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starkind
07-24-2021, 12:29 PM
as long as u r antigovernment (at this point) :cool:

HalflingSpergand
07-24-2021, 12:38 PM
U an anarchist?

Jibartik
07-24-2021, 12:56 PM
Antidentite

starkind
07-24-2021, 04:04 PM
U an anarchist?

no but like our federal government is the problemo right now.

loramin
07-24-2021, 04:09 PM
Anyone who thinks "government" (or "business", or any similar noun) is a single monolithic entity, probably doesn't have a real good grasp on how life functions in reality.

HalflingSpergand
07-24-2021, 04:18 PM
Dont come in here swinging ur i know stuff around, weird hat

Pulgasari
07-24-2021, 04:53 PM
Anyone who thinks "government" (or "business", or any similar noun) is a single monolithic entity

I think it's called the public sector

Jibartik
07-24-2021, 04:59 PM
..in America the word means religion.

Lune
07-24-2021, 06:30 PM
Government (or more accurately, any abstracted form of civic duty) is the only institution truly capable of countering:

1 The bacterial impulses of humanity to grow, consume, and destroy unchecked.

2. The destructive aspects of capitalism, namely the positive feedback loop of wealth accumulation among capitalism's winners (capitalists), and monopolies.

USA's government isn't doing either of those two things very well right now, not because government itself as an institutions is bad, but because it's being run by the very groups it was designed to counter (capitalists, corporations).

Toxigen
07-24-2021, 06:43 PM
daily reminder if you got the vaccine you're a fucking idiot

hope this helps

HalflingSpergand
07-24-2021, 06:48 PM
Every single one of us lives on an animal farm and won't ever bother to do a single thing for ourselves so stop touching yourself deep in your pants and imagining you're a hero ( no one is going to do it for you )

Ooloo
07-24-2021, 06:51 PM
Government (or more accurately, any abstracted form of civic duty) is the only institution truly capable of countering:

1 The bacterial impulses of humanity to grow, consume, and destroy unchecked.

2. The destructive aspects of capitalism, namely the positive feedback loop of wealth accumulation among capitalism's winners (capitalists), and monopolies.

USA's government isn't doing either of those two things very well right now, not because government itself as an institutions is bad, but because it's being run by the very groups it was designed to counter (capitalists, corporations).

Capitalism literally creates wealth and abundance. Which socialist\communist\marxist country would you like to live in?

It's easy to spit on the USA when you live here and have the freedom to do so. Kinda nice.

starkind
07-24-2021, 06:55 PM
daily reminder if you got the vaccine you're a fucking idiot

hope this helps

Wb.

In order recently this year:


influenza
covid jnj
diphtheria
tetanus
rabies

Ooloo
07-24-2021, 07:02 PM
I'll get the vaccine once a couple years have passed and we can confirm that it doesn't have some totally unforeseen devastating long-term side effect. There's a reason vaccines typically take five years at a minimum to go to market. It is literally impossible for anyone to claim this one is totally safe when it hasn't even existed on this planet for a full year yet. People conflate this attitude with anti-vaxxer nutjobs because they have no good counterargument. No, I don't think bill gates is injecting me with microchips, however I am hesitant to just flippantly inject a substance into my body because msnbc told me to. A substance which protects you against a disease that isn't even particularly dangerous. I'll continue wearing a mask in public because I'm unvaccinated out of respect for others, and I'm not a sociopath who wishes death on my political opponents.

Gwaihir
07-24-2021, 07:04 PM
I'm never going to get the vaccine. I'm making it my goal to incubate and evolve the T-Virus and bring about the Zombie apocalypse; I also won't wear a mask, because no business owner in his right mind will turn away good old fashioned currency at this point, and if they do, I'll go enrich their competition.

starkind
07-24-2021, 07:05 PM
Today I had a lot of fluttery tremors in my arms. I couldn't lift my water mug so had to sip from a short glass elbow against side.. And I had a really hard time swallowing my dinner.

Not sure it was the vaccines tho. Maybe phosphogypsum poisoning.. Hope this helps.

Lune
07-24-2021, 07:11 PM
Which socialist\communist\marxist country would you like to live in?

Capitalism doesn't create wealth and abundance, our productive culture creates wealth and abundance, and it would do so whether our system had more capitalist elements or more socialist ones. This is why our relative standard of living and general economic equality was at its apex in the 1950's which also saw some of the highest tax rates the US has ever had.

There is not and there never has been a purely socialist, communist, or marxist country, just like there has never been a purely capitalist one.

However, in the United States, basic mechanisms of economics like taxation and free market competition are broken. So to answer your question, I'd like to live in literally any other wealthy country besides the US. Germany, Japan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, France, Italy, etc etc etc all have dramatically better standards of living than the USA. Better healthcare, more paid time off, greater happiness in pretty much every way anyone has ever come up with to measure happiness, cheaper education, greater life expectancy, cleaner air, shorter commutes, I could go on.

These other countries, such as Germany, actually have more effective free market capitalist competition because they actually have functioning governments to protect the rules and norms of that competition, unlike the US which serves primarily the interests of capitalists and certain corporations.

It's hilarious that you're so indoctrinated by tribal pro-capitalist US media that you think a post outlining some of the benefits of government means I'm a socialist lol. Our current system is not capitalist.

I'll get the vaccine once a couple years have passed and we can confirm that it doesn't have some totally unforeseen devastating long-term side effect. There's a reason vaccines typically take five years at a minimum to go to market. It is literally impossible for anyone to claim this one is totally safe when it hasn't even existed on this planet for a full year yet. People conflate this attitude with anti-vaxxer nutjobs because they have no good counterargument. No, I don't think bill gates is injecting me with microchips, however I am hesitant to just flippantly inject a substance into my body because msnbc told me to. A substance which protects you against a disease that isn't even particularly dangerous. I'll continue wearing a mask in public because I'm unvaccinated out of respect for others, and I'm not a sociopath who wishes death on my political opponents.

You're dumb if you think whatever possible side effect you're going to get from this vaccine is any worse than the nasty shit you are far more likely to get from a coronavirus infection that is widely known to damage blood vessels in some people, potentially causing damage to your brain and other organs, and even possibly (but very unlikely) killing you.

Think of this entire pandemic as two competing phase I, II, & III trials, one for coronavirus and one for its vaccines. Surprise, science has found that inoculation with coronavirus is significantly more dangerous (so far) than inoculation with mRNA vaccine.

Pulgasari
07-24-2021, 07:21 PM
Capitalism doesn't create wealth and abundance, our productive culture creates wealth and abundance, and it would do so whether our system had more capitalist elements or more socialist ones. This is why our relative standard of living and general economic equality was at its apex in the 1950's which also saw some of the highest tax rates the US has ever had.

There is not and there never has been a purely socialist, communist, or marxist country, just like there has never been a purely capitalist one.

However, in the United States, basic mechanisms of economics like taxation and free market competition are broken. So to answer your question, I'd like to live in literally any other wealthy country besides the US. Germany, Japan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, France, Italy, etc etc etc all have dramatically better standards of living than the USA. Better healthcare, more paid time off, greater happiness in pretty much every way anyone has ever come up with to measure happiness, cheaper education, greater life expectancy, cleaner air, shorter commutes, I could go on.

These other countries, such as Germany, actually have more effective free market capitalist competition because they actually have functioning governments to protect the rules and norms of that competition, unlike the US which serves primarily the interests of capitalists and certain corporations.

It's hilarious that you're so indoctrinated by tribal pro-capitalist US media that you think a post outlining some of the benefits of government means I'm a socialist lol. Our current system is not capitalist.



You're dumb if you think whatever possible side effect you're going to get from this vaccine is any worse than the nasty shit you are far more likely to get from a coronavirus infection that is widely known to damage blood vessels in some people, potentially causing damage to your brain and other organs, and even possibly (but very unlikely) killing you.

Think of this entire pandemic as two competing phase I, II, & III trials, one for coronavirus and one for its vaccines. Surprise, science has found that inoculation with coronavirus is significantly more dangerous (so far) than inoculation with mRNA vaccine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Gwaihir
07-24-2021, 07:24 PM
Anyone who is still parroting fear about Covid is a bitch made coward with a room temperature IQ

6 My people are destroyed for want of knowledge. Because you rejected knowledge, I will also reject you as cohen for me. Because you forgot the Torah of your God, I will also forget your children.
Hoshea (Hos) 4:6 CJB

https://bible.com/bible/1275/hos.4.6.CJB

starkind
07-24-2021, 07:59 PM
cardassian medicine

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Ooloo
07-24-2021, 08:06 PM
Capitalism doesn't create wealth and abundance, our productive culture creates wealth and abundance, and it would do so whether our system had more capitalist elements or more socialist ones. This is why our relative standard of living and general economic equality was at its apex in the 1950's which also saw some of the highest tax rates the US has ever had.

There is not and there never has been a purely socialist, communist, or marxist country, just like there has never been a purely capitalist one.

However, in the United States, basic mechanisms of economics like taxation and free market competition are broken. So to answer your question, I'd like to live in literally any other wealthy country besides the US. Germany, Japan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, France, Italy, etc etc etc all have dramatically better standards of living than the USA. Better healthcare, more paid time off, greater happiness in pretty much every way anyone has ever come up with to measure happiness, cheaper education, greater life expectancy, cleaner air, shorter commutes, I could go on.

These other countries, such as Germany, actually have more effective free market capitalist competition because they actually have functioning governments to protect the rules and norms of that competition, unlike the US which serves primarily the interests of capitalists and certain corporations.

It's hilarious that you're so indoctrinated by tribal pro-capitalist US media that you think a post outlining some of the benefits of government means I'm a socialist lol. Our current system is not capitalist.



You're dumb if you think whatever possible side effect you're going to get from this vaccine is any worse than the nasty shit you are far more likely to get from a coronavirus infection that is widely known to damage blood vessels in some people, potentially causing damage to your brain and other organs, and even possibly (but very unlikely) killing you.

Think of this entire pandemic as two competing phase I, II, & III trials, one for coronavirus and one for its vaccines. Surprise, science has found that inoculation with coronavirus is significantly more dangerous (so far) than inoculation with mRNA vaccine.

Firstly all of the the countries you mentioned have dramaticallly lower populations than the US. We are the 3rd most populous country in the world. As populations increase it becomes increasingly difficult to fashion a system best suited for everybody, yet we are one of the most, if not the most, prosperous countries in history. Why do you think that is? Was it an accident? The systems we have had in place clearly work, which is laid bare by our dominance on a world stage. We didn't lie or cheat or steal to get here, we created a society that the best and brightest of the world wanted to come live in. We've all become fat and happy off that system and that is why it's at risk of being lost; a complete lack of gratitude among the populace.

As for the vaccine, the risk vs reward ratio is completely dependent on your level of risk. If you're young and healthy, no it does not make sense to roll the dice on this vaccine. The vast majority of young healthy people who get covid do not experience any of the detrimental effects you mentioned. If you're 75 and have diabetes, then yes I totally agree you should get the vaccine. My gripe is with people joining a tribe and deciding only one answer or the the other is correct. Currently the vast majority of mainstream media is heavily biased in favor of mindless vaccination, even for kids younger than 12 now. That is socially irresponsible and dangerous.

Horza
07-24-2021, 08:08 PM
Another MAGAtard thread, really?

imperiouskitten
07-24-2021, 09:35 PM
daily reminder if you got the vaccine you're a fucking idiot

hope this helps

still think volunteering to run untested (or tested and known lethal) chink-engineered genome (which overlaps with HIV genetics, oh joy.) in your blood is more idiotic than taking the vax. If I had to work a customer service job I would definitely take the vax. speaking as the only person on this board with an education but Lune / mead.

I do however take your point, and since I'm an indoor hairless albino mole person with a hot body from VR and passive income I've had to take on neither viral payload myself :D but the sun sometimes hurts my eyes.

Gwaihir
07-24-2021, 09:46 PM
still think volunteering to run untested (or tested and known lethal) chink-engineered genome (which overlaps with HIV genetics, oh joy.) in your blood is more idiotic than taking the vax. If I had to work a customer service job I would definitely take the vax. speaking as the only person on this board with an education but Lune / mead.

I do however take your point, and since I'm an indoor hairless albino mole person with a hot body from VR and passive income I've had to take on neither viral payload myself :D but the sun sometimes hurts my eyes.

I come into contact with several dozen people a day while aspiring to be a super spreader like those idiots that spent all last year rioting and burning down cities and national forests.

