What's the point of playing on a permanently 'classic' server and how is P99 classic?

[Elfminster]

What's the point?



The ones who played from day one and got the prenerf stuff have a permanent advantage over everybody who arrives after them so P99 permanently favours those who arrived first. If you arrived later you will never have the same opportunity as they did so you will always be inferior no matter what you do which is really bad game design.

Races are permanently unbalanced.

Classes are permanently unbalanced.

All the best spots are perma camped because it's such a small crowded place.

There will never be a sci-fi aspect like there is in Luclin.

There will never be Beastlords.

Iksar have a permanent advantage over all other races (more bad game design) due to lack of regen items.

Ogres have a permanent advantage over all other races (more bad game design) due to lack of AA abilities.

It's an unnofficial emulated server; it's not the real thing.

There will never be an official, professional and honest game designer to step in and fix the broken things so that it's fair for all regardless of when you start playing or what race you play.



How is P99 classic?


There are two expansions; how is that classic?


In my opinion, Live is too advanced/commercialized/ezmode but P99 is too archaic and it's permanent. It's nice to have a world which youc can always count on because it always stays the same and never evolves into something you hate but is P99 Velious that world?

At least on live you can be just like everybody else, with enough time and effort, so even if you arrive late to the party you're not stuck in inferior mode like you are on P99 and you're not forced to pick a certain race or side because of balance issues (whether they are real or perceived).

Do you enjoy playing a in a permanently broken world? I guess if you are at the top of the pyramid because you arrived first and took advantage of bad game design which was later fixed (but not retroactively) then the answer is YES.

It's lovely to see people in newbies areas but I don't think they realise that they are just there to serve the people who arrived first.

[Ananka]

Classic includes the first two expansions because of a ton of reasons. Basically the same people were still working at Verant while Verant was still a thing so it kept the same feel through out that period. Small changes occurred in Kunark like steeper experience curves plus 50 and mob density was raised in some zones making travel a little more difficult but that seemed to lower a bit in Velious but really it was the same game. It basically looked the same and faction still mattered. Fast forward to Luclin and the trading that was a mainstay in EC tunnel or NFP on some servers was killed off, easier self porting now existed, all of the player models got changed to bow legged monstrosities and Paludal Cavern exp killed off low level experience groups elsewhere and really was the start of minimizing starting cities and their surrounding low level zones. Also in classic, equipment stats were still low and every item felt unique and non-cookie cutter. It just gets worse the further you go along in the expansions but it was Luclin that started the ball rolling.

[Jibartik]

its a server that remains in the original 3 expansions not a time traveling machine

[Izmael]

Then dont play here

[Homesteaded]

Everquest is like life, it isn’t fair.

[dcortez]

What's the point of playing on a permanently 'classic' server

To have fun?


and how is P99 classic?

Just a label, don't get hung up.

[loramin]

The ones who played from day one and got the prenerf stuff have a permanent advantage over everybody who arrives after them so P99 permanently favours those who arrived first. If you arrived later you will never have the same opportunity as they did so you will always be inferior no matter what you do which is really bad game design.


You're making it sound like legacy items are some huge advantage: they're not. Manastones, CoSes, and Holgresh Elder Beads are probably the most useful legacy items, and they're all droppable. That means anyone can buy them, any time ... just save up your platinum pieces. Everything no drop and legacy (eg. guises) is really just a status symbol, and not at all necessary.

But even if you don't ever buy any legacy item, you can still play for years on P99 having tons of fun ... and that fun won't be reduced at all by your lack of legacy pixels.

[Ennewi]

What's the point?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Blood_Point

Classes are permanently unbalanced.

This is definitely more of a positive than a negative. Classes play very differently (which adds shelf life to the game) and each has its own strengths depending on the situation. What warriors lack in group settings they more than make up for on raids, and vice versa for knights. Yes, some classes are more powerful than others but that also makes them more popular which means their items are generally harder to obtain. Supply and demand is one way classes balance themselves out naturally.

All the best spots are perma camped because it's such a small crowded place.

ZEM changes have moved the crowds around. For example, the Hole used to be completely empty because it doesn't offer the best loot, but the xp now compensates for that. Also, camping items is much better now than it used to be when there was only one PVE server and only one expansion.


