Adamantite band question.

[PatChapp]

I've been leveling an enchanter and there's some conflicting information on some guides. Is it worthwhile to give a pet 2 of these or will they only equip one? Thanks.

[Jimjam]

Charm a level 1, give a 2x hp ring. Break charm, do 100 damage. If you kill it the mob only had one equippable finger slot.

Do a similar process to find out whether they can benefit from 3x rings.

Lettuce snow yore results.

[PatChapp]

Good idea thank you.

[bivouac]

I tested this on 4 decaying skeletons using Chaotic Feedback to nuke.

A - No rings, dead in 1 cast
B - 1 Ada Ring, dead in 2 casts
C - 2 Ada Rings, dead in 4 casts
D - 2 Ada Rings, 1 5AC/55HP ring, dead in 4 casts, same % per nuke as C

So pets can wear up to two rings.

[PatChapp]

Awesome thanks, was going to do the same at some point.

[unsunghero]

I’m only 49, but I haven’t considered potentially losing a 200p piece of gear on a charmed pet if it dies to mobs as necessary for charming

For me personally, if I’m worried about charm breaks, I just go for lower level targets, no -mr gear required. Maybe this will change at high level though

Also, charmed pets still make disappointing tanks. They can deal decent damage, although even at my lev the animation’s damage is still neck and neck (its max hits are less but it hits more often in a span of time so dps seems comparable). But charmed pets can’t take hits for shit. Giving them AC buff doesn’t help. It’s not worth hasting them because unless they are killing things significantly lower level than them, even with slow on the target, they can only kill at most 1-2 other mobs before they are about to die themselves. So haste on them is just a colossal waste of mana to me. And doing the blur-to-heal-to-full just takes too much time IMO. I prefer to just kill them and find a new one

Maybe I’m doing it wrong tho

[Jimjam]

You ain't carrying around a full set of banded to give to your charm pet?!

[unsunghero]

You ain't carrying around a full set of banded to give to your charm pet?!

No. I did hear someone on forums mention giving like 2,000+ pp worth of items and -MR to particular charmed pets, but he also said this was at levels like 58-60ish

The only time I could see a scenario involving giving a pet -MR gear and/or dps gear would be to headhunt a particular target that you know will be a long fight where charm breaks could really put you in danger. For just leveling though? Heck no, but again, maybe this changes 50-60 I dunno. I personally have exclusively hunted mobs that were exp greens to low blue (low blue as the charm target so that it can kill 1-2 before it is about to die), and with that target selection, 230 cha keeps it fairly reliable. There’s still breaks, double and triple breaks even, but those are rare

[Jimjam]

To be honest, I was being a little flippant/facetious. Not entirely though.

I've only found putting AC gear on a pet to be useful at low level (when mob atk doesn't completely outstrip mob AC - at higher levels the discrepancy is so high that adding equipment and buffs does little to help). I'm sure other players have had different experiences though!

[unsunghero]

To be honest, I was being a little flippant/facetious. Not entirely though.

I've only found putting AC gear on a pet to be useful at low level (when mob atk doesn't completely outstrip mob AC - at higher levels the discrepancy is so high that adding equipment and buffs does little to help). I'm sure other players have had different experiences though!

Do you mean on a charmed pet or a summoned pet? I know gear given to charmed pets can be looted after u kill it, and I’m assuming gear given to summoned pets is gone forever?

I have nothing against anyone who gives gear to either kind though. More power to you, especially if you have the pp stock for it. And especially like you mentioned if it does do some significant improvement

[eisley]

yikes.


1) you can loot the gear you give to your charm pet

2) charm pets, when done right, do *literally* ten times more damage than a summoned pet.

3) as for their tanking, few options - can you snare it? do so and camp or fd. 5% per tick. no? root it and camp in and out. also, most classes can do the tanking themselves while the pet shreds. also fear. also, pet weapons and items are critical. conflagration dagger, earthen blade, staff of undead legions, blood point, on and on. tolapumj robe, 2x bands, rusty shoulders. haste.

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ALL THAT ASIDE.

theres the other way to charm kill.

charm a mob. send it into other mobs. root all. when its low hp, break charm. finish off low hp former pet. charm the next one. repeat.

[Jibartik]

my favorite thing about fully arming a pet with all the best pet gear is taking a shower and remembering you gated out of sebilis last night.

[PatChapp]

I can't imagine an animation keeping up. My enchanters 35 in CT. Lizard with an adamantite Bo stick and some -mr gear absolutely shreds, keeping up DPS with a rogue with half decent twink gear.

[unsunghero]

I can't imagine an animation keeping up. My enchanters 35 in CT. Lizard with an adamantite Bo stick and some -mr gear absolutely shreds, keeping up DPS with a rogue with half decent twink gear.

What distorts the comparison for me is I always keep animation hasted, while I never haste a charmed pet when solo (although I will in a group). For solo charming, the bigger problem isn’t the pet’s dps, it’s its ability to take hits. Unless there’s more than a 3 level difference, my charmed pets are below 30% health by the second or third mob they’ve killed. So I prefer to just kill them rather than try to blur heal

Plus the other downside of making a monster pet solo is that it’s taking 50% exp. This is why reverse charming will always be the best exp/hour, although making a monster pet is def max fun

[PatChapp]

Yeah for soloing all you need to do is make sure the pet and target are relatively close in HP's. Don't want one too much stronger than the other, very different scenarios

[unsunghero]

Ya

And speaking of the adamantite bo stick, I wonder would a weighted axe do anything for a charmed pet? I found one recently and remember hearing that used to make pets ridic because of the high damage, but this might have been back in vanilla EQ

[PatChapp]

I don't think pets use that anymore. The Bo stick is awesome on pets and very cheap

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