Wheel of Time (Novemeber)

[Bardp1999]

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[nostalgiaquest]

Where's Billy Zane?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOCCEuROPk

Hope this doesn't suck though.

[starkind]

p cool can't wait to see all the characters hope they are not taylor swift clones

[Tunabros]

fucking finally bruh

I imagined the world to look a "modern and renaissance" though

looks kinda shit ngl

[starkind]

This is were that $100,000 auk of illicit NZ KFC was going to.

[Jibartik]

Fffffff yeaaaaa I hope it’s good.

I just watch the trailer and I think it looks like dog crap

[Whale biologist]

good thing to watch during thanksgiving raids

[Jibartik]

This looks like if a woman made a porno

[Tunabros]

pray to jesus that it doesn't turn out to be shit

knife of dreams best book btw

[blindedsoul]

Very popular series even if I didn't get hooked myself hopefully turns out good ^ ^

I would love to see the Stormlight archives by Brandon Sanderson though, I think that serious smashes

[Elizondo]

Looks kinda terrible

[Gustoo]

I'm just gunna try to accept it fully and not be critical and hope it can be enjoyed. I don't worship the books but I listened to em all when I was working a job that I could listen to audiobooks 8hrs a day. Not sure if I would have got through the parts where the author tries to imagine female conversations otherwise.

I'm hoping the tv series beats the books.

[starkind]

Either this show goes 40 seasons competing with some of the grandest soaps or it flops after 2 seasons.

Better chance for the former on a cheep indie budget. Looks like Amazon is pouring money into the first season tho. So.... idk. Could be bad if it only profits $1 they'll kill it and run away with the IP and steal the company car.

Praying it's at least 40 seasons and they even do some time traveling between ages.

[Tethler]

I don't hold high hopes for this. There are so many characters involved in the story and the story itself is so long. There is no way they'll have the time to do it justice.

[Gustoo]

You gotta have zero actual hope, but still totally commit to it and hope its good.

Yeah I mean these actors will be ready to retire when the series is over if it runs the full course. I hope they have a less of a lord of the rings rip-off way to start the adventure too. "gotta flee from the dark riders cuz I got the ring I mean..some other reason lets GTFO"

Also i'm not seeing enough plains and angles in any faces lol

[Jibartik]

This new wheel of time trailer is great

UhZ56rcWwRQ

[Tunabros]

the entire series had so many useless parts

like remember crossroads of twilight?

show is gonna suck ass no matter how die fan you are

[unsunghero]

..

[Jibartik]

Dragon lance would make a sick fantasy show if they didn’t try to modernize it.

Forgotten realms too but come on, a dragon jousting game of thrones would be sick!

[Gustoo]

This new wheel of time trailer is great

UhZ56rcWwRQ

lol zing

[Gustoo]

the entire series had so many useless parts

like remember crossroads of twilight?

show is gonna suck ass no matter how die fan you are

Thats why the show could easily be better than the books. The books are written by a man who seemingly only knew one woman if that in his entire life. The series will probably have at least 1 female writer, at least.

I wanna see who they cast as Logain it should be a guy similar to a young Fabio Lanzoni.

[Gustoo]

Logain

[Elizondo]

Dragon lance would make a sick fantasy show if they didn’t try to modernize it.

Forgotten realms too but come on, a dragon jousting game of thrones would be sick!

Not bad

I'd want to see these series as movies. The problem is Hollywood usually screws up the fantasy genre

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[Tunabros]

It's gonna be ass

im calling it

the only good fantasy show that was made was got but even that got screwed over

near the end

[Elizondo]

It's gonna be ass

im calling it

the only good fantasy show that was made was got but even that got screwed over

near the end

As a show? Yea for sure

Movies there have been a few good ones

Neverending Story
Conan The Barbarian (Not Destroyah)
Dragonslayer
Dragonheart

[Gustoo]

Isn't nine princes in amber (or chronicles of amber) being made into a series maybe by the walking dead guy?

If they make that good, it will be the best show ever.

Gunna be hard though. It pretty much needs to feel like a 70's smoking lounge at all times. The books have a special Zelazny vibe that is going to be hard to replicate without some seriously genius work.

