Shawn Woolley

[Fourthmeal]

He died for your EQ sins pals

[Daywolf]

They had him doped up. Anyway, that's not til like Velious, this is only Kunark.

[Fourthmeal]

They had him doped up. Anyway, that's not til like Velious, this is only Kunark.

best response ever

[Diplomacy]

Keep it classy...

[Haul]

6.2+ billion people in the world. I'm unsympathetic toward someone who chooses suicide as a option in life. Not to mention he was a overweight and depressed failure of a human being who contributed jack shit to society. Real talk.

[Zeelot]

Fun fact:

The 20-yearold had shot himself in the head while, playing a game. His virtual character stood motionless on the screen, its name "ILUVYOU'. Elizabeth [woolley] believes Shawn proposed marriage to someone in the virtual world and was rejected. He quit his job and bought a gun after suffering a jolt of despair.

[Pico]

6.2+ billion people in the world. I'm unsympathetic toward someone who chooses suicide as a option in life. Not to mention he was a overweight and depressed failure of a human being who contributed jack shit to society. Real talk.

edgy as fuuuuuuuck

[Swish]

6.2+ billion people in the world. I'm unsympathetic toward someone who chooses suicide as a option in life. Not to mention he was a overweight and depressed failure of a human being who contributed jack shit to society. Real talk.

I'm sure the person committing suicide really gives two fucks what other people think :rolleyes:

[Taryth]

I'm sure the person committing suicide really gives two fucks what other people think :rolleyes:

But . . .but he was real-talking (really talking? talking in the real?) against the dead :(

[Ihealyou]

Are the devs planning to implement this, or are they going to continue to cherry pick which features to add?

[Messianic]

I'm sure the person committing suicide really gives two fucks what other people think :rolleyes:

Actually, most of them do...

Are the devs planning to implement this, or are they going to continue to cherry pick which features to add?

Dude, you're hilarious...

[baalzy]

Ihealyou in with the thread save.

[Fourthmeal]

HE DIED FOR YOUR SINS!!! BOW TO YOUR SAVIOR

[Dravingar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxWikGEC9rE

Makes me laugh everytime.

[Daywolf]

...maybe he saw the trailer for SoL? ya think?!?

[Ennoia]

This entire thread is super fucking inappropriate, even for you degenerate fucks (I'm looking at you Zeelot and Fagmeal). For fuck's sake have some Goddam respect. Do you ever stop to think maybe if someone was a little nicer to that kid he wouldn't have shot himself over a fucking game?

Keep living in your little fucking bubbles in front of your computers where nothing can possibly go wrong and you don't have to deal with the world. It fucking sucks, but you know what? It would suck even worse if the general populous has to deal with you assholes.

[Knuckle]

This entire thread is super fucking inappropriate, even for you degenerate fucks (I'm looking at you Zeelot and Fagmeal). For fuck's sake have some Goddam respect. Do you ever stop to think maybe if someone was a little nicer to that kid he wouldn't have shot himself over a fucking game?

Keep living in your little fucking bubbles in front of your computers where nothing can possibly go wrong and you don't have to deal with the world. It fucking sucks, but you know what? It would suck even worse if the general populous has to deal with you assholes.

maybe one day we can all shoot rainbows out of our ass like you.

[Koota]

This entire thread is super fucking inappropriate, even for you degenerate fucks (I'm looking at you Zeelot and Fagmeal). For fuck's sake have some Goddam respect. Do you ever stop to think maybe if someone was a little nicer to that kid he wouldn't have shot himself over a fucking game?

Keep living in your little fucking bubbles in front of your computers where nothing can possibly go wrong and you don't have to deal with the world. It fucking sucks, but you know what? It would suck even worse if the general populous has to deal with you assholes.