It's an unnofficial emulated server; it's not the real thing.


It's been officially recognized by Daybreak, formerly SOE, operating legally for years now. Brad McQuaid was very much aware of this project, even visiting a livestream years back.

[A Knight]

Someone had the idea to simulate a world, and then someone else took the idea and made it fair. Feels more like a real world when its dangerous and not fair, sometimes.

[Tunabros]

dont care

didnt read

good day, sir

[tadkins]

Part of the appeal of classic timelocked servers is knowing that there will be an end goal and a point where you could enjoy being the most powerful you can be on the server. It's partly why WoW Classic interested me a while back (before the community there ruined it) and it's why I love playing on P99.

That is just part of it too. Velious itself is when I think I had the most fun out of any era in EQ. PoP too but I can live without that one. xD

[ScottBerta]

Try p2002, I think that may be what your looking for.

[tadkins]

Try p2002, I think that may be what your looking for.

I played Al'Kabor for a while but the allowance of boxing really killed it for me. As far as I know 2002 is also the same thing.

PoP was cool but it's not a gamebreaker for me. I'm happy here. :)

[Jerri]

What's the point of playing on a permanently 'classic' server and how is P99 classic?

Don't be fooled by the advertising, p99 is far from classic any more.

[putrid_plum]

P99 is not classic but it's a lot closer than what you get on live from TLP servers. Saying that... I do wish we'd move into Shadows of Luclin. It opens up more raid content, AA's, and beastlords. Clearly just an opinion of mine that will never happen which is fine. Either way it's fun to play here.

[Cen]

The ones who played from day one and got the prenerf stuff have a permanent advantage over everybody who arrives after them so P99 permanently favours those who arrived first. If you arrived later you will never have the same opportunity as they did so you will always be inferior no matter what you do which is really bad game design.

Not always, it depends on what class and race you play. Rogues, Enchanters, and Bards have no permanent advantages or missing items that cant be obtained through the entire timeline. Another example is certain race class combos, such as Erudite Cazic Thule Clerics, and Dark Elf Wizards. There is no items they cant get.



Races are permanently unbalanced.

Yup

Classes are permanently unbalanced.

Sort of Yup, but thats every game

[Daffan]

Classic includes the first two expansions because of a ton of reasons. Basically the same people were still working at Verant while Verant was still a thing so it kept the same feel through out that period. Small changes occurred in Kunark like steeper experience curves plus 50 and mob density was raised in some zones making travel a little more difficult but that seemed to lower a bit in Velious but really it was the same game. It basically looked the same and faction still mattered. Fast forward to Luclin and the trading that was a mainstay in EC tunnel or NFP on some servers was killed off, easier self porting now existed, all of the player models got changed to bow legged monstrosities and Paludal Cavern exp killed off low level experience groups elsewhere and really was the start of minimizing starting cities and their surrounding low level zones. Also in classic, equipment stats were still low and every item felt unique and non-cookie cutter. It just gets worse the further you go along in the expansions but it was Luclin that started the ball rolling.

That's why you do what UO Outlands did :) Ze results speak for themselves.

Diverge from the timeline friend.

[eqravenprince]

The ones who played from day one and got the prenerf stuff have a permanent advantage over everybody who arrives after them so P99 permanently favours those who arrived first. If you arrived later you will never have the same opportunity as they did so you will always be inferior no matter what you do which is really bad game design.

Agreed. Kind of exciting when the server starts over though.

Races are permanently unbalanced.

Would you really want them balanced? I like the differences, all have pros and cons. Personally I can't stand Iksar.

Classes are permanently unbalanced.

Again, would you really want them balanced? Something for every player out there, some like to solo, some like to group, etc.

All the best spots are perma camped because it's such a small crowded place.

This is one thing I find kind of annoying, I wish there was instancing sometimes.

There will never be a sci-fi aspect like there is in Luclin.

If I wanted a sci-fi game, I'd play a sci-fi game. EQ just doesn't belong in sci-fi in my opinion.

There will never be Beastlords.

While I liked beastlords, it's no big deal.

