Official Petition/Request to continue Xpacs (Luclin/PoP/LDoN) for P99

[JerPayer]

Hullo. Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but.

P99 is great for lots of reasons, especially because it doesn't change (much) of the original, and the OGs were great! Not to mention the seriousness of crackdown on multi-boxing, keeping the servers fair, etc.

All of these things are why P99 is so fun, plus the game itself, and thank you all for doing such a fine job.

I was hoping others would sign on to show that there would be <3 for continuing into a few more xpacs? I know I've talked to many folks that would love to see some of the additional content in the OG format p99 brings.

Thanks for listening. Cheers. :D

[Naethyn]

approved.

[Tunabros]

Devs spent a lot of time removing luclin+ content from the server

This will never happen no matter how much the community wants it

If you want to add a few more expansions, most of it would only benefit raiders

and a lot of new players will have to either solo or box just to keep up

If you want to experience luclin+ content, check out TAKP

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/940YqMC.jpg

[Jimjam]

Hullo. Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but.

P99 is great for lots of reasons, especially because it doesn't change (much) of the original, and the OGs were great! Not to mention the seriousness of crackdown on multi-boxing, keeping the servers fair, etc.

All of these things are why P99 is so fun, plus the game itself, and thank you all for doing such a fine job.

I was hoping others would sign on to show that there would be <3 for continuing into a few more xpacs? I know I've talked to many folks that would love to see some of the additional content in the OG format p99 brings.

Thanks for listening. Cheers. :D

Kind of you to volunteer your time to reverse engineer so much work.

[Gustoo]

Hullo. Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but.

P99 is great for lots of reasons, especially because it doesn't change (much) of the original, and the OGs were great! Not to mention the seriousness of crackdown on multi-boxing, keeping the servers fair, etc.

All of these things are why P99 is so fun, plus the game itself, and thank you all for doing such a fine job.

I was hoping others would sign on to show that there would be <3 for continuing into a few more xpacs? I know I've talked to many folks that would love to see some of the additional content in the OG format p99 brings.

Thanks for listening. Cheers. :D

Banish him

[Jibartik]

this is a great idea so I could hate p99 for 10 years then discover a new website dedicated to recreating the classic p99 experience, without all the bloated expansions.

sign me up! (https://youtu.be/2WN0T-Ee3q4?t=42)

:o

[Jimjam]

Gotta follow the classic^2 p1999 timeline and have 5 years of kunark!

[Trexller]

Hullo. Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but.

P99 is great for lots of reasons, especially because it doesn't change (much) of the original, and the OGs were great! Not to mention the seriousness of crackdown on multi-boxing, keeping the servers fair, etc.

All of these things are why P99 is so fun, plus the game itself, and thank you all for doing such a fine job.

I was hoping others would sign on to show that there would be <3 for continuing into a few more xpacs? I know I've talked to many folks that would love to see some of the additional content in the OG format p99 brings.

Thanks for listening. Cheers. :D

what you want is called TAKP.

boxing is classic. I boxed in 2000. sorry you were a poor kid with only 1 computer

[hobart]

Looking forward to LDoN in 2047. Great idea OP.

[Naethyn]

I'd argue that classic everquest died with LDoN. Gone were the day of going down into dungeons. After LDoN it was all randomly interconnected hallways with merchants selling gear for completion tokens. Everything before LDoN is classic.

[Gustoo]

Gotta follow the classic^2 p1999 timeline and have 5 years of kunark!

Yep a classic project 1999 retro experience recreation.

[Gustoo]

There is no debate that luclin is the downfall turning point of classic everquest.

My dream is a vanilla locked server with really subtle custom content added in later on to fill out some of the mysteriously go-nowhere quests in the game and thicken out the traditional norrath.

[Jibartik]

Well gustoo, I miiiiight be the wet blanket that says "I always quit in the middle of velious for some reason.."

