed up is still safe.

[starkind]

I have the same opinion on non-lethals.

Ya u know what I mean.

I don't want to wantonly kill ppl or see ppl fucked up. Would prefer more gentle, less destructive ways of controlling people. Don't want cops in more harm way...

Yet this is how I feel about it. If civilization keeps falling non lethals won't make cops safer or their job easier anyway.

Universal Healthcare and weight loss control systems first.

[robayon]

Steven Seagal is a fat douche, was never believable in any role i saw him play. I saw that show like once, and if a cop stopped me, and it was steven seagal, i would laugh and drive away.I don't care for him much as a person either if he's willing to work with scum like Arpaio, but I do appreciate his extremely bizarre life

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/steven-seagal-im-no-puppy-230932/

[unsunghero]

Don't take the time to pummel the assailant if you are able to tackle them, immediately afterward assume control of the weapon, then slide it across the floor, or retreat and ascertain the weapons firing capability, either way put distance between them and the weapon as priority #1

after that if you need to further incapacitate them, you gotta be dynamic and violent. Fight dirty, pistol whip, groin, throat, eyes, doesn't matter if they are 5'4 or 6'10. You gotta stay in control of yourself too, if you black out and go all hulk smash, you might miss the draw of a secondary weapon, or other threats.

So... circling back to the run hide fight mantra for civvies. Probably best to just grab people while yelling Run!! or like pull a fire alarm or call 911, starting that call immediately with only, "Location" and the words: "Active Shooter" then drop the phone, leaving the line open and determine if where you are holed up is still safe.

Most likely the gun is not gonna stay in their hands, considering I would only go for a tackle if I could rush from behind or an angle where they don’t see me. And if I’m going for a tackle, I’m spearing them. They would have to have an iron grip to keep that gun in their hands. After that, they gonna be too knocked out to go for a secondary weapon. Ground and pound all the way baby, and not wearing any gloves to soften the hits

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X4k1HBV9FU0

[Gustoo]

Are you guys really talking about how you're gunna disarm an active shooter?

Why?

Sorry for starting this thread. MMA isn't real life.

Everyone should start carrying Pikes to take out the guys that carry Katanas.

The price of station wagons are gunna go up as the most convenient and cost effective way to drive around with your pikes.

[Trexller]

I hope i won't ever have to, however i feel it prudent to consider how I would handle any sort of crisis situation. obviously these things are fluid, and details are impossible to know, but nonetheless worthy of a few minutes of ponder.

of course one should remember that no plan ever survives contact with the enemy.

[starkind]

Are you guys really talking about how you're gunna disarm an active shooter?

Why?

Sorry for starting this thread. MMA isn't real life.

Everyone should start carrying Pikes to take out the guys that carry Katanas.

The price of station wagons are gunna go up as the most convenient and cost effective way to drive around with your pikes.
Thats the spirit!

Spear, halbred, polarm, pike def best weapon of all times. Battleships r just like rly big floaty pikes.


Artillery a close second.

[Trexller]

Weaponized Autism >

[robayon]

of course one should remember that no plan ever survives contact with the enemy.whew, good to know, my plan to just end up one of the victims has been usurped by contact with the enemy

i am sure i can stop an armed shooter with a witty retort, as i do not know the difference between words and bullets

[Gustoo]

of course one should remember that no plan ever survives contact with the enemy.

Man i liked travellers a lot.

[unsunghero]

MMA isn't real life.


No but it tends to be the most effective way to fight someone in a 1v1 scenario

Regardless, I don't need to watch MMA to know how effective it is to sit my weight on someone's chest while raining punches and elbows on their face. I wouldn't even need to see someone do it a single time in my life before naturally being able to do it to someone. Pretty sure it's part of our biology to know to fight like that

I just showed the vid to show the result

[starkind]

Make sure to sit up high on their chest and get those knees pinned under their arms good.

What's even a good counter for that? Rolling?

