Shadows of Luclin

[rubicaant]

Since the experiment is basically over. Can you do the server cycle on Green and Teal and work on Luclin for Blue? Even if it's custom content without space cats or whatever. Bazaar, new raid zones, AAs. all these things would breathe a lot of life into the server. Please consider!

[Evia]

Usually I'm first to say "won't happen " because "not classic" but this project hasn't been classic for a while so maybe?

[Alukit Vassago]

why leave the cats out xD we all know the AA's would be the nightmare part for the dev to deal with

[Baler]

sigh

Staff spent a lot of time and effort removing luclin content from the p99 server code.

[drackgon]

Just means its already there 2 add right back in. Bring on a PoP P99 server imo. Anynone playing on green knows its "close to classic" but so much custom content already. Bring on luclin!

[unleashedd]

Don't care for mooncats but beastlords would be fun

[Baler]

Just means its already there 2 add right back in.

This is one of the largest misconceptions about the statement I made.

The answer, No it's not. That's not how it works.

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People know where to go if they want Luclin & PoP.

Project 1999 is THE BEST Classic EverQuest Server available, period. Please don't try to make it something it's not.

[drackgon]

Nah please do luclin 2022 please. Let peeps enjoy it. I mean red could easily be shut down and made into a progression to PoP server.

[Polixa]

I liked certain aspects of Luclin, killing Grimlings was satisfying, getting tailoring drops from rockhoppers, and Paludal Caverns was power-leveling heaven from 1 to 20 something. But the Disney-style landscapes sucked and overall I didn't enjoy Luclin that much.

I liked Legacy of Ykesha and Dungeons of Norrath expansions. Wouldn't mind seeing them tacked on to P99.

[Baler]

Nah please do luclin


https://i.imgur.com/Jd0HSV2.png

[Atmas]

It would be cool if Luclin could be sharded off as another server. Basically make a copy of P99 now and and let the new server continue into Luclin and the existing server stay caped.

Probably won't happen but I think about 50% of the server would like to see it.

[Baler]

It would be cool if Luclin could be sharded off as another server. Basically make a copy of P99 now and and let the new server continue into Luclin and the existing server stay caped.

Probably won't happen but I think about 50% of the server would like to see it.

Look it wont happen on a Classic Everquest Server.

[Atmas]

Look it wont happen on a Classic Everquest Server.

I've been on this server and forum for over a decade. I know the staff's aversion to Luclin and their general stance. Every once in a while one of these threads pop up. I'm just tossing out ideas for fun.

I know and really wouldn't want them to add Luclin to servers they had promoted as being classic because that would be hugely contrary to the intent of the server. Hence the idea for making a copy of the server. Once again I don't think they have any interest in doing this but it's nice to dream. I even wonder at one point in the future if they would be willing to share the codebase with people who actually wanted to implement Luclin.

[Baler]

I've been on this server and forum for over a decade. I know the staff's aversion to Luclinuld be willing to share the codebase with people who actually wanted to implement Luclin.

so what,. So what's your big message that no one will care care about.

This is a classic everquest server.

[Toxigen]

not classic

[drackgon]

Baler is clearly off his meds again. This server isn’t classic. Stop lying to urselves. Is it close yes. But I can walk around root mobs, can’t use my Iv hoop, have to sit and click afk list. Etc etc. get off ur pill induced high horse baler.

[JayDee]

This is a classic everquest server.

To my understanding, Rogaen has already stated that he is open to doing custom content on blue if the situation calls for it.

[Jayzeus]

Bring on luclin so I can see this baler dude make every post in this thread crying about it instead of every other post

[Jibartik]

Im playing mischief so I can play through shadows of luclin.

And then come back here and never do it again.

[RevSaber]

Luclin just so we can have FT15

[Baler]

Baler is clearly off his meds again. This server isn’t classic. Stop lying to urselves. Is it close yes. But I can walk around root mobs, can’t use my Iv hoop, have to sit and click afk list. Etc etc. get off ur pill induced high horse baler.

#1 fix your signature it's a paragraph of crap that no one cares about
2, P99 is the best classic experience you'll get right now
3, start at #1

[Gustoo]

I've seen a ton of communication from the staff lately and I think we are really close to getting a resolution to this topic.


I think at best we're going to have a 3 year cycle.

1. Blue Made
2. Red Made
3. Blue 2 (green) made
4. Red 2 (orange) made
5. Blue 2 dumps to Blue 1
6. Blue 3 Made
7. Red 2 dumps to red 1
8. Red 3 made

Till no one is playing

[Atmas]

so what,. So what's your big message that no one will care care about.

This is a classic everquest server.

What's your point in posting this? Everyone here knows it's a classic everquest server.

[Baler]

What's your point in posting this? Everyone here knows it's a classic everquest server.

The reason is you posted this\/, Which I quoted, apologies if you missed it before.
I've been on this server and forum for over a decade. I know the staff's aversion to Luclinuld be willing to share the codebase with people who actually wanted to implement Luclin.

Luclin isn't classic. The dev's said it themselves.

[Atmas]

Well, ignoring the jumbling of my actual comment, the point is it wouldn't be changing the existing servers. P99 blue, red, and green would be the same unchanged classic servers.

[Baler]

Well, ignoring the jumbling of my actual comment, the point is it wouldn't be changing the existing servers. P99 blue, red, and green would be the same unchanged classic servers.

No I think I quoted it just as acceptably as you posted it. :thinking:

maybe you can steal the code from another emu and make your dream server that you envision, eh?

[drackgon]

Again baler is just stupid crazy, reading his/her/their rants in off topic just shows how off rails he is, he’s stuck in this white knight crack head mentality. And just thinks he’s 100% knows all. There is no reason to be so upset over peeps wanting something, on a totally none classic server.

[Baler]

Again baler is just stupid crazy, reading his/her/their rants in off topic just shows how off rails he is, he’s stuck in this white knight crack head mentality. And just thinks he’s 100% knows all. There is no reason to be so upset over peeps wanting something, on a totally none classic server.

easy man, this is server chat not Rants and Flames.

I am okay with people wanting their classic everquest experience. You just can't discount the number of people who want a fresh experience.
One of the 'questions' in the private server industry is "new server when". It's big business. For anyone to think it's somehow magical that things just fell into place is silly, from a knowing view point.

Edit: And I stand by my point that people would steal p99 code, if they could, to create some bastard child vision they can spin off as the "next best thing".
You know how I'm confident in this? because servers have cropped up and attempted this multiple times through the history of blue, red, green and teal. Minus stealing of the code.

It's so important for P99 to merge green and restart it. The demand is there,... keep reading....
no it won't happen tomorrow, log in today and enjoy it! then later down the road, let us have our fresh experience again.

Edit2: You know where to go if you want Luclin & PoP, don't act like it out of reach anymore.

[JayDee]

his/her/their

What if he got multiple personalities and is a them ?¿

[A Knight]

I wish EQ owners would do what Wow did, with classic, and open a classic and Luclin server. I'm in the mood for Luclin which is odd because I've always hated it. /shrugs

I don't want to download some random files off the internet to play Luclin though. Just take my 15 dollars.

[myrddraal]

Skip luclin and go right to PoP

[Daldaen]

Definitely do Luclin and PoP on Blue.

Keep Green in Velious and let people transfer if they want.

The racing for VT/Ssra/Seru Raid mobs will be real interesting on P99. I may just dust off my druid when this happens.

[Twochain]

Bazaar, Nexus, PC, the new models... really ruin a lot of what makes EQ special imo... and a lot of people agree on these issues.

However it would be pretty cool to raid other Luclin content.

What if a guild turned in 50 sleepers keys in order to get ported to a Luclin Raid zone? Something cool like that would definitely breathe some new life into the scene. Other than that, i'm pretty happy with how things are :) It's still fun raiding Velious content to me.

ONE thing I do wish for is if everyone could make a "mule account" that creates a level 1 toon in the tunnel, that is unable to zone out of EC, and that you could use while playing your other toons. I'm sure it would help more items being available in tunnel, as on Blue, there are certain times that the tunnel is just completely dead. This would keep bartering in play.. as is a huge part of the classic EQ experience. (Brad himself loved the idea of being able to "Twink" characters by trading and bartering) - Just a thought.

[Geomance22]

i literally cant justify asking for anything else after consuming nilbog and rogean's content for over a decade for nearly free

honestly i would crowdfund a rogean/nilbog mmo at this point, or have them introduce the expansions but with the content curated by them for some price point. I would be happy to reimburse them for doing more work if they have any interest left. I think they are the only people I trust to either make a new MMO or to curate more content for this server in the future.

[Tunabros]

literlly everyone and their grandma will quit green to play blue if luclin and pop were

added

just go to takp if you want to play that stuff

[Croco]

Bazaar, Nexus, PC, the new models... really ruin a lot of what makes EQ special imo... and a lot of people agree on these issues.

However it would be pretty cool to raid other Luclin content.

What if a guild turned in 50 sleepers keys in order to get ported to a Luclin Raid zone? Something cool like that would definitely breathe some new life into the scene. Other than that, i'm pretty happy with how things are :) It's still fun raiding Velious content to me.

ONE thing I do wish for is if everyone could make a "mule account" that creates a level 1 toon in the tunnel, that is unable to zone out of EC, and that you could use while playing your other toons. I'm sure it would help more items being available in tunnel, as on Blue, there are certain times that the tunnel is just completely dead. This would keep bartering in play.. as is a huge part of the classic EQ experience. (Brad himself loved the idea of being able to "Twink" characters by trading and bartering) - Just a thought.

The bazaar is the single best quality of life improvement EQ ever got. Also you don't have to use new models to play luclin. I never did. If you want to use a horse you'll need to but you can get around that by using an AoN. The nexus is whatever. It's not super convenient because you have to wait 15 minutes for the damn ports to trigger. My guess is you'd still see a significant market for dial to operate.