Like. I want to give everyone muh delta variant.

Pulgasari
07-24-2021, 10:11 PM
I come

Like. I want to give everyone muh delta variant.

debased and pozzed

imperiouskitten
07-24-2021, 10:15 PM
I come into contact with several dozen people a day while aspiring to be a super spreader like those idiots that spent all last year rioting and burning down cities and national forests.

Like. I want to give everyone muh delta variant.

That is odd. Seems like the TV news has you mad a year later. Are you getting enough pussy?

Gwaihir
07-24-2021, 10:25 PM
That is odd. Seems like the TV news has you mad a year later. Are you getting enough pussy?

Definitely. Thanks for the offer though.

imperiouskitten
07-24-2021, 10:27 PM
teh story that stuck in my craw for a year+ was the torture report with the BDSM forcing prisoners to eat using their anus while studying their reactions MKULTRA style with million-dollar-salaried crook doctors. our tastes may reveal something about our selves

Jibartik
07-24-2021, 10:33 PM
I don’t care what your opinions are, you’re ok with me!

Another MAGAtard thread, really?

Eslade
07-25-2021, 06:18 PM
The amount of commies in here really explains why the rules on blue and green are the way they are.

Nocht
07-25-2021, 06:49 PM
Pineapple on pizza.

Choose your side.

<o\ n /o>

Botten
07-25-2021, 07:47 PM
I'll get the vaccine once a couple years have passed and we can confirm that it doesn't have some totally unforeseen devastating long-term side effect. There's a reason vaccines typically take five years at a minimum to go to market. It is literally impossible for anyone to claim this one is totally safe when it hasn't even existed on this planet for a full year yet. People conflate this attitude with anti-vaxxer nutjobs because they have no good counterargument. No, I don't think bill gates is injecting me with microchips, however I am hesitant to just flippantly inject a substance into my body because msnbc told me to. A substance which protects you against a disease that isn't even particularly dangerous. I'll continue wearing a mask in public because I'm unvaccinated out of respect for others, and I'm not a sociopath who wishes death on my political opponents.

Good news we have been experimenting with mRNA vaccine possibilities for about 50 years. But I really wish we had practiced the method like the vaccinia which is live in the vaccine. Because the virus is alive, it can spread to other parts of the body or to other people. Making anti-Vaxxer have no choice. Worked well with smallpox.

https://youtu.be/XPeeCyJReZw

Jibartik
07-25-2021, 08:14 PM
Democrats try to pretend that they are not the pearl clutching evangelicals but they are pearl clutching evangelicals trying to shove their puritanical values down everyone's throats while driving tesla's exactly like all the Joe Olsen's of the world.

https://i.imgur.com/lneUmR5.png

imperiouskitten
07-25-2021, 08:21 PM
Good news we have been experimenting with mRNA vaccine possibilities for about 50 years. But I really wish we had practiced the method like the vaccinia which is live in the vaccine. Because the virus is alive, it can spread to other parts of the body or to other people. Making anti-Vaxxer have no choice. Worked well with smallpox.

https://youtu.be/XPeeCyJReZw

You're taking the wrong conclusion from this video. In fact he says mRNA vaccines have only been worked on since the 90s around 2:10. Careful with the word precision; it's a clickbaity title ;)

not impugning your conclusions. the mRNA technique is cool.

Thorgrimm
07-25-2021, 08:28 PM
Good news we have been experimenting with mRNA vaccine possibilities for about 50 years. But I really wish we had practiced the method like the vaccinia which is live in the vaccine. Because the virus is alive, it can spread to other parts of the body or to other people. Making anti-Vaxxer have no choice. Worked well with smallpox.

https://youtu.be/XPeeCyJReZw

The Left always dehumanizes people with words and slogans

Anti this and that ect.

It's really all about ushering in an American Social Credit System like they have in China

Jibartik
07-25-2021, 08:33 PM
It's really all about ushering in an American Social Credit System like they have in China

people dress in 1 sexless uniform on their own you know

lol that pearl puritanical evangelical democratic scum! (full circle)

unsunghero
07-25-2021, 08:44 PM
The Left always dehumanizes people with words and slogans

Anti this and that.

“Anti help people?”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v_32zkuxDbw

I guess this crotchety old black lady assumes all conservatives are old white men. I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt when she says “let them die”, she means of old age and not to kill us

What I would say to her is that I’m only 38 years old and in the best shape of my life, pretty sure this fat unhealthy lady is going to die long before me, only question is going to be is it gonna be from heart disease or diabetes

Gwaihir
07-25-2021, 08:50 PM
The funny thing is that the majority of the unvaxxed are of African American and Hispanic ethnicity.

All of this rhetoric about unvaccinated degenerate anti-science cretins is essentially a big racist dogwhistle.

Just take the "jab" you stupid naggers.

imperiouskitten
07-25-2021, 10:14 PM
btw in response to thread title philosophy, which i call "operation paperclip socialized: teh new philosophy of moral apathy circa 1995 lol". not very catchy but highly convenient

bc5dWw7vzRI

@jibartik for his guild too. You monster!!! :p

Gwaihir
07-25-2021, 10:57 PM
btw in response to thread title philosophy, which i call "operation paperclip socialized: teh new philosophy of moral apathy circa 1995 lol". not very catchy but highly convenient

bc5dWw7vzRI

@jibartik for his guild too. You monster!!! :p

Philo-sophy
Philo: love of
Sophistry: wisdom

Unfortunately, despite vast swathes of wisdom dropped firsthand by myself on this board, I can fairly surmise there is no philosophy among the majority of our forum-denizens.

Pulgasari
07-25-2021, 11:03 PM
Philo-sophy
Philo: love of
Sophistry: wisdom

Unfortunately, despite vast swathes of wisdom dropped firsthand by myself on this board, I can fairly surmise there is no philosophy among the majority of our forum-denizens.

J41iFYO0NQA

Gwaihir
07-25-2021, 11:18 PM
Why do they call it Sophistry? What is the root of the word? Or should I say, "Who" is the root of the Form?

Horza
07-25-2021, 11:32 PM
Why do they call it Sophistry? What is the root of the word? Or should I say, "Who" is the root of the Form?

Based on who is asking, I'm going to guess your answer is Jewish people.

Gwaihir
07-25-2021, 11:35 PM
No. What is the root of "Sophistry"

We gno that philo-sophy translates as "love of wisdom" but the "istry" means "of the school of"

So what is the root?

I'm super baby stepping this one for you. Show me you're a thinking thing.

starkind
07-25-2021, 11:36 PM
people dress in 1 sexless uniform on their own you know

lol that pearl puritanical evangelical democratic scum! (full circle)

This would destroy the economy and we'd all just start digging through our landfills and cutting up upholstery and sack clothing.

It's actually what happened like in wwi (maybe not two) the flower companies started selling their flower in bags with nice prints because people were using them.

It's just absurd and absolutely insane tho, literally 90% of Americans could not bake their own bread, filter water, or sew clothes. They'd full stop break down without their Coca-Cola n lil plastic bottles of shampoo.

Look, I'm not saying we should try living like apes, just that we should recognize how good we got it, then consider improving on that.

We won't tho.

God bless.

~starkind

Gwaihir
07-25-2021, 11:42 PM
This would destroy the economy and we'd all just start digging through our landfills and cutting up upholstery and sack clothing.

It's actually what happened like in wwi (maybe not two) the flower companies started selling their flower in bags with nice prints because people were using them.

It's just absurd and absolutely insane tho, literally 90% of Americans could not bake their own bread, filter water, or sew clothes. They'd full stop break down without their Coca-Cola n lil plastic bottles of shampoo.

Look, I'm not saying we should try living like apes, just that we should recognize how good we got it, then consider improving on that.

We won't tho.

God bless.

~starkind
It really brings truth to the Tryptich subtext of the Garden of Earthly Delights. Well-intentioned people re-vol-utionize and utter retards consume without Sophia until nothing is left but entropic ruin.

Explain to me why they don't deserve to be ruled, utterly, again?

starkind
07-25-2021, 11:44 PM
It really brings truth to the Tryptich subtext of the Garden of Earthly Delights. Well-intentioned people re-vol-utionize and utter retards consume without Sophia until nothing is left but entropic ruin.

Explain to me why they don't deserve to be ruled, utterly, again?

That's just it.

They are. They don't really understand tho. But it's still appropriate to cultivate individual independence and strength in those who are able, willing and receptive. (Able)

They'll be the next batch of rulers. While the majority continues to beg for chicken nuggets.

Gwaihir
07-25-2021, 11:50 PM
That's just it.

They are. They don't really understand tho. But it's still appropriate to cultivate individual independence and strength in those who are able, willing and receptive. (Able)

They'll be the next batch of rulers. While the majority continues to beg for chicken nuggets.

Yeah, Hosea 10:12 tells us to cultivate our own soil, is this merely an instruction manual on ow to prepare oneself to Rule?

I suppose if we don't keep casting seed in hopes of it falling on fertile ground we won't have a next batch of rulers. Imagine how fucked up that situation would be? A whole world under the curse of Cain cannibalizing itself.

Sigh. See what I did there?

Tag, you're it ;)

starkind
07-26-2021, 12:01 AM
Don't worry. I'm ok with whatever shampoo bottles rain my way. Zero plans to beg for them either.

I think the wokeism will burn it's self out eventually.

You seem capable, disciplined, educated, and measured.

I'm fine, ok.

I just really enjoyed making posts like OP and basically if one person evaluates themselves in the least then makes a conscious choice to do better or even just feels better about themselves or their circumstances because they've been given an opportunity to get my perspective. Well. That's pretty good.

I really want to say, in the weirdest way we are all almost in agreement tho.

Begging for nuggets or shampoo or whatever from a military police dicktatership owned by oligarcs is kind of loosing game. For us. Our children. Money makers and rich ppl sell them vaccines. They don't hope and pray and queue up for em.

Pulgasari
07-26-2021, 12:03 AM
pretty sure the answer is lesbians 💯

Gwaihir
07-26-2021, 12:15 AM
So, basically, what you're saying is I should perform a hostile corporate takeover of Tyson, consolidate a loyal cult-following, and then springboard from there into global domination? Athena would be pleased.

starkind
07-26-2021, 12:20 AM
pretty sure the answer is lesbians ��


Idk. Lesbianism implies this monolithic sexuality that's like very restrictive and exclusive. Also sexuality isn't really relevant to world domination or efficiency. I guess under certain circumstances and contexts it could be relevant, in that case polygamy is probably the ideal way for babies to get made and raised, but u seriously run into the pitfall of a weak male breeding with lots of females. So maybe there's just not one good solution to eugenics.

Anyway. The reality is that breeding and heritage is less important than individual skill and ability and always has been. Any thought patterns to the contrary are just a trap in which the individual is placed within a generalized group.

The first black men to free themselves probably didn't place such labels and restrictions on themselves.

So, basically, what you're saying is I should perform a hostile corporate takeover of Tyson, consolidate a loyal cult-following, and then springboard from there into global domination? Athena would be pleased.

Sure, :p

And tbqvfh. We'd all probably be better for it if u (or several) ppl were successful.

Gwaihir
07-26-2021, 12:23 AM
Idk. Lesbianism implies this monolithic sexuality that's like very restrictive and exclusive. Also sexuality isn't really relevant to world domination or efficiency. I guess under certain circumstances and contexts it could be relevant, in that case polygamy is probably the ideal way for babies to get made and raised, but u seriously run into the pitfall of a weak male breeding with lots of females. So maybe there's just not one good solution to eugenics.

Anyway. The reality is that breeding and heritage is less important than individual skill and ability and always has been. Any thought patterns to the contrary are just a trap in which the individual is placed within a generalized group.

The first black men to free themselves probably didn't place such labels and restrictions on themselves.

As if a weak male would ever make it through the neverending barrage of Charisma and Fortitude checks the women subconsciously lob their way.

Do you think any woman, let alone many of women, would ever mate with someone like Horza? His bitch management skills consist of:
Being more emotional than a woman
Placating and supplicating to his betters

starkind
07-26-2021, 12:32 AM
As if a weak male would...

Oof, that's harsh criticism. But have to agree. Especially on principle.

I was thinking some kinda ritualistic system with some meritorious competition or combative components thrown into the mix. As it is, breeding is privilege to create life, throwing death or worse in the mix seems appropriate and reasonable.