How is pointing out someone for being irrational, selfish, obsessed, and wildly impulsive (obv~) inappropriate? Is it because with all the aforementioned in mind resulted in the taking of his own life? Fucking kidding me right now? While I agree that this sort of thread should be in the rants in flames, you're fucking delusional if you think any tact is to be had over this decade old dust ridden story. It wasn't the first, and for fucks sake, won't be the last. Your morals blow some incredible fantasies of greener pastures in your thick skull. Especially this sort of typical dumb shit coming from you.

Proceed to call everyone and anyone out for not agreeing with you, lashing out for the littlest of shit, and being morally bankrupt given your tone and demeanor you take over an 11 year old game (see: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=302951&postcount=6) , but the SECOND it involves someone you dont fucking know that happened to result in the loss of a life, you go high ground? maybe if someone was a little nicer to that kid he wouldn't have shot himself over a fucking game?

Fucking please.

[Taryth]

Proceed to call everyone and anyone out for not agreeing with you, lashing out for the littlest of shit, and being morally bankrupt given your tone and demeanor you take over an 11 year old game (see: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=302951&postcount=6) , but the SECOND it involves someone you dont fucking know that happened to result in the loss of a life, you go high ground?

Fucking please.

Was going to post links to several of his more assiduous posts, and say basically the same thing you did. What a joke this guy is. I guess because the people he belittles haven't killed themselves yet, it's ok to degrade them . . .until one of them kills themselves.


And for the record- talking shit on people who have killed themselves over something so inane as EQ isn't beyond the realms of decency imo. Have you ever joked/laughed about David Carradine's death, even though it was still someone losing their life?

[Excision Rottun]

http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/csi-miami-carradine.jpg

[Ennoia]

And for the record- talking shit on people who have killed themselves over something so inane as EQ isn't beyond the realms of decency imo. Have you ever joked/laughed about David Carradine's death, even though it was still someone losing their life?

Totally different situation to make fun of an old sex pervert that died in an accident than it is to make fun of some kid who killed himself because he didn't want to be alone anymore.

[Slathar]

All hail Ennoia, defender of the nerd-suicider and bringer of morals to a 12-year old MMORPG message board. The world will truly remember your contributions.

[Daywolf]

maybe if someone was a little nicer to that kid he wouldn't have shot himself over a fucking game?You mean his gf that would not marry him? A game has nothing to do with it, but the drugs I would say did it. That prescription crap is very dangerous, as well are young gf's mixed in with that. Killing oneself over a keyboard playing EQ is simply a " :p "statement grabbing attention... not understanding that it does not matter to him at that point because life and death are real.

Anyway, we'll just patently wait for Velious and see, eh?
:p

[Haul]

Totally different situation to make fun of an old sex pervert that died in an accident than it is to make fun of some kid who killed himself because he didn't want to be alone anymore.

Killed himself because he didn't want to be alone anymore? Sounds emo.

[Seeatee]

I know the anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in everyone.

but holy fuck, this was a human being, with a family, how the fuck would you ghouls feel if this was your kid? or someone you knew?

no matter how you slice it, no matter how you try and sugar coat it and make light about it, this was a tragedy, some poor weak minded kid who in all likely hood was very sick mentally and needed help desperately took his own life over a game - it is NOT funny , at all.

this crosses a line, and if you don't think it crosses a line, then this generation is far worse off than I initially thought.

:(

[Daywolf]

then this generation is far worse off than I initially thought.heh yeah illiterate. :p:p:p

[Slathar]

I know the anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in everyone.

but holy fuck, this was a human being, with a family, how the fuck would you ghouls feel if this was your kid? or someone you knew?

no matter how you slice it, no matter how you try and sugar coat it and make light about it, this was a tragedy, some poor weak minded kid who in all likely hood was very sick mentally and needed help desperately took his own life over a game - it is NOT funny , at all.

this crosses a line, and if you don't think it crosses a line, then this generation is far worse off than I initially thought.

