What is your opinion on an "ideal" society or system?

[mcoy]

There have been numerous political threads, some of which I found to be interesting reading material. This leads me to beg the question - what is your idea for an ideal society?

When I turned 18 I got a Gillette razor in the mail for registering for the US Selective Service. Would a firearm have been more appropriate?

Several countries have legalized/decriminalized all drugs. Should my local convenience store have an aisle of "recreation"?

The Rural Electrification Administration arguably benefited everyone impacted. Maybe something similar for communications / Internet connectivity is warrranted?

In some areas if access to your own means of conveyance in a "reasonable" amount of time isn't available you'd be unable to secure employment. Or, there are areas where public transit is just there; you don't even think about it. Is access to a system that is reliable, reasonably on-time, and affordable (even free) something you would provide?

Healthcare is a hot topic. Some countries provide all care, others a level of care where additional choices are available for cost, or in some cases all care is paid for by the recipient or their subscribed provider. Which would you prescribe?

Funding for all these is of course a question. How is taxation handled? For that matter, how does compensation work? Does everyone work for themselves, everyone else, or a combination of these? Is it commodity-based or fiat? Even Star Trek had the unreplicatable "latinum" pressed into worthless gold. What does an ideal currency entail?

How are leaders chosen? Birthright was considered sufficient for ages. Elections, both popular and representative, are common now. Maybe AI handles the decision-making?

What does your penal system look like? Executions, internment, fines or other penalties?

Welfare, education, retirement - there are so many topics. I invite your contributions and welcome your arguments.

Does your vision resemble those opined by Bradbury, Huxley, Orwell, Rand, or Roddenberry? There are many I'm not familiar with.

Mcoy

[Elizondo]

Hmmm

Probably a place that isn't like San Francisco

I'm not too cool with human doo doo all over the streets

[Whale biologist]

I like that you put Rand with the sci-fi writers, nice touch. :)

[Elizondo]

I was readin some chatter from the hammer and sickle voters regarding this 3.5T bill that the bluedogs want to pass to finally bring utopia

They were sayin it was 'relief' for the taxpayers

it made me realize we'll never have an ideal society with low IQ peeps like that who are allowed to vote

[Jibartik]

America but where corporations fail.

[JurisDictum]

Human Nature creates problems in society that we are figuring out how to solve. For a long time, we couldn't get past the phase where one warlord controlled everything as a tyrant with a club.

At that point we wouldn't know anything like a modern society is possible. As of right now, I think we are pretty ignorant of what a really good society will or could look like in the future. It might even be very hard to accept if someone from the future traveled back in time and showed us exactly how it works and why its clearly better.

The biggest problem is what we call the "collective action" problem in game theory. Humans trouble doing something as a group that would make them all better off, because each individual considers their own interest first. The result is a worse situation for all.

Essentially, you want a society that actually does address the collective action problem. One that doesn't sweep it under the rug with some kind of totalitarian gaslighting, and actually gets people to willingly act in a way that provides the greatest utility overall, while not violating any widely agreed-upon human principals (like harvesting organs from the living for the "greater good").

[Nocht]

Ill take what the Ewoks had.

[Elizondo]

Ill take what the Ewoks had.

Or the Eloi without the Morlocks

Every chick was smokin hot and stupid

[Nocht]

I just want to Yub Nub

[imperiouskitten]

Having seen what humans who were raised up in a social democracy deserve, I am feeling distinctly royalist sympathies this eve

[Tunabros]

Having seen what humans who were raised up in a social democracy deserve, I am feeling distinctly royalist sympathies this eve

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[Horza]

I was readin some chatter from the hammer and sickle voters regarding this 3.5T bill that the bluedogs want to pass to finally bring utopia

They were sayin it was 'relief' for the taxpayers

it made me realize we'll never have an ideal society with low IQ peeps like that who are allowed to vote

Large scale disenfranchisement is conservatives only remaining hope of holding onto power.

[Jibartik]

Large scale disenfranchisement is conservatives only remaining hope of holding onto power.

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[Nexii]

Having seen what humans who were raised up in a social democracy deserve, I am feeling distinctly royalist sympathies this eve

Meritocracy where the top get monarchist titles. Trials stratify who gets to breed (citizens) or not (aspirants). Basic food and shelter are provided for all. No other government spending/taxation on social programs outside of that. Aside from military, I suppose. The kingdom would need to pay academics to train soldiers, and soldiers themselves. Wealth based taxation only, no income taxation.

Most importantly, more communal style living areas. Dissolution of the nuclear family. Instead something more resembling our natural tribal state.

Summary execution for serious crimes. Otherwise restitution. No jails.

Overall very militaristic yet communal with anti-wealth vibes. Valuing strength and community over having more things

[Mesocyclone]

In an ideal society you wouldn't have 80 year old overpowered megacorrupt and megawealthy congressperson who had been in power since 1987. They'd all have 4 year term limits just like the President. 2 terms and you're out for good. And may not hold any more gov't offices thereafter.

In an ideal society dynasties like Bush and Clinton could never comeabout to exist.

[starkind]

Feudalism.

[Homesteaded]

It appears many humans desire a King. Others have pointed out that there are just too many dum dums who want to be lead by an authority.

[Homesteaded]

Large scale disenfranchisement is conservatives only remaining hope of holding onto power.

You’re insane.

[starkind]

It appears many humans desire a King. Others have pointed out that there are just too many dum dums who want to be lead by an authority.

I don't disagree. Weak kings should be unseated by strong kings tho. And there should always be a ton of kings, and queens. And they should be mostly autonomous.