[dragosanii]

Would be great to see a form of the bazaar on Blue...but I guess that would involve an expansion release....

I still regard the difficulty of this game as one of the best motivations to play - as a new player to P99 I've been extremely lucky to have had items donated to me from the kindly players on blue - I dread to think how much time I would have to put in to obtain them.

I did play pretty much full on from 1999 to 2007 but I can't put that time in these days - just good to be back playing the old world again and trying stuff I didn't the first time around.

[Atmas]

No I think I quoted it just as acceptably as you posted it. :thinking:

maybe you can steal the code from another emu and make your dream server that you envision, eh?

Yeah, that makes no sense and it's weird how things get cut in your head.

Anyway, for clarification for anyone who isn't intentionally trying to have pre-k reading comprehension a lot of people enjoyed their playing of EQ from start to a certain point. Velious, Luclin, or PoP. They aren't interested in playing a server like a TLP that is just a zone locked version of a newer game. Or a server that has always been at a certain expansion in the game. They want to play as classic as possible from start to that point and it in no way needs to impact an existing P99 server. Sorry if that offends anyone. Kind of hypocritical to hate on the idea of someone wanting to play on a server that starts at classic EQ and cuts off at a certain expansion.

[Tewaz]

Raise the level cap to 65 and add Luclin and PoP AA's.

Add Beast Master but don't add Cats.

Add each plane from PoP and make the planar entrance match up with a spot in the world.

Innovation in Steamfont
Fire in Lavastorm
Tranquility in the middle of Erud's Crossing
Disease in RnF channel
You get the idea

I personally like SoL but I'd be open to a version of it that removed the bazaar if that's what really gets people. Remove Cat person place also, no big deal. Remove most or all of the books in PoK.

The Nexxus isn't a bad option for moving around. It takes forever and doesn't go everywhere, I think it's a great thing to have since most people would probably still use Druid/Wiz ports.

The best thing about adding SoL and PoP is it really spreads out the raiding population. The number of targets across the 5+ tiers is astounding.

The time and energy it takes to set up CoH mages all over VT for easy access to targets is borderline triggering.

A low tier raid guild with a force of 65's can have a blast doing ToV and Luclin targets and trying to get into Vex Thal.

Mid tier can go after targets in PoP and hope to push into the elemental planes.

Psychopaths can go after Plane of Time.

Win/win/win/win.

Losers are the people that want to lock down NToV, ST, and VP so they can flex on mid tier raid guilds and stand in EC tunnel with primal weapons for the next 10+ years.

[Gustoo]

You guys are making my dreams of a second pvp server seem so likely that I can taste it.

[busted]

Add each plane from PoP and make the planar entrance match up with a spot in the world.

Innovation in Steamfont
Fire in Lavastorm
Tranquility in the middle of Erud's Crossing
Disease in RnF channel
You get the idea

This is a great idea to introduce custom content. Imagine clicking on the top of the windmill in steamfont to zone into plane of innovation.

Here's a bonus to make it super interesting... Add these zone-ins but do not announce where they are. It would reintroduce that feeling of exploring an unknown world without an all-encompassing wiki.

[MaCtastic]

Raise the level cap to 65 and add Luclin and PoP AA's.

Add Beast Master but don't add Cats.

Add each plane from PoP and make the planar entrance match up with a spot in the world.

Innovation in Steamfont
Fire in Lavastorm
Tranquility in the middle of Erud's Crossing
Disease in RnF channel
You get the idea.

...

Win/win/win/win.

Losers are the people that want to lock down NToV, ST, and VP so they can flex on mid tier raid guilds and stand in EC tunnel with primal weapons for the next 10+ years.

This. The Bazaar was a QOL improvement, but it removes a major social aspect of the game, which is likely the single largest explanation to its longevity. Without another interactive trading system that supports haggling, its impacts are too grave to be acceptable.

The rapid porting via POK also further removes social interactions, but the nexus portals are in the same category with nearly identical function as a boat, so if you are ok with boats, you should also be fine with those portals. We already have wizards, it’s not like it’s a far-fetched idea that breaks immersion ( like adding a Ferrari F430 to a Middle Ages game would).

Also, the inclusion of the planes and the progression system that it provided were the leak of EQ lore for me. It seemed like the ideal culmination point for the classic experience. Instead of reading about the gods in your dusty old players manual you got to embark on the quest to defeat them with your guild. Surely a few of the hiccups from PoP and SoL could be removed to protect the social interdependence that makes EQ thrive. We need more content on these server, we’ve already reached peak immersion and the depth in content would likely be a good pressure relief for some of the try hards.

Also, I bet there are enough qualified people here to create and design this content if the Nilbog/Rogan team would ever accept applications - it doesn’t have to fall solely on them. Veto anything that doesn’t meet the standing “pseudo classic”” criteria.

[bradsamma]

I'll donate $100 to the server if they open SoL!!!

[Tewaz]

Also, a note on further expansions.

On TAKP (SoL currently, with plans to go to PoP then locked) a completely Classic guild existed that would only move to the next expansion when they conquered the current one. Players could only equip items from the past and current expansion to conquer the expansion's content.

These players made their own "Classic" experience and they had the ability to do it with no problems. The other guilds happily gave them the targets they desired.

[Twochain]

This. The Bazaar was a QOL improvement, but it removes a major social aspect of the game, which is likely the single largest explanation to its longevity. Without another interactive trading system that supports haggling, its impacts are too grave to be acceptable.

The rapid porting via POK also further removes social interactions, but the nexus portals are in the same category with nearly identical function as a boat, so if you are ok with boats, you should also be fine with those portals. We already have wizards, it’s not like it’s a far-fetched idea that breaks immersion ( like adding a Ferrari F430 to a Middle Ages game would).

Also, the inclusion of the planes and the progression system that it provided were the leak of EQ lore for me. It seemed like the ideal culmination point for the classic experience. Instead of reading about the gods in your dusty old players manual you got to embark on the quest to defeat them with your guild. Surely a few of the hiccups from PoP and SoL could be removed to protect the social interdependence that makes EQ thrive. We need more content on these server, we’ve already reached peak immersion and the depth in content would likely be a good pressure relief for some of the try hards.

Also, I bet there are enough qualified people here to create and design this content if the Nilbog/Rogan team would ever accept applications - it doesn’t have to fall solely on them. Veto anything that doesn’t meet the standing “pseudo classic”” criteria.

how do you turn this on

[Tyrenell]

Also, a note on further expansions.

On TAKP (SoL currently, with plans to go to PoP then locked) a completely Classic guild existed that would only move to the next expansion when they conquered the current one. Players could only equip items from the past and current expansion to conquer the expansion's content.

These players made their own "Classic" experience and they had the ability to do it with no problems. The other guilds happily gave them the targets they desired.

My only problem with TAKP is the population is pretty small and how many of those are boxers? Last time I logged in there was about 200ish people and a boxer who was controlling 10 people ran past me, so it got me wondering how many unique people are actually there.

[MaCtastic]

My only problem with TAKP is the population is pretty small and how many of those are boxers? Last time I logged in there was about 200ish people and a boxer who was controlling 10 people ran past me, so it got me wondering how many unique people are actually there.

I normally wouldn’t care about boxing, but each time I think “I’ll give TAKP a shot” im essentially playing solo. Everyone is self sufficient with a three-box and the interaction is very low. Maybe it’s just because I’m playing from an asiatic time zone, but doesn’t change the fact it feels like an empty sever.

If I was going to wager the outcome if they turned that server into a truebox, I’d bet that popularity would go up.

Also, the client kinda of sucks. Middle mouse button not working drastically impacting the ergonomics of play. Yes, 3rd person still works, but the level of precision I have in wheeling out and looking around almost feels natural. Toggling through multiple views, finding the one I want, then looking around, then toggling back to normal mode is cumbersome.

Fix the middle mouse control, you get more players; enable truebox, even more would follow.

[bradsamma]

I normally wouldn’t care about boxing, but each time I think “I’ll give TAKP a shot” im essentially playing solo. Everyone is self sufficient with a three-box and the interaction is very low. Maybe it’s just because I’m playing from an asiatic time zone, but doesn’t change the fact it feels like an empty sever.

If I was going to wager the outcome if they turned that server into a truebox, I’d bet that popularity would go up.

Also, the client kinda of sucks. Middle mouse button not working drastically impacting the ergonomics of play. Yes, 3rd person still works, but the level of precision I have in wheeling out and looking around almost feels natural. Toggling through multiple views, finding the one I want, then looking around, then toggling back to normal mode is cumbersome.

Fix the middle mouse control, you get more players; enable truebox, even more would follow.

I am with you 100% on everything you said here. A true box/one box server locked at pop or oow would get me to make the move tomorrow.

[Solist]

I think that live has taught that random loot rules work amazingly well to weed out antisocial play. Being able to camp any level appropriate boss and get loot from any other is whatEQ desperately needs. P99 should give it a serious consideration for like a 6mo trial. Zero petitions. zero camp disputes. Just need to normalize all XP ZEM’s.

Box on takp, take it or leave it.
Mouse wheel lacking is stupid beyond belief. It’s just so bad.

[dragosanii]

I normally wouldn’t care about boxing, but each time I think “I’ll give TAKP a shot” im essentially playing solo. Everyone is self sufficient with a three-box and the interaction is very low. Maybe it’s just because I’m playing from an asiatic time zone, but doesn’t change the fact it feels like an empty sever.

If I was going to wager the outcome if they turned that server into a truebox, I’d bet that popularity would go up.

Also, the client kinda of sucks. Middle mouse button not working drastically impacting the ergonomics of play. Yes, 3rd person still works, but the level of precision I have in wheeling out and looking around almost feels natural. Toggling through multiple views, finding the one I want, then looking around, then toggling back to normal mode is cumbersome.

Fix the middle mouse control, you get more players; enable truebox, even more would follow.

Exactly what I've just found over the last couple of hours....fully agree. P99 Blue up to PoP....