Iksar have a permanent advantage over all other races (more bad game design) due to lack of regen items.

But you have to overcome being hated by every race and 20% exp penalty to get said advantage. I think it's a wash.

Ogres have a permanent advantage over all other races (more bad game design) due to lack of AA abilities.

Yes and they have to deal with ducking to get through small doors, hated around the world, and 15% exp penalty. It's a wash.

It's an unnofficial emulated server; it's not the real thing.

It's pretty damn close to what I remember the real thing being.

There will never be an official, professional and honest game designer to step in and fix the broken things so that it's fair for all regardless of when you start playing or what race you play.

I think they fix things that are broken just fine.


How is P99 classic? There are two expansions; how is that classic?

I do love classic EQ before any expansions, it's my favorite. However, most people consider the trilogy as classic.

At least on live you can be just like everybody else, with enough time and effort, so even if you arrive late to the party you're not stuck in inferior mode like you are on P99 and you're not forced to pick a certain race or side because of balance issues (whether they are real or perceived).

Do you enjoy playing a in a permanently broken world? I guess if you are at the top of the pyramid because you arrived first and took advantage of bad game design which was later fixed (but not retroactively) then the answer is YES.

It's lovely to see people in newbies areas but I don't think they realise that they are just there to serve the people who arrived first.

Stick around for Green 2.0 if that is truly important to you.

[Bardp1999]

Sounds like World of Warcraft is calling you friend - good luck in Azeroth.

There is enough content on P99 to keep you busy for like 10 years if you really wanted to muddle through every class. And it sounds like you have never played P99 if you think the racial traits and legacy items give people any sort of meaningful advantage (they dont). The great thing about P99 is you can play casually and the bar doesn't keep getting moved (IE you come back after a break and a new expansion hasn't rendered all your gains moot).

It is what it is, classic EQ with none of the modern QoL changes. It may not be perfect but its the closest thing to how I remember Everquest being as a youth.

[Bardp1999]

Also, I would like to point out that unless you are an unemployed loser your chances of getting manastone, holgresh beads, fungi staff, locket of escape (really the only 4 items worth mentioning) are basically 0 even if you start on day 1.

P99 is about grinding and denying others, if that doesnt sound appealing then stop before you start.

[Gustoo]

Weird thread seems like this guy is just asking for luclin to come out?

Only thing from luclin that should make it is the slot machines to suck plat out of system.

If you're sick of the pixel rot, play on red server. Its classic as fuck compared.

[tadkins]

Would you really want them balanced? I like the differences, all have pros and cons. Personally I can't stand Iksar.

And it sounds like you have never played P99 if you think the racial traits and legacy items give people any sort of meaningful advantage (they dont).

Eh bit debatable here. Iksar necromancers do have a blatant advantage over other the other necro races, to the point where it kind of ruins the class for me because I feel like I would have to be an iksar. As cool as I think dark elf necromancers are, and I do know that one can succeed just fine as a dark elf or a human if they wanted, it's hard to ignore the advantage an iksar has, even moreso when you've got folks telling you all the time "why aren't you iksar?" or "quick go reroll iksar!". Yes that has happened to me before.

[loramin]

Eh bit debatable here. Iksar necromancers do have a blatant advantage over other the other necro races, to the point where it kind of ruins the class for me because I feel like I would have to be an iksar. As cool as I think dark elf necromancers are, and I do know that one can succeed just fine as a dark elf or a human if they wanted, it's hard to ignore the advantage an iksar has, even moreso when you've got folks telling you all the time "why aren't you iksar?" or "quick go reroll iksar!". Yes that has happened to me before.

I have to agree with this. The variety of classic EQ makes it awesome, not the unbalanced parts. True, having variety often leads to imbalance, but it's one thing to say "class X can do five things well, and class Y can only do two", and another to say "race X is just 100% superior in every way to race Y" (which wasn't a gameplay design choice, it was a "let's make more money" choice: it happened because Verant wanted everyone to buy the Kunark expansion, so they made the race you got in it better).

Iksar aren't exactly 100% superior (they do have poor faction and an XP penalty), but as tadkins said it's almost wrong to not pick them for your Necro, and I think that makes the game worse, not better. However, I'm still holding out hope that the P99 devs will someday introduce some really awesome non-Iksar Necro items (maybe even one with regen!) in custom content on Blue.