:(

and yet the equivalent of two Boeing 747s smashing into the side of a mountain happen every day in Africa due to easily cured diseases. I'll keep my sympathy for people who actually deserve it, not someone who had opportunities that most can only dream about. Go preach about 1st world problems elsewhere.

[Dravingar]

I know the anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in everyone.

but holy fuck, this was a human being, with a family, how the fuck would you ghouls feel if this was your kid? or someone you knew?

no matter how you slice it, no matter how you try and sugar coat it and make light about it, this was a tragedy, some poor weak minded kid who in all likely hood was very sick mentally and needed help desperately took his own life over a game - it is NOT funny , at all.

this crosses a line, and if you don't think it crosses a line, then this generation is far worse off than I initially thought.

:(

Darwinism my friend.

[nalkin]

and yet the equivalent of two Boeing 747s smashing into the side of a mountain happen every day in Africa due to easily cured diseases. I'll keep my sympathy for people who actually deserve it, not someone who had opportunities that most can only dream about. Go preach about 1st world problems elsewhere.

pretty much sums it up. This guy chose to take his life, why should we care? He could have had a good life and didn't(by his choice), there are many people who never get that opportunity.

[Ennoia]

and yet the equivalent of two Boeing 747s smashing into the side of a mountain happen every day in Africa due to easily cured diseases. I'll keep my sympathy for people who actually deserve it, not someone who had opportunities that most can only dream about. Go preach about 1st world problems elsewhere.

Depression is a disease, dude.

[Daywolf]

Depression is a disease, dude.
It's like, guys that jump out of tall buildings, it's because the building is too tall. Damn those tall buildings! Hey it's in the paper, "dude jumps off of tall building!" Must be improper city zoning of course! :D

Dude jumps off bridge? Nah, just a little splash, no one wants to hear that, wont make the paper. But BLOOD and GUTS all over the sidewalk to the horror of all?!? Front page news, and gf that said "eww, your weird" hears it for years. There is just no way of avoiding the obvious.

[Seeatee]

Depression is a disease, dude.

this.

depression can be as much of a life threatening disease as what those poor unfortunate kids in Africa have.

they are both terrible, and neither is more tragic than the other because they were both brought on by a sickness that could have been cured, or at the very least treated.

[Slathar]

this.

depression can be as much of a life threatening disease as what those poor unfortunate kids in Africa have.

they are both terrible, and neither is more tragic than the other because they were both brought on by a sickness that could have been cured, or at the very least treated.

hahahahahaha.

Are you seriously comparing an over-pampered American kid to an impoverished 3rd world kid?

[Slathar]

Depression is a disease, dude.

Where did I say it wasn't?

[xshayla701]

Fucking terrible thread. I don't give a shit whether you think suicide is a cop-out, maybe it is. But if someone feels so bad about their life that they end it themselves, it's more than being "emo." It's no less sad than any other way of dying. You don't make fucking jokes about it, it is NEVER funny.

[nalkin]

Fucking terrible thread. I don't give a shit whether you think suicide is a cop-out, maybe it is. But if someone feels so bad about their life that they end it themselves, it's more than being "emo." It's no less sad than any other way of dying. You don't make fucking jokes about it, it is NEVER funny.

Its not funny but its not sad and if anything it is insulting. Thousands of people die from things they can't do anything about on a daily basis and this guy had any opportunity to change things. Many people do not have a chance to change their position no matter how hard they try... that is sad. This is not sad because he could have done something and he didn't, so who cares. If anything it is insulting to the millions of people who die without ever being able to have such an opportunity.

Like me ol' friend swearengen used to say,
"Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. "

[Taryth]

I simply disagree. I'm not religious, and yet suicide has to rank up as one of the most terrible "sins" one can commit against one's loved ones. Wasting life like that- depressed or not- after your parent/s and everyone around you have invested so much . . .that's entirely fucked up and I have no pity nor sympathy.

