What is the average cost of a Bard Epic MQ on Blue these days?

[Loadsamoney]

The number I remember was 250kpp, give or take? I know it's not quite as much of a bottlenecked Epic in Velious since Trakanon spawn can be trigged with a turn-in, but white scales are still pretty expensive, so if there's any huge costly bottleneck to the epic, I would assume it's the white scales.

[Ripqozko]

white scales cost more then guts did in kunark, good luck finding anyone selling, hope that helps. consider kittens.

[Skarne]

White scales are about as expensive as holgresh beads on blue

[Ripqozko]

Good thing you don't need it to play mana song, so i'm sure you would be fine.

[Loadsamoney]

White scales are about as expensive as holgresh beads on blue

The average price of White Scales on Blue says 260kpp.

https://wiki.project1999.com/White_Dragon_Scales

So I assume if I can raise 260kpp and find someone selling the scales, I can probably MQ the epic?

[Skarne]

Last I checked they were going for about 450-550k which were the price of beads at the time.

[Loadsamoney]

Last I checked they were going for about 450-550k which were the price of beads at the time.

So the wiki is lying when it says the trending price is 260k?

I wonder what the cost of white scales is on Red, because I'm playing a Bard there.

[Nexii]

Probably 750k-1m as of late

[Loadsamoney]

Probably 750k-1m as of late

Project 1999 Auction Tracker (Blue)Search Forum
30d Avg 90d Avg All Time Avg All Time Range # Seen
? ± ? ? ± ? 182857 ± 107749 25000 / 450000 105
Warning: No pricing data (in the last 90 days) found to make chart.

Date Seller Price Date Seller Price
2019-05-26 Fantasi 260000 2019-05-25 Fantasi 260000
2019-05-24 Fantasi 260000 2019-05-23 Fantasi 260000
2019-05-22 Fantasi 260000 2019-05-21 Fantasi 260000
2019-05-21 Caros 100000 2019-05-21 Dreadrobert 100000
2019-05-20 Fantasi 260000 2019-05-19 Fantasi 260000
2019-05-18 Fantasi 260000 2019-05-17 Fantasi 260000
2019-05-16 Fantasi 260000 2019-05-15 Fantasi 260000
2019-05-14 Fantasi 260000 2019-05-13 Fantasi 260000
2019-05-12 Fantasi 260000 2019-05-11 Fantasi 260000
2019-05-10 Fantasi 260000 2019-05-09 Fantasi 260000
(Last 20 Recorded Auctions)

That's what I'm basing the 260k on.

[Veleria]

Wiki isn't lying, no one is selling. Look at the dates.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Wiki prices can lie, just as a heads up. People more recently have been messing with the wiki prices to try and lower or raise a price past the normal value to benefit themselves. Be suspicious any time most of the sellers in the recent logs are all the same person with the same price.

That isn't the case on White Scales, however. As mentioned above, the dates are just old. White Scales are easily 500k on average. And with the lack of people selling, you could see the price going much higher due to demand.

[Loadsamoney]

Wiki prices can lie, just as a heads up. People more recently have been messing with the wiki prices to try and lower or raise a price past the normal value to benefit themselves. Be suspicious any time most of the sellers in the recent logs are all the same person with the same price.

That isn't the case on White Scales, however. As mentioned above, the dates are just old. White Scales are easily 500k on average. And with the lack of people selling, you could see the price going much higher due to demand.

Do Bards cry like bitches when they see someone with a White Dragonscale Cloak?

[Freakish]

White dragonscale cloaks were primarily made before epics were introduced on blue. Guilds had so many and there was no indication kunark would ever be released.

I would love to know if any have been made since kunark released.

[Danth]

Wiki prices can lie, just as a heads up. People more recently have been messing with the wiki prices to try and lower or raise a price past the normal value to benefit themselves.

Quoting this for emphasis: The wiki pricing has been so heavily manipulated this past year or so that I no longer regard it as a useful resource for pricing popular "big ticket" items. It's still pretty good for the common items nobody cares much about.

Danth

[Ripqozko]

Do Bards cry like bitches when they see someone with a White Dragonscale Cloak?

Yea, they sound like you when they think wiki prices are correct.

[Loadsamoney]

Yea, they sound like you when they think wiki prices are correct.

I didn't say I believe or don't believe wiki prices are correct. I was simply using them as the baseline estimate. Clearly times have changed.

[mattydef]

Probably 750k-1m as of late

I've seen a handful of people offering this much for them recently and i'm assuming not being able to find them.

[Arvan]

many looking to buy zero looking to sell hope this helps

[Ravager]

Maybe I'll buy a white scale and turn it into a cloak for the poops and giggles of it, then give it to some noob druid in Faydark.

[ScottBerta]

It isn’t 250k, almost everyone who has been here a while has that much or more pp.. My guess is 1 mil pp…. If a guild is even willing to sell which is probably not likely.