Anyway rituals and tradition can be usurped and corrupted, so then again we fall into that issue of a kind of rigid monocultural or monolithic system.

I guess it sucks to be most Americans, but it does get better dudes. Once u stop relying on others to uplift u. Or fix the world or make everything and everyone safe.

Pulgasari
07-26-2021, 12:40 AM
Oof, that's harsh criticism. But have to agree. Especially on principle.

I was thinking some kinda ritualistic system with some meritorious competition or combative components thrown into the mix. As it is, breeding is privilege to create life, throwing death or worse in the mix seems appropriate and reasonable.

Anyway rituals and tradition can be usurped and corrupted, so then again we fall into that issue of a kind of rigid monocultural or monolithic system.

I guess it sucks to be most Americans, but it does get better dudes. Once u stop relying on others to uplift u. Or fix the world or make everything and everyone safe.

Creating life is a natural right. China tried to restrict it because China sucks.

Pulgasari
07-26-2021, 12:41 AM
So, basically, what you're saying is I should perform a hostile corporate takeover of Tyson, consolidate a loyal cult-following, and then springboard from there into global domination? Athena would be pleased.

So you're saying
No

starkind
07-26-2021, 12:42 AM
Tldr ritual lesbian combat for surrogate stock?

Gwaihir
07-26-2021, 01:26 AM
Tldr ritual lesbian combat for surrogate stock?

If you have a ball of dough made from the finest ingredients, and then you mix one teaspoon of faeces into it; that's not a loaf of bread anybody's gonna want to eat.

Anyhow, the most brutish lesbian doesn't sound very attractive, so this competition would have to be solely for producing colonizing stock; for first-wave colonial warfare.

Pulgasari
07-26-2021, 01:27 AM
Except in this case, starkind vehemently agrees. You all are fucking retards and deserve to be ruled, for you can't even rule yourselves and your entire political ideology is that of one begging for a strong daddy to rule over and provide for you.

The enlightened dark shall go back to the Abyss prepared for it :p

Biden immanente

starkind
07-26-2021, 01:32 AM
The enlightened dark shall go back to the Abyss prepared for it :p

Biden immanente

Lol.

Gwaihir
07-26-2021, 01:43 AM
The enlightened dark shall go back to the Abyss prepared for it :p

Biden immanente

Lol that's a laughable assertion. You all are retarded. You still haven't even concluded what the root word of Sophistry is.
In Latin the root word is transfigured to Sapiente
Which is where the taxonomy of the species Homo Sapien derives it's root.

Words have meaning. By Definition the descendant cannot be en-light-ened because they are en-dark-ened.

Romans 1:21
21 Because, even though they in actual fact knew G-d, they did not ascribe Him kavod (glory) as G-d or give hodayah (thanksgiving) to Him, but became filled with hevel (futility, vanity, emptiness, worthlessness) in their thinking, and their senseless levavot were darkened.
Kehilah in Rome 1:21 OJB

Proverbs 8:5
5 O ye simple ones, understand armah (prudence); and, ye kesilim, understand in your lev.
Mishle 8:5 OJB

Understand the root of the word "Levatot" in Romans 1:21 is used in Proverbs 8:5. What does "Levatot" mean? What does "Lev" mean?

Horza
07-26-2021, 01:45 AM
Nobody cares about your schizo rants, Teppler.

Gwaihir
07-26-2021, 01:46 AM
This fucking dipshit actually thinks his overlords are gonna "win" for him, and in his stead, and will benevolently extend their Nike to him: a fat ass do-nothing dullard that doesn't even understand the precepts of the words falling out of his fat overfed mouth.


Hahahahaha

starkind
07-26-2021, 01:47 AM
Levavot.

Senseless fear hunger? Fear food. Senseless bread? Futile efforts?

Poop breads?

Uneccessary lsbor? Fat bread? Make work? Worry?

Overgrowth, growing? Rising? Fake worship? False worship? Envy,

Horza
07-26-2021, 01:49 AM
Republicans losing control of every branch of the federal government has made you very bitter.

Gwaihir
07-26-2021, 01:50 AM
Nobody cares about your schizo rants, Teppler.

Sure thing bud. Schizo rants. Pulls out the most pertinent verse in the entire bible applicable to the prideful and absolutely arrogant assertion by Pulgarassi. Absolutely liturgically owned.

And in doing so, another Edomite idiot is unmasked.

starkind
07-26-2021, 01:53 AM
Levavot... excessive unworthy praise?...

Flattery.

Pulgasari
07-26-2021, 01:57 AM
Sure thing bud. Schizo rants. Pulls out the most pertinent verse in the entire bible applicable to the prideful and absolutely arrogant assertion by Pulgarassi. Absolutely liturgically owned.

And in doing so, another Edomite idiot is unmasked.

I wasn't being liturgical. Google dark enlightenment :)

Not the law

Gwaihir
07-26-2021, 01:59 AM
Levavot.

Senseless fear hunger? Fear food. Senseless bread? Futile efforts?

Poop breads?

Uneccessary lsbor? Fat bread? Make work? Worry?

Lev is often translated as "heart" but as we can see in several English translations of the proverbial scripture, "Lev" is also translated as "Soul".
5 O little ones, understand discernment. And you who are unwise, turn your souls.
Proverbs 8:5 CPDV


With that understanding, the word "Levator" is used to describe a muscle which contracts to raise-up a body part.

Likewise, in the English language this is also the root of the words:
eLEVate
LEVel
Levitate
Which carries special significance since the word describing the Heart/Soul is related to something which has LEVels
Lev-El

So, in his naive assertion Pulgarassi is insinuating that a de-leveled soul is going to come out victorious over God himself, and then be of the benevolent nature of sharing that power with his dumb ass cohort.

starkind
07-26-2021, 02:02 AM
Lev is often translated as "heart" but as we can see in several English translations of the proverbial scripture, "Lev" is also translated as "Soul".
5 O little ones, understand discernment. And you who are unwise, turn your souls.
Proverbs 8:5 CPDV


With that understanding, the word "Levator" is used to describe a muscle which contracts to raise-up a body part.

Likewise, in the English language this is also the root of the words:
eLEVate
LEVel
Levitate
Which carries special significance since the word describing the Heart/Soul is related to something which has LEVels
Lev-El

So, in his naive assertion Pulgarassi is insinuating that a de-leveled soul is going to come out victorious over God himself, and then be of the benevolent nature of sharing that power with his dumb ass cohort.
Yeah he's not, Biden is not on the level or restoring balance.

That all said, I still like Pulgasari. N what P said was p funny hence the lol

Gwaihir
07-26-2021, 02:12 AM
I wasn't being liturgical. Google dark enlightenment :)

Not the law

A return to absolute monarchy, and a globally unified one at that. Biden is a geriatric dementia patient. He's not gonna unify the world under a monarchy, let alone defeat the prophecies surrounding the absolute failure of such an endeavor.

Again, I assert you're fucking retarded for thinking a geriatric dementia patient has the ability, and even more retarded for thinking it will benevolently benefit you.

starkind
07-26-2021, 02:13 AM
Pulgarassi it seems like you have a tendency to break things into their fundamental parts tho. N i don't want to say simp lefy but. Like I feel like sometimes ur dismissing that bigger NP complex picture. But maybe Biden is a part of God's plan. Idk.

I think ppl should pray for Biden, Trump. Harris, Hillary, Bush whomever all the same. Remember ur not like praying to accept or enable their agendas At least I'm not. But like lost sheep they need the opportunity and self empowerment to like see what they are doing and be healthy and able to do the right things so like in that vein I'm not wishing misery on them n even my heart kinda subtly pained against my own reasoning at mitch turning all blue and Nancy and Kellyannes skelatorifyication.

Pulgasari
07-26-2021, 02:16 AM
Biden is a part of God's plan. Idk.

He uses sinners sometimes, because there's noone else. :o

Pulgasari
07-26-2021, 02:17 AM
A return to absolute monarchy, and a globally unified one at that. Biden is a geriatric dementia patient. He's not gonna unify the world under a monarchy, let alone defeat the prophecies surrounding the absolute failure of such an endeavor.

Again, I assert you're fucking retarded for thinking a geriatric dementia patient has the ability, and even more retarded for thinking it will benevolently benefit you.

I am not in favor of that meme I thought you could deduce that from context clues.

Gwaihir
07-26-2021, 02:27 AM
He uses sinners sometimes, because there's noone else. :o

That's rather astute.

Esotericism usually describes three paths:
LHP (Qlipothic path of manifestation for Ego's Gain: Luciferian Satanists)
Middle path (Sefirothic path of manifestation for Ego's gain. Aka hermeticism, some freemasons and some rosicrucians)
RHP (Sefirothic path of manifestation for reifying God's will: aka Estoeric Christianity/ some Rosicrucianists)

Naturally there has to also be a fourth path:

Inverted Middle Path: Qlipothic path of manifestation for reifying God's Will. (Luciferianism)

Most schools do not acknowledge the possibility of this path, but the evidence at the highest echelons seems to indicate this is what resides, in power, above the pedo-death cultists seeking Power for themselves.

Consider Judas: while infamous for betraying Christ: he was absolutely essential for fulfilling prophecy surrounding how Christ would be betrayed to Death.

starkind
07-26-2021, 09:51 AM
Hope we can all get a long a little better now.

/thread )

Pulgasari
07-26-2021, 11:18 AM
Hope we can all get a long a little better now.

/thread )

The Dracula in Dracula 2000 was portrayed as Judas. Big era for "Christian" films. A literal bloodsucker antihero.

e: he crucified himself on a neon sign iirc

Jibartik
07-26-2021, 11:43 AM
when we all die in the cliamte disaster of 2029 it will have been 1 groups fault.

The left's

because they didn't like nuclear power because they are STUPID hippies that dont call their mothers.

starkind
07-26-2021, 12:05 PM
The Dracula in Dracula 2000 was portrayed as Judas. Big era for "Christian" films. A literal bloodsucker antihero.

e: he crucified himself on a neon sign iirc

hehehehe ya gud movie

imperiouskitten
07-26-2021, 04:40 PM
Philo-sophy
Philo: love of
Sophistry: wisdom

Unfortunately, despite vast swathes of wisdom dropped firsthand by myself on this board, I can fairly surmise there is no philosophy among the majority of our forum-denizens.

After 10 years of poasting, I've investigated the hearts of every regular. I have nightmares about their total unreachability. I really do. My recurring nightmares are about crowds that will not listen to me, physically jostling and catching me up in their stampede movements and my arms are too weak to resist them. Or about my husband disbelieving me, forgetting me, and believing the falsity we are so drenched in, marching forward for his part in the shared atrocity.

My husband has long since told me to stop poasting because the grief of being surrounded by such violent intent means this board really does affect my emotions, and I usually post here in a cyclical depression lately when I feel like addressing the cannibals of our society directly. I get pretty emotional about the 500k Americans dead to pandemic people make jokes about, the fact that I have never once ever heard anyone else but myself suggest measures as simple as covering up green produce at the grocery store instead of leaving it open to the air, etc.

You can search up pulgasari to see the high enlightenment of the most brilliant of the old poster-stock remaining. "ull keep coming back u fucking cunt, stop pretending u have boundaries i didnt sign anything. cunt, just GET dehumanized quietly, how dare u respond in kind to patriam". Yep, instead of protecting the 28 year old girl from the 60 year old man, friend of 10 years, who is rejecting her for no reason but bigotry -- you better protect the man instead, being yourself a f@gg0t lol. Yeah gwaihir, i miss Azzar but i'm glad ur about :p or I couldn't even cry for them here anymore, they who I invited to interface with me with kindness but chose abuse because they like the taste of the nuts of other men so much.

I hope my recently revealed biographical details explain where I am coming from. I do actually die before I stop being a "cunt" around people like patriam, cecily et al. who deserve less than zero nutswinging white knights. So I really am circling the drain here, because this is VERY tedious to find myself the only person who values the kind, brilliant, hot one over the actual fascist mongo cretin who literally cannot hold a conversation with me.

Anyway, i love you gwaihir and I wish poasting was not bad for my mental health. Send the ole imperious-kitten account a lank if you ever find a board where people are seeking friends, not IRL agoraphobic etc :) I miss the friendly jousting style that came before I was so pretty that admitting my IQ's above 85 meant admitting that life is extremely unfair. Now that there's only about 5% remaining of heterosexual men, there are very few remaining ppl able to cope with being outgunned in the femme war.