[Gustoo]

If project 1999 team ever decided to bring their stuff up to POP, they would probably roll out a new server with that promise in mind.

At the same time, again, there are so many alternatives that offer that game play and if the anti box mentality is the only reason you want it to come from project 1999 I don't know if thats reason enough.

Because the stock box EQ EMU code that everyone has is much more aligned with being a POP box and needs little fixing.

Might be better off begging for a non boxing server from live team.

[Tewaz]

I think that live has taught that random loot rules work amazingly well to weed out antisocial play. Being able to camp any level appropriate boss and get loot from any other is whatEQ desperately needs. P99 should give it a serious consideration for like a 6mo trial. Zero petitions. zero camp disputes. Just need to normalize all XP ZEM’s.


This this this.

I would love SoL but Nilbog seems to not prefer it at all, so I don't think we will ever see it.

Now a "very" classic server with the random loot rules from TLP, I could see the crew really getting behind that.

From a development perspective, I'm guessing it would be about 3% of the effort as new expansions.

TAKP is taking 3-4 years to roll out PoP.

[Tewaz]

I ran a 3 box to 65 on TAKP and raided all the highest end content in SoL.

It was really fun, but I definitely feel the server being empty. There is a three box max with an additional box for a bazaar toon, so there are at most 150-250 people playing on the server at a time, with most targets only requiring about 15 people three boxing to take out. Kind of a downer.

[Gustoo]

So many cool ideas and options.

Shooting hopeful hope beams in the ether in the sky towards nilbog and rogean for a cool ideas red server.

For red 2.0 I think it should just be legacy item fixes and hard level caps that progress slowly over time to keep people clustered in a level range which will allow pvp through the whole range for insane fun especially in the 1-40 times when everyone is scrappy as hell. Mmmmm dreaming hard.

[Imago]

hard level caps that progress slowly over time to keep people clustered in a level range

Now that's the dream.

[Tewaz]

I dream of the day Imago Windstrikes these fools again.

[Triode]

Wayfarers Haven (formerly p2002) is up to LDON now and has a great, if small, community with four active raid guilds. The server admin, Trust, and GM's are outstanding, highly responsive and have zero tolerance for toxics or exploits. They also script and run some very cool holiday and anniversary events and quests from time to time with great rewards.

For me, three boxing with wineq2 is good times in outdoor zones, although I don't prefer it for crawling. No other third party software allowed. Autofire and melody are both enabled on WFH (unlike TAKP, if memory serves), so bards and rangers make nice boxes. Word of warning though - monks are post-nerf over there and certainly don't facetank like they can on p99. In any event, if you are looking for some new content and a low key, welcoming community with an instanced raid scene appeals, WFH is a great place to relive Luclin/PoP/LDON content. Sunday evenings, there is often a copperstore in the baz to help gear up those new to the server. I still play 99 blue from time to time, but running only one toon often feels kinda slow compared to WFH now.

[dragosanii]

Wayfarers Haven (formerly p2002) is up to LDON now and has a great, if small, community with four active raid guilds. The server admin, Trust, and GM's are outstanding, highly responsive and have zero tolerance for toxics or exploits. They also script and run some very cool holiday and anniversary events and quests from time to time with great rewards.

For me, three boxing with wineq2 is good times in outdoor zones, although I don't prefer it for crawling. No other third party software allowed. Autofire and melody are both enabled on WFH (unlike TAKP, if memory serves), so bards and rangers make nice boxes. Word of warning though - monks are post-nerf over there and certainly don't facetank like they can on p99. In any event, if you are looking for some new content and a low key, welcoming community with an instanced raid scene appeals, WFH is a great place to relive Luclin/PoP/LDON content. Sunday evenings, there is often a copperstore in the baz to help gear up those new to the server. I still play 99 blue from time to time, but running only one toon often feels kinda slow compared to WFH now.

Just jumped into this server with the wife for the past few hours and it feels great....will be spending some time here I think.

[Triode]

Just jumped into this server with the wife for the past few hours and it feels great....will be spending some time here I think.

Nice! Glad to hear your first impression was a good one. If either of you could use a decent starter weapon or two, shoot me a PM with your character names, and I'm happy to see what I have banked or collecting dust on my trader. Can also toss you an invite to Train - the de facto leveling guild if you haven't gotten one already. (Train has a huge spell bank that is a great resource.)

The Baz gets some use, and there are a number of folks who regularly run well stocked traders (visible/searchable here: https://magelo.wayfarershaven.com/index.php?page=bazaar ), but in addition to that and the copperstore I mentioned, quality gear and spells are also regularly offered up and gifted in PoK. It is a really nice culture for those who enjoy a non-competitive game economy where supply outstrips demand - or simply want an alternative to mix it up with p99. Being handed a copy of torpor for free makes for quite the contrast as opposed to the 100k price here...

[Ravager]

More like "Shadows of Fartlin"

[Scalem]

More like "Shadows of Fartlin"

Haha got em!

[Snaggles]

Id assume staff could make a mirror server and xfer people over if they want to go down that route. Just a matter of the staff wants to reinput all that Luclin code or even deal with that aspect of fixing things that took them over a decade to dial in on Blue (as best they can).

Watching guilds pull their hair out on what to do would be amusing though :) .

[Worry]

Will never happen but Luclin is a great expansion. No idea why so many people hate it

[Gustoo]

It isn't about the hate. It is about the fundamental shift of the entire game that resulted from the massive changes.

1. Find
2. Maps
3. Bazaar easy sell no personal interaction
4. Teleports
5. Old world totally obsoleted by super exp zones all through luclin
6. Old world items totally obsoleted by super elite weapons and items super easy to get through luclin
7. ETC

Its fun to continue progress but as mentioned, project 1999 was about re-creating the original, simpler yet harder and less assisted version of everquest.

Lots of servers have those other features and include luclin for you to enjoy.

Maybe one day whoever owns regular EQ will do a proper TLP. They have to have original code somewhere.

[Croco]

1. Find was super limited, not really used much
2. Maps are fantastic and you can use them on p99 already with a 3rd party program.
3. No one except no life EC fatcats like EC. Bazaar was the single best thing ever introduced to EQ ever.
4. Teleports from the nexus are super limited and only happen every 15 min, at this point they would supplement the fact that Dial is a shell of it's former self with so many of it's members going to green.
5. That can be easily fixed by having some hot zones across various continents.
6. That happens with virtually every expansion in every MMO. The high end kunark weapons don't hold a candle to velious weaponry for most classes. Also 100hp is still the top end for luclin except for 1 item so high end gear from velious and select kunark 100hp items aren't obsolete.

Luclin is the Rodney Dangerfield of early EQ expansions. It's actually a great expansion but gets no respect.

[Gustoo]

Derails original content. AA's too.

Great expansion. Great game. Changes the game too much. Not classic. Literally any other server basically gives this to you. Stock open source EQ EMU Code is pretty much luclin + code so maybe put together your own server?

[Croco]

Again virtually every mmo expansion "derails original content" they all stack off each other, one step at a time. AA's give a reason to play your main character if you aren't a person that likes to make tons of alts. As one of those people I loved AA's because it felt like I could continue to play my main while making meaningful progress.

Personally I think the "not classic" argument is a cop out. There's to many things to list about this project that aren't classic. Regardless of whether they're trying to recreate a "classic" feel or not. I define "Classic" everquest as launch to PoP. Other people define it other ways.

All I know is that we're 6 years into velious and we have one of if not the most toxic raid scene in the servers history with precious little content to go around for raid guilds. Launching some form of Luclin would add a TON of new raid content which would trickle down to a lot of smaller guilds getting to experience raid content that currently don't have that opportunity and would likely revitalize the blue population.

[Tewaz]

All I know is that we're 6 years into velious and we have one of if not the most toxic raid scene in the servers history with precious little content to go around for raid guilds. Launching some form of Luclin would add a TON of new raid content which would trickle down to a lot of smaller guilds getting to experience raid content that currently don't have that opportunity and would likely revitalize the blue population.

This is my biggest personal argument for SoL/PoP/custom content.

The raid scene would still remain toxic at the top, but other guilds would have access to some incredible gear.

If you want to raid right now you either become a crazy person or have a shit experience.

[SantagarBrax]

sigh

Staff spent a lot of time and effort removing luclin content from the p99 server code.

And they could just collaborate with p2002 or TAKP *Edit* and get the code back, removing whatever they felt necessary, which would be much easier....

[SantagarBrax]

1. Find was super limited, not really used much
2. Maps are fantastic and you can use them on p99 already with a 3rd party program.
3. No one except no life EC fatcats like EC. Bazaar was the single best thing ever introduced to EQ ever.
4. Teleports from the nexus are super limited and only happen every 15 min, at this point they would supplement the fact that Dial is a shell of it's former self with so many of it's members going to green.
5. That can be easily fixed by having some hot zones across various continents.
6. That happens with virtually every expansion in every MMO. The high end kunark weapons don't hold a candle to velious weaponry for most classes. Also 100hp is still the top end for luclin except for 1 item so high end gear from velious and select kunark 100hp items aren't obsolete.

Luclin is the Rodney Dangerfield of early EQ expansions. It's actually a great expansion but gets no respect.

I concur with Croco's statement. Luclin is a great classic expansion. I've made a beastlord / necro on p2002 and its fun leveling up in luclin zones. Luclin models turned off for all characters, not waiting / begging 20 mins for a port to get somewhere is rather refreshing. Not spending time in EC looking for something is rewarding. You still lose pets on zoning / camping out, etc. It doesn't feel that different from p99 to be honest, just a little more time efficient. I also zone in 2 seconds...what's up with that p99??

I'd love to be able to take my Blue account to luclin, or even server xfer it if necessary.
I'd donate $500 right now, make it so.