[Croco]

I suggested Riot sell the next white scale we got to drop for the guild bank when someone was offering to buy one for 1 million plat and got universal condemnation. It would take an extreme situation that probably includes someone burning bridges with a top raiding guild before you see one of these being sold.

[Loadsamoney]

Okay, I get it already, getting your hands on White/Green scales are the Elf Sim equivalent of winning the Powerball in real life. You guys have made your point, cut me at least a little slack for thinking that being able to get one outside of a top raiding guild was feasible. My heart is already torn in two for thinking I could ever dare to have a Singing Short Sword on Blue, no more knife twisting.

I just started playing a Bard on Red. Given the low population there and far less competition, I'd like to dream that maybe, just MAYBE, completing the Bard Epic is realistically possible there.

[Ravager]

But then you won't have anyone to flaunt it to.

[Loadsamoney]

But then you won't have anyone to flaunt it to.

It's more for the personal satisfaction of completing a classes long, annoying pain in the ass quest chain that takes them across all corners of Norrath. And in a Bard's case, for being able to truly beef up whatever guild I run with 1.8x on Singing and Dance of the Blade.

[Croco]

You can certainly get a Singing Short Sword on blue. A bard gets one probably every month or so, maybe more often than that. You just need to join one of top 4 or 5 raiding guilds that are able to kill vox & gore.

[Ripqozko]

It's more for the personal satisfaction of completing a classes long, annoying pain in the ass quest chain that takes them across all corners of Norrath. And in a Bard's case, for being able to truly beef up whatever guild I run with 1.8x on Singing and Dance of the Blade.

It doesn't buff mana song and that's all you will be good for. Hope that helps.

[Loadsamoney]

It doesn't buff mana song and that's all you will be good for. Hope that helps.

Am I gonna get laughed at for saying Bard contributes far, far more for a group than just being a walking Claritybot?

[mattydef]

Am I gonna get laughed at for saying Bard contributes far, far more for a group than just being a walking Claritybot?

Bards in groups are fantastic. Besides bringing the obvious haste, hp/mana regen and resist songs they can pull, mez, charm and slow…hell they can even tank a bit if they have to. In raids most bards without epic will be just playing mana song but epic bards will usually be in dps groups twisting resists, regen and haste/atk on top of epic procs.

[Ripqozko]

Am I gonna get laughed at for saying Bard contributes far, far more for a group than just being a walking Claritybot?

they can, you probably wont. hope that helps.

[Loadsamoney]

they can, you probably wont. hope that helps.

Then I probably won't want to play one. I don't want to play a class who has an epic I have no realistic chance of ever completing outside of a top 5 guild.

[Khaall Drogo]

There are literally only 5 guilds. There is no other guild to join in a lesser standing then "the top 5"

[Loadsamoney]

There are literally only 5 guilds. There is no other guild to join in a lesser standing then "the top 5"

Axiom
Kittens who say Meow
Ex Astra (thought there was another called Ad Astra)
Vanquish
Riot
Europa
Castle
Stream Team
The Second Sons
Homeland

I also remember some other elite guilds from back in the day, including TMO, Bregan D'Aerth, and Azure Guard.

The point is, there's more than 5 guilds on Blue.

[Ripqozko]

Axiom
Kittens who say Meow
Ex Astra (thought there was another called Ad Astra)
Vanquish
Riot
Europa
Castle
Stream Team
The Second Sons
Homeland

I also remember some other elite guilds from back in the day, including TMO, Bregan D'Aerth, and Azure Guard.

The point is, there's more than 5 guilds on Blue.

only 4 of those do things, rest are social guilds. hope that helps. still under 5

[Khaall Drogo]

Axiom
Kittens who say Meow
Ex Astra (thought there was another called Ad Astra)
Vanquish
Riot
Europa
Castle
Stream Team
The Second Sons
Homeland

I also remember some other elite guilds from back in the day, including TMO, Bregan D'Aerth, and Azure Guard.

The point is, there's more than 5 guilds on Blue.

1> Riot
2> KWSM
3> Freedom
4> TSS
5> Lighthouse+Castle+Europa+Homeland+Stream Team all are an alliance.

Any of those 5 raiding entities (there are no others) do and can get bard epics done. You literally cant join another guild that kills Gore/Vox besides one of those. Hope this helps.

[Loadsamoney]

1> Riot
2> KWSM
3> Freedom
4> TSS
5> Lighthouse+Castle+Europa+Homeland+Stream Team all are an alliance.

Any of those 5 raiding entities (there are no others) do and can get bard epics done. You literally cant join another guild that kills Gore/Vox besides one of those. Hope this helps.

I joined Axiom, and they do indeed raid. They're doing a Sky raid in a few hours. I wish I was 46 on my Ranger to join them, but I'm still on the grind.