:o

but luclin sure as hell made me glad I did :D

[starkind]

May as well go to GoD if you keep the server 1 box, solo. Player guilds could spread out and pick what content they want to do.

[Bardp1999]

The goal should have been to create a classic feel server. P99 could be so much more fun.

But OP sadly all you will get is "get fucked", "not classic", "book not up", "die" and other similar responses. Everquest is not meant to be played for multiple years in 2 expansions and the creators seem to have no desire to keep things fresh. So get your occational nostalgia fix and move along

[loramin]

I'd argue that classic everquest died with LDoN.

This, although I feel like LDoN itself wasn't so bad, because the game still had enough "old EQ" at that point, and all that "interchangeability" hadn't taken over yet. Those five new instanced dungeons were interchangeable, but they were just a novel/fun way to get AAs in between PoP raids; they hadn't yet corrupted the whole game.

My personal dream server would go to LDoN and stop there. With AAs and augments people could work on their characters for a long time, but it would still fundamentally be the same original game and not that atrocity of mercenaries and such.

[loramin]

Kind of you to volunteer your time to reverse engineer so much work.

Also this. I'd love the dream server I just mentioned, but if I were to go to Rogean, Nilbog, or anyone else behind P99 in real life and say "hey, after all the work you did could you also build this server for me?" ... I'd fully expect them to punch me in the face :)

I'm very appreciative of what we do have here.

[Skarne]

This, although I feel like LDoN itself wasn't so bad, because the game still had enough "old EQ" at that point, and all that "interchangeability" hadn't taken over yet. Those five new instanced dungeons were interchangeable, but they were just a novel/fun way to get AAs in between PoP raids; they hadn't yet corrupted the whole game.

My personal dream server would go to LDoN and stop there. With AAs and augments people could work on their characters for a long time, but it would still fundamentally be the same original game and not that atrocity of mercenaries and such.

Once again Loramin comes through with an excellent thought

[JerPayer]

Wow, there's a lot of anger, hate, and malicious comments here. Apologies, I didn't mean to bring out the most cruel intentions of fellow gamers.

How was I supposed to know they "reverse engineered" things? It's not exactly in the fine print. It was a harmless post bragging about how the p99 devs kept everything so polished, and having enjoyed the OG game, would continue to enjoy it.

Shame on all of you intent on being mean for the purpose of simply being cruel.

[JerPayer]

The goal should have been to create a classic feel server. P99 could be so much more fun.

But OP sadly all you will get is "get fucked", "not classic", "book not up", "die" and other similar responses. Everquest is not meant to be played for multiple years in 2 expansions and the creators seem to have no desire to keep things fresh. So get your occational nostalgia fix and move along


Yeah, I've noticed the hate and anger here. Won't be posting anything anymore if they're just gonna be dicks about it.

[cd288]

Will never happen and is possibly against their legal agreement with Daybreak (or whatever the company is that now owns the EQ IP)

[cd288]

what you want is called TAKP.

boxing is classic. I boxed in 2000. sorry you were a poor kid with only 1 computer

This is kind of a misstatement. Boxing wasn't explicitly prohibited but if you boxed in certain ways we would issue warnings (was CSR in era). For example, using boxing to hold down a valuable camp and monopolize it when you otherwise wouldn't be able to do it on your own. If we got reports of that we would step in.

[Gustoo]

Yeah, I've noticed the hate and anger here. Won't be posting anything anymore if they're just gonna be dicks about it.

I'm tempted to say something mean just to follow the classically mandated action of being an E-bully

The main thing is you've got project eq the grand creation and another server on server select screen that already does what you're asking for.

Same with shards of dalaya (everquest emulator)

This is the only server that stays in "classic" and you're asking it to go beyond. Just play TLP and delete game when it gets to an era you hate. Maybe they will do a permanently locked TLP server with a hard cap and you can play live with all the benefits of that.