Like if they're that high on u getting your legs around them to control them isn't going to be ez.

I'd try a kidney hit. Or reach for the groin. Maybe try and grab their hand and bite it.

I think its pretty gg if u get on ur back and no legs around the other guy. Without leg control that's a terrible position.

U get ur legs around em and it changes completely. Can really fuck the other guy.

[Trexller]

whew, good to know, my plan to just end up one of the victims has been usurped by contact with the enemy

i am sure i can stop an armed shooter with a witty retort, as i do not know the difference between words and bullets

I guess my genius quote does work both ways.

Theres nothing saying you couldn't talk a shooter down, you might get shot, but you might also be a hero, preventing a tragedy caused by bullets, with only your words!

of course, Im sure you understand what I mean, that in recent years, people have decided that words they don't like are akin to violence. This is a direct result of any lack of real conflicts in their lives. American life became so cushy, that people don't know what to do with their primal innate need to struggle against adversity, so they all just pick their little tiny battles, and turn them into open wars.

[Gravydoo II]

Its already too late. When there are nearly 4 guns per person, (thats over a billion guns in the usa) theres literally nothing you can do. Right now, if i wanted, I could legally buy a gun for 50 dollars. Well, i'd have to wait til morning, but yeah 50 bucks. Then, I could take that gun and yadda yadda, sell it to a felon for 300 dollars. Now, I'm not the only person who knows this. A gun in the UK sells for 3-4k, bullets are another 1k for a 9mm and maybe 50 rounds. Illegal guns, of course. Its already too late. If you're willing to straw buy and take a trip to your local gang spot, you can turn a huge profit and everyone has guns, again.

The market is overly saturated with firearms. All those guns from the 1930's til now, are for the most part, still around. Imagine how many guns have been produced in that damn near 100 year span. Hundreds of millions of them.

[Gustoo]

Make sure to sit up high on their chest and get those knees pinned under their arms good.

What's even a good counter for that? Rolling?

Like if they're that high on u getting your legs around them to control them isn't going to be ez.

I'd try a kidney hit. Or reach for the groin. Maybe try and grab their hand and bite it.

I think its pretty gg if u get on ur back and no legs around the other guy. Without leg control that's a terrible position.

U get ur legs around em and it changes completely. Can really fuck the other guy.

Counter is scratching eyeballs and biting and groin chomping and all the other things you do when your life is at stake not in a PPV violence with rules.

Real life fights defo look like Jacky Chan or Roger Moore James Bond fights using cupboards and frigerators and random electrical hazards to injure attackers.

Real life bare knuckle fighting someone who clearly out matches you is worst case scenario battle conditions that everyone should be avoiding at all costs without something to equalize. Main practical value of such a skill is brawling at bars, sporting events, or “buildings on fire but mostly peaceful” protests

[Whale biologist]

I think its pretty gg if u get on ur back and no legs around the other guy. Without leg control that's a terrible position.

U get ur legs around em and it changes completely. Can really fuck the other guy.

It's a different strategical position when a woman does it, certainly.

[Homesteaded]

Guns aren't the problem.

Clowns who are literally afraid of the sight of a gun are the problem. Imagine a virgin offering rules around how to have the best sex, it's the same thing.

Buy a gun, learn to shoot. It's fun I promise, nothing sinister about it. Quit being a pussy.

[Trexller]

Buy a gun, learn to shoot. It's fun I promise, nothing sinister about it. Quit being a pussy.

[unsunghero]

Main practical value of such a skill is brawling at bars, sporting events, or “buildings on fire but mostly peaceful” protests

Brawling at bars not worth it. Sporting events not worth it. Riots or anything political not worth it

Stopping a mass murderer from gunning down more people? Worth it

That was always the scenario. And again, most mass shooters are skinny incel nerds wearing too much gear. If one manages to scratch my eye or bite my leg before being knocked into unconsciousness and then killed from hits to the prone skull, I wouldn't even notice until the adrenaline faded. Most likely some bones in my hands would be broken as well considering I'd be hitting a skull and how hard I can punch

[Trexller]

you'd be alright, those skinny incel nerds will lack the bone density to injure you.

just stop punching the skull when you get through to the floor.

ezpz.