Elizondo all those books look awesome.

[nostalgiaquest]

So I just finished the first episode. I guess i was entertained. But I also ate a weed cookie before I watched it so there's that.

I gasped when Rand and Egwene kissed, and laughed out loud when Perrin's wife (wtf?) got the axe.

[starkind]

i liked it it's going to be slow and everyone will be annoyed because its a tv series

they did a fine job with it though, only minor critiques and even that doesn't matter because the actors are good

[wuanahto]

There used to be a guild on ... i cant remember anymore named Clan Ta Veren. During Kunark or Velious someone explained the name to me.
was a book back in the 80s, right?

[starkind]

ya and it was written by an old guy there is sexism in it, it's not that bad tho more like the X-men character heroic archetypal tropes

just think of everyone as a boy and u will be fine

nyneave is gr8

the reason they laughed is cuz they didn't know perin killed her and they were nervious and being wierd

[Whale biologist]

Starkind said no but I got a strong impression this story is very anti-male

The saidin is tainted and bad and wrong and evil and no male wizards ok?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Starkind said no but I got a strong impression this story is very anti-male

The saidin is tainted and bad and wrong and evil and no male wizards ok?

The book series is not anti-male. The world setting has a separate power source for male "wizards" and female "wizards". The only reason why male "wizards" are bad is because the men in the past had to use their power to contain what is basically the devil, and in doing so the male half of the power source became corrupted. This is because the prison containing the devil is made of the male power source, so he can basically seep his evil directly into it. If the source would become uncorrupted again, then "male" wizards would be able to use their magic normally.

Since most TV is made by people who lean left, they certainly took the female empowerment farther than it was described in the book (that is probably one of the reasons why the approved the series).

[Rick Sanchez]

WTB a legitimate show on Drizzt Do Urden.

[starkind]

The book series is not anti-male. The world setting has a separate power source for male "wizards" and female "wizards". The only reason why male "wizards" are bad is because the men in the past had to use their power to contain what is basically the devil, and in doing so the male half of the power source became corrupted. This is because the prison containing the devil is made of the male power source, so he can basically seep his evil directly into it. If the source would become uncorrupted again, then "male" wizards would be able to use their magic normally.

Since most TV is made by people who lean left, they certainly took the female empowerment farther than it was described in the book (that is probably one of the reasons why the approved the series).

That's an oversimplification and u know it.

The men where told no don't. Some women went along with them anyway tho. And there is a lot of beef with the dragon specifically for a lot of reasons from everyone.

If someone doesn't use or channel great amounts of the boy power or simply is gentled early its nbd iirc and the real problem is that the tapestry, or timeline itself is trying to free the bigderpybad. Pretty sure gentled men can become warders to fix their emo status.

Anyway to judge the series not in context without having read a 20,000 page manuscript is terrible.

Red lady does the right thing for all the wrong reasons and she has a good reason to be hateful.

Morraine is just doing what she was born to do.

There are lives that trancend single individuals and the present age and the Dragon is the one.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

That's an oversimplification and u know it.

The men where told no don't. Some women went along with them anyway tho. And there is a lot of beef with the dragon specifically for a lot of reasons from everyone.

If someone doesn't use or channel great amounts of the boy power or simply is gentled early its nbd iirc and the real problem is that the tapestry, or timeline itself is trying to free the bigderpybad. Pretty sure gentled men can become warders to fix their emo status.

Anyway to judge the series not in context without having read a 20,000 page manuscript is terrible.

Red lady does the right thing for all the wrong reasons and she has a good reason to be hateful.

Morraine is just doing what she was born to do.

There are lives that trancend single individuals and the present age and the Dragon is the one.

I agree, it is easy to judge the series out of context since the massive page count is a deterring factor to readers.

Yes it is an oversimplification, to avoid spoilers. I read the whole series and I wasn't bothered by the male half of the source being corrupted. I thought it was a cool idea. And don't get me wrong, I am fully against obvious sexism towards men or women, so if I felt Robert Jordan was doing that, I wouldn't have finished the series. Both men and women do a lot of great and terrible things in the series, it didn't feel awfully one sided. It's more one sided in the beginning simply because Rand hasn't cultivated his powers yet.