[Fammaden]

Iksars are ugly as shit and look stupid as hell in robes. This would provide balance, but its mitigated somewhat by necros being illusioned so often.

[unsunghero]

Time locked servers are great for filthy casuals like me. I’ll play a lot one week then sometimes go 1-2 weeks without logging in. This sort of schedule would leave me far behind if it were a live or progression server. I would never be able to catch up, and always be doing content alone far behind everyone else

But with time locked servers I can come back whenever I want and not be any more behind than I was. Progress made is always permanent progress

[Gustoo]

Vanilla is best.

Kunark and Velious are pretty great.

Monks only being able to be humans was the best. Worst race, good style. It was great.

Iksar regen monks are like a hack.

Iksar regen necro is cool but not game changing. Something about physical enhancement like regen on a purely physical class like monk just feels bummer.

But the ogre already existed and for SK, warrior, shaman they are hands down better than others.

Thats just how this game is, and I like it.

Warrior - Ogre
SK - Ogre
Shaman - Ogre
Rogue - Barb
Monk - Iksar
Necro - Iksar

out of 14 classes, 6 of them have 1 race that is definitely superior.

You could argue for halfling for druids, and high elf for clerics and enchanter, but the differences for those races are super minor, where the 6 above are meaningful advantages.

But thats how the game is whether iksars are here or not, we would still have 4 superior race choice classes.

But do you want to be an OGRE? Do you want to be KOS everywhere in old world? Do you want to be a barbarian rogue?

Only matters in PVP where only barb rogues get throwing boulders. Plunk!

[tadkins]

custom content

Would love to see some of this sometime down the road as well. :)

You could argue for halfling for druids, and high elf for clerics and enchanter, but the differences for those races are super minor, where the 6 above are meaningful advantages.

That's partly why I mained a wizard for a while, and am maining a druid now. I feel like I can actually pick the race I want to be with those classes since there isn't much of an advantage even with the "BiS" one.

Incidently my druid is a halfling but not for any of those reasons. I genuinely like them. I identify far more with a jolly chubby little man over some skinny snobbish elf. xD

But do you want to be an OGRE? Do you want to be KOS everywhere in old world?
Do you also want to look like a walking talking sack of mashed potatoes?

[Izmael]

Do you also want to look like a walking talking sack of mashed potatoes?


You're saying it like mashed potatoes isn't beautiful.

[Toxigen]

Iksar regen necro is cool but not game changing. Something about physical enhancement like regen on a purely physical class like monk just feels bummer.



Have you played a non-iksar necro at 55+? Its awful compared to the lizard variety unless you have full gear like zheart and VP staff.

I'd also argue that anything other than ogre shaman is entirely overrated (especially warrior). Being big sucks balls, stats are easily capped in velious, and FSI isn't a big deal for tanks. I wish my warrior was gnome or halfling so bad.

That being said... if the purpose / goal for your shaman is to solo big end game targets...then ogre truly is the only choice. That is not debatable.

Ultimately, fashionquest rises above everything else. Play what is aesthetically pleasing to you otherwise you're just setting yourself up for shelving the character for something else.

[loramin]

That being said... if the purpose / goal for your shaman is to solo big end game targets...then ogre truly is the only choice. That is not debatable.

I call bullshit. The majority of the absolute best Shaman ever on P99, the ones who soloed stuff no one had ever soloed before, were all non-Ogres.

Now on paper, once you finally get to 60 and fix all your faction, is Ogre the best min/max race? Yes, we can agree on that.

But in the grand scheme of things FSI is a nothingburger: if you're min/maxing it's absolutely better in tough fights than regen, but it's no way at all necessary to solo big end game targets.

[Gustoo]

Have you played a non-iksar necro at 55+? Its awful compared to the lizard variety unless you have full gear like zheart and VP staff.



If you sit around and compare your health recovery speed and efficiency to another necro that is an iksar you will be able to measure the amount of time you waste being a non iksar.

