Does shaman haste stack with haste items?

[Tunabros]

I know haste items stack with bard songs (i think) but do shaman haste spells stack

with items like fbss, RBG, or EoP?

Thanks for reading

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I know haste items stack with bard songs (i think) but do shaman haste spells stack

with items like fbss, RBG, or EoP?

Thanks for reading

Haste that stacks:
1. Your best haste spell you have on (This includes the shaman line of haste spells).
2. Your best haste item you have equipped (If you have a 10% haste item equipped and a 21% haste item equipped, your worn haste is 21%).
3. The best bard haste song being played if you are grouped with a bard or multiple bards.

For example, if You have FBSS and Silver Chitin Hand Wraps equipped, and Celerity buffed on yourself, you will have 72% haste. That is 50% haste from Celerity, and 22% haste from the Silver Chitin Hand Wraps, since that is the best haste item equipped.

This assumes Celerity was cast at sufficient level to give the full haste, and you aren't level capped on haste. If you were grouped with a bard, you would be at 72% haste + whatever haste the bard is giving you.

[Nono]

Bard haste is the same as spell haste.

Modifying Deathsilkymist's example, if you have ALACRITY(40%) and SCHW(22%), that's 62% haste. If a bard is using Villia's Chorus of Celerity(45%), the effective haste is 67% because the bard haste is considered the highest effective spell haste.

The only exception is the Ervaj line. The v2 overhaste will stack with spell haste and worn haste. It does NOT exceed the haste cap of 100% on P99.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Bard haste is the same as spell haste.

Modifying Deathsilkymist's example, if you have ALACRITY(40%) and SCHW(22%), that's 62% haste. If a bard is using Villia's Chorus of Celerity(45%), the effective haste is 67% because the bard haste is considered the highest effective spell haste.

The only exception is the Ervaj line. The v2 overhaste will stack with spell haste and worn haste. It does NOT exceed the haste cap of 100% on P99.

Ah yes! Thank you for the correction. I always just assume we are referring to Ervaj when talking about stacking bard haste, but I really should specify to be clear.

[Tunabros]

so could i get a cloak of crystalline water, use eyepatch haste, then shaman haste?

or does that not count, im not too sure on this

[DeathsSilkyMist]

so could i get a cloak of crystalline water, use eyepatch haste, then shaman haste?

or does that not count, im not too sure on this

No, Eyepatch haste is also Spell haste. Eyepatch haste is only good when you are soloing, and have no other players to haste you.

To simply things, any time you see a haste spell on your buff bar, that is spell haste. You normally just use the highest spell haste in your buff bar, multiple spell haste buffs do not add together. The only exception is the Ervaj bard spell, because it specifically uses a separate haste buff slot, v2 haste.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

To pull everything together in an example:

If you have FBSS (21% Haste) and Silver Chitin Hand Wraps (22% Haste) Equipped, your final WORN HASTE is 22%.

If you have the Celerity Buff Spell Haste (50% Haste) and Villia's Chorus of Celerity Bard Song Spell Haste (45%), your final SPELL HASTE is 50%.

If you have Composition of Ervaj Bard Song Spell Haste (10%), your final V2 SPELL HASTE is 10%

So your total haste would be WORN HASTE (22%) + SPELL HASTE (50%) + V2 SPELL HASTE (10%) = 82% total haste. This assumes you are not level capped on haste. Level caps for haste can be found here: https://wiki.project1999.com/Haste_Guide

[Snaggles]

1.) Worn item
2.) buff/song/click item (aka spell haste)
3.) V2 bard song (50 or 60, 5% or 10% respectfully). "blahblah of Ervaj"
4.) Quiver for bows (fleeting quiver is 20%)
NOTE: If you have a spell or worn item with other lines of effects (attk power etc) often those will stack with a superior haste. The haste itself will not stack.

No more than 100% at 60. If under level 60 caps are...

Level Max total haste permitted
1-30 50%
31-50 74%
51-54 84%
55-59 94%
60 100%

Edit: Sorry...I didnt read DeathsSilkyMist's response and just typed that out of habit. Yea basically the same thing :)

[Tunabros]

To pull everything together in an example:

If you have FBSS (21% Haste) and Silver Chitin Hand Wraps (22% Haste) Equipped, your final WORN HASTE is 22%.

If you have the Celerity Buff Spell Haste (50% Haste) and Villia's Chorus of Celerity Bard Song Spell Haste (45%), your final SPELL HASTE is 50%.