I know that Robert Jordan's portrayal of men and women rub people the wrong way, and I understand why. But I found it amusing to be honest, and it was a unique and interesting quirk of the series I enjoyed. Not because of sexism, but because of the silliness of it. I didn't feel like Robert Jordan was doing it due to some weird sexism he had. I think he just had an old school way of thinking about the dynamics between men and women.

But as I stated before, I can understand why people think the series is sexist towards men from the TV show. The show creators are probably left leaning, so they took the background/Jordan's take on the dynamic between the sexes and pushed it more towards the female empowerment angle, which I was fully anticipating they would do. The Wheel of Time does have a lot of strong female characters in it, and I believe that is one of the reasons why a TV series on Wheel of Time was greenlit in the first place.

[Gustoo]

He didn't have an old school way of thinking, he had a neckbeard way of thinking.

Yes if anything the series is anti female rather than anti male, robert jordan is a shit author and the books are highly derivative (not original at all) its in the genre of "wannabe lord of the rings, no skill author with nothing to add"

However it is super long and a lot of cool things happen in between the boring stuff. There are whole books that are almost unreadable. I listened to the audiobooks (which disallows skimming) while working in a production facility and I had a face cramp from cringing for like 5 hours straight during the times when it has the ladies of the eyes sedai bickering like a neckbeard would imagine women talk. Totally cringe.

But its overall a fun story and some awesome stuff does happen and I really hope this series can continue I think the TV series can improve on the books in a number of ways.

I went in deciding that I was gunna support it and not nitpick all the differences but was immediatly like "wtf perrin isn't married to a mad girl who is guaranteed to die early on in the story!" he was a kid living with his dad lol

But I still hope it can play out long haul style.

I just know it won't be the "next game of thrones!!!!!111one!!!!" like they hope.


Oh and I bet he gets redemption when it turns out that she was a dark friend because she was blackmailed into killing him in order to save her baby and he actually did self defense when he apparently accidentally killed her.

RIP in peace

[hobart]

I was already an adult with a career when these books came out, so didn't read them.

Ep 1 was terrible. When I first saw the monsters/demons/whatever, I thought they had written a music video for Gwar into the plot.

Too many ugly people. Too many non-Americans.

Boring.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

He didn't have an old school way of thinking, he had a neckbeard way of thinking.

Lol that is a decent way of putting it I guess. I wouldn't say neckbeard simply because Robert Jordan was an old man when the modern neckbeard became a thing, so I doubt he was a neckbeard. But I understand what you mean, it seems like he is writing from a perspective where he doesn't know a lot about women. In my mind that is a more old school way of thinking. I believe the deep philosophical/psychological understanding of the opposite sex from yourself is a fairly new phenomenon.

But honestly a lot of authors are like that. J.K. Rowling was certainly in the same situation, where she didn't really know how to write male characters that well. But I think it makes the series more interesting in some ways, as you get a different perspective on the male/female dynamic. There were certainly cringe moments in that series regarding how male characters act when it comes to romance hehe.

[Chortles Snortles]

shit tier fantasy series
hope this helps

[robayon]

I didn't read these books but my even nerdier brother did, and he told me that the Wheel of Time series is an elaborate copy of the Dune novels

Also hope this helps

[Jibartik]

The only thing good about wheel of time was joking about how much more retarted you are for having read it than your casual friends, and the amazing cover art.

[Gustoo]

I mean I really enjoy how its like a manga where rand just keeps getting more OP. There are a lot of cool things that happen I am super critical of it because I'd never recommend someone read it but it was good fun.

Writing isn't good like a stephen king book but the valuable content level was equally low. It was a story for the fun of the story and gives you no insights into life at all.

I really want the show to be a success but it probably wont. The first episode felt like they were going for the 90's syndicated fantasy Xena and Hercules style aka cheezball

but fully enjoyed it.