The thing is, the necro is already a very efficient class and the extra iksar efficiency isn't such a big deal (to me)

As a monk you have less tools on your belt and extra innate regen feels like such a huge deal.

So yeah, the min/max vs personal min/max is what makes EQ great. Some races are "better" but may not be your top pick.

[Twochain]

I call bullshit. The majority of the absolute best Shaman ever on P99, the ones who soloed stuff no one had ever soloed before, were all non-Ogres.

Now on paper, once you finally get to 60 and fix all your faction, is Ogre the best min/max race? Yes, we can agree on that.

But in the grand scheme of things FSI is a nothingburger: if you're min/maxing it's absolutely better in tough fights than regen, but it's no way at all necessary to solo big end game targets.

That's one of the beautiful things about EverQuest p99 though is the skill gaps on certain classes. Ogre undoubtedly is the better choice for shamans, but there is people out there who could run circles around a best in slot ogre shaman with a barb shaman with crappy ec gear.

Starting iksar anything is essentially like getting a free North ToV item from level 1. If a +innate regen + 25 ac item that you could right click and consume forever dropped in ToV, it would be worth insane amounts of DKP.

But there is plenty of people on this server who could absolutely massacre a regular iksar necro's efficiency with whatever race.

I've known enchanters on this server who are level 60 with less than 10k worth of gear equipped that would murder most raiding enchanters on the server.


In terms of whatever OP was saying, you've got it completely wrong. You can absolutely catch up and pass people who have been playing on this server since day 1. Hell, A LOT of those people don't even play anymore. Kelzaraz got a monk from level 1 to best in slot in 1 year, POST sleeper's. THE ONLY person on the server with better gear than Kelz is i THINK Diamondfist, and that's only because he has a lungi. All of the other monks that won a Lungi in Rampage aren't close to best in slot. So yes, Diamondfist might have 50 more hp than Kelz...... that obviously doesn't matter when you have better hp/ac than literally everyone else on the server.

And even still, having the most plat/items/gear doesn't make you the best player on the server. You could be gifted a best in slot toon today and everyone would realize you're a noob pretty quickly.

[tadkins]

You're saying it like mashed potatoes isn't beautiful.

Oh they are. Bit of butter, some salt and pepper, maybe some bacon and green onions...mmm!

Just pointing out it's something an ogre player would have to deal with. xD

That and needing a source of shrink. And also being KoS in parts of Neriak for some weird reason. Seen plenty of ogre corpses littering the city before, which shouldn't be.

[doeda]

Rolled dark elf warrior because I don't want to pay for a guise.

[BahamutDF]

Lol to this. Literally thank the heavens for this server, I literally sleep better at night knowing P99 is here when I want it. All involved have my sincerest gratitude.

[Baler]

I like the mechanics and gameplay that vanilla/classic offers.
Kunark is great and it brings a lot to the game but it was clearly refined from what they learned during classic.

level cap of 50 makes the world more dangerous combined with limited BiS gear. You're less of a god and more of an adventurer.

[Rader]

it's hard to ignore the advantage an iksar has, even moreso when you've got folks telling you all the time "why aren't you iksar?" or "quick go reroll iksar!". Yes that has happened to me before.

Simple response. /bird

[Baler]

a non-iksar necro is going to see an iksar necro and regret all those hours leveling as a non-iksar necro.

I started green as an erudite necro, day 1 kunark I re-rolled iksar and never looked back. Yeah I have a 50 erudite necro and a 60 iksar necro.

[Rader]

a non-iksar necro is going to see an iksar necro and regret all those hours leveling as a non-iksar necro.

I started green as an erudite necro, day 1 kunark I re-rolled iksar and never looked back. Yeah I have a 50 erudite necro and a 60 iksar necro.

Got a 59 human necro and zero regrets

I see an iksar necro and think there is a lesser player, more than likely

Necro is such an awesome class, you really think that set of spells is that dependent upon some regen?

[Baler]

Necro is such an awesome class, you really think that set of spells is that dependent upon some regen?
Yes

https://wiki.project1999.com/Demi_Lich

[Gustoo]

I started green as an erudite necro, day 1 kunark I re-rolled iksar and never looked back. Yeah I have a 50 erudite necro and a 60 iksar necro.