[unsunghero]

Make sure to sit up high on their chest and get those knees pinned under their arms good.

What's even a good counter for that? Rolling?

Like if they're that high on u getting your legs around them to control them isn't going to be ez.

I'd try a kidney hit. Or reach for the groin. Maybe try and grab their hand and bite it.

I think its pretty gg if u get on ur back and no legs around the other guy. Without leg control that's a terrible position.

U get ur legs around em and it changes completely. Can really fuck the other guy.

Not a grappling expert so I dunno

I do remember being shown how to "break away" from holds from aggressive psychotic or intoxicated clients during a personal safety mandatory work training a year ago. For the purposes of the simulation we were supposed to only squeeze with partial grip, obviously not to hurt anyone in the training. Since I am good friends with my co-worker, him and I were able to use a stronger grip on each other and in those scenarios, none of the break away maneuvers worked

Our instructor had us do a scenario of "how to break away if being choked" and for the simulation had the attacker standing and choking a standing person with arms outstretched like a zombie. I asked the instructor what to do if I was sitting on top of someone's chest while choking them, and mentioned that would be more likely than standing while choking someone if the intent was to kill them. She had no answer of what to do there. Another male co-worker suggested "die?"

[starkind]

Lol. Ya. Best option is to pull ur knees up and heels to butt and try to push ur self up to try and unseat the guy on top.

Or if you can reach up and hug them close like a big ol hug so they can't punch, makes it harder to choke.

It's really easy to break a standing choke from the front. Thats something only a zombie would do. No center of mass for them.

If guy is on top of me I'm doing my legs in, push up, hug, and if I do hug them close I'm biting their neck or face.

I don't play nice.

We practiced choking ppl out a lot.

If someone is actively choking u ur pretty fucked. U got about 30 seconds if its a loose hold. A good one can take u out faster because ur brains need a ton of blood flow. I want to say as fast as 5 seconds. My asshole friend did that to me once sneaking up behind he just wanted me to get good

U seemed to have some knowledge so I was curious what ur thots were. Thanks for sharing.

And yeah my adrenaline fueled punches were extremely lethal, broken my fingers on soft shit. Most people don't have the practice to drive their muscles that hard. In a life or death fight or flight or psychotic flip out situations tho ppl turn into animals.

Best to just run and let them get tired or hit them with an object like whale said.

[Trexller]

if someone is straddling your chest and strangling you, the only thought in your mind should be "Jam a finger or two between their eye socket and eyeball, and rip the fuckin thing out"

[starkind]

if someone is straddling your chest and strangling you, the only thought in your mind should be "Jam a finger or two between their eye socket and eyeball, and rip the fuckin thing out"

If they do it right they'll have ur arms forcibly extended to make that harder.

Sound advice, especially if you can reach. Get them closer and it's an option.

[unsunghero]

Ya I dunno I pay more attention to offense for some reason, dunno why, I’m really not a violent person

For example, I saw a vid I can’t find anymore of someone showing how all knife self defense strats break down if the attacker has a hand on the defender and is pulling them with that hand into the thrusts. A tight grip on the shirt works best. Then maneuverability is gone, trapping the wrist doesn’t work and it’s easy to yank out of their grip if it’s only with 1 hand, if they can even get that. He did some practices with a rubber knife and every time with every different strat the defender was dead

[Toehammer]

Grappling expert weighing in.

If there is enough of a skill discrepancy or size disadvantage that your attacker gets full high mount with their knees up in your armpits, you don't have the skills to get them off. Since that is not very useful, here is what you do.

Escapes are all about hips and shoulder distance.

1) Shrimping is always best because it works if you are persistent for a few seconds (might eat a few punches/get choked a little), I spend about 1/5 of my warm up on shrimping (ebi for the judo guys).