I was more surprised to see the netflix live action cowboy bebop show the other day. Like wtf?? didn't know that was coming

[Jibartik]

Yeah but like, telling your friends about manga is a pretty retarted thing to do, no offence I think that's a great point and a strong argument as I have read the wheel of time and agree, we are superior having done so.

:o

[DeathsSilkyMist]

There are a lot of cool things that happen

That is the interesting thing about Wheel of Time. There are a lot of great moments and payoff if you have the patience to get through some of the low parts of the story.

And I don't really buy the "Lord of the Rings" knock-off argument. Most fantasy is like that to be honest, because "Lord of The Rings" is a top tier series everyone has read. It is pretty tough to completely leave out "Lord of The Rings" influence in a fantasy series.

In most cases a good author is someone who can take an existing idea and make a slightly novel interpretation of it, and Robert Jordan does that. Making a completely original idea is almost impossible, and that isn't the standard if you read a lot.

If your reading list only consists of top tier material, you are in for an amazing ride, albeit a short one lol. Much like the great composers, it is very rare that a Tolkien or a Frank Herbert comes along. Robert Jordan is still one of the higher tier fantasy writers, and the popularity of Wheel of Time backs that up.

[Tunabros]

the wheel of time is nowhere near how LOTR is

people who say so never read the book

[DeathsSilkyMist]

the wheel of time is nowhere near how LOTR is

people who say so never read the book

I never claimed Wheel of Time is close to LOTR. I said it is higher tier than most fantasy. The claim "it's not as good as LOTR" is honestly a moot point, because that is true for 99% of fantasy lol.

It is like trying to compare most music to something like Beethoven. 99% of music compared to Beethoven is objectively garbage, but that doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable. Again, if your standard is you only read top tier, that is fine, but your reading list will be short.

[Smoofers]

Looks so contrived. "Hey there's a totally evil power, and a chosen one who can stop them"

I don't see anything in that trailer which gives it the unique flavor of that series.

[Jibartik]

Let's just be clear about 1 thing, this is the highest tier:

https://i.imgur.com/nDSQB9Q.png

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Looks so contrived. "Hey there's a totally evil power, and a chosen one who can stop them"

I don't see anything in that trailer which gives it the unique flavor of that series.

I agree. I watched all three episodes. The TV series cuts out a lot of things that make Wheel of Time unique and interesting, for the sake of time. I do understand a lot of the changes, they need to make some stuff up that conveys the general ideas visually, as opposed to dialogue and character building scenes.

I think that is why Perrin has a wife that immediately dies, for example. They wanted a quick reason to give Perrin his withdrawn personality, and make sure people don't think he may get together with another female character from the Two Rivers later.

So far I haven't hated the series, they are getting through most of the major story points decently enough. But it is very obvious they are rushing through the story, which is why it will never live up to something like the first few seasons of Game of Thrones. My guess is they are trying to fit one book per season, so that will already be 14 seasons minimum lol. I doubt they will want to run 14 seasons though, so they may end up doing something like 1.5 books per season, and cut out most of the side stories.

[Gustoo]

In the first whole book the entire 2 rivers gang is whining about going back home to the 2 rivers AKA the shire, and they are young and very reluctant to go on their quest.

They get chased out of town by a black rider AKA nazgul straight out of lord of the rings.

It's just a lot of key elements are blatant ripoffs. I've heard that defended as a "Heroes journey" thing but that really isn't the only way to start a hero on a journey lol, to be chased away by a dark rider.

Regardless like Deathssilkymist says its a fun story and definitely worth watching if you watch any TV at all (none is actually worth watching but entertainment is entertaining soooo)

Smoofers - the story isn't nearly as linear as that. There are a lot of people to kill and a lot of things Rand and everyone has to learn about the dark power..ETC.

My biggest complaint honestly is that the mean lady Aeys Sedai who captures Logain is not played by Lucy Lawless, or that lucy lawless isn't just somewhere in the damn series. We need lucy lawless.

I can't wait to see what character Sean Bean ends up playing.

[starkind]

WoT is great drama.