I never considered that option when thinking about what I'd do if playing red 2.0

Pretty robust option, especially if you have a pal that will PL your iksar necro to 50 in like two days play time.

HMmm

[Amyas]

Then dont play here

[Mblake1981]

The ones who played from day one and got the prenerf stuff have a permanent advantage over everybody who arrives after them so P99 permanently favours those who arrived first. If you arrived later you will never have the same opportunity as they did so you will always be inferior no matter what you do which is really bad game design.

Good

Races are permanently unbalanced.

Good

Classes are permanently unbalanced.

Good

All the best spots are perma camped because it's such a small crowded place.

The world doesn't revolve around you. Try single player games.

There will never be a sci-fi aspect like there is in Luclin.

Extra Good

There will never be Beastlords.

Excellent

Iksar have a permanent advantage over all other races (more bad game design) due to lack of regen items.

Good

Ogres have a permanent advantage over all other races (more bad game design) due to lack of AA abilities.

Good

It's an unnofficial emulated server; it's not the real
thing.

Good

There will never be an official, professional and honest game designer to step in and fix the broken things so that it's fair for all regardless of when you start playing or what race you play.

Good

In my opinion, Live is too advanced/commercialized/ezmode but P99 is too archaic and it's permanent. It's nice to have a world which youc can always count on because it always stays the same and never evolves into something you hate but is P99 Velious that world?

Has been for a decade.

At least on live you can be just like everybody else, with enough time and effort, so even if you arrive late to the party you're not stuck in inferior mode like you are on P99 and you're not forced to pick a certain race or side because of balance issues (whether they are real or perceived).

Good

Do you enjoy playing a in a permanently broken world? I guess if you are at the top of the pyramid because you arrived first and took advantage of bad game design which was later fixed (but not retroactively) then the answer is YES.

YES, Good

It's lovely to see people in newbies areas but I don't think they realise that they are just there to serve the people who arrived first.

Green opening week, watching veterans and noobs getting their faces eaten by the Griffin was a joy. 10/10 best gaming ever.

Edit Note: The best designed games of today are not getting my money. How come a broken bad game gets my time.

[Gustoo]

Such a great thread, reminds us all of why P99 is the best despite ultra low staff communication and reds long long long long death spiral with bad rules and no reset or help.

Good stuff.

Guys posting stuff like this reminds me to be glad that staff seldom acts based on forum complaining.

Can't wait for the next one.

[Mblake1981]

Rolled dark elf warrior because I don't want to pay for a guise.

Rolled one also because they are the best looking. Min/Maxing is worthy of consideration but be damned if it gets in the way of my RP. Raids can go f themselves.

Gnome Warriors are a thing on P99 despite Ogres, Iksars, Barbs and Trolls. Thumbs up if they have a tinkering inspired name.

[Mblake1981]

Such a great thread, reminds us all of why P99 is the best despite ultra low staff communication and reds long long long long death spiral with bad rules and no reset or help.

Good stuff.

Guys posting stuff like this reminds me to be glad that staff seldom acts based on forum complaining.

Can't wait for the next one.

Best one I have found here today for sure. It feels good to reject what is good. What is good is not good for me and hasn't been since Vista/X360.

lKhbP3_1FQ8

[strongNpretty]

Hey man, whatever makes you smile at the end of the day!!

"We all know quite a number of people who have everything that it would take to be happy, and they are not happy. Cause they want something else or they want more of the same. And we all know people, who have lots of misfortune, misfortune that we ourselves would not want to have. And they are deeply happy, they radiate happiness. Why? Because they are grateful :)

Gratefulness makes us happy :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBsl3j0YRQ

[Naethyn]

P99 is different because the difficulty is the P in PVE instead of just the E.

[Allishia]

P99 is different because the difficulty is the P in PVE instead of just the E.

:confused:

[Ennewi]

Workers on the job versus Players in a game.

[A Knight]

They should just call Shadows of Luclin/POP EQ 2. And then call EQ 2, EQ 3.

I think in order to get into classic EQ, you have to accept that you didn't like the random deaths of the game and admit you are wrong. So its hard for a standard person to get into it.