[Zuranthium]

Everquest = Norrath

Luclin sucks because it doesn't feel like a coherent place; the design of the zones is generally not good, losing the magic and authenticity of the earlier world and being too disconnected. It's like going from Lord of the Rings to some low-budget version of Dune.

If you want AA's or the ability to turn yourself into an AFK Vendor (aka, the Bazaar) that could just be implemented within the existing game world anyway. No reason to bring Luclin in.

[Croco]

there are literally dozens of reasons to bring luclin in, and if you don't like the luclin zones you can just not go to them, problem solved

[Tunabros]

most p99 players play here because they hate luclin and beyond

[Croco]

most p99 players play here because they hate luclin and beyond

I think that's a very well worn path tread by a very vocal minority.

[Zuranthium]

there are literally dozens of reasons to bring luclin in, and if you don't like the luclin zones you can just not go to them, problem solved

This is dumb reasoning, introducing shitty new content of that scale inherently means the rest of the game world and player population will be impacted.

[enjchanter]

release it
vulak is too easy

[SantagarBrax]

"Shitty new content" VT keys alone are double the timesink of VP keys...opens up kunark/velious raiding content for the server...it's a Win Win for everyone.

+ there's some fun new wars out there with the hollowshade moors and other zones. I don't think most people realize how fun luclin was because PoP came out too soon, it wasn't OP'ed either.

What warrior doesn't want enraging blow on Blade of Carnage? AA's brought much needed class balances. The list of beneficial changes far outweighs any negatives and most importantly, raid petitions reduce significantly in numbers thus making staff happy.

[Solist]

Classic, kunark and velious are flooded with empty, unused, unfinished zones.

There's 20 i could name off hands that are extremely broken, underutilised, unfinished, etc. Adding luclin barely adds any more, but it does open a shitload of content up for people.

If you applied luclin level content to p99 asbergers it would be truely remarkable gameplay. I'd love to see the novel approaches to many of the ring events, steps that can be skipped, quests half bypassed etc. Would be unlike luclin ever done on EQ before excepting the all but perfected endgame farming of Al Kabor for rotated AHR necks.

The content is really fun, zones are far better tuned than velious was.

[Danth]

Luclin was trash, Planes of Power even worse, and they'd ruin P1999 insofar as I care. I'm here specifically because those expansions ruined the game for me, and they'd ruin it again.

Danth

[Croco]

Luclin was trash, Planes of Power even worse, and they'd ruin P1999 insofar as I care. I'm here specifically because those expansions ruined the game for me, and they'd ruin it again.

Danth

Enter the extremely vocal extreme minority I was referring to. Ok Boomer.

[putrid_plum]

i like how people say most hate luclin and dont want it then there is a forum post where 95% of the people want luclin... irony?

[Croco]

i like how people say most hate luclin and dont want it then there is a forum post where 95% of the people want luclin... irony?

The vast majority of the server would love Luclin. There's about 2 dozen salty sea dogs who shout very loudly into the void every time this topic comes up and there's a reason it comes up often.

[A Knight]

I wouldn't mind a Luclin server but I would prefer an original only server.

Or reset the server every 5 years, as it should be for any mmo. And not a progression server where its bam bam bam next expansion.

[Quigly4000]

My brother and I also both loved playing through Luclin! I actually came to this forum specifically today to see if there was any discussion about adding luclin.

[Zuranthium]

The vast majority of the server would love Luclin. There's about 2 dozen salty sea dogs who shout very loudly into the void every time this topic comes up and there's a reason it comes up often.

Do you not understand what website you're on? The goal of P99 was to recreate pre-Luclin Everquest.

I'm not surprised people are bored, though, and think adding an expansion will suddenly make things better. It won't change the flawed game mechanics, the time waste, and the fact that the info is already out there and you're not doing anything new or interesting or skillful, only repeating tired old grinding. Things will only be worse, as instead of staring at carefully created pixels that were part of a well-considered world, you'll be staring at artistically defunct pixels.

[Croco]

Do you not understand what website you're on? The goal of P99 was to recreate pre-Luclin Everquest.

I'm not surprised people are bored, though, and think adding an expansion will suddenly make things better. It won't change the flawed game mechanics, the time waste, and the fact that the info is already out there and you're not doing anything new or interesting or skillful, only repeating tired old grinding. Things will only be worse, as instead of staring at carefully created pixels that were part of a well-considered world, you'll be staring at artistically defunct pixels.

That's literally the same argument against releasing the Green server. It's hilarious you think that all the pixels created during classic-velious are from a well-considered world. Dev's had no idea what they were doing with classic & kunark loot and only barely figured it out in velious. Luclin is the first time you see loot that was fully balanced across all classes without any garbage stats like int on monk gear and the like.

Luclin is the culmination of the EQ dev team firing on all cylinders and you can tell by how well crafted and iconic the vast majority of the Luclin raids are, minus vex thal which is just them throwing up their hands and adding 10x hp to all the mobs to create the illusion of difficulty. Ssra Temple is easily one of the most iconic zones in the history of EQ.

Obviously we all understand that this project was meant to cap at velious. This thread and conversation is with that caveat in mind and we're discussing the merits of releasing Luclin.

[Tunabros]

I rather kill dragons than kill snakes and play with furries

[Jimbingym]

I rather kill dragons than kill snakes and play with furries

[Izmael]

Luclin is the first time you see loot that was fully balanced across all classes

That's also when live EQ became boring.

The imbalance, the imperfection is the essence of classic EQ and that's the reason we're here.

Otherwise we'd play other, newer, "better balanced" (but desperately boring) MMOs.

[Croco]

That's also when live EQ became boring.

The imbalance, the imperfection is the essence of classic EQ and that's the reason we're here.

Otherwise we'd play other, newer, "better balanced" (but desperately boring) MMOs.

That might be the reason you're here but that's not why all people love classic eq. Some people play on p99 because back in the day it was the only game in town and it's basically the only real emu server that doesn't allow boxing. If there was a luclin or pop server that was single box like p99 and had a decent population I would be there in a heartbeat and leave this dystopian hellscape behind forever.

Tuna no one would force you to kill snakes or interact with vah shir. Although Kunark lore is absolutely filled with the Shissar. There are a lot of misses with Luclin, it's by no means a perfect expansion, but it's also a LOT better than the nay sayers give it credit for.

EQ live became bad and boring with the release of Gates of Discord. Luclin and Pop are the pinnacle of EQ.

[Gustoo]

Can we ban everyone in this thread that wants to make the only classic server non classic? Lol dang

[Gustoo]

Do you not understand what website you're on? The goal of P99 was to recreate pre-Luclin Everquest.

I'm not surprised people are bored, though, and think adding an expansion will suddenly make things better. It won't change the flawed game mechanics, the time waste, and the fact that the info is already out there and you're not doing anything new or interesting or skillful, only repeating tired old grinding. Things will only be worse, as instead of staring at carefully created pixels that were part of a well-considered world, you'll be staring at artistically defunct pixels.

This is the correct assessment.

We’re ready for a new classic server not taking the whole project off the rails

[Croco]

We're just discussing the merits of adding Luclin and you all are losing your god damn minds.

Also this project is not classic. It's not in the same universe as classic. Go look on the wiki at all the non-classic changes that have been made. This server being classic died a quick death long long ago.

[A Knight]

I've said this too many times and it feels tacky some how saying it more, but Luclin started taking away from the feel of the world. People might just have to accept that, in order for an MMORPG to be good, it has to be way nerdy and you need to walk distances through the world. I think most people want to make an MMORPG a skill contest, thus then instantly teleporting to all their fights, which I guess sometimes makes sense.

And I think the item balance was a little off, I could be wrong but I didn't make it far into the expansion. It could have been because I was a kid and I was mad that all my gear was bad now but I'm not sure. Luclin just felt like trash that I was in denial of, until one day I concluded the game was dead.

Added later:

Sorry to bash on Luclin, but ehh I think it will be ok on a p99 website. I'd like to play Luclin again one day because to put simply, I think sometimes there is a nostalgia feeling when there is none.

And also if a super hardcore version of Wow came out and it was fun, people with lives still might enjoy regular Wow because its quick and saves time. So I'm not saying no to EQ for people will lives and no time on their hands. Just a classic server and Luclin plus server.

[MaCtastic]

The more I think about it, they haven’t even released a refresh red server and there has been demand for years. The likelihood that we’ll see anything on blue related to luclin negligible. Also, combined with their statements regarding intent of server, I wouldn’t be surprised that this same logic be applied to blue.

I think most of the folks (speaking for myself) would like to see up to PoP here are based on: 1) the client and its ergonomics are far better than the other options, 2) the stance on boxing and how it keeps a healthy population and social interdependence , and 3) the amount of players and existing relationships that already exist in this community. If it were to happen in P99 land, I wouldn’t be made if it was a new server that started withy he intent to end in PoP, even if it was slightly customized to remove the big-No issues that we collectively agree are bad.

I do understand that other servers exist, but they are not the same as the experience here. There just isn’t a truebox PoP server, that has a good client, and has demonstrated they are in for the long haul.

[A Knight]

I think it would be cool, if 5,000 years from now, with flying cars in the sky, its no longer fashionable for companies to fight over rights for games so much. Then we could have two main basis, classic and Luclin plus. But through some filter of popularity different versions of expansion can come out, thus adding a different expansion after Velious, even of more than one variety.

Just some company with the rights in the future, saying "Give me your 15 dollars to play our game." not, "This is our game now, you play it our way."

[A Knight]

I'm not involved in EQ Next by the way. Sounds like a bad idea just because, once everyone gets involved in the game to that kind of level (Or at least not at first.) it takes away the mystique of new content.

Like an item at Best Buy wrapped in plastic saying. "New!" Sure eventually we can get it all online but maybe the foundation of a game should start with human flaws of marketing appeal, and that some company made it.