2) Elevate opponent's hips and twist your torso so they are mounting your side hip/ribs.

3) Once you have created a moment of disconnection there are several methods where you basically lock a part of their body (outside knee, hip, shoulder, elbow) usually with a 2 on 1 grip and roll like crazy... careful not to get choked/back mounted... then you will be in deep trouble.

After that it just come down to experience and practice. If you don't have experience or practice, maybe you should.

( If you are spectacularly flexible (I used to be) you can sometimes get people off with crazy leg contortions around their waist... but if they are experienced with heavy hips they can just lock you there and pound away... high risk high reward.)

[starkind]

Grappling expert weighing in.

If there is enough of a skill discrepancy or size disadvantage that your attacker gets full high mount with their knees up in your armpits, you don't have the skills to get them off. Since that is not very useful, here is what you do.

Escapes are all about hips and shoulder distance.

1) Shrimping is always best because it works if you are persistent for a few seconds (might eat a few punches/get choked a little), I spend about 1/5 of my warm up on shrimping (ebi for the judo guys).

2) Elevate opponent's hips and twist your torso so they are mounting your side hip/ribs.

3) Once you have created a moment of disconnection there are several methods where you basically lock a part of their body (outside knee, hip, shoulder, elbow) usually with a 2 on 1 grip and roll like crazy... careful not to get choked/back mounted... then you will be in deep trouble.

After that it just come down to experience and practice. If you don't have experience or practice, maybe you should.

( If you are spectacularly flexible (I used to be) you can sometimes get people off with crazy leg contortions around their waist... but if they are experienced with heavy hips they can just lock you there and pound away... high risk high reward.)

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[Nocht]

I think its because leftie lunatics can't handle getting dunked on when they lose.

[Tunabros]

libtards salting that kyle was actually innocent

this has to be the most dumbest trial i ever seen in my life

[Ooloo]

Buy a gun, learn to shoot. It's fun I promise, nothing sinister about it. Quit being a pussy.

This, not to mention just having the basic knowledge of how common firearms operate and basic safety procedures could come in handy some day. Simply knowing how to disable a gun if you get it away from a shooter, for example.

I used to be super anti-2A when I was young and ignorant. Then I actually learned about the subject, learned how to shoot, and talked to people older and wiser than I and now I fully support 2A rights.

It's funny how almost everyone who supports rittenhouse has some firearms knowledge, and almost everyone who STILL, even after the trial, wants him to burn knows almost nothing about guns at all. They still think "semi-auto" means machinegun or something.

[starkind]

TLDR get some weapons training, Krava maga, do some trail running, and hunting to get familur with surviving in the wilderness and have a ditch somewhere with some canned food burried in it behind some thorny wild brushes

I was laughing at this show were these yuppies living in alaska were trying to track moose on foot from a trailhead and I was like these guys can't even forage or stay overnight outside lawl (that requires some real education FYI so don't try it without some experience)

also u need to learn how to dig a shallow ditch and lay flat and perfecktly still in it for like 18 hrs straight, preferably on ur back with a spike in ur arms ready to pup it up.

[Knowledge]

Reality is not the real king.

The real king lives within.

[robayon]

I used to be super anti-2A when I was young and ignorant.So what's your excuse for your ignorance now that you're a little older?

Nah, I am sure the SRA, John Brown Gun Club, and Redneck Revolt are just myths meant to rattle the 14 year old mindset macho man conservative who is posting in this thread talking about fighting badguys and doing karate and kissing other boys while they wrassle

[Whale biologist]

So what's your excuse for your ignorance now that you're a little older?