Gustoo
07-26-2021, 04:47 PM
hehehehe ya gud movie

Dracula untold is a pretty sweet movie. Plus the lead actor (Bard from the hobbit series) is the best for sure.

He impales some bad guys

Pulgasari
07-26-2021, 04:58 PM
The guy giving me what I've said I wanted since 2019 is a villain.

Take the opportunity to leave feeling superior with my blessing.

LNS granted. :)

imperiouskitten
07-26-2021, 05:13 PM
no idea what ur talking about as usual, gibberish brain, except that evidently you hold a grudge from pre-transition. Oh joy, you're on Cecily's scale. or, wait was it all a funny joke? I forget which plotline we're going with to avoid your anxiety

I would ask u to try communicating, but you gave up on me before you mustered the courage to even bother with that. You are an agoraphobic incel who experiences anxiety about penning any sentence longer than 5 words and any paragraph longer than 2 sentences, and you're frightened of me; please stop pretending this is a normal interaction between two hip people of equal agency. You are a disabled retard and I was very kind to try to hang on to you thus far. You are not a very charming retard because you do not value me whatsoever and refuse to respect my feelings while simultaneously refusing to communicate. I have put a lot of energy into my love for you and you have reciprocated very little expenditure back. In short, you do not deserve the love of one such as me in a very basic, elemental, mathematical way. Hope this helps!

PS, enjoy your man friend. he really is 40 points lower on teh IQ scale you know. he thinks ur smarter than me :o . what could you really be gaining? :o

imperiouskitten
07-26-2021, 05:28 PM
I think he's staring at the screen right now legitimately astonished that I haven't extracted a detailed philosophy and set of demands from his total silence. Some people really do not appreciate the energy their friends put in. How many ppl would court the friendship of a statue for 3 years after it arbitrarily stopped loving them?

well, enjoy patriam then. He at least does not perceive you with anything approaching accuracy. Should help with the anxiety. Lol.

Leaving you behind with Maerilith after extensive efforts. You are fundamentally unkind and totally unappreciative. I did try, and yes harder than you or Patriam or Cecily or the rest of the nazis. And I leave unclear on whether this even is an attempt at ostracism or just a personal sperg-out on your part. Sad that your love is so thin.

strongNpretty
07-26-2021, 05:34 PM
Covid has shown me that a seriously unhealthy portion of the country assume they will be dying of old age at 117 and not- Cancer, A shark, A drunk Driver, Kidney Failure, Heart Disease, Falling off a cliff, Navigating Jupiter Inlet as your intro to boating. Being murdered walking through that one neighborhood in your city. An insane amount of possibilities will take you out in this world-

But man....
THAT COVID SHOT!!!!!

How about this- Get on that WebMD site, and find a symptom of anything you might be feeling. Is your foot itchy? Find what causes itchy feet, then search thru the possibility of illnesses.. There you go- you have a new, more legit health issue to focus your energy on. Enjoy!

Nirgon
07-26-2021, 06:38 PM
Joe Biden’s regime is spending $3 million a day to SUSPEND border wall construction. Only the federal government could figure out how to pay to NOT build something.

Pulgasari
07-26-2021, 09:52 PM
Joe Biden’s regime is spending $3 million a day to SUSPEND border wall construction. Only the federal government could figure out how to pay to NOT build something.

Breach is a bitch. :p

Biden bad

Trexller
07-26-2021, 10:13 PM
Joe Biden’s regime is spending $3 million a day to SUSPEND border wall construction. Only the federal government could figure out how to pay to NOT build something.

I feel like we should mention that the Biden administration has given us a wonderful Labor Shortage AND High Unemployment.

You gotta be a total moron to pull that off.

a little over a year ago, the USA had record employment levels across all demographics. What could have changed, I wonder...

SBO: "Our business can't hire enough people to operate, so we're closing"

Biden/Dems: "Here's more free cash on top of your 3x+ extended unemployment benefits so that you can get paid to go riot because twitter said cops are bad"

Jibartik
07-26-2021, 11:14 PM
fuck my foot's itchy...

Mead
07-27-2021, 12:46 AM
daily reminder if you got the vaccine you're a fucking idiot

hope this helps

99% of our hospital's covid admissions have been unvaccinated people. Many of them I have laid to rest. We've only had 1 fully vaccinated person get tubed so far.

Hope this helps.

Trexller
07-27-2021, 12:59 AM
99% of our hospital's covid admissions have been unvaccinated people. Many of them I have laid to rest. We've only had 1 fully vaccinated person get tubed so far.

Hope this helps.

Its a bad cold. If a bad cold kills you, sorry about your luck. Nature is a cruel mistress.

Sorry that these arent pretty, fluffy heartwarming words, but humanity needs to man up, grow some balls and address truth.

Mead
07-27-2021, 01:13 AM
Its a bad cold. If a bad cold kills you, sorry about your luck. Nature is a cruel mistress.

Sorry that these arent pretty, fluffy heartwarming words, but humanity needs to man up, grow some balls and address truth.

Everyone is tough until they end up in that icu bed panicking and crying lol. It's honestly fine with me at this point. We're so used to it. Just spitting out the statistics.

imperiouskitten
07-27-2021, 01:44 AM
99% of our hospital's covid admissions have been unvaccinated people. Many of them I have laid to rest. We've only had 1 fully vaccinated person get tubed so far.

Hope this helps.

thanks Mead, helpful.

imagine reacting with indignation to mead here LoL

Jibartik
07-27-2021, 03:06 AM
Nature is a cruel mistress.

Sorry that these arent pretty, fluffy heartwarming words, but humanity needs to man up, grow some balls and address truth.

I think if were going with the Islamic fundamentalist approach ill go with the seize the rich and throw you in a gulag folks.

It's also going to be ironic when trump loses by exactly the number of folks that have been unvax'd and died of covid lol

Jimjam
07-27-2021, 04:25 AM
Its a bad cold. If a bad cold kills you, sorry about your luck. Nature is a cruel mistress.

Sorry that these arent pretty, fluffy heartwarming words, but humanity needs to man up, grow some balls and address truth.

Pro social behaviour is natural and precedent. There is a reason governments have pushed catchy rhymes like ‘coughs and sneezes spread diseases’ and encourage establishments to paste posters encouraging hand washing or to properly catch, kill, bin infections matter since way before the pandemic.

Respecting personal space, avoiding spitting, sick days, hand washing, etc are long expected etiquette for a reason.

If you can’t do that basic minimum you may as well shit in the street, kitchen, wherever.

Mblake1981
07-27-2021, 05:09 AM
Many of them I have laid to rest.

Hope this helps.

panicking and crying lol.
It's honestly fine with me at this point.
We're so used to it.

Look at that.


imagine reacting with indignation to mead here LoL

starkind
07-27-2021, 08:03 AM
Covid is the new godwin.

But ya I agree with mead for the most part for what it's worth.

starkind
07-27-2021, 08:04 AM
Antisocial behaviore should be beaten out of ppl if possible (honestly don't know how else, beyond fear of torture, obviously never will be a 100% success rate, but better than 0% for not even trying). IDK why it's allowed to flourish (antisocial behavior) (probably because it suits the people ikn control of the governmant lol)

(probably by keeping us at eachothers throats and wasting each others time without a common goal)

Mesocyclone
07-27-2021, 09:11 AM
We the Suckers of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect New World Order, establish Injustice, insure domestic violence, ensure for the common separation, promote the general Welfare and communism and tyranny, and secure the Curses of Satan to ourselves and our offspring, do ordain and establish this New World Order for the United Suckers of America.

Jimjam
07-27-2021, 09:25 AM
People talk about individual responsibility - they should look after them self - but it also means you are accountable for the consequences of your actions.

So when people argue against pro social behaviour of being a matter of individual responsibility choice they are arguing they are liable for their negligence in social responsibility.

Jibartik
07-27-2021, 11:43 AM
People talk about individual responsibility - they should look after them self - but it also means you are accountable for the consequences of your actions.

So when people argue against pro social behaviour of being a matter of individual responsibility choice they are arguing they are liable for their negligence in social responsibility.

god damn this post is so true it makes me angry and I agree with it 100%

imperiouskitten
07-27-2021, 02:01 PM
whoooo you are
wherrre you're from
what you did
as long as you never ask to be treated w respect

https://i.imgur.com/desAE00.png

whoooo u are (WHO U ARE)
WHERE YO FROOOM
flo rih duh
as long as you naazi

Jibartik
07-27-2021, 02:05 PM
that guy's moustache feeds on carbon dioxide.

Evia
07-27-2021, 02:24 PM
god damn this post is so true it makes me angry and I agree with it 100%

But what if one person's idea,or view, of social responsibility does not align with another's? Do you simply override their will for the 'greater good'? And if so, can we really argue that forcing someone to do something against their will is the socially responsible action to take?

Gwaihir
07-27-2021, 03:35 PM
But what if one person's idea,or view, of social responsibility does not align with another's? Do you simply override their will for the 'greater good'? And if so, can we really argue that forcing someone to do something against their will is the socially responsible action to take?

I dunno
It seems to be legal to knowingly transmit HIV to another person without telling them, so *shrugs*

Jibartik
07-27-2021, 03:44 PM
Personal responsibility means if you mouth off to a cop or make any snap movements you deserve to die, but if you dont wear a mask and give the cop covid it was your freedom.

Speaking of

But what if one person's idea,or view, of social responsibility does not align with another's?

who's right in that example?

Gwaihir
07-27-2021, 04:58 PM
who's right in that example?

The one with the most intersections, duh.

imperiouskitten
07-27-2021, 06:43 PM
I've been trying to get neoteny, queer-baitery, looking good etc added as an intersectional complex because it makes even Pokesan go frothy at teh mouth. Everyone who can't have you either assumes uve got it easy, or is in so much denial they go sideways from reality and real angry. U do know that even the hottest, most brilliant couple has to deal with all the same problems u do PLUS being a minority 3 standard deviations along two of the key social axes we use.

nobody understands what it's like to be beautiful except other beautifuls. i've always found the prettiest ones so lonely :(

Cecily
07-27-2021, 06:46 PM
I've been trying to get neoteny, queer-baitery, looking good etc added as an intersectional complex because it makes even Pokesan go frothy at teh mouth. Everyone who can't have you either assumes uve got it easy, or is in so much denial they go sideways from reality and real angry. Nobody understands what it's like to be beautiful

Let us know if you find out.

imperiouskitten
07-27-2021, 06:52 PM
Let us know if you find out.

It's easy to tell when you're good-looking, because it's like a secret club. A lot of defenses go down between both parties. There's a special nod you do when you are with a group, and wind up alone w/ the only other hot person. Etc.

Also you can tell relative beauties of your friends by various techniques for instance like if you bring that person to the bar, they get swarmed by the strippers etc just looking to grab-ass and tease him for being shy and beautiful. Using this and comparable first-hand experiences you can do some algebra to rate your own attractiveness in the general eyes of others. It is hard to be delusional about being attractive; indeed self-confidence in this area is in itself a rarified and very effective attracting trait!

I sure hope this helps. Btw I recently got all the hairs removed from my face and it owns, like another rocket boost stage added

Nexii
07-27-2021, 06:55 PM
I've been trying to get neoteny, queer-baitery, looking good etc added as an intersectional complex because it makes even Pokesan go frothy at teh mouth. Everyone who can't have you either assumes uve got it easy, or is in so much denial they go sideways from reality and real angry. Nobody understands what it's like to be beautiful

My stories also fascinated. Wonder what depraved desires lay repressed. Probably lots.

I think I can pull off attractive with effort. Probably should more often it's a good feeling when I get there

Cecily
07-27-2021, 06:58 PM
It's easy to tell when you're good-looking, because it's like a secret club. A lot of defenses go down between both parties. There's a special nod you do when you are with a group, and wind up alone w/ the only other hot person. Etc.

Also you can tell relative beauties of your friends by various techniques for instance like if you bring that person to the bar, they get swarmed by the strippers etc just looking to grab-ass and tease him for being shy and beautiful. Using this and comparable first-hand experiences you can do some algebra to rate your own attractiveness in the general eyes of others. It is hard to be delusional about being attractive; indeed self-confidence in this area is in itself a rarified and very effective attracting trait!