[Zuranthium]

That's literally the same argument against releasing the Green server. It's hilarious you think that all the pixels created during classic-velious are from a well-considered world. Dev's had no idea what they were doing with classic & kunark loot and only barely figured it out in velious. Luclin is the first time you see loot that was fully balanced across all classes without any garbage stats like int on monk gear and the like.

How are you trying to argue that someone not wanting Luclin would be the same as not wanting a Green server? What does stats on gear have to do with the actual game world? This paragraph is nonsense and you seem very confused.

Luclin is the culmination of the EQ dev team firing on all cylinders and you can tell by how well crafted and iconic the vast majority of the Luclin raids are, minus vex thal which is just them throwing up their hands and adding 10x hp to all the mobs to create the illusion of difficulty. Ssra Temple is easily one of the most iconic zones in the history of EQ.

Ssra isn't iconic, 99.9% of the playerbase never did it. Almost nobody had the playtime and guild to being doing the content, and PoP came along quickly with better gear for less effort, invalidating the Luclin content to a bigger degree than had been seen in any previous expansion jump (the high tier Luclin loot was actually very underwhelming when it came out and was later buffed). Tons of people were still playing Velious content during Luclin, since the Luclin shit was gatekept and too difficult for most guilds anyway. PoP content offered options right away and was the more important raiding path, so people just skipped high-end Luclin. Also, this is when many Classic-era players were starting to quit the game anyway.

You only speak of raids though. Raids are not all that EQ is, they weren't even supposed to be the most frequently played aspect of the game, at least in the form they took on. Most of Luclin does not look good (especially with trash like the mounts) and does not feel like EQ proper. You can feel the artificiality of the zones as you go through them, the boxiness and the poorly placed and designed assets, how there is little sense of it being an actual world with real inhabitants. It was not a well-conceived concept, it was just supposed to seem cool in its "departure from Norrath", to get more people to buy it. There's plenty of stuff I don't love about Velious, but it at least had a vision and cohesion with the Dragon/Giant/Dwarf angle and being an iceland, which was a terrain type that Everquest didn't have much of yet. Doing quests in Velious, you actually feel like you're participating in a story or epic thing at times, whereas with Luclin it takes on more of the bad, modern MMO feeling of things just standing around and being there in service of the superficial fetch-quest itself.

What's iconic is taking the boat to Velious for the first time and running past the massive Tower of Frozen Shadow, seeing giants roam around, as other creatures that actually make sense inhabit the shoreline. Or running down through the massive chasm towards Kael for the first time. Or wandering around the wastes, feeling the chill in your bones, and getting a sense of the cultures that authentically exist there.

Luclin and Pop are the pinnacle of EQ.

Planes of Power is especially garbage. Plane of Knowledge and its stupid bookstands across Norrath totally spit in the face of an actual immersive world, and the Planes are underwhelming boxes that demystify and make generic these big concepts, which are supposed to be expansive and complex and magnificent. The planes introduced in earlier eras, while definitely not full "alternate planes of existence", are at least atmospheric. Plane of Fear and Hate are truly iconic, with the way an entire raid was in jeopardy of wiping from the moment they entered, and in the very horror-esque detailing. Plane of Mischief, although seen by almost no players during the actual Classic timeline, is wonderfully zany and definitely feels exactly like an ironic Van Gogh-eqsue madhouse that spawned from this God's imagination. Plane of Growth is more generic but at least it's very big and green, giving the sense of an aspect of Tunare's realm, and while the content in Plane of Sky never quite made sense, the islands-in-the-air design (and danger of falling off!) did feel on the outset like a proper high fantasy place.

What's further underwhelming about Planes of Power is the unmemorable way in which they are entered, starting with just clicking in from some random stupid stone in a tiny zone that people of all levels are bunched up running around in. It's SO artificial and unsatisfying. That expansion being so linearly raid-focused is despicable too, it's empty spoon-fed gameplay, no real adventure, just this pre-set script sitting there for people to go through the motions, so that they can keep on the gear treadmill and feel like they are advancing. A rat race.

[Danth]

...and while the content in Plane of Sky never quite made sense, the islands-in-the-air design (and danger of falling off!) did feel on the outset like a proper high fantasy place.

This is one of several zones that I think we can chalk up to the technology available not quite being able to pull off what the artists wanted to do.

i like how people say most hate luclin and dont want it then there is a forum post where 95% of the people want luclin... irony?

When P1999 was in its own beta, there were no shortage of folks on the old forum insisting, vehemently at times, that "everyone" wanted a PvP server or unrestricted multi-boxing or other such rotten things. Folks who aren't getting what they want have more reason to post than folks who're already where they want to be.

Danth

[Croco]

How are you trying to argue that someone not wanting Luclin would be the same as not wanting a Green server? What does stats on gear have to do with the actual game world? This paragraph is nonsense and you seem very confused.

Because That's exactly what happened to blue when green released. People were bored on blue so they went to green either for some misguided attempt to experience EQ fresh, which is impossible, or because they want to get those legacy items they missed out on because they didn't start on blue day one. Especially the part where you say the following "It won't change the flawed game mechanics, the time waste, and the fact that the info is already out there and you're not doing anything new or interesting or skillful, only repeating tired old grinding." That is literally the green server in a nutshell.


Ssra isn't iconic, 99.9% of the playerbase never did it. Almost nobody had the playtime and guild to being doing the content, and PoP came along quickly with better gear for less effort, invalidating the Luclin content to a bigger degree than had been seen in any previous expansion jump (the high tier Luclin loot was actually very underwhelming when it came out and was later buffed). Tons of people were still playing Velious content during Luclin, since the Luclin shit was gatekept and too difficult for most guilds anyway. PoP content offered options right away and was the more important raiding path, so people just skipped high-end Luclin. Also, this is when many Classic-era players were starting to quit the game anyway.

Ssra isn't iconic ok sure whatever you say. I have my opinion and you have yours. It was an exp zone as well as a raid zone and I guarantee you more than .1% of the player base got to experience Ssra Temple in one form or another. Pop might've been less effort than keying for VT, my guild on live skipped VT for this reason, but Ssra is an open zone with no flags and minimal keys, it had great gear for the effort because it took almost no effort to do Ssra raids and the gear was 100% relevant after PoP launched because some of the best weapons in the game that you wouldn't upgrade until PoTime dropped in Ssra.

You only speak of raids though. Raids are not all that EQ is, they weren't even supposed to be the most frequently played aspect of the game, at least in the form they took on. Most of Luclin does not look good (especially with trash like the mounts) and does not feel like EQ proper. You can feel the artificiality of the zones as you go through them, the boxiness and the poorly placed and designed assets, how there is little sense of it being an actual world with real inhabitants. It was not a well-conceived concept, it was just supposed to seem cool in its "departure from Norrath", to get more people to buy it. There's plenty of stuff I don't love about Velious, but it at least had a vision and cohesion with the Dragon/Giant/Dwarf angle and being an iceland, which was a terrain type that Everquest didn't have much of yet. Doing quests in Velious, you actually feel like you're participating in a story or epic thing at times, whereas with Luclin it takes on more of the bad, modern MMO feeling of things just standing around and being there in service of the superficial fetch-quest itself.

Obviously raiding isn't everything, there are great exp zones in Luclin that have nothing to do with raiding. I won't disagree with you that Velious had a better storyline than Luclin, it hit you over the head with it, you had a great dwarf city and they wanted to you to kill the giants, and along the way you found out the dragons also liked you killing giants so you quickly realized ok I'm on team dwarf/giant. I'm sure Luclin has some great lore but it doesn't stick it in your face as much as Velious did. It's just two different approaches, obviously you like one better than the other and that's fine. Some people aren't lore fiends and don't really care what the story is with the Scarlet Desert or why there's a giant wizard spire in Mons Letalis with a ton of shadowy figures guarding it.

What's iconic is taking the boat to Velious for the first time

You misspelled "boring af"

and running past the massive Tower of Frozen Shadow, seeing giants roam around, as other creatures that actually make sense inhabit the shoreline. Or running down through the massive chasm towards Kael for the first time. Or wandering around the wastes, feeling the chill in your bones, and getting a sense of the cultures that authentically exist there.

Yes I agree that is iconic. More than one thing can be iconic. Ask 100 people who enjoyed Luclin to name an iconic zone and I bet 90 of them say Ssra Temple, it IS iconic.

Planes of Power is especially garbage. Plane of Knowledge and its stupid bookstands across Norrath totally spit in the face of an actual immersive world, and the Planes are underwhelming boxes that demystify and make generic these big concepts, which are supposed to be expansive and complex and magnificent. The planes introduced in earlier eras, while definitely not full "alternate planes of existence", are at least atmospheric. Plane of Fear and Hate are truly iconic, with the way an entire raid was in jeopardy of wiping from the moment they entered, and in the very horror-esque detailing. Plane of Mischief, although seen by almost no players during the actual Classic timeline, is wonderfully zany and definitely feels exactly like an ironic Van Gogh-eqsue madhouse that spawned from this God's imagination. Plane of Growth is more generic but at least it's very big and green, giving the sense of an aspect of Tunare's realm, and while the content in Plane of Sky never quite made sense, the islands-in-the-air design (and danger of falling off!) did feel on the outset like a proper high fantasy place.

PoP is the single best expansion EQ has ever had. Full stop. It's a culmination of the journey you start when you first create your character and you're asked which diety you want to follow/worship and maybe you do quests for your diety that give specific loot only those followers can use but eventually you gain power, grow bolder, and decide actually I want to challenge these so called gods and take their fat loots. It's the classic "rage against the heavens" trope. Not all of the various planes introduced in PoP are as iconic as the originals we get early in EQ and that's fine. Not every Plane needs to look or function the same but the fact that we get to go into their home planes and slay actual gods was and is incredibly iconic and a LOT of fun. These aren't random dragons like Nagafen or Vox, this is THE LORD MITHANIEL MARR, and I just killed him! EQ subscriber count peaked at the end of 2004 and started declining there after, mostly because of WoW. Whether you like it or not Luclin and PoP were incredibly popular with the playerbase.