[Trexller]

This is kind of a misstatement. Boxing wasn't explicitly prohibited but if you boxed in certain ways we would issue warnings (was CSR in era). For example, using boxing to hold down a valuable camp and monopolize it when you otherwise wouldn't be able to do it on your own. If we got reports of that we would step in.

I played on tarew marr then it merged to drinal. I 2 boxed everything I could, in any camp, from kunark to underfoot. thats 15 expansions. I never had a boxing related GM interaction. When i was 15 my dad made me get a job to pay for the 8 monthly subs I had.

Verant wasn't stupid. Multi-boxing means more monthly subs, they encouraged this activity.

I did get a few accounts banned for using ghostkill though, now that was some good old classic bad behavior!

[Ooloo]

Yeah boxing was never against the rules, but only because accounts cost money. In a setting where they don't, it makes no sense to allow it. If the "classic experience" included some few people boxing (but not most, due to hardware limitations) it doesn't make sense to include it here given that the goal is the most classic experience possible. Today, both hardware and internet infrastructure allows any p99 player to box a full group easily, which was rare in 1999. So to just outlaw boxing entirely brings the net experience closer to what actually occured in classic than allowing boxing, which would result in a way artificially higher level of boxing than what existed in 1999.

TLDR anything that makes the game feel more single-player is inherently anti-thetical to the vision of brad

[Jimjam]

Wow, there's a lot of anger, hate, and malicious comments here. Apologies, I didn't mean to bring out the most cruel intentions of fellow gamers.

How was I supposed to know they "reverse engineered" things? It's not exactly in the fine print. It was a harmless post bragging about how the p99 devs kept everything so polished, and having enjoyed the OG game, would continue to enjoy it.

Shame on all of you intent on being mean for the purpose of simply being cruel.

Most of the comments were helpful (suggesting similar servers that do go beyond SoV) or in agreement. Some reminisced of the early days of the project.

I feel you may have misread the tone should you feel you were being treated meanly. I wholeheartedly apologise if I made you feel uncomfortable in anyway. I just wanted to ask you, in good humour, whether you had considered what you were demanding of others (by demanding it of you). Sorry again if my mirror was upsetting.

You’re right, the fact the server is a huge piece of reverse engineering isn’t in the fine print - it is in the welcome banner on the home page of the project. In case you haven’t read it:

“Our goal is to restore the magic and difficulty of the original Everquest game, including the mechanics, interface, and challenges of Original Content, Kunark, and Velious. Project 1999 is the most popular and most accurate reincarnation of Old School Everquest.”

Sadly creating a emu server isn’t as simple as installing the trilogy disc and running server.exe. It has taken a decade to imperfectly recreate up to Velious.

See you in game (whether here or takp).

[Trexller]

also, only playing a single account of any class is boring.

on P99 I gotta play something like enchanter or shaman that is constantly changing spells, always has a job to do in any situation. I could never get into bard, not due to the demanding play style bards require, i find it annoying that my spells only last 18 seconds.

It's chasing the dragon, back in the day i was cool just playing the ol' 2 button rogue, then i needed more and more everquest interaction, I had to stress my brain harder for EQ output to get that fix. Every now and then I load up the 18 box on EZ. <3 macroquest for that.

Boxing meets the entertainment load demand that my super brain requires. Maximum stimulation.

Also when boxing your group mates are never idiots, they never gotta log off early, or ninja afk, or fill group chat with their asinine thoughts. They just sit quietly and fill my xp bar

Also #2, Multi-boxing on P99 is not rare, as a well experienced boxer, i recognize the telltale signs all the time, or rather used to, when blue was alot more active.

[JerPayer]

Most of the comments were helpful (suggesting similar servers that do go beyond SoV) or in agreement. Some reminisced of the early days of the project.

I feel you may have misread the tone should you feel you were being treated meanly. I wholeheartedly apologise if I made you feel uncomfortable in anyway. I just wanted to ask you, in good humour, whether you had considered what you were demanding of others (by demanding it of you). Sorry again if my mirror was upsetting.