I sure hope this helps.
Can't relate. Shop keepers chase me out with pitchforks.

imperiouskitten
07-27-2021, 07:00 PM
Can't relate. Shop keepers chase me out with pitchforks.

that's okay. one time when i was having a "bad day" i went to get a motel room to escalate this conflict with my husband, and the old asian lady at the counter wouldn't give me a room. She wouldn't believe that I wasn't meeting a man there for prostitution. "Just ONE person!" she said 5 times before pretending my card wouldnt work. I was dressed perfectly modestly. I claim this as another example of this intersectional issue; if I were obese I would have gotten that room.

So you see, we can ALL be chased out by shop keepers. maybe I do not deserve the most ruthless fusillades of envious bitterness yall can muster

Cecily
07-27-2021, 07:03 PM
I've been enjoying our non-aggression as of late, but I've noticed you've recently attempted to summon me about 3 times. Hope everything is well. Congrats on the hair removal.

Pulgasari
07-27-2021, 07:59 PM
My stories also fascinated. Wonder what depraved desires lay repressed. Probably lots.

I think I can pull off attractive with effort. Probably should more often it's a good feeling when I get there

Just so we're clear, it would be ok to be mean to you under the morality J is pretending at.

She has no leg to stand on, they're pointed skyward. :p

imperiouskitten
07-27-2021, 11:51 PM
unmuted the genius to observe he is gaslighting Nexii. no, we don't dogpile people who stand out under my sense of morality nor get downright mean with sweethearts. It IS okay to poke fun of course!

People who are on here to earnestly try to drive others away, like pokesan admitted yesterday are really pathetic imo. It is clear now though; he hates me and believes I deserve mistreatment.

Cecily i'm not trying to summon you, I do think you are a relevant individual in the roster here tho so I name check. I'll try to stop, i've said my piece many times now. Only point was to get pokesan to finally articulate his bad intent.

I hate "leaving people behind" who are just socially retarded and it is hard for me to let go. It's a weakness but it's not a mental illness; I've gained the ability to resist attract-and-abuse creeps. Some people exist in a permanent stasis where they can't conceive of their friends evolving and won't evolve the relationship with them. These are children and don't love you much like a housecat.

In this case there is no recovery; we are locked across whatever that gulf is in Pokesan's head that draws his hatred to Nexii and even holds it there after it's called to attention. How my behavior vindicates that behavior I know not. Seems like sharks in the water don't like someone who sours all their little social atrocities and attempts to impart a sense of ostracism to our more thoughtful, creative members. Myself, am proud to have the taste and character to maintain friendship with one of the only decent people on here, who developed a forum career under heavy fire showing great courage to express herself.

If you can't believe that I'm saying that in all seriousness, you are too jaded for me. Not sure why it's so hard to believe a sensitive person could put on a hard outer shell before transition. Pretty sure it's all jelly and jam.

Anyway Nexii, I can't let you be sure bait for me so I'm going into full mute mode on the Nazis here

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 12:14 AM
Why do I get the feels that Pulgarassi is Wonk?

imperiouskitten
07-28-2021, 12:14 AM
Why do I get the feels that Pulgarassi is Wonk?

yes dingus, do u even read this board? :eek: how am I supposed to teach anything with no object permanence!

imperiouskitten
07-28-2021, 12:26 AM
my legs are definitely up tho. Me & hubby are making up for lost 20s, sexually speaking. He is so ruthless when needed! It would scare the pearls off our pulgasari. actual kindest human being I ever met btw you stupid moron and probably gained me 20 yrs of lifespan to join with him. U probly think he's a rapist :D girls ADORE him and he is the world's trustworthiest male

I have a feeling Gwaihir can lay a pipe or two in a similar genre to be honest :D i found my dox folder recently in a data move and noticed his wife looks really very happy in pic. Why we gotta focus on the downers br0s

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 12:29 AM
yes dingus, do u even read this board? :eek: how am I supposed to teach anything with no object permanence!

I never claimed to be a cat.

imperiouskitten
07-28-2021, 12:32 AM
I never claimed to be a cat.

good. always lieked wolf for a mans spirit aminal.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 12:34 AM
Cats are just horrible pets for the most part. The only reason why they don't kill us in our sleep is because we're much bigger than them. Abominations of Egypt; Moses didn't care for them much either.

Mead
07-28-2021, 12:34 AM
I dunno
It seems to be legal to knowingly transmit HIV to another person without telling them, so *shrugs*

https://www.wesh.com/article/central-florida-hiv-sentenced-not-telling-sexual-partners/37107940

?

Jimjam
07-28-2021, 02:17 AM
But what if one person's idea,or view, of social responsibility does not align with another's? Do you simply override their will for the 'greater good'? And if so, can we really argue that forcing someone to do something against their will is the socially responsible action to take?

If it comes to it, the courts can decide. Minutiae needn’t be legislated.

Was an argument of do no harm, not ‘for the greater good’.

Yes, but that isn’t related to what I posted. I stated people are liable for the harm they cause, not that they can’t go around harming for people. My argument was more punitive than preventative rhetoric, which I appreciate is out of character.

Jimjam
07-28-2021, 02:47 AM
“Because people disagree on what social responsibility means: I should be able to harm others with impunity”

Pulgasari
07-28-2021, 08:43 AM
unmuted the genius to observe he is gaslighting Nexii. no, we don't dogpile people who stand out under my sense of morality nor get downright mean with sweethearts. It IS okay to poke fun of course!

People who are on here to earnestly try to drive others away, like pokesan admitted yesterday are really pathetic imo. It is clear now though; he hates me and believes I deserve mistreatment.

Cecily i'm not trying to summon you, I do think you are a relevant individual in the roster here tho so I name check. I'll try to stop, i've said my piece many times now. Only point was to get pokesan to finally articulate his bad intent.

I hate "leaving people behind" who are just socially retarded and it is hard for me to let go. It's a weakness but it's not a mental illness; I've gained the ability to resist attract-and-abuse creeps. Some people exist in a permanent stasis where they can't conceive of their friends evolving and won't evolve the relationship with them. These are children and don't love you much like a housecat.

In this case there is no recovery; we are locked across whatever that gulf is in Pokesan's head that draws his hatred to Nexii and even holds it there after it's called to attention. How my behavior vindicates that behavior I know not. Seems like sharks in the water don't like someone who sours all their little social atrocities and attempts to impart a sense of ostracism to our more thoughtful, creative members. Myself, am proud to have the taste and character to maintain friendship with one of the only decent people on here, who developed a forum career under heavy fire showing great courage to express herself.

If you can't believe that I'm saying that in all seriousness, you are too jaded for me. Not sure why it's so hard to believe a sensitive person could put on a hard outer shell before transition. Pretty sure it's all jelly and jam.

Anyway Nexii, I can't let you be sure bait for me so I'm going into full mute mode on the Nazis here

meow

starkind
07-28-2021, 08:48 AM
People talk about individual responsibility - they should look after them self - but it also means you are accountable for the consequences of your actions.

So when people argue against pro social behaviour of being a matter of individual responsibility choice they are arguing they are liable for their negligence in social responsibility.
Aren't we negligent if we allow others to abuse people and promote a government that doesn't allow self defense? And promote a society that creates people incapable of defending themselves or others? Or where people are rewarded for turning a blind eye to evil greater more powerful than them?
Personal responsibility means if you mouth off to a cop or make any snap movements you deserve to die, but if you dont wear a mask and give the cop covid it was your freedom.

Speaking of



who's right in that example?

Anyway the problem is that the cop gets to decide who's wrong in that example. Not the neighbors.

Nexii
07-28-2021, 11:06 AM
good. always lieked wolf for a mans spirit aminal.

Wolf, fox, dog, dragon are way more popular spirit animals than cat for guys. Cat is probably like fifth and usually big cat species

Girls are more into cats, foxes, and rabbits. Though that might be my personal bias

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 11:15 AM
Utilitarianism is a stupid philosophy. Fuck the greater good. If you don't want to die from Covid then don't be fat. Simple as. Why should I give a fuck about your health when you don't give a fuck about your own health?

Pulgasari
07-28-2021, 11:42 AM
Utilitarianism is a stupid philosophy. Fuck the greater good. If you don't want to die from Covid then don't be fat. Simple as. Why should I give a fuck about your health when you don't give a fuck about your own health?

https://i.imgur.com/Zb74XaW.png

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 11:56 AM
Stupid thought exercise. Lone man shouldn't be in the fucking road. No reason to swerve and regulations would ensure a one lane road isn't navigable by two cars running opposing directions simultaneously somehow devoid of the ability to brake, or see past a clipping plane of 50ft. You gotta make that road super foggy with 10% visibility while driving at 55mph for it to have applicability to reality, and then, why would the vehicles be going that fast with such shitty visibility and clipping planes? The design of the program navigating, would be at fault in that example, and the stupid programmers that let the car drive faster than it can "see."

The only way in which this scenario could be applied if in some outlandishly contrived situation that goes against the constraints of practicality.

Not coincidentally, this is why the scenario is depicted in cartoon format; it's a cartoonish scenario

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 12:06 PM
15311

Pulgasari
07-28-2021, 12:21 PM
The only way in which this scenario could be applied if in some outlandishly contrived situation that goes against the constraints of practicality.


Lol

Jimjam
07-28-2021, 12:24 PM
Utilitarianism is a stupid philosophy. Fuck the greater good. If you don't want to die from Covid then don't be fat. Simple as. Why should I give a fuck about your health when you don't give a fuck about your own health?

I love the lens of trolley problem and you have solved them all.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 12:26 PM
Quick question, is the thug in the ghetto that will rob and shoot you because your car looks a little too nice a utilitarian, or deontological? Mind you, there's nothing objectively wrong about killing you over looking at him funny. It's just relative, since evil is a matter of perspective.

If we outlaw guns, and he physically bests you with a knife or a rock, does that make it right?

Utilitarianism is not a philosophy, philosophies have a far more universalist application. Utilitarianism is a strawman philosophy adopted by pussies unwilling to stand for anything. Pussies who are setting themselves up to be fucked by stronger men

blindedsoul
07-28-2021, 12:36 PM
Just a thought process here, do you think that we are living real life call of duty? O.o

You have to realize without p o l ice or govt to protect your property people can just wait outside your door at a blind spot kill you and take it... or when you sleep...

Are you planning on setting up shifts with people to guard your hoard of food? seems like a lot to live out some anti govt conspiracy fantasy.

What would be your thought process here? There are 4 guns on average for every American so don't think you got a big heads up on everyone if armed.

How would your anarchist state work? I would prefer not to have to mad max it on a whim lol

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 12:42 PM
Just a thought process here, do you think that we are living real life call of duty? O.o

You have to realize without p o l ice or govt to protect your property people can just wait outside your door at a blind spot kill you and take it... or when you sleep...

Are you planning on setting up shifts with people to guard your hoard of food? seems like a lot to live out some anti govt conspiracy fantasy.

What would be your thought process here? There are 4 guns on average for every American so don't think you got a big heads up on everyone if armed.

How would your anarchist state work? I would prefer not to have to mad max it on a whim lol

Careful. You're treading dangerously close to confirming people are not inherently good. You can kicked out of your leftist utopia for thinking something like that

Horza
07-28-2021, 12:45 PM
"thugs in the ghetto"

Jibartik
07-28-2021, 12:46 PM
do you think that we are living real life call of duty?

Are you planning on setting up shifts with people to guard your hoard of food? seems like a lot to live out some anti govt conspiracy fantasy.



We are playing real life everquest. Join a guild.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 12:49 PM
And just so you realize, we already have a government. Yet, Chicago still has record breaking murder stats year over year. Chicago has some of the strictest firearms law in the entire country. Why is not working? Why are blacks still acting like savages who assign no intrinsic value to others' lives? Utilitarianism assumes the same stupid concepts as leftism; that people are inherently good. The only caveat is that leftism adds, unless you disagree with me, then you're not human to that statement.

I make no such claims.
Most people are pieces of shit, and without Christ we are all damned because of that truth.

Jibartik
07-28-2021, 12:51 PM
Chicago is a lot like red99

Horza
07-28-2021, 01:15 PM
Why are blacks still acting like savages who assign no intrinsic value to others' lives?

This is at least more honest than just referring to them as thugs, though still almost comically racist.

blindedsoul
07-28-2021, 01:20 PM
Careful. You're treading dangerously close to confirming people are not inherently good. You can kicked out of your leftist utopia for thinking something like that

Mate I know that people are not inherently good without a govt/ Police force the corporations will kill their employee's for profit left unregulated, the people would kill each other for short term gains. There is historical representation of this at every stage of humanity.