What's further underwhelming about Planes of Power is the unmemorable way in which they are entered, starting with just clicking in from some random stupid stone in a tiny zone that people of all levels are bunched up running around in. It's SO artificial and unsatisfying. That expansion being so linearly raid-focused is despicable too, it's empty spoon-fed gameplay, no real adventure, just this pre-set script sitting there for people to go through the motions, so that they can keep on the gear treadmill and feel like they are advancing. A rat race.

Welcome to all MMO's you must be new around here.

We all get it, you don't like Luclin or PoP, but you are in the minority. The vast majority of EQ players loved those expansions as evidenced by how wildly popular EQ was at that time and how subscriptions continued to go up and didn't start declining until WoW dethroned EQ as the number one MMO. Your opinion is valid, I'm sorry you didn't like Luclin and PoP, but it's just your opinion just as these are our opinions.

It just happens to be that more people agree with us than agree with you.

[Snaggles]

One of my mains is a ranger. I actually like the underdog aspect of the class pre-Luclin. P99 has embraced a lot of the aspects of the class that make it tolerable (bumping).

Personally I'd rather have autofire as a quality of life feature than AM3 and EQ. Yea I'd rather be hamstrung than be trendy but I'm sure I'm in the minority.

[A Knight]

I don't remember for sure, but when Luclin spire ports came out, there still might have been some hope that "Hey maybe Luclin just requires more ports in Luclin."

But when POP came out it was like finding out, an FPS now gives free headshots, because people don't like when they miss headshots. Like... oh.... EQ is dead.

I still haven't found the best metaphor for this, but the statement of "Most people liked _____." The "most people" or general population of people have always liked crazy things through time, and we looked back and disagreed later.

But back to, people might enjoy MMORPGs but they just don't want to play them in a nerdy style. That might unfortunately have to be the way they are fun. Where as, if you play a standard MMO, you might want to believe its great some how, but eventually people can't lie to themselves anymore that its bad.

People might want to enjoy MMOs because its a great idea, they might just not want to believe, how the actual reality of how they are fun.

But hey maybe not, maybe I'm just trying to force my Immersive world MMO religion on you. I hope people really enjoy games like that if its their thing, I still want to try Luclin.

[A Knight]

I need to get out all these negative vibes. I could play a beastlord these days.... Wow classic has been pretty fun lately... /breathes

I'm really not upset, I just had to shake off negative vibes so people don't think I was upset. Honestly

[Croco]

I don't remember for sure, but when Luclin spire ports came out, there still might have been some hope that "Hey maybe Luclin just requires more ports in Luclin."

But when POP came out it was like finding out, an FPS now gives free headshots, because people don't like when they miss headshots. Like... oh.... EQ is dead.

I still haven't found the best metaphor for this, but the statement of "Most people liked _____." The "most people" or general population of people have always liked crazy things through time, and we looked back and disagreed later.

But back to, people might enjoy MMORPGs but they just don't want to play them in a nerdy style. That might unfortunately have to be the way they are fun. Where as, if you play a standard MMO, you might want to believe its great some how, but eventually people can't lie to themselves anymore that its bad.

People might want to enjoy MMOs because its a great idea, they might just not want to believe, how the actual reality of how they are fun.

But hey maybe not, maybe I'm just trying to force my Immersive world MMO religion on you. I hope people really enjoy games like that if its their thing, I still want to try Luclin.

Unfortunately not every server back in the day had dial a port, or something similar so PoK and it's ports were a breath of fresh air to me. Making the world seem smaller was an unfortunate side effect but it also made it so if you wanted to go put a group together and fight in a dungeon it didn't take you 30 minutes just to get to the camp.

[A Knight]

Unfortunately not every server back in the day had dial a port, or something similar so PoK and it's ports were a breath of fresh air to me. Making the world seem smaller was an unfortunate side effect but it also made it so if you wanted to go put a group together and fight in a dungeon it didn't take you 30 minutes just to get to the camp.

That's true. I think Luclin could be fun, but because it came from a different version of a game, there might be a big tear when it comes to the split from casual gaming to no-life gaming.

I really don't have much hard feelings over it anymore. Maybe unless all classic gaming disappeared. Luclin might have less past negative feelings from me, if it was labeled a brand new game.

[Zuranthium]

Unfortunately not every server back in the day had dial a port, or something similar so PoK and it's ports were a breath of fresh air to me. Making the world seem smaller was an unfortunate side effect but it also made it so if you wanted to go put a group together and fight in a dungeon it didn't take you 30 minutes just to get to the camp.

The journey is part of playing the game. It's necessary for travel to have some kind of restriction, that's how things work in an actual world, and it makes the destination sweeter when you have to put more effort in to get there. Instant travel not being available to everyone creates player choice of do they stay in the same spot even if it seems to be getting overpopulated, or do they go somewhere else. If zones are designed well enough (risk vs reward), then people will make the journeys. It's also important for starting areas to have actual communities, instead of everyone just rushing off to the most popular spots. Generally it wasn't even that hard to get a port as soon as enough decent level Druids and Wizards were on a server, it just required doing a /who all for Druids and Wizards and talking to them.

For an ideal MMO, I wouldn't even let low level players be able to get a port. It's crucial for characters to have an origin and for those areas to retain a population (which also needs to be from the areas having something that higher level players need). Something else you can do with that setup is have quests for low level players that reward a long amount of travel, if they choose to do it (which might be because they want to go play with a friend in another part of the world). Imagine if there was a big quest in EQ for running from Freeport to Qeynos on foot, or Rivervale to Akanon, etc. Would be so much more exciting, for the people who find that to be fun.

[StinkyGreenBud]

NO

[Mblake1981]

Luclin and Pop are the pinnacle of EQ.

The pinnacle of EQ is Kelethin and dungeons like lower Guk and Permafrost.

[Croco]

The pinnacle of EQ is Kelethin and dungeons like lower Guk and Permafrost.

Agree to disagree.

[Kika Maslyaka]

People obviously want more content.
But everyone seem to be stuck on Luclin or PoP, like there is nowhere else to go.

Some things to consider:

1. There are OTHER expansions currently available in both T and RoF clients that can provide GAZZILION OF CONTENT.

2. People make common mistake of thinking that an expansion is ALL or NOTHING kind of deal. Its NOT. If most people would be happy to add just ONE zone out of entire expansion - then add just that one zone. If people concerned that loot from expansion will outvalue old loot to much - adjust that loot down. People worry that some zone X had crazy XP mod that devalued old zones - remove than XP mod. ETC.

You need to think of this as bunch of LEGO blocks that can be arranged in any order into any form and any color. You want to add Lopping Planes to Faydwer? With mobs from LDON? With proper fay-theme inspired loot? Then do just that.

I agree than Luclin expansion was heavily out of theme. And I would prefer it would never happened. So skip it. Plenty of expansions past that were very well in-theme. Dragons of Norath, Serpent Spine, etc. All those building blocks are available to be used. Play with them.

[Tunabros]

playing my cleric on TAKP right now

see you guys over there

[hamirez]

I just want DOT damage back on chat window for necros, shamans and druids. Btw bards can be out of it.

[Bardp1999]

I just want DOT damage back on chat window for necros, shamans and druids. Btw bards can be out of it.

+1,000,000,000 yes votes

It makes playing a DoT class massively less immersive

[jolanar]

+1,000,000,000 yes votes

It makes playing a DoT class massively less immersive

Haven't played my shaman since they took that out lol.

[Tunabros]

yeah lol

like what do we do after casting our spells? /gems??

[Crede]

I just want DOT damage back on chat window for necros, shamans and druids. Btw bards can be out of it.

Yea I would have lost pet windows over this.

[Tunabros]

*sips my grape juice while reading this thread with TAKP in the background*

[busted]

I just want DOT damage back on chat window for necros, shamans and druids. Btw bards can be out of it.

Another +100000000 to this

This was a big bummer when it got nerfed. Would be great to see this come back. It just doesn't seem right that nukers can see damage dealt but not dotters.

Additionally, there is no way to verify if the dots are doing the correct amount of damage without the messages. Not saying there are bugs but this would be a good safe guard against any code regressions.

If players don't want to see the damage they could hide in another chat window.

[Toxigen]

there isnt a single player on p99 that wanted DoT dmg text removed

no idea wtf they were smoking on that one

[Videri]

there isnt a single player on p99 that wanted DoT dmg text removed

no idea wtf they were smoking on that one

classic

You know they don't care how we feel. They only care about accurately replicating a classic environment.

[Crede]

classic

You know they don't care how we feel. They only care about accurately replicating a classic environment.

Pet windows are on blue and aren’t classic, come again

[Videri]

Pet windows are on blue and aren’t classic, come again

Don't ask me. Ask Rogean. https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2958808

He didn't say the pet window would come to Green eventually. Then again, he didn't say it wouldn't!

[Jayzeus]

classic

You know they don't care how we feel. They only care about accurately replicating a classic environment.

https://i.imgur.com/51ROzPM.gif

[Sizar]

When dot damage tracking was removed my Shaman was level 56. Took him to 60 in HS root rotting ent and basement. You kinda get to know based on the mob's health% when to re-click epic. Some mobs are higher level and have more hp, or the bile's have more. Takes a bit but after after a while you get used to it.

That being said I REALLY wish it was still here, I'd like to know how much dmg my bard actually does with the dot's

[Solstice79]

The bazaar is a big reasons why I left EQ, please no.

[Tynan]

If the Devs do decide to add Luclin / PoP content, PLEASE allow those of us who want to keep their characters in the Original Trilogy setting to do so. Either allow character Transfers to Original Trilogy servers (Green, Blue or Red, doesn't matter honestly) or make an entirely new Sequels Server. Color it Purple or something :-)

[Gustoo]

P99 staff created this server to stop at velious because thats when for them and everyone else the real everquest died.

Real P99ers are even questioning velious at this point.