Not like their around to feel shitty about being made fun of anyway, now is it? Respect given where respect is due, someone who is willing to wound everyone they knew in such a manner does not deserve my reverence. Just like David Carradine doesn't.

[xshayla701]

You clearly don't know of anyone who has attempted or committed suicide if it isn't "sad" to you. Yeah they could have changed it, they could have made their lives better. And no doubt they should have taken the alternative. But their life was, to them, not worth changing. That is plain fucking sad, and you are either just being difficult/trolling or just ignorant if you think suicide isn't sad.


not even going to reply to this anymore, such a bad thread

[Koota]

You clearly don't know of anyone who has attempted or committed suicide if it isn't "sad" to you. Yeah they could have changed it, they could have made their lives better. And no doubt they should have taken the alternative. But their life was, to them, not worth changing. That is plain fucking sad, and you are either just being difficult/trolling or just ignorant if you think suicide isn't sad.


not even going to reply to this anymore, such a bad thread


Come on now. He's ignorant because he doesn't believe what you believe? Sounds kind of like ignorance to me. You know Im not trying to pick on you, really, but I lost my father to suicide, basically. It's not SAD the fact that he did it. It's SAD that he's no longer here. But his method of doing so doesn't draw any sympathy from even his own son. I think that's the difference here. Nobody is saying that it's not sad he is gone or it's sad that his parents have to deal with him not being around on holidays. It's just that it's not sad the method he went out on. Regardless of the reasons.

[Taryth]

Actually, my mom attempted twice while I was still attending high school. I don't personally know anyone who has actually succeeded.

But keep on your high horse. Your morals are superior.
I obviously have a different cultural view on suicide than you do.

[Fourthmeal]

Shawn Woolley died for somebodies sins but not mine

[Pico]

Come on now. He's ignorant because he doesn't believe what you believe? Sounds kind of like ignorance to me. You know Im not trying to pick on you, really, but I lost my father to suicide, basically. It's not SAD the fact that he did it. It's SAD that he's no longer here. But his method of doing so doesn't draw any sympathy from even his own son. I think that's the difference here. Nobody is saying that it's not sad he is gone or it's sad that his parents have to deal with him not being around on holidays. It's just that it's not sad the method he went out on. Regardless of the reasons.

my uncle has parkinson's which sent him into a deep depression and resulted in him attempting suicide (failed though, thank jesus). he's always been my favourite uncle and just thinking about how dark of a place he was/is in makes me too sad for words. so yes, the fact that your dad did commit suicide is very very sad.

Where did I say it wasn't?

you agree that depression is a disease but you have no sympathy for it's sufferers? I love this notion out there that you have 'save' your sympathy for deserving people as if there's not enough to go around or that anyone even gives a shit

i was gonna say i can't believe i even had to make this post but then i remembered these were the p99 boards oh ya

[Ennoia]

You clearly don't know of anyone who has attempted or committed suicide if it isn't "sad" to you. Yeah they could have changed it, they could have made their lives better. And no doubt they should have taken the alternative. But their life was, to them, not worth changing. That is plain fucking sad, and you are either just being difficult/trolling or just ignorant if you think suicide isn't sad.


not even going to reply to this anymore, such a bad thread

Not necessarily true...once the brain stops producing endorphins and serotonin it's pretty much over.

[Amelinda]

but holy fuck, this was a human being, with a family, how the fuck would you ghouls feel if this was your kid? or someone you knew?

no matter how you slice it, no matter how you try and sugar coat it and make light about it, this was a tragedy, some poor weak minded kid who in all likely hood was very sick mentally and needed help desperately took his own life over a game - it is NOT funny , at all.

this crosses a line, and if you don't think it crosses a line, then this generation is far worse off than I initially thought.

:(


depression can be as much of a life threatening disease as what those poor unfortunate kids in Africa have.