If you have Composition of Ervaj Bard Song Spell Haste (10%), your final V2 SPELL HASTE is 10%

So your total haste would be WORN HASTE (22%) + SPELL HASTE (50%) + V2 SPELL HASTE (10%) = 82% total haste. This assumes you are not level capped on haste. Level caps for haste can be found here: https://wiki.project1999.com/Haste_Guide

gah looks like i bought a LR for eyepatch for no reason on my shammy. oh well

so I got shammy haste + cloak haste as my self max buff it seems

[DeathsSilkyMist]

gah looks like i bought a LR for eyepatch for no reason on my shammy. oh well

so I got shammy haste + cloak haste as my self max buff it seems

Yup, your best haste spell + your best haste item is the way to go for your Shammy. Eyepatch is still a pretty good stat piece, so it's not a terrible choice if you don't have access to raid loot. But yeah, you won't be getting any use out of the haste clickie. It's better to put it on a melee class that doesn't get a good haste clickie, like Paladin/Shadowknight/non-gnome Warrior.

[Tunabros]

Yup, your best haste spell + your best haste item is the way to go for your Shammy. Eyepatch is still a pretty good stat piece, so it's not a terrible choice if you don't have access to raid loot. But yeah, you won't be getting any use out of the haste clickie. It's better to put it on a melee class that doesn't get a good haste clickie, like Paladin/Shadowknight/non-gnome Warrior.

yeah I don't raid on my shaman nor do I raid on blue anymore haha. I sold my tobrin's

and got a eyepatch of a plunder. The HP is really nice though! :D

[DeathsSilkyMist]

yeah I don't raid on my shaman nor do I raid on blue anymore haha. I sold my tobrin's

and got a eyepatch of a plunder. The HP is really nice though! :D

Oh yeah, good face pieces are hard to come by, and Eyepatch of Plunder has one of the better stat sets for face pieces. It is a solid choice. I use https://wiki.project1999.com/Ancient_Pirate's_Eyepatch myself for the AC/Resists, but it honestly isn't that much different than Eyepatch of Plunder.

[Ripqozko]

Imagine not knowing how haste works on a 22 year old elf sim.

mad/bad/sad/lol

hope that helps.

[Tunabros]

Imagine not knowing how haste works on a 22 year old elf sim.

mad/bad/sad/lol

hope that helps.

imagine shit talking on a section of a forum meant to ask questions or discuss about

everquest. for all i know you probably don't even play p99

hope this helps

[Bardp1999]

You guys are really over-explaining this. While technically the shitty Bard over haste works on P99, it doesn't really apply to 99.9% of situations.

You have worn haste and spell/song haste. Worn haste doesnt stack, and spell haste doesnt stack, you get one of each and thats it.

[Videri]

You guys are really over-explaining this. While technically the shitty Bard over haste works on P99, it doesn't really apply to 99.9% of situations.

You have worn haste and spell/song haste. Worn haste doesnt stack, and spell haste doesnt stack, you get one of each and thats it.

The Many-Times-Banned One is right, guys. Just think "Worn haste and spell haste." And bard haste is spell haste. By the time you are grouping with a level 50 or 60 bard that's equipping a horn and singing Ervaj, you can almost hit the haste cap anyway with whatever basic haste item you have and your shaman or enchanter's haste.

I think the only time you'd want to use Ervaj is if a bard is your only haster, and they're twisting both their best haste song and Ervaj.

[Videri]

ALSO: we should all stop calling Ervaj-line haste "overhaste." Overhaste is a Luclin mechanic that allowed you to go past 100% haste cap. Overhaste never exists on P99.

[Tunabros]

dang what does 100% haste look like lol

[Snaggles]

Anyone with a decent haste item (34% or better) and Shissar hits the haste cap. Anyone with a 40/41% haste item and VoG gets close enough to cap to justify it over Shiss (attack power = good).

While I might have given too much information for most, EQ falls into the “devil is in the details” kind of game and its always been misinformation heavy. One spell and one item is a bit confusing because some are worn or triggered effects. It also also glosses over the extra effects of a spell. For example the monk epic is 40% spell haste (clicked and duration of a bard song) but using the most simple explanation one could argue it holds no benefit if you can bum a celerity. It does so much more.

TL;DR - the haste cap is 100% at 60 and effectively cuts swing delay in half. With a 34% item and Shissar you can cap haste or any combination of worn (ie no buff shown) item and a spell/song picking up the balance. If you have a 40-41% worn haste item that is ideal.

[Videri]

dang what does 100% haste look like lol

Double speed. :)

[Tunabros]

Double speed. :)

So it would be x2 DPS each round of attacks?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

So it would be x2 DPS each round of attacks?

100% Haste means you take the delay of the weapon and divide by two. So a Wurmslayer (25/40) at 100% Haste would become a 25/20.

I just want to make this distinction clear, because I am not 100% sure how you are thinking about "x2 DPS".