It's a cool idea 2 i can't spoil it.

only people who don't really know and havent read all 50 million words say it's bad

i love u gustoo but u totally didnt even acknowledge time travel or how rand is his own dad and how there are other mysterious things in that universe that even the DO (dork one) is vulnerable 2, but probably wouldd devour that planet, i think they visit a bunch of dead planets in one book lol

[Gustoo]

The wheel of time keeps turning, who gives a shit lol

But I'm not trying to spoiler much beyond what is already seen in episodes 1-3 here.

[Nuggie]

I reread the series every time a new book came out starting in about 1996. I think the first book I read 11 times.

The show won't do the books credit. I enjoy the show for what it is, another person's interpretation on Robert Jordan's work.

I found the first 3 episodes worthwhile without having a huge expectation for them. I feel non autistic-level nitpicky(about the differences between show and books) people will also.

Enjoy.

[robayon]

I reread the series every time a new book came out starting in about 1996. I think the first book I read 11 times.

The show won't do the books credit. I enjoy the show for what it is, another person's interpretation on Robert Jordan's work.

I found the first 3 episodes worthwhile without having a huge expectation for them. I feel non autistic-level nitpicky(about the differences between show and books) people will also.

Enjoy.sauron's eye looks like a vagina

[Nuggie]

sauron's eye looks like a vagina

Whomever you've been seeing might need a shot of penicillin. ;)

[robayon]

Whomever you've been seeing might need a shot of penicillin. ;)i showed your post to my wife and she told me i have mental illness

[starkind]

Sauron is a vaaaaginne!

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[Bardp1999]

They are already referencing the Chosen (Ishmael) - I think it will be pretty interesting later when the real baddies start to show themselves (and there are a bunch of them). So far I am pleasantly surprised by the series. The casting of Matt, Perrin, and Rand seem pretty good now that ive made it through 3 episodes (was iffy at first). The only thing I don't like is Lan is an Asian samurai and not Conan the Barbarian. In my head I always produced Aes Sedai as Ace Sedai and not Eye Sedai so that's a bit annoying. I also simplified Egwene's name to Gwen in my head and not You Gwaine or whatever the fuck they are calling her

There is a lot of really good story they have to draw on and while this wont be the next Game of Thrones, its good for us nerds who read the books.

Also, LulzSect is a bald psycho who should be perm banned from the forums (sorry you're fat)

[Gustoo]

For me Lan was a lot more Jaime Lannister but with an inch wider jaw than that rather skinny head actor from GOT

Arnold would have done it but he was an armor wearer not an axe wielder I don’t think Arnold buffness was called for.

Definitely more of a paladin to me. Maybe Huge Jackedman from 10 years ago?

They described him as “all planes and angles” about a thousand times. It’s hard to get a human to look like Batman the animated series Bruce Wayne but with blonder hair and bluer eyes

[starkind]

Ya, same.

I envision a clean cut western style guy.

Bruce Willis could have been interesting.

[Gustoo]

Actually the Superman actor now Witcher actor would have done it tho he’s a bit hammy.

The guy they cast will do fine he’s just not the knight that the book made it seem like he would be. However he stood out in the book and when there’s a lot of knights around the Lan of the tv show will stand out for his style so it works pretty good.

Looking forward to the Friday release of some more episodes.

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/GzL3mx5.jpg

Thom sorta has it coverd tho he's shorter and less of a front line fighter. and a lot more girly in that unique way that actor is :p

https://i.imgur.com/UG93Q87.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vYeRp5o.jpg

obvious lan accoutraments and hairstyle and stuff with some decent armor and a barbarian style big sword

lan was like the only dude that ever went north of the dmz into tentacle hell land and returned still an intact man

old man Harrison Ford woulda been an interesting style too, yet he's way to old for a kid series like this.

I do think that the Lan they chose has the chops. He's a little too whiny about morraines safety tho. He needs more screen time just staring off into the shit that is coming their way in the distance and watching over everyone silently or cracken an old man wisdom joke right before shit hits the fan. Then going back to zen warrior. I'm afraid they were afraid of that character being "Toxically Masculine" and encouraging boys to die in foreign wars for no damn good reason, so they softened him up a buuunch.