[Khaall Drogo]

I joined Axiom, and they do indeed raid. They're doing a Sky raid in a few hours. I wish I was 46 on my Ranger to join them, but I'm still on the grind.

Last time I checked Vox and Gore dont spawn in PoS on a Saturday evening. Also Saturday evening is Aegis in PoS. SO if they are going tonight they are joining a raiding alliance slot, not doing it themselves.

Which still, falls under the initial point, of there is not more then 5 guilds or alliances that raid on blue.

[Droxx]

1> Riot
2> KWSM
3> Freedom
4> TSS
5> Lighthouse+Castle+Europa+Homeland+Stream Team all are an alliance.

Any of those 5 raiding entities (there are no others) do and can get bard epics done. You literally cant join another guild that kills Gore/Vox besides one of those. Hope this helps.

https://i.imgur.com/OO5Tsz6.png

[Khaall Drogo]

https://i.imgur.com/OO5Tsz6.png

I did forget about eclipse! Sorry Droxx no hard feelings :) You guys been working your way up quick :)

[Loadsamoney]

So I should just abandon my dreams of ever completing Bard Epic on Blue, unless I were to jump ship and join another guild, which I don't want to do. Axiom is a nice bunch of lads and I want to take this journey with them.

Oh well, I'm playing a Bard on Red, maybe one day there. I'll just focus on completing Epic for my Pally and Ranger and then decide on another alt later.

[Khaall Drogo]

So I should just abandon my dreams of ever completing Bard Epic on Blue, unless I were to jump ship and join another guild, which I don't want to do. Axiom is a nice bunch of lads.

Oh well, I'm playing a Bard on Red, maybe one day there. I'll just focus on completing Epic for my Pally and Ranger instead.

Consider the Lighthouse DKP system, they will allow you to join there raids, earn and spend DKP regardless of your guild affiliation ! They are a great group of guys and u can stay guildless or in ANY of the guilds and still win your Scale one day! Even guild leaders from the major 5 have joined in on some lighthouse raids and won some things here and there ! Got a Vindi BP myself with them :)

[Droxx]

Consider the Lighthouse DKP system, they will allow you to join there raids, earn and spend DKP regardless of your guild affiliation ! They are a great group of guys and u can stay guildless or in ANY of the guilds and still win your Scale one day! Even guild leaders from the major 5 have joined in on some lighthouse raids and won some things here and there ! Got a Vindi BP myself with them :)

That's true too. I got my vindi BP from lighthouse and was really close to winning my own white scales with them.

[Khaall Drogo]

That's true too. I got my vindi BP from lighthouse and was really close to winning my own white scales with them.

Yeah for sure I dont want the guy to give up on his dream! Lighthouse is an awesome organization for this reason :)

[Sonderbeast]

DKP = BAD

Pick 3 = GEWD

ya'll a bunch of nerds!

[Loadsamoney]

DKP = BAD

Pick 3 = GEWD

ya'll a bunch of nerds!

Anything is better than Loot Council. Saw far too many Lich King guilds tear themselves under because of that system.

[Sonderbeast]

Imagine your gear itemization being ultimately decided by a neckbeard tribunal. No thanks!

[Loadsamoney]

Imagine your gear itemization being ultimately decided by a neckbeard tribunal. No thanks!

Go play Dalaran WoW or Warmane. It's predominantly neckbeard councils for the raiding guilds, with extra favoritism.

[Ravager]

It's all favortism until you let the dice decide. RNG is the only fair thing. In games and in life. After all, you were probably lucky enough not to be born into a village overrun with disease, poverty, mercenaries or all three. If you were born into a suburb free of war and strife, do you really believe you "earned" it?

DKP is a lie and a scam.

[Liia]

That's the price I paid for WDS about 2 months ago.

https://i.imgur.com/1UvcmyQ.png

I believe someone actually offered more than I paid on the forum a few weeks after I bought my own.

[Snaggles]

You might get it done for 1m. Most things can be done for that. Question is if it’s worth it.
Edit: I see the 800k above, grats!

[Snaggles]

So I should just abandon my dreams of ever completing Bard Epic on Blue, unless I were to jump ship and join another guild, which I don't want to do. Axiom is a nice bunch of lads and I want to take this journey with them.

Oh well, I'm playing a Bard on Red, maybe one day there. I'll just focus on completing Epic for my Pally and Ranger and then decide on another alt later.

I’d focus on hitting 60 with a bard before worrying about the epic. In this game levels count for more than almost anything with exception of a few classes. I’d stop grinding a rogue, ranger, or cleric to get the epic in the low 50’s. Those won’t take you more than a couple casual weeks if you are in any guild.

[Bardp1999]

Problem is the scales are pretty rare - better off trying to get a mage epic