Let us look at a quick scenario:

Shadowknight A is equipped with a Wurmslayer and buffed to 100% Haste

Shadowknight B is equipped with a Wurmslayer and has 0% Haste.

In this specific scenario, Shadowknight A would swing twice as often as Shadowknight B.

[Bardp1999]

Level Max total haste permitted
1-30 50%
31-50 74%
51-54 84%
55-59 94%
60 100%


This is the best info to take away from this thread

[DeathsSilkyMist]

This is the best info to take away from this thread

I think I can top that. Mathematically, trying to get more than 50% haste isn't a very good use of your time/money anyway. Let's take a look at probably the best high delay weapon out there players will equip, Tantor's Tusk (50/60).

At 50% Haste, your delay is reduced to 40, which is already 66.67% of the possible delay reduction you can get. At 75% Haste, your delay becomes 34, so you have only gained an additional 6 delay for 25% Haste.

Haste has diminishing returns, and it only gets worse with faster delay weapons. So realistically trying to get a super high haste value isn't a great use of your time/money anyway, unless you really want to parse as high as humanly possible. To cut Wurmslayer's delay by 10 (half of the possible reduction), you only need 34% Haste, which a Seahorse Belt would cover completely. 31% would get you to 30.5, but I think it would round up to 31 at that point.

[Ripqozko]

I think I can top that. Mathematically, trying to get more than 50% haste isn't a very good use of your time/money anyway. Let's take a look at probably the best high delay weapon out there players will equip, Tantor's Tusk (50/60).

At 50% Haste, your delay is reduced to 40, which is already 66.67% of the possible delay reduction you can get. At 75% Haste, your delay becomes 34, so you have only gained an additional 6 delay for 25% Haste.

Haste has diminishing returns, and it only gets worse with faster delay weapons. So realistically trying to get a super high haste value isn't a great use of your time/money anyway, unless you really want to parse as high as humanly possible. To cut Wurmslayer's delay by 10 (half of the possible reduction), you only need 34% Haste, which a Seahorse Belt would cover completely. 31% would get you to 30.5, but I think it would round up to 31 at that point.

If you are twinking tho, yeli head was fairly cheap when I raided I don’t see it being that expensive now and lvl 5 usable. Never have to worry about haste on ya alt again. For monks grey suade shoes the same, dirt nothing and lvl 1 obtainable. Actually for a raider grey suade shoes maybe easier then the 30k to get a belt.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

If you are twinking tho, yeli head was fairly cheap when I raided I don’t see it being that expensive now and lvl 5 usable. Never have to worry about haste on ya alt again. For monks grey suade shoes the same, dirt nothing and lvl 1 obtainable. Actually for a raider grey suade shoes maybe easier then the 30k to get a belt.

Oh I agree. If you can obtain a nice haste raid item, that is the way to go. My SK is using https://wiki.project1999.com/Shroud_of_the_Dar_Brood because it was like 30DKP lol (like 5-10 raid mobs in Aftermath). Way easier/faster than grinding 30k.

But for everyone who isn't in an active raiding guild, Seahorse Belt is the way to go for your 34% Haste. Good stats for a belt item, 0 weight, and useable by all races/classes. Cheaper than Cloak of Flames or Cloak of Crystalline Waters too.

[Crede]

Cocw and Lodi belt is where it’s at. I don’t bother with cof.

[Tunabros]

yeah COCW is an amazing item

[Toxigen]

if you're putting in enough EQ time to care about 2% haste differences, you may as well raid just long enough to get a 41% haste item

[Crede]

if you're putting in enough EQ time to care about 2% haste differences, you may as well raid just long enough to get a 41% haste item

That’s silly. I can get the pp for a 36% in < 1% of the raid time to get 41%

[Tunabros]

if you're putting in enough EQ time to care about 2% haste differences, you may as well raid just long enough to get a 41% haste item

I don't really have the time to put into raiding at the moment. So I kinda just mess

around solo. On green, I raid super casually. I don't even have a max main yet hah

[Vivitron]

I think I can top that. Mathematically, trying to get more than 50% haste isn't a very good use of your time/money anyway. Let's take a look at probably the best high delay weapon out there players will equip, Tantor's Tusk (50/60).

At 50% Haste, your delay is reduced to 40, which is already 66.67% of the possible delay reduction you can get. At 75% Haste, your delay becomes 34, so you have only gained an additional 6 delay for 25% Haste.

Haste has diminishing returns, and it only gets worse with faster delay weapons. So realistically trying to get a super high haste value isn't a great use of your time/money anyway, unless you really want to parse as high as humanly possible. To cut Wurmslayer's delay by 10 (half of the possible reduction), you only need 34% Haste, which a Seahorse Belt would cover completely. 31% would get you to 30.5, but I think it would round up to 31 at that point.