Should being the operative word.

We lack the martial will and discipline to effectively create and maintain such a world, as we've become fat, and weak, yet enslaved to powers beyond most peoples comprehension.

[Mesocyclone]

It appears many humans desire a King. Others have pointed out that there are just too many dum dums who want to be lead by an authority.

God Almighty is the only King. And King of kings. He 'died' so that you might have free will. But when you are two again, what shall you do?!!!

[Whale biologist]

It appears many humans desire a King. Others have pointed out that there are just too many dum dums who want to be lead by an authority.

republicans used to be about overthrowing monarchs to break the shackes off their thralls

nowadays Republicans are making orb deals with them

https://i.imgur.com/3re6vjP.jpg

[Toxigen]

Old school New Hampshire before all the lefty idiots from Mass raided the state.

Live Free or Die

[Jibartik]

2 men enter. 1 man leaves.

[Whale biologist]

2 men enter. 1 man leaves.

Do they bundle their rods together? Idgi

[starkind]

It's tree of life stuff.

Men weren't meant to make babies tho.

[unsunghero]

Too involved of a question, I’ll only offer some things:

1. More than 2 political parties. This seems almost impossible to get right, because two or more can just pile into 1 to win elections. But hey it’s a utopia scenario right?

2. A less polarized society with actual checks and balances. Checks and balances lately either doesn’t exist or just means pure obstruction. And our current polarized society needs someone to secede. But hey, once again this is utopia scenario

3. All drugs legalized with involuntary substance abuse treatment becoming a thing. If you are on the verge of killing yourself or just wasting away shitting on the streets due to your drug addiction, or you commit crimes to further your drug habit, you can be forced by a judge into a treatment program. It would be probably a miserable place to be and work at because you’d have all these people withdrawing off their drug and all the mood problems that creates, but also these people would have pre-existing mental health issues. Staff would be likely be assaulted often, so would need to be paid handsomely. Luckily if this is a hospital/rehab type setting, counseling mental health treatment would all be here in one place as well. Your ability to leave would be case by case basis based on progress/risk with ethical limits (even zero progress should never mean permanent or super long term committal)

4. Penal system: this is tough, because how do you remove the gang element of prisons. Obviously a much greater focus on rehabilitation and especially on in-prison violence prevention. Prison should still exist, obviously not for drugs since I addressed that above, but I would suggest even more prisons where the most violent and aggressive could be spread out as much as possible and not piled together

5. Healthcare is whatever funding allows. This is kind of a dumb question because obviously with an infinite money scenario everyone should get the best healthcare. So if this is a utopia then boom that question is done. But is this realistic to fund? Dunno

6. Taxation. Can’t tax the broke, obviously, what’s the point? Current taxation scaling up based on income seems reasonable to me. The harder you try to tax wealth, the more everyone is going to try to legally avoid it. Just natural human behavior to try to preserve a certain quality of life they want…which is of course perceived as “greed” to some people when we are talking about specific figures of money

That’s all for now

[Jibartik]

9yDL0AKUCKo

[Nocht]

Bust a deal face the wheel!

[A Knight]

Sorry, but not sorry for more "crazy" conversations. Please don't ask me if I see a psychologist. No one is real so I will never trust anyone. I'm really trying to get to the point of what I'm saying, but its hard to say that without going to Satan court for each sentence or whatever.

I'm being tortured in a fake reality on social security, so the math formula in my world could equal, Socialism = true.

But in the real world, the secret society, which is probably royalty, probably invented everything in a 20,000 year holy war against zombie peasants. So in the real world it might equal, Capitalism = true.

I've said before the debate between Capitalism and Socialism is between you all (Referring to just someone else. Not specially you on project 1999.) and the Royalty/Secret Society.

But I could be a biased white guy, but I don't want to shit on Conservatives religion of Capitalism while it happens, if it happens.

Added later: I feel like saying this is playing Russian Roulette with getting banned from project 1999. Please don't ban me I <3 EQ too much. But I gotta try to not be such a B**** slave of hell one day. Also, you all are not real anyway so hopefully this fades away magically and doesn't matter.

I already feel like I have to go to Satan court for saying you all are not real.

[Whale biologist]

Sorry, but not sorry for more "crazy" conversations. Please don't ask me if I see a psychologist. No one is real so I will never trust anyone. I'm really trying to get to the point of what I'm saying, but its hard to say that without going to Satan court for each sentence or whatever.

I'm being tortured in a fake reality on social security, so the math formula in my world could equal, Socialism = true.

But in the real world, the secret society, which is probably royalty, probably invented everything in a 20,000 year holy war against zombie peasants. So in the real world it might equal, Capitalism = true.

I've said before the debate between Capitalism and Socialism is between you all (Referring to just someone else. Not specially you on project 1999.) and the Royalty/Secret Society.

But I could be a biased white guy, but I don't want to shit on Conservatives religion of Capitalism while it happens, if it happens.

Added later: I feel like saying this is playing Russian Roulette with getting banned from project 1999. Please don't ban me I <3 EQ too much. But I gotta try to not be such a B**** slave of hell one day. Also, you all are not real anyway so hopefully this fades away magically and doesn't matter.

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[Mesocyclone]

Ideal society: no pain, suffering hunger, thirst, or death forever. Anything else is a damned existence, i.e. reality is damned.

[starkind]

mkrk9mzQLno

Is this a tasteyful new form of euthanasia?

[Olive00]

ideal society couldn't exist

[starkind]

Farscape Peacekeepers.

https://i.imgur.com/mZRvrVz.jpg