[nostalgiaquest]

I always pictured Lan to be like Steiner from FF9. But a little less cartoony

https://i.imgur.com/Faraa0y.jpg

[starkind]

ya thats the right direction, i expected him to have some more serious gear too not look so rangery all the time, like the only rangery thing i remember about him was his cool cloak which i think he didnt even wear to the two rivers?

everyonne else think he should have gotten a breastplate?

[Jibartik]

I always pictured Lan to be like Steiner from FF9. But a little less cartoony

https://i.imgur.com/Faraa0y.jpg

I certanly imagined this book to feel more like goonies meets DND than this woke ass adult drama shit on Hulu.

[starkind]

I certanly imagined this book to feel more like goonies meets DND than this woke ass adult drama shit on Hulu.

Thank you for your frank input. I agree it do be a bit like that :P

[Bardp1999]

Episode 4 pretty good

[starkind]

So, I can respect people's criticism of the series and the TV adaptation. Definitely a lot of "programming", dumbing down, and populism going on here.

That said, its all still mildly entertaining and slightly nostalgiac. Despite the well warranted outrage. And I'm enjoying it anyways a long with revisiting the unabridged eye of the world.

The Eye of the World
Book One of The Wheel of Time
By: Robert Jordan
Narrated by: Rosamund Pike
Series: Wheel of Time, Book 1
Length: 32 hrs and 55 mins
Unabridged Audiobook
Release date: 11-16-21
Language: English
Publisher: Macmillan Audio

This is different than the more sold, common reading, and Rosamund Pike is an incredible story teller and voice actress. Highly recommend you give her a try if you couldn't stomach the other narration force fed to you @ the top of your ad feed.

This goes out especially to @ Gustoo, as you were burned by your attempt to audiobook them.

I really enjoy Jordan's worldbuilding and snark. So for me this has all been a great treasure of rediscovery of something kinda lost, forgotten from my distant past. Revisiting this with my new eyes (especially the third) has been great.

[Whale biologist]

how long until the main character does something cool for once?

next season?

e: what even was the point of separating them if you're gonna do a 1 month later machina? fuck you tv!

[starkind]

how long until the main character does something cool for once?

next season?

e: what even was the point of separating them if you're gonna do a 1 month later machina? fuck you tv!

Well enough new kids are now reborn for Amazon to make a boatload of ppl rebuying or frankly buying the books finally for the first time because that lesbian kiss 💋 😘 😳

And yes I agree.

I also say there's so much wasted opportunity here. I wish for a Gone with the wind or Days of Our Lives version .

[Shac]

this series is kinda lame. the mobs are all minotards and the people are all regulartards.

[AenorVZ]

Show is shit. They think they can get away with all the dumb shit GoT got away with in seasons 5-8 without first having a great season 1-4 to build the audience.

[Jibartik]

I feel like you can see the time it takes hollywood to get it with all the GOT clones that are coming out this last 2 years.

The green night

some matt damon movie

wheel of time

theres a bunch more dead weight fantasy

wtf?

its all got clones like 3 years after the series is over lol losers are so slow

[starkind]

Well Amazon paid the plagiarism tax for at least one season so buckle up.

[Whale biologist]

episode 7 will reveal the real dragon is the power of friendship.

Show is shit.

[Mblake1981]

the amazing cover art

Darrell K. Sweet.

The cover art (https://www.tor.com/2012/04/20/a-darrell-k-sweet-wheel-of-time-tribute-including-a-memory-of-light-sketch/) is 90s CRPG box art, pinball machine art (https://twitter.com/pindypinball/status/950816611933523970), table top games, Heavy Metal (music and magazines) etc..
same vein of artists like Keith Parkinson, Larry Elmore, Clyde Caldwell, Boris Vallejo, Julie Bell, Daniel Horne and more.

https://www.orkerhulen.dk/artists.html

https://i.imgur.com/AF2ijvu.png

[Whale biologist]

is the bad guy dead now? last episode dropped today

this should would be confusing if it wasn't so terrible.

[starkind]

is the bad guy dead now? last episode dropped today

this should would be confusing if it wasn't so terrible.

No he's fine. Also padan fein is FD somewhere with the horn cuz mad at being poor when he could have just moved to Cairhen instead.