PEQ and P2002 are for you guys. Or Shards of Dalaya if you just gotta have more than the "classic" trilogy has to offer.

Don't sweat it Tynan.

[Croco]

P99 staff created this server to stop at velious because thats when for them and everyone else the real everquest died.

Real P99ers are even questioning velious at this point.

PEQ and P2002 are for you guys. Or Shards of Dalaya if you just gotta have more than the "classic" trilogy has to offer.

Don't sweat it Tynan.

Except Rogean is living it up raiding Plane of Time on the regs so clearly we've determined that's a f'in lie. There's obviously a pretty large contingent of people who would love to see Luclin content come to the P99 ecosystem, and an extremely vocal minority who hates it for "reasons". They should definitely do what Tynan is suggesting and start a Purple server that goes up to Luclin that starts fresh at classic. I have no doubt it would be a huge hit. If they need to make room they could just shut down red. The less than 5% of the p99 player base who still plays there wouldn't be missed.

[Bardp1999]

If you level every class to 60 you should get to unlock Beastlord

[branamil]

If they really wanted luclin they could just rip off the TAKP code. But the only update we'll get in the next 5 years is for them to turn off something benign but ""not classic" like 3rd person view, but leave in glaring ""not classic" things and leave in mobs falling through the ground.

[Trexller]

How is it that you people forget the arguments and discussions from the various beg for luclin threads that pop up every few months?

P99 has item links, but you're all ok with that so nobody ever cries not classic on links. item links were the *Last* patch before luclin, not available at launch or thru kunark/velious.

P99 rogues move with shroud of stealth (Luclin AA), not sneak/hide. Anyone ever wonder why you can sneak past basically any mob?

Lists, rooted mobs, racing, drafts.

P99 is *NOT* a classic emulator, it is EverQuest: As envisioned by nilbog.

If the rumors about how their code was obtained are true, then TAKP is the most classic everquest experience on planet earth.

I'll be back to remind you in the next beg for luclin thread, yet again.

[Croco]

if takp didn't allow boxing I would leave this community behind and never look back

[Trexller]

if takp didn't allow boxing I would leave this community behind and never look back

yeah i never understood that mindset. as if nobody ever boxed in the "classic" era on live.

I boxed on live, and many many many others did as well. I was like 13 with 2 desktop PCs and 2 phone lines.

Multi-Boxing is 100% classic and 100% originally intended. (multi-boxers pay for multiple accounts, obviously they wanted this, otherwise the software would have locked you out after 1 login, yes this was possible in '99)

So you wanna play Solo thats it? There are plenty of people who single box on takp. There are also 3 boxers who seek out solo players for the 4th person group xp bonus.

For having alot more zones than P99, the Takp community feels tighter and closer, and alot more human. They don't put up with 10% of the shit that goes on here.

Frankly, playing 1 account is boring AF.

[A Knight]

Frankly, playing 1 account is boring AF.

If we could only get a casual MMORPG, in which dying made you want to quit the game. Maybe then I could relearn algebra in the motivation to have the best castle.

But then maybe I could feel relaxed in compared, to you all non-autists, and play classic EQ with no boxing. Or at least someone who pays in some way for multi-boxing in a still admirable way. (Maybe not. Might be fiction. Elon musk?)

[Croco]

yeah i never understood that mindset. as if nobody ever boxed in the "classic" era on live.

I boxed on live, and many many many others did as well. I was like 13 with 2 desktop PCs and 2 phone lines.

Multi-Boxing is 100% classic and 100% originally intended. (multi-boxers pay for multiple accounts, obviously they wanted this, otherwise the software would have locked you out after 1 login, yes this was possible in '99)

So you wanna play Solo thats it? There are plenty of people who single box on takp. There are also 3 boxers who seek out solo players for the 4th person group xp bonus.

For having alot more zones than P99, the Takp community feels tighter and closer, and alot more human. They don't put up with 10% of the shit that goes on here.

Frankly, playing 1 account is boring AF.

The best part about p99 and what sets it apart from every other emu server is that you can count on the fact that each character you see is a real person, not a bot on a secondary screen that no one is paying attention to.

[Trexller]

The best part about p99 and what sets it apart from every other emu server is that you can count on the fact that each character you see is a real person, not a bot on a secondary screen that no one is paying attention to.

How is this like at all a thing in gameplay? its 2021, we use 4k screens with 1440p windows, you can see them all at once lol.

Are you so lonely that you need to see the 100 players in EC and think to yourself, "Thats 100 real people logged on, just like me!"

Real Truth Bruh: A safe guess is that 25 of those 100 players, are boxing. One account is their legit one, thats the account that is sitting in kael, relentlessly spamming the track button, or rather, is using a programmable keyboard or keyboard script software to press that track button.

Their other account, the one that you see in EC, is connected to the server via wifi hotspot from literally ANY modern phone. What are the GMs gonna do, make everyone who logs on run figure 8s around the waterfall in unrest?

Harsh truth of the reality that devs cant admit, but i can, is that if multiboxing were rigidly enforced, they would only have a few wayward folks bothering to log on. but then it would actually be a museum. cold and empty. Why bother throwing a party if none of the cool kids will show up?

shit like RMT will get the GMs to come burn your house down, because that could make Daybreak come burn this house down.

But multi boxing? thats an ideological "MEH, we'll talk a big game, and post a few boxer ban vids on youtube, just don't be that shmuck who gets caught publicly and has to be made an example of."

Boxing is classic. I did do it in 1999, I should be able to do it in 2021.

Playing 1 account at a time is just boring, thats why i don't play p99 in any regularity anymore. Maybe you spend your downtime chatting with friends, organizing bags, tradeskilling, jerkin it or playing Everyone's favorite game within a game: Gems! Yeah, you can still do all of that with 2-3 windows up.

Me personally, I have never played more than 1 account on a p99 server. I have a sort of respect for what they are trying to do here. But when you pick and choose which classic or later or custom features you can accept, at that point you have crossed the line from a strictly canon museum server, to a custom EQ emulator. Thats what P99 is, Nilbog's Idea of EverQuest. It's not bad at all, but its not in line with their stated "mission".

tl;dr Boxing is classic. Players box on p99 servers every day.

[A Knight]

Are you so lonely that you need to see the 100 players in EC and think to yourself, "Thats 100 real people logged on, just like me!"

Donatello, "He's right."

[Croco]

tl;dr Boxing is classic. Players box on p99 servers every day.

The vast majority of p99 doesn't box and that's the best thing about the server. I'm sorry you don't like that, hopefully you find a fun server to box on.

[Trexller]

yeah theres plenty of places to scratch that boxing itch. I've played like every EMU. I have an 18 toon herd on EZ. MQ2 is a beautiful piece of software engineering.

P99 is a fun server for sure. If i can get into a group that wants to dungeon crawl something dangerous, I'm all about it.

TAKP has an offering thats quite different from P99, yes they're in luclin, yes PoK is open for QOL, (POP is only a few months away, anyhow)

Something has to be said about TAKP's hyper-supportive community, those folks over there are just great, im what, 2 months or so into it, and theres been 0 drama. rot loots are called in the global channel all the time, can catch the MGBs in pok, people will come rez you if you ask nicely. seems like alot of level headed individuals.

Anyone who wants to try it out can PM me for a bit of starter gear, that is, if other players don't just dump gear on you when you start (this was my experience, I did a /wtb banded armor, and a few folks just ran over and gave me stuff. a few pieces better than SS)

[Darkwulf58]

The best part about p99 and what sets it apart from every other emu server is that you can count on the fact that each character you see is a real person, not a bot on a secondary screen that no one is paying attention to.

" ... you can count on the fact that each character you see is a real person "

There are times where that very thing is disturbing.

[Thomacles]

Of course this server is not pure classic. Never was.

You want pure classic? Start by turning off Discord and phones and type EACH AND EVERY DAMNED WORD out in text all to the same chatbox. And then try and read it all while raiding.

That is what classic was. Oh, and turn off your WiFis and hook up with a 32k modem with a 250ms lag.

[Ennewi]

Project1999 is basically classic EQ 2e. When that Gnawl guy finishes remaking VR Norrath, there will be a 3e. Etc.

[Snagglepuss]

I don't understand why people want Luclin and PoP here when TAKP is on emu? I've only heard good things about the community there too. Is there a reason why people don't want to play there, but want Project 1999 to include those expansions?

Also, could someone explain the positive stuff about Luclin AA's (since 60 level cap), and how they balanced the classes and what not. I really don't know much about those.

[bilirubin]

Is there a reason why people don't want to play there

It’s a boxing server.

[Lewkeng]

I thought the deal with daybreak or whatever was to keep p99 where its at with no more expansions

[Solstice79]

I don't understand why people want Luclin and PoP here when TAKP is on emu?.

I was going to try it, but couldn't get it to work.

[Tunabros]

p99 is slowly dying

only way to save it is to unroot dragons and remove lists

[Allishia]

It’s a boxing server.

Ya this, I tried it too cause aa would be fun, but the idea of everyone boxing their own groups turned me off fast...boxing killed eq live, bunch of macroquesters cheating /nod.

[Tunabros]

the raid scene on takp doesn't really have a lot of boxers

most people single box

but when grouping, they will 3 box for sure

[Videri]

I thought the deal with daybreak or whatever was to keep p99 where its at with no more expansions

Rogean's post says nothing about further expansions.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191146

Rogean doesn't want Luclin here, though. So yeah.

[Croco]

Rogean's post says nothing about further expansions.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191146

Rogean doesn't want Luclin here, though. So yeah.

The irony of the guy who's living it up on Aradune raiding Plane of Time not wanting Luclin on p99. Lol

[Videri]

Ice cream is great, pizza is great, but you don't put ice cream on pizza.

