Revised Angry Goblin Player Made Agreement

[SantagarBrax]

To Surmise this revised Player Made Agreement:

Upon the start of the Angry Goblin window, players will /random 1000 and the highest dice number will win the turn in. Players will have 30 seconds to roll. The winner of the roll will sock the window until the Angry Goblin spawns and shall have 1 hour to perform the turn in and kill Skargus. The winning player must bring their own kill force. If 1 hour has elapsed from Angry Goblin spawn time and Skargus has not been spawned nor engaged by the previous roll winner, anyone else may perform the turn in to Angry Goblin or kill Skargus.

Players may only win the roll once per character.
Players must maintain a no-trade distance from an Angry Goblin spawn to avoid disputes.
Players must honor their roll and turn in themselves.

The player who wins the roll must also loot Skargus Head. Winning the roll to sell Angry Goblin turn in or to MQ Skargus Head is against this agreement. Turning in, or looting Skargus head if not the roll winner, will be petitioned and handled by CSR/GM's.

Attacking, Casting, or otherwise aggroing Angry Goblin, if not the roll winner and within the 1 hour window of the winner, will be petitioned and handled by CSR/GM's.
In the case of tie winning rolls, the involved players will /random 1000 again until a winner has been decided. Winners must post in P99 Discord Blue-General the Time of Death of Skargus and which player character name that won the roll.

Any Quake or Server Soft Reset /random 1000 roll times will be exactly 5 minutes after the aforementioned Quake or Soft Reset.

In the event of a Server Shutdown and upon the Server coming back up, a 1 minute warning to roll /random 1000 shall be provided to other players by anyone at the roll off prior to any /random 1000 numbers being accepted. If no other players are present, a simple "/say rolling in 1 minute" will suffice and proceed accordingly.

[SantagarBrax]

If anyone has any resolutions or suggestions towards any concerns they may have, feel free to post in this thread in order to improve this agreement.

[myrddraal]

Angry is fine as is.

WTS regal band MQ 200k :)

[enjchanter]

yeah 100% no if you cant sell or mq the head after

and lol on actually policing that

[Samoht]

OP bought and re-sold ring MQs. Now they're trying to prevent other people from doing the same.

[Croco]

Unfortunately the extremely vocal minority will never let this become a thing and the vast majority of people who would be in favor of and benefit from an agreement like this will never see this post.

[enjchanter]

everyone loves uninstanced content and competition till they lose a roll one too many times

[SantagarBrax]

OP bought and re-sold ring MQs. Now they're trying to prevent other people from doing the same.

Not true. Not relevant to the topic. If you don't have anything constructive to add to this topic please refrain from posting here.

[SantagarBrax]

Angry is fine as is.

WTS regal band MQ 200k :)

Not relevant towards the topic and discussion at hand. Please refrain from posting here if you don't wish to contribute positively towards the conversation. The poll will reflect your decision already.

Thank you for your input.

[Samoht]

Not true.

Orly? Who said this:

I bought a swc mq.

You were either lying then or you're lying now.

Not relevant to the topic. If you don't have anything constructive to add to this topic please refrain from posting here.

Exposing the hypocrisy and the ulterior motive of the person demanding changes is extremely relevant. You'll need to address the accusations and come clean before anybody can agree with you.

[BarbaricSheep]

You guys do realize that it doesn't say anywhere in the proposal what you can or can't do with your ring once you have completed the quest right? You would still be able to MQ your ring if you wanted to...

[myrddraal]

Not relevant towards the topic and discussion at hand. Please refrain from posting here if you don't wish to contribute positively towards the conversation. The poll will reflect your decision already.

Thank you for your input.

you have no problem socking raid mobs for 16 hours straight but wont for angry, ok. Just put in your time like everyone else. This is like the sad attempt people made to try to change scout roll because RNGsus doesn't favor them. Get over it already and get ready for the next roll.

[Jomar]

You guys do realize that it doesn't say anywhere in the proposal what you can or can't do with your ring once you have completed the quest right? You would still be able to MQ your ring if you wanted to...
That's fine if the "Players may only win the roll once per character." were enforced, as either way they only get the one win. Ring isn't a BiS item (though it's obv very good for many classes), so makes sense for those that don't need it to be able to sell/allow someone else to skip the rolls.