Nah, I am sure the SRA, John Brown Gun Club, and Redneck Revolt are just myths meant to rattle the 14 year old mindset macho man conservative who is posting in this thread talking about fighting badguys and doing karate and kissing other boys while they wrassle

those are feds dude run

[robayon]

those are feds dude runI'm not a member, just saying they exist

Whether they're infiltrated or not is a different question, like the FBI can infiltrate those liberals in the DSA, they're wasting their time as much as they are following Noam Chomsky to Panera Bread

[Jibartik]

libtards salting that kyle was actually innocent

this has to be the most dumbest trial i ever seen in my life

By libtards do you mean the actual president, vice president, and white house press secretary, because all of them have said this was a misscaridge of justice.

Same people who are rounding up the former administration come to think of it haha

God I love the end of society.

[Ooloo]

So what's your excuse for your ignorance now that you're a little older?

Nah, I am sure the SRA, John Brown Gun Club, and Redneck Revolt are just myths meant to rattle the 14 year old mindset macho man conservative who is posting in this thread talking about fighting badguys and doing karate and kissing other boys while they wrassle

Ok now I just don't really know what you're talking about, but uhh.. kyle verdict was good and just.

[unsunghero]

This, not to mention just having the basic knowledge of how common firearms operate and basic safety procedures could come in handy some day. Simply knowing how to disable a gun if you get it away from a shooter, for example.

I used to be super anti-2A when I was young and ignorant. Then I actually learned about the subject, learned how to shoot, and talked to people older and wiser than I and now I fully support 2A rights.

It's funny how almost everyone who supports rittenhouse has some firearms knowledge, and almost everyone who STILL, even after the trial, wants him to burn knows almost nothing about guns at all. They still think "semi-auto" means machinegun or something.

I had my first BB gun when I was like 6 years old. I still remember old videos of dad taking me out to the desert to "hunt rabbits" and me with the stock tucked under my arm missing by a mile, I'm talking shooting 45 degrees the wrong direction of a brave big rabbit sitting no farther than 25 feet from me as my dad laughed his ass off from behind the camera at how widely I was missing

But he GRILLED gun safety into me. I remember once when I passed the barrel of the BB gun over him he yelled "BOOM!" and then "you just killed your father", and then a lesson about never passing the barrel over a living target you don't intent to shoot. I remember he did it to my friend too when he was over, and later my friend was like "man your dad scared me. He sounded serious about me accidentally 'killing him' back there"

I think I was handling real firearms around the age of 10ish, but they wouldn't give me anything with recoil I couldn't handle, so it was usually like just .22's

[Jibartik]

I became a deomcrat because I didnt like trucks and wrestling when i was 8 years old.

Now I devote my life to getting rid of trucks and wrestling.

:(

[Gustoo]

I had my first BB gun when I was like 6 years old. I still remember old videos of dad taking me out to the desert to "hunt rabbits" and me with the stock tucked under my arm missing by a mile, I'm talking shooting 45 degrees the wrong direction of a brave big rabbit sitting no farther than 25 feet from me as my dad laughed his ass off from behind the camera at how widely I was missing

But he GRILLED gun safety into me. I remember once when I passed the barrel of the BB gun over him he yelled "BOOM!" and then "you just killed your father", and then a lesson about never passing the barrel over a living target you don't intent to shoot. I remember he did it to my friend too when he was over, and later my friend was like "man your dad scared me. He sounded serious about me accidentally 'killing him' back there"

I think I was handling real firearms around the age of 10ish, but they wouldn't give me anything with recoil I couldn't handle, so it was usually like just .22's

Nice story.

My dad didn't really care much about guns, but I had a red ryder and shot it probably 4 hours a day for like 8 years straight. My back yard was declared a superfund site for all the lead. I shot at cans though I like my local birds and red ryders don't pack the punch needed to actually kill em.

I had to put a gopher my cats were messing with out of its misery with a multi pump pellet pistol once though.

[Ooloo]

I had to put a gopher my cats were messing with out of its misery with a multi pump pellet pistol once though.

Eghaddd! See I would not want to have to do something like that. At least not without a powerful, clean weapon

I like gophers :(

[Gustoo]

It was point blank in the head with maximum number of pumps possible I just didn't have a good shovel at hand.