Fucking terrible thread. I don't give a shit whether you think suicide is a cop-out, maybe it is. But if someone feels so bad about their life that they end it themselves, it's more than being "emo." It's no less sad than any other way of dying. You don't make fucking jokes about it, it is NEVER funny.

It's more than being emo. It's tragic.

NOW I'm done with this thread.

[Hoggen]

I knew a guy that thought celebrities were stalking him. He went through years of therapy, was on a myriad of illegal and prescribed drugs, and eventually shot himself in the head at age 36.

There are people that look under every moveable object they encounter because they are worried their daughter may be under it. It doesn't matter if it's the size of a pea or a house. They just think their daughter might be under it.

This guy may not have been as nuts as the two cases I described, but when your brain is broken, it's like any other part of you being broken. If you try to use it, you will fail. It's like trying to walk when you are paralyzed.

You can tell such people "you're imagining things. You just need to snap out of it. You're crazy. Seek help." It won't change that their brains don't work right.

As to people in Africa dying of disease..

There are a ton of failed social conventions in tribal societies that lead to the deaths of millions there. Ebola spread much more easily because of the tradition of physically contacting dead relatives during burial rites. Ebola and AIDS are theorized to have originated from the practice of eating primates (ebola from gorillas, AIDS from a species of monkey). AIDS spread more easily because of the tradition of widows being taken in by male relatives of their dead husbands, who then used them as wives; and also because of the high prevalence of prostitution in many of the areas where it became epidemic.
While these traditions aren't mental illness, practicing them in the face of the results borders on it. If you have sympathy for them, and not the mentally ill, you're just being illogical.

[Shannacore]

Nalkin is dumb.

[Taryth]

Only one idiot in this thread has uttered the word "emo" in a pejorative fashion. Justed wanted to point that out- unless every "stormy" post that mentions the emo thing is aimed directly at that poster.


Arguing that suicide is unavoidable- that it is not a choice- is beyond ridiculous. Perhaps you don't hold it against people who are extremely rude on a regular basis . . .after all, they're born/raised with those emotional & behavioral patterns.
But does that stop you from getting angry with them and occasionally having words?


Suicide is a choice, and it's fucked up. I feel sympathy for the family and other loved ones, not the one who is beyond consciousness.

[Pico]

Only one idiot in this thread has uttered the word "emo" in a pejorative fashion. Justed wanted to point that out- unless every "stormy" post that mentions the emo thing is aimed directly at that poster.


Arguing that suicide is unavoidable- that it is not a choice- is beyond ridiculous. Perhaps you don't hold it against people who are extremely rude on a regular basis . . .after all, they're born/raised with those emotional & behavioral patterns.
But does that stop you from getting angry with them and occasionally having words?


Suicide is a choice, and it's fucked up. I feel sympathy for the family and other loved ones, not the one who is beyond consciousness.

yea man why can't those depressed fucks bootstrap their way outta their mental illness

[Koota]

yea man why can't those depressed fucks bootstrap their way outta their mental illness


Yeah man, why can't we just classify everyone under the same umbrella of "crippling, incapable" illness. I mean shit, it just makes sense to do so.

[Taryth]

yea man why can't those depressed fucks bootstrap their way outta their mental illness

Are you implying that depression is, in fact, "incurable?" (since we're calling it a disease)

[Pico]

Yeah man, why can't we just classify everyone under the same umbrella of "crippling, incapable" illness. I mean shit, it just makes sense to do so.

yes, i would call depression severe enough to lead to suicide a crippling illness, what the fuck would you call it?

[Pico]

Are you implying that depression is, in fact, "incurable?" (since we're calling it a disease)

definitely not incurable, but after some of the bitterness and hatred spewed in this thread you can't see why someone would sooner choose to bottle it up rather than face such patronization?

[Koota]

yes, i would call depression severe enough to lead to suicide a crippling illness, what the fuck would you call it?