There would be no safe place in the US if we implimented anything like this just wondering how he can explain the usual anti govt anarchist stuff.... I grew out of it the anarchist idealism when I was 14 after some practical research and realizing I dont want to live in constant additional fear of death just for going outside lol

Ooloo
07-28-2021, 01:23 PM
He phrased it in such a way that sounded pretty racist, but I think a charitable interpretation of what he was saying is "why is violent crime over represented in black communities, even when controlling for economic status?".

I think there is far too much violent crime in poor black communities. I want black kids to grow up prosperous and have a good future and thrive. The cultural elements that actively discourage academic achievement (it's called "acting white") are a huge problem. Many current black academics and commentators agree with this. If this makes me a racist, then all I can say is no it doesn't. Wanting black kids to do well is kind of the opposite of racist. Lefties need to grapple with this issue and address it honestly, instead of yelling and screaming racism when it's completely inapplicable.

Far left media like msnbc constantly hammering home the point that young black men are screwed and everything is stacked against them and they will never achieve anything because of how terrible and racist our society is sure doesn't help, especially when it's not true. We currently live in the least racist society and least racist time in all of human history, and disputing that betrays a massive ignorance of history and the rest of the world.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 01:32 PM
Mate I know that people are not inherently good without a govt/ Police force the corporations will kill their employee's for profit left unregulated, the people would kill each other for short term gains. There is historical representation of this at every stage of humanity.

There would be no safe place in the US if we implimented anything like this just wondering how he can explain the usual anti govt anarchist stuff.... I grew out of it the anarchist idealism when I was 14 after some practical research and realizing I dont want to live in constant additional fear of death just for going outside lol

Then if you conceed that people are not inherently good, Utilitarianism has no place claiming itself a "philosophy". You either stand for something or you don't.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 01:35 PM
He phrased it in such a way that sounded pretty racist, but I think a charitable interpretation of what he was saying is "why is violent crime over represented in black communities, even when controlling for economic status?".

I think there is far too much violent crime in poor black communities. I want black kids to grow up prosperous and have a good future and thrive. The cultural elements that actively discourage academic achievement (it's called "acting white") are a huge problem. Many current black academics and commentators agree with this. If this makes me a racist, then all I can say is no it doesn't. Wanting black kids to do well is kind of the opposite of racist. Lefties need to grapple with this issue and address it honestly, instead of yelling and screaming racism when it's completely inapplicable.

Far left media like msnbc constantly hammering home the point that young black men are screwed and everything is stacked against them and they will never achieve anything because of how terrible and racist our society is sure doesn't help, especially when it's not true. We currently live in the least racist society and least racist time in all of human history, and disputing that betrays a massive ignorance of history and the rest of the world.
When I teach you how political and social institutions perpetuate inequality I also teach you HOW TO perpetuate inequality.

Likewise, when you teach black kids that they are disadvantaged, and everything is stacked against them....they end up believing that about themselves.

Jimjam
07-28-2021, 01:39 PM
We went from “I’m Individually Responsible” to “but but the dark skinned gentlemen in Chicago aren’t all so gentle”.

If you want to make an impact with the stat compare Chicago to an average 1st world city instead of American.

loramin
07-28-2021, 01:44 PM
When I teach you how political and social institutions perpetuate inequality I also teach you HOW TO perpetuate inequality.

Likewise, when you teach black kids that they are disadvantaged, and everything is stacked against them....they end up believing that about themselves.

You know, you're probably right: something like 0.00001% of the reason why minorities are less well off than non-minorities is because they are taught to think they should be disadvantaged.

But do you know what the other 99.9999% is? Systemic disadvantage.

Jibartik
07-28-2021, 01:46 PM
You know, you're probably right: something like 0.00001% of the reason why minorities are less well off than non-minorities is because they are taught to think they should be disadvantaged.

But do you know what the other 99.9999% is? Systemic disadvantage.

Think about this:

- We think that children need to literally see a person of color heroic lead for them to be able to imagine that they too could become a heroic lead.

- Yet we dont think that every leader everywhere saying that the system is stacked against you and you should fear every person of power and nobody will give you any shot at anything... has no effect on children wanting to make something of themselves.

Just think about that.

blindedsoul
07-28-2021, 01:47 PM
@ Gwaihir
Saying corporations will kill people for profit without govt regulations is philosophically valid and falls under the nature of knowledge reality and existence

Corporations are groups of people by in extension also validates the prior

Dude you just talked yourself into a circle thinking you made a profound point while trying to moot mine. Either disprove me or concur but stop with the petty antics that are against the word definitions that we are supposed to be using/ agreed on mutually.

Philosophy standard def: the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 01:51 PM
Mate I know that people are not inherently good without a govt/ Police force the corporations will kill their employee's for profit left unregulated, . They already do, hello Pfizer and Moderna
[/Quote] the people would kill each other for short term gains. [/Quote]
They already do. Sometimes they kill each other for what can only be quantifiably defined as "nothing"
There is historical representation of this at every stage of humanity.

There would be no safe place in the US if we implimented anything like this just wondering how he can explain the usual anti govt anarchist stuff.... I grew out of it the anarchist idealism when I was 14 after some practical research and realizing I dont want to live in constant additional fear of death just for going outside lol[/QUOTE]

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 01:54 PM
You know, you're probably right: something like 0.00001% of the reason why minorities are less well off than non-minorities is because they are taught to think they should be disadvantaged.

But do you know what the other 99.9999% is? Systemic disadvantage.
Systemic racism my ass. That shit was addressed decades ago. There is active systemic racism in place right now against whites, in an attempt to make the stagnation of the "other" less pronounced and it still doesn't work to create the same situation among whites who simply overcome, despite the restraints.

It's never been easier to succeed in the US as a black man. One only simply has to choose to commit to the path while trillions of philanthropic dollars fill your sails.

Pulgasari
07-28-2021, 02:02 PM
We went from “I’m Individually Responsible” to “but but the dark skinned gentlemen in Chicago aren’t all so gentle”.

If you want to make an impact with the stat compare Chicago to an average 1st world city instead of American.

There's no comparison to be made between the free world and European slave states.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 02:10 PM
He doesn't understand that if the "greater good" mattered, the demograph responsible for the lion's share of the violent crime epidemic, and the highest fiscal burden would be removed...for the greater good, of course. It's a relevant thread within the chord

blindedsoul
07-28-2021, 02:11 PM
. They already do, hello Pfizer and Moderna
the people would kill each other for short term gains. [/Quote]
They already do. Sometimes they kill each other for what can only be quantifiably defined as "nothing"
There is historical representation of this at every stage of humanity.

There would be no safe place in the US if we implimented anything like this just wondering how he can explain the usual anti govt anarchist stuff.... I grew out of it the anarchist idealism when I was 14 after some practical research and realizing I dont want to live in constant additional fear of death just for going outside lol[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Hold up so you ignored the fact that corporations will kill people for profits and other people will do the same by extension and instead linked it to some moronic anti vax crap?

Mate if you want to Darwin yourself by not taking the vaccines that's your prerogative, just please don't waste everyone's else's money and sign the DNR we shouldn't have to spend 100,000+ dollars of wasted money to tube your ass/ rig you up to breathing machines from the science you don't trust in the first place.

lmfao @ this

https://i.imgur.com/kYAOqD6.png

loramin
07-28-2021, 02:11 PM
Systemic racism my ass. That shit was addressed decades ago. There is active systemic racism in place right now against whites, in an attempt to make the stagnation of the "other" less pronounced and it still doesn't work to create the same situation among whites who simply overcome, despite the restraints.

It's never been easier to succeed in the US as a black man. One only simply has to choose to commit to the path while trillions of philanthropic dollars fill your sails.

It's fun to live in make-up land.

Horza
07-28-2021, 02:20 PM
He doesn't understand that if the "greater good" mattered, the demograph responsible for the lion's share of the violent crime epidemic, and the highest fiscal burden would be removed...for the greater good, of course.

Just some casual, open calls for ethnic cleansing, I give you Project 1999.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 03:33 PM
]

No. You hold up
How come we can't sue moderna or Pfizer if their vaccines kill or maim our family members?

It's a very pertinent application

Jibartik
07-28-2021, 03:34 PM
]

No. You hold up
How come we can't sue moderna or Pfizer if their vaccines kill or maim our family members?

It's a very pertinent application

if we need to sue phizer you can rest assured in america 2 we will be hanging the board from walls instead.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 03:35 PM
Just some casual, open calls for ethnic cleansing, I give you Project 1999.

They were implied sarcastically, as an extension of a philosophy I don't adopt, yet you do. You cantbea utilitarian without contradiction unless you support removing those who inhibit the greater good

Jibartik
07-28-2021, 03:38 PM
They were implied sarcastically, as an extension of a philosophy I don't adopt, yet you do. You cantbea utilitarian without contradiction unless you support removing those who inhibit the greater good

i get it they think blazing saddles is a informational drama lol that's where all this is coming from

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 03:39 PM
Mate if you want to Darwin yourself by not taking the vaccines that's your prerogative, just please don't waste everyone's else's money and sign the DNR we shouldn't have to spend 100,000+ dollars of wasted money to tube your ass/ rig you up to breathing machines from the science you don't trust in the first place.


Deal

Now shut the fuck up about the greater good and mandatory vaccination. I haven't been to a doctor since Obama made it "affordable", yet my +300% bloated premiums have paid for the healthcare utilized by 3 or 4 fat ass do nothings

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 03:50 PM
Being fat is bad for everyone's health. The repression it places on your compromised immune system makes you an incubator for pestilence, and generates the consensus appearance that it's ok to be fat, which then gives people who would-be avoidant a false sense of security in it being ok to be fat.

Heart disease is the number one killer. Far more than Covid.

Furthermore being a fat ass contaminates the gene pool with increased propensity for fatness in future generations due to heritable epigenetics.

Anyhow, when are you gonna sign the DNR for the congestive heart failure, and hypoglycemic shock intrinsic to your wanton acceptance of a gluttonous lifestyle?

Horza
07-28-2021, 04:01 PM
i get it they think blazing saddles is a informational drama lol that's where all this is coming from

The movie probably would have been interpreted very differently had Mel Brooks been an open white supremacist.

Mblake1981
07-28-2021, 04:01 PM
It's fun to live in make-up land.

You were created in a lab by an evil scientist 6,000 years ago.

Ooloo
07-28-2021, 04:14 PM
You know, you're probably right: something like 0.00001% of the reason why minorities are less well off than non-minorities is because they are taught to think they should be disadvantaged.

But do you know what the other 99.9999% is? Systemic disadvantage.

Haha there's that great buzzword that just answers everything: Systemic. Yes.

Black youth are taught that they can't bare personal responsibility for their lot in life. This is an insanely destructive idea to put into the mind of an impressionable young person. It's also extremely insulting and patronizing to the multitude of black people who have come from extreme poverty and have become extremely successful.

Young black males are taught by their peers that doing good in school is a "white" thing. This type of insane ideology which people are calling critical race theory is now infiltrating nearly every conceivable institution. To not recognize the threat this poses to the future prosperity of POC's is suicidally ignorant.

People just like to shit out the term "systemic" or "institutional" in place of an actual argument. You said the magic buzzword so beep boop turn brain off.

Jibartik
07-28-2021, 04:17 PM
The movie probably would have been interpreted very differently had Mel Brooks been an open white supremacist.

considering he is a white boomer I think we both know that he is. ;)

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 04:28 PM
https://youtu.be/Jm3_gwm3yck

Good ole Mel. I was waiting for a better opportunity to drop this revelation, but since you all brought him up....

Btw the "Boomer" part is irrelevant. Is he white? Then he's racist, by nu-definitions

=IF("white", "Racist", "Saint")

Jibartik
07-28-2021, 04:37 PM
https://youtu.be/Jm3_gwm3yck

oof i wish this was real

edit: this is def my new fave channel

LFRGjG3xOEY

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 04:47 PM
So many lulz

Pulgasari
07-28-2021, 05:21 PM
Libs get dunked on when we let Byue represent us. :)

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 05:49 PM
Haha there's that great buzzword that just answers everything: Systemic. Yes.

Black youth are taught that they can't bare personal responsibility for their lot in life. This is an insanely destructive idea to put into the mind of an impressionable young person. It's also extremely insulting and patronizing to the multitude of black people who have come from extreme poverty and have become extremely successful.