The proposed agreement looks pretty reasonable for the intent, but a support staff rep does need to sign off on it too or else it's kind of pointless. Again, the current agreement works for all parties (aside from being collectively a monstrous waste of time), but the proposed agreement will just be a high-turnout shitshow if there are no repercussions for breaking the terms.

[SantagarBrax]

Orly? Who said this:



You were either lying then or you're lying now.



Exposing the hypocrisy and the ulterior motive of the person demanding changes is extremely relevant. You'll need to address the accusations and come clean before anybody can agree with you.

Maybe you should take a break. You're seeing shadows and inventing Machiavellian machinations where none exist. There are no "ulterior" motives other than to stop wasting time for the sake of wasting time.

This isn't a debate on your wild imaginations. If you can't contribute anything positive towards this conversation, then just continue posting in RNF and leave this conversation to the adults.

For everyone else, I appreciate your input.

[SantagarBrax]

That's fine if the "Players may only win the roll once per character." were enforced, as either way they only get the one win. Ring isn't a BiS item (though it's obv very good for many classes), so makes sense for those that don't need it to be able to sell/allow someone else to skip the rolls.

The proposed agreement looks pretty reasonable for the intent, but a support staff rep does need to sign off on it too or else it's kind of pointless. Again, the current agreement works for all parties (aside from being collectively a monstrous waste of time), but the proposed agreement will just be a high-turnout shitshow if there are no repercussions for breaking the terms.

If agreed upon by the player base and staff, it would become part of the PnP and any violations would fall under that. There would be teeth to this punishment for those that wish to attempt to subvert the agreement.

@Everyone - Keep Voting!

[Samoht]

lol @ this con artist

bought and sold his ring MQ and is getting angry that he can't get angry

now nobody should get angry because he's angry

[SantagarBrax]

@Samoht

I see you do not possess the capability, composure, nor maturity to contribute to this topic and will no longer engage you to feed your ego.

Have a nice day.

[xdrcfrx]

biggest issue with this setup will be tracking the time of death. I think the variable spawn makes it hard to have a roll on window opening. One person fails to update the time of death, and then no one but that person knows the actual window for the next one. How will you deal with people showing up after the roll has taken place claiming to be on time for the window opening?

[Samoht]

@Samoht

I see you do not possess the capability, composure, nor maturity to contribute to this topic and will no longer engage you to feed your ego.

Have a nice day.

You cannot address the concerns. What happened to the ring you received when you bought your SWC MQ? Did you sell it? Or did the account already have SWC when you bought it so you don't know? Why do you deserve a second angry goblin ring when nobody else does? This request is obviously self-serving and greedy.

[SantagarBrax]

biggest issue with this setup will be tracking the time of death. I think the variable spawn makes it hard to have a roll on window opening. One person fails to update the time of death, and then no one but that person knows the actual window for the next one. How will you deal with people showing up after the roll has taken place claiming to be on time for the window opening?

This is an important piece of the puzzle and your concerns are valid. Initially, I believed updating the wiki to be the proper course of action, just like the Ring 8 roll. After discussing with several friends and guildies, I came to the conclusion that there is no accountability or log of this event. Placing trust in "the system" would almost certainly lead to corruption or just plain human fallacy by forgetting to update the wiki.

The only viable solution that provides both a log and accountability would be utilizing the Discord p99 Blue-General channel. First, anyone can update the winning roll player characters' name and there will be a timestamp, thus providing a clear and measurable "window" of the mob. Since the winning player's name would be logged, there would be a record to hold accountable that player if they chose not to update the ToD. Punishment for not updating the ToD by a player would be left up to the discretion of the CSR/GM's. This scenario self polices everyone involved. There will most certainly be other players spot checking or even camping the entire window in the hopes of sniping after the 1 hour spawn / fail to engage timer has started.

Keep in mind the goal of this proposal is two-fold:

1) Eliminate the combined hundreds of wasted hours by moving the winner of the roll to the beginning of the window instead of a sockfest.

2) Eliminate / Mitigate the ability of those that seek to corrupt this particular portion of the quest in an attempt to profit for profits' sake.

This proposal does not have anything to do with the Ring once you obtain it and you are free to do whatever you like with your Ring.

[Samoht]

2) Eliminate / Mitigate the ability of those that seek to corrupt this particular portion of the quest in an attempt to profit for profits' sake.

You yourself are proven to be guilty of this by your own words. The hypocrisy here is astounding.