You're missing the point here. Way over your head, obviously. Depression isn't full blown monkey saliva AIDS. It's not a sealed deal like, "Oh shit he's depressed, this one is either going to medicate in a Dairy Queen Blizzard or put a bullet in his grapefruit."

It's like saying the common cold is severe enough to lead to death. Sure, any fucking thing is possible, genius.

[Pico]

You're missing the point here. Way over your head, obviously. Depression isn't full blown monkey saliva AIDS. It's not a sealed deal like, "Oh shit he's depressed, this one is either going to medicate in a Dairy Queen Blizzard or put a bullet in his grapefruit."

It's like saying the common cold is severe enough to lead to death. Sure, any fucking thing is possible, genius.


haha what? you're the one completely missing the point, maybe you need to reread my post you quoted or something. you were all talking about people who committed suicide. in these cases, their depression or what have you was obviously severe and crippling.

i don't ever remember saying everyone who has depression will put a bullet in their grapefruit, if you could point it out to me that would be swell.

[Daywolf]

Are you implying that depression is, in fact, "incurable?" (since we're calling it a disease)
For some it is, though not a disease but genetic; those that deal with it all the time. Thing is, everyone gets bouts of depression at one time or another, often due to chemical imbalance or just learning to deal with situations. Any person here is potentially at some point on a doctors prescription recommendation and labeled as having some incurable lifelong disease (~98% misdiagnosis). Meds are highly over prescribed and they are dangerous with their horrid side effects that alter the mind for everyone differently (which can cause suicidal thoughts). In most cases, it's simply about proper diet and exercise for the fix. But meds are big business, and telling someone to at least just get out and get fresh air is anti-productive for the industry.

[Fourthmeal]

He died for your sins

[eastadam55]

He even got rejected on the internet, sad life.

[Estolcles]

definitely not incurable, but after some of the bitterness and hatred spewed in this thread you can't see why someone would sooner choose to bottle it up rather than face such patronization?


This.

[Bardalicious]

definitely not incurable, but after some of the bitterness and hatred spewed in this thread you can't see why someone would sooner choose to bottle it up rather than face such patronization?


^^


To someone that hasn't seen nor felt the effects of severe depression, it's fairly easy to patronize another human being over this invisible illness. Despite this being an anonymous medium for communication, the fact that there is very little compassion here speaks enormously to the character of the inhabitants of this forum.

It's quite possible that this person was ashamed of the way he felt in the early stages of his depression. It gets to the point where it's difficult to get out of bed or complete mundane tasks that normal individuals don't think a second about on a daily basis. To say that he should have "seized his opportunities, bucked up and worked through it" is pretty laughable. If he had the same opportunities as you or I, I guess he wouldn't have gotten to the point in which he was so chemically imbalanced that he'd convince himself that ending his own life was a better alternative than waking up every day to relive the same nightmare.

I've seen loved ones and close friends go through varying stages of depression, and it's not as trivial as you people seem to pass it off as being. Though I'm not sure why I'm arguing this point with people who are obviously not quite normalized themselves, evident by the need to degrade someone that's committed suicide for comic relief and/or validation to their own lives.

[deneauth]

After reading all the posts in here i am still confused, i thought some hippie named jesus died for our sins?

http://www.visionandpsychosis.net/Everquest_connection.htm

Don't know how true it is, but games don't kill people. Just my opinion. I have been pretty depressed before myself but suicide.... c'mon.

[Ennoia]

After reading all the posts in here i am still confused, i thought some hippie named jesus died for our sins?

http://www.visionandpsychosis.net/Everquest_connection.htm

Don't know how true it is, but games don't kill people. Just my opinion. I have been pretty depressed before myself but suicide.... c'mon.

I could spend the next 6 hours with a discussion on why your statement 'games don't kill people' is both correct and incorrect, but I have to go to a meeting soon. The short version is it's possible. Chemical reactions in the brain and whatnot.

[deneauth]

When you get time to read the article tell me what you think.