[Croco]

chocolate is great, peanut butter is great, putting them together is <chef's kiss>

[cd288]

No one wants the Bazaar dude. Also, yes I'm sure the unpaid volunteer staff will get right on putting in thousands of hours of work so you can have Luclin

[Thomacles]

Many want the bazaar. No one wants to live in the tunnel trying to get something that never comes up for sale.

[Croco]

The Bazaar is the single best thing ever added to EQ, better than any expansion, better than epics. The Bazaar deserves a gold medal for delivering us from the unmitigated dystopian hellscape that is EC.

[Toxigen]

What is the bazaar for folks that have only played eq via P99?

Like an auction house?

[Polixa]

Yes, you effectively turn your character into an npc vendor and leave it logged in while you go away.

[Gustoo]

The bazaar ruins the game, 1000 percent.

As a tunnel rat, the bazaar is OK. If you know what to look for and constantly refresh the vendor list you can find good prices on bazaar stuff from people that just want to be sure they come back to a pile of money after they AFK their merchant in the bazaar for a given amount of time.

But if I could I would remove item linking and go back to the pile of backpacks vendor method of old days, 1 billion percent.

Having to talk to people to buy stuff is what the game is all about. Talking to people do do ANYTHIng is what the game is all about.

[samuecaalves]

if we ever add features from future expansions without adding the expansions themselves, i personally would kill for spell sets.

[MaCtastic]

I don't understand why people want Luclin and PoP here when TAKP is on emu? I've only heard good things about the community there too. Is there a reason why people don't want to play there, but want Project 1999 to include those expansions?

Also, could someone explain the positive stuff about Luclin AA's (since 60 level cap), and how they balanced the classes and what not. I really don't know much about those.

People want the expansions and mentally stable community members. However, they don’t want to give up the single box, friends, and their characters on P99.

If TAKP disabled boxing and then did a little bit of marketing, there might be a mass migration. That’s their crutch, they have boxing because it allows the low population to be sustainable. Maybe… lots of people aren’t aware of the sunken cost fallacy and will stick to P99 until they pull the plug, dreaming of a better place.

[Zenren]

I just want to add, that Luclin came out in 2001. How is that not still classic? Classic is based on age, not some subjective quantification of what's cool according to a small class of people able to define it. Literally Shadows of Luclin is as classic as any of the other expansions on P1999, the only reason most people don't like it is because it's not as "hardcore" yo! Really? It's not as hardcore, but it's definitely not WOW or any other MMOs out there. I guess what I ask is, am I really a masochist, or would I rather spend my time doing what I want, rather than running an hour to find out that the dungeon I went to is already camped by the same people who camped it every other night this week.

[Worry]

I just want to add, that Luclin came out in 2001. How is that not still classic? Classic is based on age, not some subjective quantification of what's cool according to a small class of people able to define it. Literally Shadows of Luclin is as classic as any of the other expansions on P1999, the only reason most people don't like it is because it's not as "hardcore" yo! Really? It's not as hardcore, but it's definitely not WOW or any other MMOs out there. I guess what I ask is, am I really a masochist, or would I rather spend my time doing what I want, rather than running an hour to find out that the dungeon I went to is already camped by the same people who camped it every other night this week. I fully agree that Luclin is just as classic as the other two expansions that preceded it, but most find Bazaar and Nexus as a deal breaker.

After 7 years of EC though, I have no clue why anyone would think Bazaar was a bad addition lol. Insanity. And Nexus is only barely better than boats.

Ultimately it doesn't matter though, because the admins on this server HATE Luclin (at least one of them) and used to openly mock "moon cats". So we'll never get it on P99. Even if all the players unanimously voted to add it in, this is a private project and they will not do it.

What I find ridiculous is the small portion of the community who claim TAKP is the easy choice if you want Luclin, as if that server is even close to the quality of P99. Not to even mention the boxing.

Really hoping for some of the classic-world zones added in later expansions like Jaggedpine Forest and Veksar though, and I do think we have a good shot at those on Blue at some point. Fingers crossed!

[Croco]

The bazaar ruins the game, 1000 percent.

As a tunnel rat, the bazaar is OK. If you know what to look for and constantly refresh the vendor list you can find good prices on bazaar stuff from people that just want to be sure they come back to a pile of money after they AFK their merchant in the bazaar for a given amount of time.

But if I could I would remove item linking and go back to the pile of backpacks vendor method of old days, 1 billion percent.

Having to talk to people to buy stuff is what the game is all about. Talking to people do do ANYTHIng is what the game is all about.

The game is not all about sitting in some shit zone endlessly trying to get people to buy your shit.

It's about going and slaying dragons, killing sarnaks, and venturing into the plane of hate trying to get your epic drop.

No one sits in EC chatting with people while having the time of their life. No one wants to be in EC. It's a blight on the server and a waste of peoples time and energy. EC was and always will be garbage and the Bazaar is the heavenly angel that came and saved us from it.

No one, not one single person was sad to see EC go and the Bazaar become the norm back in era. It's the single best feature Sony ever added.

[MaCtastic]

The game is not all about sitting in some shit zone endlessly trying to get people to buy your shit.

It's about going and slaying dragons, killing sarnaks, and venturing into the plane of hate trying to get your epic drop.

No one sits in EC chatting with people while having the time of their life. No one wants to be in EC. It's a blight on the server and a waste of peoples time and energy. EC was and always will be garbage and the Bazaar is the heavenly angel that came and saved us from it.

No one, not one single person was sad to see EC go and the Bazaar become the norm back in era. It's the single best feature Sony ever added.

There was one person that loved EC - Caros.

[Thomacles]

There was one person that loved EC - Caros.


Touche, MaC. You are correct.

But, everyone on the server knows "that boy ain't right..."

[NotCaros]

There was one person that loved EC - Caros.

Seriously?

[Trexller]

saying it again for the 1001th time, everything people want from p99 with regard to luclin is TAKP.

if 3rd person mouse wheel is a deal breaker, thats a you problem.
LFG for hours on p99? bring your own tank/healer on TAKP
if the bazaar is a deal breaker, then would just prefer to stand in EC for 24 hours a day, pressing the same button every 10 min, only to have some shmuck haggle over a 5 plat price difference, you are happier on p99 anyway.

Rumors are that PoP will launch early next year, better get to work on TAKP so you can be ready!

TAKP's stable, helpful and welcoming community will be happy to have you!

[Croco]

saying it again for the 1001th time, everything people want from p99 with regard to luclin is TAKP.

if 3rd person mouse wheel is a deal breaker, thats a you problem.
LFG for hours on p99? bring your own tank/healer on TAKP
if the bazaar is a deal breaker, then would just prefer to stand in EC for 24 hours a day, pressing the same button every 10 min, only to have some shmuck haggle over a 5 plat price difference, you are happier on p99 anyway.

Rumors are that PoP will launch early next year, better get to work on TAKP so you can be ready!

TAKP's stable, helpful and welcoming community will be happy to have you!

No one is saying it's not an "us" problem. It doesn't really matter why we don't like it. Each person has their own reasons. On paper there's a lot to like about takp but boxing and no mouse scroll make it a HARD pass for me.

[bradsamma]

I'm ready for Luclin! When is it going to drop?

[Darkwulf58]

I'm ready for Luclin! When is it going to drop?

It already did; in the toilet and flushed.

[branamil]

TAKP is a pretty good server. Velious is a really flawed expansion to stop at because the classes are so imbalanced and the itemization is terrible. Even though the luclin zones are trash, AAs and focus effects fix a lot of the problems. They also fixed a lot of the problems that p99 can't be arsed with like fast loading times, small but annoying glitches and bugs etc

[Jimjam]

Luclin already in game.

Look to the skies on a clear night.

[Tunabros]

velious best/coolest expansion

luclin is for cringe furry degens like magnetranny

[Croco]

Luclin already in game.

Look to the skies on a clear night.

That's not Luclin. The moon you can see from Norrath is Drinal. Luclin is hidden.

[Jimjam]

��

Thank you for that epiphany!

[starkind]

takp if i didn't say it already

[Toxigen]

the bazaar sounds like a pretty cool idea

coming from someone that cannot stand EC tunnelquest

[Gustoo]

the bazaar sounds like a pretty cool idea

coming from someone that cannot stand EC tunnelquest

For people that don't wanna tunnel quest you sell items at a cheap enough price to not waste your time selling them.

I got like 6x circlet of shadows for cheap when they were dropping on blue from one guy who just came to town and couldn't waste his time selling em for max value. I kept most of them but some were in a fellow casino operators hands (Casino guild) I think his name was...Casino? But I haven't seen him in a while and the 1500pp circlets he is carrying for me are now worth much more so I don't think I'll see em :( waa

But the economy is better without bazaar it really is.

[Croco]

For people that don't wanna tunnel quest you sell items at a cheap enough price to not waste your time selling them.

I got like 6x circlet of shadows for cheap when they were dropping on blue from one guy who just came to town and couldn't waste his time selling em for max value. I kept most of them but some were in a fellow casino operators hands (Casino guild) I think his name was...Casino? But I haven't seen him in a while and the 1500pp circlets he is carrying for me are now worth much more so I don't think I'll see em :( waa

But the economy is better without bazaar it really is.

It's not. Bazaar is better, Bazaar is best.

[Jimjam]

For people that don't wanna tunnel quest you sell items at a cheap enough price to not waste your time selling them.

I got like 6x circlet of shadows for cheap when they were dropping on blue from one guy who just came to town and couldn't waste his time selling em for max value. I kept most of them but some were in a fellow casino operators hands (Casino guild) I think his name was...Casino? But I haven't seen him in a while and the 1500pp circlets he is carrying for me are now worth much more so I don't think I'll see em :( waa

But the economy is better without bazaar it really is.

If you get them back I’ll look after one on my sk for you x

[Zenren]

How many people are playing on TAKP? Are there more than Everquest Live Agnarr?

[Trexller]

How many people are playing on TAKP? Are there more than Everquest Live Agnarr?

doubt it, its a small, low-stress, and cooperative community