Young black males are taught by their peers that doing good in school is a "white" thing. This type of insane ideology which people are calling critical race theory is now infiltrating nearly every conceivable institution. To not recognize the threat this poses to the future prosperity of POC's is
Technically, they are correct. It is "systemic", and your second paragraph describes exactly how the system perpetuates it.

loramin
07-28-2021, 06:18 PM
Haha there's that great buzzword that just answers everything: Systemic. Yes.

Black youth are taught that they can't bare personal responsibility for their lot in life. This is an insanely destructive idea to put into the mind of an impressionable young person. It's also extremely insulting and patronizing to the multitude of black people who have come from extreme poverty and have become extremely successful.

Young black males are taught by their peers that doing good in school is a "white" thing. This type of insane ideology which people are calling critical race theory is now infiltrating nearly every conceivable institution. To not recognize the threat this poses to the future prosperity of POC's is suicidally ignorant.

People just like to shit out the term "systemic" or "institutional" in place of an actual argument. You said the magic buzzword so beep boop turn brain off.

I mean, maybe the people you hang out with. But most people ... the kind that can use the English language properly ... use "systemic" to mean "it's built-into the system". And yes: racism is built-in to our American system, if you live in reality and not in fantasy-land. Here's how you can tell the difference between the two: evidence.

I can show you evidence that cops (as a group) treat minorities differently. I can show you evidence that schools treat minorities differently. I can show you evidence that financial institutions treat minorities differently. In other words, there is a whole lot of evidence that minorities have systemic problems in our society.

... whereas anyone who wants to live in fantasy land, and pretend that everyone in America is treated equally ... has no evidence to back that position up.

Horza
07-28-2021, 06:20 PM
Btw the "Boomer" part is irrelevant. Is he white? Then he's racist, by nu-definitions

=IF("white", "Racist", "Saint")

Mel Brooks was Silent Generation, you doofuses.

Jibartik
07-28-2021, 06:20 PM
A lot of messed up stuff is built into the system though and i think if you looked from far enough away all the problems we have fall under the same umbrella: people suck.

Jibartik
07-28-2021, 06:23 PM
Mel Brooks was Silent Generation, you doofuses.

oh yea even better :rolleyes: The farther back you go the less white supremist things get.

Horza
07-28-2021, 06:46 PM
oh yea even better :rolleyes: The farther back you go the less white supremist things get.

The more Jewish you get the less white supremacist things get (he also fought in World War Two)? :confused:

Jibartik
07-28-2021, 06:50 PM
ok Ill give you a pass here.

Horza
07-28-2021, 07:11 PM
ok Ill give you a pass here.

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Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 07:27 PM
I mean, maybe the people you hang out with. But most people ... the kind that can use the English language properly ... use "systemic" to mean "it's built-into the system". And yes: racism is built-in to our American system, if you live in reality and not in fantasy-land. Here's how you can tell the difference between the two: evidence.

I can show you evidence that cops (as a group) treat minorities differently. I can show you evidence that schools treat minorities differently. I can show you evidence that financial institutions treat minorities differently. In other words, there is a whole lot of evidence that minorities have systemic problems in our society.

... whereas anyone who wants to live in fantasy land, and pretend that everyone in America is treated equally ... has no evidence to back that position up.
Yes. It's built-in to-the-system by tropes that are perpetuated by trumpeting "how much shittier your life would be if you were black"

It says, "oh...you were poor? Could you imagine how much shittier your life would be if you were poor AND black?!"

You ever consider that they treat them differently because they act differently? I grew up in a shitty gang infested neighborhood with a majority of minorities.

Pretty big difference between the general vibe of hanging out in my neighborhood, and going across the train tracks to the "white" neighborhoods. The white neighborhoods were alot more "square" and the criminally minded violents were a lot less prevalent, almost non-existent on the "white" side of town

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 07:39 PM
You know how many times I've seen a white kid that stumbled across ruffians from my neighborhood get physically assaulted and strong-arm robbed by the crips in my neighborhood, for their pocket change?

We're talking about committing multiple felonies for 10 bucks or so, or maybe your bike.

Was it "all" black kids in the neighborhood? No, but it was all black kids that embrace 90s black culture, which was almost all of them and they would do it in groups of 6 to 8 of them at a time.

Most of the "insane Crip gang" from south side San Jose's crime zone block went to CYA for gang raping one of the girls in our neighborhood. Just the "crime zone" chapter, the "seven trees" chapter of their gang wasn't present for that event, but most of them went to Juvie/prison for committing violent felonies in their hood, too.

Horza
07-28-2021, 07:44 PM
Please tell us more about your racial theories, Teppler.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 07:53 PM
Please tell us more about your racial theories, Teppler.

Please tell us more about yours, which are purely theoretical, and impossible to prove with actual observation.

You ever hear of Gorilla pimpin?

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 08:08 PM
Allow me to elucidate.

Within most of the urban shit hole sprawls there exists a subsect of the gang culture where suppose you're having difficulty getting a woman to step into the role of prostitute you have deigned for her.....

There is a subsect of pimping associates who you can sell her to, who will kidnap, and get her strung out on drugs while routinely raping her until she breaks,and no longer has qualms with being sold as a prostitute. The people who do this are called "Gorilla pimps" and they are almost exclusively the more, what's the word I'm looking for, morally relativistic of the black gangsters.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 08:12 PM
https://youtu.be/IiKv6PS0jNY

Here's a song aggrandizing the act of gorilla pimping as a noble calling, by the great troubadour, Dr Dre

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 08:17 PM
https://www.mcceht.org/the-traffickers

HalflingSpergand
07-28-2021, 08:17 PM
But snoop dogg was a pimp and he was so cool n nice

unsunghero
07-28-2021, 08:20 PM
Haha there's that great buzzword that just answers everything: Systemic. Yes.

Black youth are taught that they can't bare personal responsibility for their lot in life. This is an insanely destructive idea to put into the mind of an impressionable young person. It's also extremely insulting and patronizing to the multitude of black people who have come from extreme poverty and have become extremely successful.

Young black males are taught by their peers that doing good in school is a "white" thing. This type of insane ideology which people are calling critical race theory is now infiltrating nearly every conceivable institution. To not recognize the threat this poses to the future prosperity of POC's is suicidally ignorant.

People just like to shit out the term "systemic" or "institutional" in place of an actual argument. You said the magic buzzword so beep boop turn brain off.

Kids without dads, aka without a positive male role model

If you grew up without a dad because your dad is still in prison due to draconic crack cocaine sentencing laws of the 1980’s and 1990’s then you are a victim of systemic racism. Category A

If you grew up without a dad because your mom hooked up with someone she wasn’t even in a relationship with for the purpose of having another baby to get more TANF (temporary assistance for needy families aka welfare) benefits, then you are not a victim of systemic racism. Category B

Now how many kids without dads are in Category A versus Category B

Gatordash
07-28-2021, 08:24 PM
I had a client once who was a pimp. Its really creepy how they control these women's lives when you see it in real life. I saw them quite a few times and was only able to separate them in my office once to get a chance to ask her if she is okay/feels safe.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 08:37 PM
I had a client once who was a pimp. Its really creepy how they control these women's lives when you see it in real life. I saw them quite a few times and was only able to separate them in my office once to get a chance to ask her if she is okay/feels safe.

You think? I've seen shit like this go down numerous times, and when you run into that girl again after the transformation it's like they're not even there anymore. They only exist to get high so they can check back out after that.


But we're basically just the same, with minor inconsequential aesthetic differences, Amorite? Like...some of us have blue hair, and others green hair...but we have the same "Ness"

imperiouskitten
07-28-2021, 08:38 PM
But snoop dogg was a pimp and he was so cool n nice

Horza
07-28-2021, 08:48 PM
Nobody tell Teppler that white pimps also exist.

Gatordash
07-28-2021, 08:53 PM
You think? I've seen shit like this go down numerous times, and when you run into that girl again after the transformation it's like they're not even there anymore. They only exist to get high so they can check back out after that.


That was definitely true in this case. Although I'd say it was a drugs and fear combo.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 08:56 PM
Nobody tell Teppler that white pimps also exist.

Like Jeffrey EpSTEIN?

Can't say I've met any white Gorilla Pimps. I mean, I'm sure they exist, but I've only ever chanced across black ones.

unsunghero
07-28-2021, 08:58 PM
Nobody tell Teppler that white pimps also exist.

Or Hispanic. We had a 17yr old girl attending a life skills group who one day dropped off the map. The last she was ever seen was meeting two Hispanic friends of hers at her house, then she was gone, but had left her cellphone and purse in her room

Months later, she was found in Florida by the FBI during a human trafficking raid. She had been branded with a tattoo on the back of her neck, addicted to hard drugs, and prostituted. Straight out of the movie Taken, but in real life. This was years ago now tho at this point

Horza
07-28-2021, 09:03 PM
Like Jeffrey EpSTEIN?

Can't say I've met any white Gorilla Pimps. I mean, I'm sure they exist, but I've only ever chanced across black ones.

I assume Stein is capitalized because you're an antisemitic conspiracy theorist.

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 09:08 PM
Or Hispanic. We had a 17yr old girl attending a life skills group who one day dropped off the map. The last she was ever seen was meeting two Hispanic friends of hers at her house, then she was gone, but had left her cellphone and purse in her room

Months later, she was found in Florida by the FBI during a human trafficking raid. She had been branded with a tattoo on the back of her neck, addicted to hard drugs, and prostituted. Straight out of the movie Taken, but in real life. This was years ago now tho at this point

Yeah, the fucked up part is it almost always starts out as getting caught up with the "wrong" kinds of "friends" who are "mostly good people" that just so happen to sell them into the hands of a gorilla pimpin acquaintance their "friends" know, but don't really have any judgements against, because morality is "relative" and the "utilitarian" argument of the drugs/money they're trading the women for are "worth it" for their "greater good".

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 09:09 PM
I assume Stein is capitalized because you're an antisemitic conspiracy theorist.

No it's capitalized because he was a child sex trafficking kike. Defend the child trafficer, faggot

Gatordash
07-28-2021, 09:13 PM
You're like an 11-year old on voice chat playing playing Call of Duty

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 09:15 PM
How dare you call out the Jew selling underage sex slaves to our government officials who are also disproportionately Jews. Oy vey!

Horza
07-28-2021, 09:15 PM
No it's capitalized because he was a child sex trafficking kike. Defend the child trafficer, faggot

:confused:

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 09:24 PM
Are you aware that in prison, the black gangs are the ONLY ethnicity that will allow a convicted pedophile to roll in their "car".

They don't have a problem with extending a convicted pedophile protection for joining their crews.

In any other ethnicity, if you are a convicted pedophile, you have to roll yourself up in protective custody or you will be regularly beaten until one of your own just feels like not stopping until you're dead one day, which generally doesn't take very many days to happen.

Matter of fact, even when you are I PC, you're likely to have the guards betray you your own who will kill you.

Ravager
07-28-2021, 09:55 PM
Yay it's Everquest!

Gwaihir
07-28-2021, 09:58 PM
So anyways. I'm just wondering what kind of philosophy a child sex trafficers or gorilla pimp embraces. My gut instincts tell me they're avid deontologists with unshakable convictions towards the existence of objective morality; totally not moral relativist utilitarians

After all....they're "just like us"

Gatordash
07-28-2021, 10:09 PM
So anyways. I'm just wondering what kind of philosophy a child sex trafficers or gorilla pimp embraces. My gut instincts tell me they're avid deontologists with unshakable convictions towards the existence of objective morality; totally not moral relativist utilitarians

After all....they're "just like us"

I think you'd know better than anyone that some of us are a little more special than others.

loramin
07-28-2021, 11:03 PM
Yes. It's built-in to-the-system by tropes that are perpetuated by trumpeting "how much shittier your life would be if you were black"

It says, "oh...you were poor? Could you imagine how much shittier your life would be if you were poor AND black?!"

You ever consider that they treat them differently because they act differently? I grew up in a shitty gang infested neighborhood with a majority of minorities.

Pretty big difference between the general vibe of hanging out in my neighborhood, and going across the train tracks to the "white" neighborhoods. The white neighborhoods were alot more "square" and the criminally minded violents were a lot less prevalent, almost non-existent on the "white" side of town

It sounds like you're saying the more affluent (rich) neighborhoods had low crime, and the poor neighborhoods had more. Makes sense to me.

It also sounds like you're saying that minorities tended to live disproportionately in the poor neighborhoods, whereas the affluent areas were disproportionately white. Again, makes sense!