[Hailto]

So this article is essentially saying that Shawn Woolley killed hismelf not due to the game but because he had prolonged movement in his peripheral vision...really?

[Alex]

So this article is essentially saying that Shawn Woolley killed hismelf not due to the game but because he had a profound bowel movement...really?

Correct

[Fourthmeal]

he died for your sins

[deneauth]

So this article is essentially saying that Shawn Woolley killed hismelf not due to the game but because he had prolonged movement in his peripheral vision...really?

Yeah I am not agreeing with that article at all. I don't know how true or untrue it is but I thought it would give people something to read while staying on topic.

[Csihar]

I have been pretty depressed before myself but suicide.... c'mon.

= felt shitty for 2 weeks?

Serious question. People who commit suicide while depressed have usually had a chronic clinical depression for over a year. I rarely see people who have even a basic understanding of the psychology behind it or that even know the difference between "feeling depressed" and suffering from a clinical depression. Message boards are usually the worst. See Koota and Taryth.

It's not a case of opinion, it's comprehending what a clinical depression is. Depression is not a disease but it's a mental disorder. You can loosely compare it to schizophrenia. People who suffer from a chronic clinical depression have a sick though pattern.

But too surrious for this board. You mad brah?

[Fourthmeal]

Nothing wrong with suicide in my book. It's your life, you can end it whenever you want. I mean, you gonna die anyway, might as well choose how and when. It's not like you're really gonna miss out on anything. I mean, another war or two, Steelers winning the Superbowl again... shit is BORING.

[Taryth]

You make many assumptions Csihar. There's nothing I can really say to prove that I've been clinically depressed before. In lieu of a drawn out response, I'll simply state that I have personal experience- years of it.

Suicide is a choice. I've been there, and the fact that there are many people in the world who are currently depressed, and not dead, proves my point that depression is not a death sentence. It predisposes one to rash acts, such as suicide, but it is by no means a sure thing- and that's all I'm arguing against. I'm not belittling depression, or depressed people.

[visage]

Totally different situation to make fun of an old sex pervert that died in an accident than it is to make fun of some kid who killed himself because he didn't want to be alone anymore.

I get what your saying. Course the highroad would to just not participate in this topic. However, I know you like being outspoken. Therefore I get it. With that being said and not to beat a dead horse or anything. But, "You mad bro?"

[Csihar]

the fact that there are many people in the world who are currently depressed, and not dead, proves my point that depression is not a death sentence. It predisposes one to rash acts, such as suicide, but it is by no means a sure thing- and that's all I'm arguing against. I'm not belittling depression, or depressed people.

=/=

I simply disagree. I'm not religious, and yet suicide has to rank up as one of the most terrible "sins" one can commit against one's loved ones. Wasting life like that- depressed or not- after your parent/s and everyone around you have invested so much . . .that's entirely fucked up and I have no pity nor sympathy.

Not like their around to feel shitty about being made fun of anyway, now is it? Respect given where respect is due, someone who is willing to wound everyone they knew in such a manner does not deserve my reverence. Just like David Carradine doesn't.

Nay to this:

Suicide is a choice.

There is your thought pattern that informs your decisions. Knowledge, or lack therefore, informs your decisions. Past experiences inform your decision. The reasons for your depression play a role. The things you (both realistically and unrealistically) have to look forward to play a role. [I hope you know what I'm getting it, I don't really feel like putting in the effort to write that out properly]. Your depression isn't everyone elses depression and your suicidal phase wasn't everyone's suicidal phase. Besides that, a person can simply be going through a particularly dark period and have a single moment of weakness.

It's kind of like the poor person making something out of himself and thinking "if I did it, all those other poor people can as well, therefore they are lazy/unwilling etc." It is a lot more complicated than that.

I take issue with a person needing to suffer through something for the sake of others (unless it's their children).

Also, as a serious depression tends to leave permanent "scars" if you will, I hope you've managed to leave most things behind.