You’re right, the fact the server is a huge piece of reverse engineering isn’t in the fine print - it is in the welcome banner on the home page of the project. In case you haven’t read it:

“Our goal is to restore the magic and difficulty of the original Everquest game, including the mechanics, interface, and challenges of Original Content, Kunark, and Velious. Project 1999 is the most popular and most accurate reincarnation of Old School Everquest.”

Sadly creating a emu server isn’t as simple as installing the trilogy disc and running server.exe. It has taken a decade to imperfectly recreate up to Velious.

See you in game (whether here or takp).

Appreciate the empathy.

It was a request, though, not a demand. I just wanted to get a sentiment, which I did, although some more malicious than others. I like P99, and I like the way they manage everything. I just think being on velious for 10 years has a way of diminishing the player base of their intention, which is, in any xpac/mmorph, #1 required.

Still, it doesn't seem like this dream will come true, so I'll stay until I get bored, which is fast approaching, I think.

[Knowledge]

No Luclin+, and get rid of velious.

The end the fame be VP forever.

[Jimjam]

So I can endeavour to be the best possible poster going forward, I’d love it if you could review the thread so far and let me know which posts seemed malicious. This will be really useful information for constructing posts in future topics.

[Tunabros]

No Luclin+, and get rid of velious.

The end the fame be VP forever.

PD only dragon in there worth going for

also VP key sucks ass to do

hope this helps

[Jimjam]

Good time sink for players wanting a post end game grind.

[Tunabros]

imagine 5-6+ years in velious getting BIS only to shit on because everything in luclin is

just better

what a huge slap in the face

[Gustoo]

imagine 5-6+ years in velious getting BIS only to shit on because everything in luclin is

just better

what a huge slap in the face

I agree but that is how it is with Vanilla - > Kunark and Kunark - > Velious

that's why vanilla is the best version of EQ. Every item is relevant and has a good progression. All the sol ro quests and stuff are all worth doing instead of just old obsolete garbage.

Adding luclin to any current P99 server is 1000% guaranteed not to happen. To pull the rug out from all the BIS Velious people is something I don't believe staff would do.

For Blue 3.0 maybe it will be a server that goes to another expac and people can decide whether or not to play there ahead of time. Who knows.

I doubt it though. Live offers an experience close enough to that.

[unsunghero]

Adding luclin to any current P99 server is 1000% guaranteed not to happen. To pull the rug out from all the BIS Velious people is something I don't believe staff would do.


They might

Apparently they decided 10 years later that charm on P99 wasn’t correct, and their change of making cha not effect charm will require a re-gearing to shift cha gear to a part time set for lulling (unless chanters want to waste potential ac/hp for a stat that is doing literally nothing unless they are lulling or blurring)…a complete re-gearing for all enchanters

[Tunabros]

They might

Apparently they decided 10 years later that charm on P99 wasn’t correct, and their change of making cha not effect charm will require a re-gearing to shift cha gear to a part time set for lulling (unless chanters want to waste potential ac/hp for a stat that is doing literally nothing unless they are lulling or blurring)…a complete re-gearing for all enchanters

your a dumbass if you think they will add anything after velious

[unsunghero]

your a dumbass if you think they will add anything after velious

I’m just saying that not wanting to force players to re-gear isn’t a reason for the devs here to not change something

[Jontheripper]

Live has really improved ever since daybreak poached all those black desert online devs.

[JerPayer]

The travel system in vanilla, kunark, and velious SUCKS

Dieing anywhere takes too many hours to go anywhere.

THIS REASON ALONE should be enough to want luclin. Stupid game.

[Tunabros]

The travel system in vanilla, kunark, and velious SUCKS

Dieing anywhere takes too many hours to go anywhere.

THIS REASON ALONE should be enough to want luclin. Stupid game.

sorry you're bad at this game

[JerPayer]

sorry you're bad at this game

=,(