[starkind]

I want every to be a pacifist and happy and kind and gentle. I also want people to be knowledgeable and prepared and abled and free. And skillful. And experienced.

[starkind]

It was point blank in the head with maximum number of pumps possible I just didn't have a good shovel at hand.

You did a good thing that gopher was suffering horrifically and it's not your fault, those cats chose your yard to exist in there in, if there were no humans interfering with anything the gophers and cats would still be having wars and they probably wouldn't even wait for them to stop breathing.

Thanks, I know it's hard, I have had to do that too. I felt obligated when I did it. I didn't feel like anyone else was going to. You did your best. I don't know of a better way to do it. I wish I did. And I didn't have to.

[Ooloo]

I had my first BB gun when I was like 6 years old. I still remember old videos of dad taking me out to the desert to "hunt rabbits" and me with the stock tucked under my arm missing by a mile, I'm talking shooting 45 degrees the wrong direction of a brave big rabbit sitting no farther than 25 feet from me as my dad laughed his ass off from behind the camera at how widely I was missing

But he GRILLED gun safety into me. I remember once when I passed the barrel of the BB gun over him he yelled "BOOM!" and then "you just killed your father", and then a lesson about never passing the barrel over a living target you don't intent to shoot. I remember he did it to my friend too when he was over, and later my friend was like "man your dad scared me. He sounded serious about me accidentally 'killing him' back there"

I think I was handling real firearms around the age of 10ish, but they wouldn't give me anything with recoil I couldn't handle, so it was usually like just .22's

Haha, yeah I mean it's a cliche talking point for the right now, but I think it's true. It's so important to have a good, influential father figure to teach things like that. I remember as a kid I wanted to be just like my dad. Of course I loved my mom too, but fathers have a unique ability to imprint upon sons, and I'm really grateful that I have that knowledge now. My dad knew that when guns were introduced into the world everything changed, and you have to teach your kids about them just like you need to teach them about taxes and talking to girls. Especially in america, given the gun policy.

[starkind]

I became a deomcrat because I didnt like trucks and wrestling when i was 8 years old.

Now I devote my life to getting rid of trucks and wrestling.

:(

My republican neighbors are all now flamboyantly gay and I'm now a republican :( ???

I haven't changed my registrastion.

My state is stupid. With it's primaries.

I like vomittting in primaries. Maybe since I can't control what these dumb democrats do I should just vote for my favorite republicans anyway.

[starkind]

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suffocation is only like horrible and terrifying for all of like the first 30 seconds so if you can put a plastic bag over a dying animals head it's probably going to be quick-ish and pretty painless, it's probably against the law to do that even if they got ran over by a car or accidently chopped in half tho, i'd rather bleed out from a sharp cut to the carotid, or have my spine crushed/severed, with one of those bolt gun things probably also tho

[Homesteaded]

I killed a cat once. Big tom cat was on the farm killing kittens and momma cats. I like to tell that story to see the look of shock from the urban folk who think nature is kind and gentle.

[robayon]

I killed a cat once. Big tom cat was on the farm killing kittens and momma cats. I like to tell that story to see the look of shock from the urban folk who think nature is kind and gentle.Can you clarify 'urban folk' in this context, Uncle?

[Gatordash]

Can you clarify 'urban folk' in this context, Uncle?

If y'all live within an acre of your neighbor, then y'all urban folk.

[Topgunben]

forum moderators feel the need to impose a nanny state here

[Ooloo]

If you can look outside and see more than one other house you're urban. I consider suburban to essentially still be urban. Get off my lawn.

[starkind]

I killed a cat once. Big tom cat was on the farm killing kittens and momma cats. I like to tell that story to see the look of shock from the urban folk who think nature is kind and gentle.

Yeah. That's a head shot or shotgun type situation. If u can't get close enough to aim for it.

[Homesteaded]

.22

[BlackBellamy]

Hammer.

[robayon]

.22Stop posting about your small penis, we get it