I think it's clearer to think about dps increases than delays, because the faster you're already swinging the more impactful a drop in delay. If you're doing ~20 dps, then 50% haste brings you up to ~30dps and 100% up to ~40dps.

So it is diminishing returns in the sense that going from 50 to 100% only buys you 33% more damage. But 0-50 and 50-100 buy you the same absolute dps increase (10 per in this example), so in that sense it's not diminishing.

(This ignores server rounding of delays; I don't know how that works. It could make haste gains chunky.)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I think it's clearer to think about dps increases than delays, because the faster you're already swinging the more impactful a drop in delay. If you're doing ~20 dps, then 50% haste brings you up to ~30dps and 100% up to ~40dps.

So it is diminishing returns in the sense that going from 50 to 100% only buys you 33% more damage. But 0-50 and 50-100 buy you the same absolute dps increase (10 per in this example), so in that sense it's not diminishing.

(This ignores server rounding of delays; I don't know how that works. It could make haste gains chunky.)

What I meant by this was it is not easy for a lot of classes to get to 100% (at least solo). Of course if you can get 100% easily for yourself, that is fine. I never said to not aim for it:) But a lot of people are not going to be able to get to 100% with any ease, so the first aim of any character should be reducing delay by half, which only requires 34% haste for most weapons.

After that, it really depends on your class for how easy it is to increase your haste. On a Shadowknight, your best solo haste is basically 61% (41% haste belt + 20% from Eyepatch of plunder), unless you are using https://wiki.project1999.com/Ashenwood_Short_Spear , but that gets used up pretty quickly, and it is lore, so recharging is a pain.

To get 34% haste, it costs roughly 30k. To get 61% haste, it requires 100k + or a good amount of raid time and Stormfeather camping time. Even though you have basically doubled your haste, you are only getting half of the returns from the additional haste, at triple the cost (or more).

For Monks they can easily get 80%+ with their epic.

For Rangers they can get Sky Cloak, but similar to the Shadowknight example above, that is not an easy get these days, due to high demand.

EDIT: The reason why you think about it in terms of delay instead of DPS is because DPS has other dependencies besides weapon delay that are not affected by haste, such as main hand damage bonus, skill levels, damage tables, were you in range when your swing went off, etc. Remember, one downside of swinging faster is you are more likely to not swing at all if the target goes out of range.

[Toxigen]

That’s silly. I can get the pp for a 36% in < 1% of the raid time to get 41%

I mean, I'm not talking about BiS haste (doze tears, vulak, Yeli head).

Plenty of 41% items that aren't BiS you can pick up pretty cheap on blue.

[Ripqozko]

Yeli head was only like 500 in AM , can’t be that expensive anymore . That’s like a month raiding casually . Best bang for ya buck twink haste minus monk.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeli head was only like 500 in AM , can’t be that expensive anymore . That’s like a month raiding casually . Best bang for ya buck twink haste minus monk.

Yup, I bought one for 500ish in AM. Amazing gloves. Depends on the guild and demand though, in AM it was going up in price when I bought it for 500.

[Ripqozko]

Yup, I bought one for 500ish in AM. Amazing gloves. Depends on the guild and demand though, in AM it was going up in price when I bought it for 500.

Pretty sure my pallys was like 550ish and that was near the end of AM timeline.

-Ramen

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Pretty sure my pallys was like 550ish and that was near the end of AM timeline.

-Ramen

Yeah I thought I saw one go for 600ish soon after I got mine. But that might have been a one off, it has been a while.

[Ripqozko]

Point being can’t be that much more , one month for an item you won’t replace and takes care of haste and lvl 5 usable. No brainer. The shroud of dar brood you got is great too if ya super cheap.

[Snaggles]

Besides a few sky belt MQ's on blue that are decently affordable (pally is like 30-50k or so) the effort gap between a 34/26% worn item and a 40/41% item is quite severe. It means either not having to raid or having to raid which is a distinct change in what your game will be like. Unless you are a rogue or ranger and it comes on your easy epic.

One of the easiest pickups that doesnt sacrifice stats is the Rocksmasher but you are still relying on a single dragon to drop a single item and hoping you can win it amongst your peers. I'd argue a one-track raider looking for this as the end-game goal can get one fairly quickly but you will need to join a capable raiding guild and roll those digital dice for the stars to align.

It's not ideal to have to rely on Shissar to haste cap but the difference between it and VoG is 25 attack. It's nice but not a huge bump. Paladins at 60 if not strength capped can pick up about 80 attack with Yaulp4 so Shissar is a noticable disappointment. Otherwise it's a solid spell for almost everyone and gets you to where you need to be.

[Sizar]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Haste_Guide