[SantagarBrax]

The only viable solution that provides both a log and accountability would be utilizing the Discord p99 Blue-General channel.

Or....a newly created channel named "An Angry Goblin - Winners" in Discord p99.

[Jontheripper]

2 negative options, one positive option = absolute garbage poll and cannot be used for anything except on how not to create a poll.

[Synphul]

I'm going to go ahead and file this under 'nah' like it looks most others have done. Staff requiring regular players to use Discord or log into an external website to camp a mob is terribly un-classic and just dumb. A lot of people don't use and/or won't use Discord, so they aren't allowed to camp it? Forcing that requirement onto your average player is a terrible idea and shows you're really only doing this for yourself because that's what works for you. Any agreement should be simple and require the least amount of work outside of actually camping and rolling for the mob as possible, and what we have now is a lot closer to that than what is being proposed in this thread. Telling someone they can't camp Angry because they don't have or use Discord, again, is just dumb and your rules just complicate the entire process.

If you're in a raid guild then you can most likely already get the timer. If you're not then it isn't really hard to get if you're not completely socially inept. Poopsocking a spawn is P99 at it's core and it's fair based on the original game design that some items take extraordinary effort to obtain. It already requires minimal effort to participate. You literally just have to be there and be able to /rand.

The existing rules level the playing field and works for all parties without needing excessive oversight or rules.

It sounds like your real beef is just with the variance. You might have more luck mounting a campaign to keep the rules the same and remove the variance. But expect to /rand against a LOT more people if they remove the variance.

[SantagarBrax]

Those of you that advocate for changing code within this game (variance) for the benefit of the player base simply do not understand that the dev's are not going to do that. They only do that to benefit them and their staff. (Raid scene issues/less petitions)

So forget about it already.

[SantagarBrax]

For all these naysayers and "Needs Work" / "No, I don't like it" votes...I'm still waiting on any intelligent amendments to improve the proposal.

As far as requiring an "outside source" to update, it's already done on the Wiki for Ring 8. You're willing to sit through 7hrs and 15 mins variance every few days but object to spending 30 seconds to update the ToD in Discord? I find this impossible to believe.

[Samoht]

For all these naysayers and "Needs Work" / "No, I don't like it" votes...I'm still waiting on any intelligent amendments to improve the proposal.

Why are you insisting on one angry per character when you yourself BOUGHT and SOLD a ring MQ?

[Pootle]

Why are you insisting on one angry per character when you yourself BOUGHT and SOLD a ring MQ?

Good question. Lets have an answer to this....

[myrddraal]

the agreement as it is works just fine, convoluting the system and adding all sorts of extra rules is unnecessary. Should we roll for stormfeather and lodizal too? For cash camps? An alternate solution to your "i cant win this roll" problem is try to buy everyone out. The fact of the matter is you dont even NEED this ring to get your SWC, many guilds have a regal band they pass around for a nominal fee so everyone can skip that part entirely as long as they pass it along. Adding more rules to something that already works is DUMB.

[Dennar]

Ill throw you a bone and provide a suggestion to one of the problems you have, but is also nearly as bad.

Instead of rolling at the opening of the window, which has a ton of problems that can lead to complications, roll at the end of the window. At the end of the window, Angry will be up and the turn in can be completed at that time and everyone can still stay and kill Skargus. This solves multiple issues with your suggestions, but creates its own list of problems that nearly everyone will hate.

[Samoht]

Instead of rolling at the opening of the window, which has a ton of problems that can lead to complications, roll at the end of the window. At the end of the window, Angry will be up and the turn in can be completed at that time and everyone can still stay and kill Skargus. This solves multiple issues with your suggestions, but creates its own list of problems that nearly everyone will hate.

le snipe

[xdrcfrx]

the fact that the spawn time is variable and can become unknown makes it practically impossible to have any set up other than roll on spawn, sadly. Ring 8 roll works as a fixed time roll because the spawn isn't variable, and although it drifts daily it's usually not too far before a quake.

You can't do a "roll on window open" for a variable spawn without a way to ensure that anyone who wants to roll can learn the timer, and a way to ensure that all parties rolling agree what the window is.

Current meta for angry is best it can be, imo.

[Jimjam]

Upon pop, all contestants must join a zoom video meeting for a game of 'soggy biscuit'.

The loser gets to eat the biscuit, I mean loot the item.