I'd like to play EQ 2 and even EQ 3. I just don't want people to take away my, other real reality simulator. (Eq Classic) Heck, you could even add 15 buttons and make it complicated to do spells. I'm not sure if my autism could handle it though.

[Baa]

I have a super big advantage of being an early starter...that my forum account shows a 2010 join date.

[Mblake1981]

I have a super big advantage of being an early starter...that my forum account shows a 2010 join date.

I suggest porting OP to Tox then gating out. :p

[XDrake]

1. That is how Classic Era, Kunark, and Velious were. :/ Manastones were considered priceless overnight. The only "un-classic" bit is there are disproportionately higher numbers of pre-nerfed items than were ever were on live.

2. Unbalanced races and classes were during those era. The idea was to re-create the closest to the original experience you could get. These are sad truths at the time. Thankfully every class still is useful in some way. Whether it is mages CoTHing or Wizards porting to Hate... Everybody has something.

3. I would argue the population is better on P99 for camps than it was on Live. I recall Sunday nights (peak time) easily being 3,000 people during early Kunark. Camps have much less competition now.

4. Beastlords were cool and Luclin had its moments, but post-Velious was definitely a different EQ.

5. Iksar and Ogres are how they were.

6. It isn't, but it is about as close as we'll ever see to the original.

Project 1999 is a re-creation of original EQ to allow folks to re-live glory days in those eras. Not later EQ that balanced many of those issues.

[Ravager]

To answer OP's question: "What's the point?" It's a very deep philosophical question that everyone faces in all aspects of their lives and everyone can and should ponder it at some length, though the answer is always the same. What's the point? That's up to you.

[Shawk]

wuts point eating, gonna die ;)

[Tewaz]

A truly classic server wouldn't have legacy items.

Those were considered mistakes by the devs and should've been removed instead of cut off.

But, I play for a shot at them, so they keep me going.

[Shac]

Everything no drop and legacy (eg. guises) is really just a status symbol, and not at all necessary.

But your example is the worst one you could've come up with. It's almost required to get a guise on a large race imo and faction is important. Without guise as a large race or a race that needs the mask to get better faction, you're just not coming in with all the tools you can to be self sufficient.

[Ravager]

But your example is the worst one you could've come up with. It's almost required to get a guise on a large race imo and faction is important. Without guise as a large race or a race that needs the mask to get better faction, you're just not coming in with all the tools you can to be self sufficient.

Or you can roll a Dark Elf.

[Tunabros]

p99 was never classic

just kinda close

[Tethler]

If you don't have a guise to flex on plebs that will never be able to get one, is it even worth playing?

[AenorVZ]

If you arrived later you will never have the same opportunity as they did so you will always be inferior no matter what you do which is really bad game design.

You'll have your opportunity on the upcoming Purple teams PvP server.

[Snaggles]

People who got her first have an advantage over those who didn’t. As a casual scrub you can still easily outfit your char in solid gear. It will just take a bit of time. On blue people often donate decent gear to truly new players that far exceeds quality classic gear.

This game is a lovely illustration of diminishing returns on investment. A necro or enchanter can farm 100k+ naked. A 100k geared melee can be set up very well. Probably 7/10ths. If you want this same char to be 10/10ths it’s going to be 5x or 10x that. A tank might have another 700hps at max level; a dps might do a little more but we are talking 5-10% if that. I don’t need a manastone or beads but could farm and buy them if I wanted to put in the time.

I’m playing a monk on blue as my like 8th char. It’s friggin easy and cheap. I’m having fun. Clearly the game is working just fine.

[Ravager]

p99 was never classic

just kinda close

[Gustoo]

If you don't have a guise to flex on plebs that will never be able to get one, is it even worth playing?

lol this

For reals though uhh those items should not be part of the game anymore. You can see the pixel rot all through the whole green experience.

I'm looking forward to purple 99 or brown 99 pvp2.0 server that has some more creative fixes for this problem we have created for ourselves.

It was all quite different on blue when the timeline was totally nebulous as things got developed and implemented as nilbog and team finished the dev work.

[Jimjam]

Seems a fun way to fill some time occasionally while waiting the heat death of the universe to destroy time and space.