In fact historically, white people have deliberately designed their cities to create exactly those conditions. Only whites could purchase property in certain parts (the "good" parts), so minorities could only own homes in the worse neighborhoods. In other words, many cities literally have racism built into the geography itself: it doesn't get more systemic than that :)

And look, I'm not even disagreeing with what you're saying about society's messages, because that shit does matter too. But again, it's a drop in the bucket against the actual, systemic racism that does exist in our society. Stuff that goes back generations (eg. when the color of your skin could legally control where you could buy a home) ... but still screws over minorities even today.

Pulgasari
07-28-2021, 11:07 PM
It sounds like you're saying the more affluent (rich) neighborhoods had low crime, and the poor neighborhoods had more. Makes sense to me.

It also sounds like you're saying that minorities tended to live disproportionately in the poor neighborhoods, whereas the affluent areas were disproportionately white. Again, makes sense!

In fact historically, white people have deliberately designed their cities to create exactly those conditions. Only whites could purchase property in certain parts (the "good" parts), so minorities could only own homes in the worse neighborhoods. In other words, many cities literally have racism built into the geography itself: it doesn't get more systemic than that :)

And look, I'm not even disagreeing with what you're saying about society's messages, because that shit does matter too. But again, it's a drop in the bucket against the actual, systemic racism that does exist in our society. Stuff that goes back generations (eg. when the color of your skin could legally control where you could buy a home) ... but still screws over minorities even today.

Racism is when you can't bid 60k over asking price.

Horza
07-28-2021, 11:14 PM
Racism is when you can't bid 60k over asking price.

You're almost there.

loramin
07-28-2021, 11:14 PM
Racism is when you can't bid 60k over asking price.

But that's what I'm saying, money wasn't the issue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residential_segregation_in_the_United_States

The first ordinance establishing segregated neighborhoods was passed in Baltimore in 1910. Overt ordinances were struck down in Buchanan v. Warley, 245 U.S. 60 (1917) but the practice continued and became deeply ingrained in urban culture, resulting in limited housing for an expanding population and development of the African-American ghetto with poor overcrowded housing and numerous social ills.[6] In large part, residential discrimination was driven by school segregation which was legal until Brown v. Board of Education was decided in 1954 but has persisted due to continuing segregated residential patterns in most American cities to the present.[7]

Pulgasari
07-28-2021, 11:22 PM
But that's what I'm saying, money wasn't the issue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residential_segregation_in_the_United_States

So the segregation laws were struck down in 1954?

Gwaihir
07-29-2021, 12:05 AM
It sounds like you're saying the more affluent (rich) neighborhoods had low crime, and the poor neighborhoods had more. Makes sense to me.

It also sounds like you're saying that minorities tended to live disproportionately in the poor neighborhoods, whereas the affluent areas were disproportionately white. Again, makes sense!

In fact historically, white people have deliberately designed their cities to create exactly those conditions. Only whites could purchase property in certain parts (the "good" parts), so minorities could only own homes in the worse neighborhoods. In other words, many cities literally have racism built into the geography itself: it doesn't get more systemic than that :)

And look, I'm not even disagreeing with what you're saying about society's messages, because that shit does matter too. But again, it's a drop in the bucket against the actual, systemic racism that does exist in our society. Stuff that goes back generations (eg. when the color of your skin could legally control where you could buy a home) ... but still screws over minorities even today.

No I'm talking about right now; the current state of the US. Right now, intergenerational poverty exists because of stupid choices. That is to say, underclass culture, and especially "black culture", are anti-thetical to success in this country. The absolute best way to escape intergenerational poverty as a black person, is to reject black culture in it's entirety and embrace an individualist mindset that forsakes collectivism, especially collectivist's embrace of excuse-making and victimhood narratives.

The black man (and woman) has never had more opportunity than they do right now, and, in fact has more opportunity than any other racial demograph in the US. Corporations throughout the US are falling all over themselves trying to secure black talent for social virtue signaling points with their conscientent-consumer fanbase, there's just, quite frankly, a complete shortfall of it ;)

unsunghero
07-29-2021, 12:09 AM
No I'm talking about right now; the current state of the US. Right now, intergenerational poverty exists because of stupid choices. That is to say, underclass culture, and especially "black culture", are anti-thetical to success in this country. The absolute best way to escape intergenerational poverty as a black person, is to reject black culture in it's entirety and embrace an individualist mindset that forsakes collectivism, especially collectivist's embrace of excuse-making and victimhood narratives.

The black man (and woman) has never had more opportunity than they do right now, and, in fact has more opportunity than any other racial demograph in the US. Corporations throughout the US are falling all over themselves trying to secure black talent for social virtue signaling points with their conscientent-consumer fanbase, there's just quite simply a complete shortfall of it ;)

This is true. Culture will fight against self-betterment every step of the way. Getting an education, even speaking articulately is seen as being an Uncle Tom in low-income black culture. And the safest and best thing to do is move away as soon as possible. Poor black areas have higher crime rates than poor white areas, and crime rates have a direct impact on home prices, which indirectly has a direct impact on school funding (paid in part from property taxes). Not to mention gang culture is pervasive and deadly due to beef so easily being continued over social media. Gang culture exists in all low-income areas, however

There are definitely historical injustices that contributed to making low income black areas how they are today, but their own culture is a rejection of self-betterment, education, and especially authority, to its own demise

unsunghero
07-29-2021, 12:16 AM
Not to mention the "snitches get stitches" rule is responsible for so much death and violence on its own. It's understandable why black culture has a mistrust of police, but this results in issues being handled via "street justice" not legal justice

So, someone assaults or kills a gang member. Their friends know exactly who did it, but rather than go to the police with that info, they will choose to employ street justice, and retaliate in kind violently. This results in another retaliation, and round and round they go, violently taking retribution for violence, rather than going to the authorities. This creates so much additional violence

Horza
07-29-2021, 12:16 AM
embrace an individualist mindset that forsakes collectivism

7BAOiGTizU4

Gwaihir
07-29-2021, 12:30 AM
Not to mention the "snitches get stitches" rule is responsible for so much death and violence on its own. It's understandable why black culture has a mistrust of police, but this results in issues being handled via "street justice" not legal justice

So, someone assaults or kills a gang member. Their friends know exactly who did it, but rather than go to the police with that info, they will choose to employ street justice, and retaliate in kind violently. This results in another retaliation, and round and round they go, violently taking retribution for violence, rather than going to the authorities. This creates so much additional violence

Yeah I was going to bring up the "snitches get stitches" mantra used to make fellow African Americans accustomed to and accepting of exposure to violent sociopathic criminality, and it's subsequent effects of perpetuating victimhood contained within their own ranks but I didn't get around to it yet.

It's almost as if they've literally attempted to reify "honor amongst thieves" when anyone of sound mind knows that's simply not conducive to a harmonius reality.

Gwaihir
07-29-2021, 12:32 AM
7BAOiGTizU4

Notice how you can't engage anything on a factual basis, and your only retort is to claim 'foul" and object with emotional temper tantrums. All pathos, no ethos, or logos. So bitch made.

unsunghero
07-29-2021, 12:56 AM
Yeah I was going to bring up the "snitches get stitches" mantra used to make fellow African Americans accustomed to and accepting of exposure to violent sociopathic criminality, and it's subsequent effects of perpetuating victimhood contained within their own ranks but I didn't get around to it yet.

It's almost as if they've literally attempted to reify "honor amongst thieves" when anyone of sound mind knows that's simply not conducive to a harmonius reality.

To some degree it exists in all low-income areas with gang culture regardless of their ethnicity. However, there is no culture that has a greater mistrust of, and therefore unwillingness to go to, the police than black culture. And I don't see that EVER changing, no matter how "reformed" police get

Jibartik
07-29-2021, 01:38 AM
what are the lengths of jail time sentences for the seal team jan 6ers so far? like 8 months? a year?

If you think about it, I bet they all are going to run for office when they get out and win lol

Jimjam
07-29-2021, 03:38 AM
To some degree it exists in all low-income areas with gang culture regardless of their ethnicity. However, there is no culture that has a greater mistrust of, and therefore unwillingness to go to, the police than black culture. And I don't see that EVER changing, no matter how "reformed" police get

Often criminal organisations provide better social support, opportunities and services than the ‘legit’ government. I don’t know whether this is the case in the above instance, but it is well documented that criminal organisations often fill the role of ‘black’ government (as in black market, not african american, - pun unintentional) especially in deprived areas ignored by formal government.

starkind
07-29-2021, 08:27 AM
honor among thieves is supposed to be sarcastic

ur only option to not burn in hell is roll paladin and join the imperial forces

Often criminal organisations provide better social support, opportunities and services than the ‘legit’ government.

if u consider better benifits having $500 more dolla a month to spend on whatever private insurance but having ur family killed if u betray ur boss and don't kill the kid of the guy trying to shut down ur org better lol

p.s. US government is a criminal org

starkind
07-29-2021, 08:33 AM
also part of the problem is the underfunded and overcrowded school.s and poorly designed infrastructure in the poorer neighboords that don't get ppl elected

when u have jerrymandering and u live in a nice neighboorhood and ur vote is worth more to a politician ur gonna get a nice new water treatment plant, capped rates on ur electric (while ur poors nextdoor die in winter but ur gear is hardedned) etc anything that requires a beucrat to distribute funds or an extra cop patrol car go to the nicer neighboorhood

but if u look at utube some of the poors (regardless of race) act like animals, so what do u do then? when they get shot it's police brutality ... but we endorse this prison complex system...


trigger warnin
bad ppl just need to die more frequently and at a much younger age bad includes irresponsible and dependent ppl who are too damaged to do the right thing and be concienscious and collectively considerate, that includes bad ppl that are going to breed and make even more bad ppl, it's the cost effective and humane way of dealing with the problem, death is brief and over quick even if u get ur head smashed in and it takes u a week to die, it's a lot more clean than living a life of drugs and disease and trash producing, trash digging

Gwaihir
07-29-2021, 05:16 PM
...even if you get your head smashed in and it takes a week to die.... Lol you're a sick bastard. I like you.

imperiouskitten
07-29-2021, 07:10 PM
whooo u are
wheeere your from
what u did
as long as we can still fantasize about shooting blaacks
*acoustic guitar backstreet boy solo*

Gwaihir
07-29-2021, 07:12 PM
whooo u are
wheeere your from
what u did
as long as we can still fantasize about shooting blaacks
*acoustic guitar backstreet boy solo*

Who said anything about blacks?

Aim higher, bro.

imperiouskitten
07-29-2021, 07:16 PM
Who said anything about blacks?

Aim higher, bro.

i've taken a vow of pacifism. I am only allowed to perforate monster egos by seducing and robbing them and sending recordings of them admitting to pedophilia to everyone they know. howver I am not allowed to flirt with blacks so that rules that out

Gwaihir
07-29-2021, 07:18 PM
i've taken a vow of pacifism. I am only allowed to perforate monster egos by seducing and robbing them and sending recordings of them admitting to pedophilia to everyone they know. howver I am not allowed to flirt with blacks so that rules that out
You've truly evolved into your newfound role quite well. Now you know what it means to be a woman.

*Proud parent*

Jimjam
07-30-2021, 12:14 AM
p.s. US government is a criminal org

Indeed - formed by an illegal insurrection by the wealthy class which wanted to have influence over government without paying taxes to support the protection racket ruling over them.

History of governments around the world tends to be criminal turtles all the way down.

Jimjam
07-30-2021, 12:18 AM
trigger warnin



Society has some interesting mechanics by which to allow ne’er dowels to effectively remove themselves from society.

*taps submit and cpntinues to browse forums*

imperiouskitten
07-30-2021, 12:31 AM
You've truly evolved into your newfound role quite well. Now you know what it means to be a woman.

*Proud parent*

https://i.imgur.com/5nWchjj.png

https://i.imgur.com/50EYfW9.png

HalflingSpergand
07-30-2021, 12:57 AM
War is trans and its symbol is a rainbow

imperiouskitten
07-30-2021, 01:50 AM
War is trans and its symbol is a rainbow

only if i get to digging on u & find a corpse :p

starkind
07-30-2021, 08:41 AM
Indeed - formed by an illegal insurrection by the wealthy class which wanted to have influence over government without paying taxes to support the protection racket ruling over them.

History of governments around the world tends to be criminal turtles all the way down.

this made me smile )