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starkind
06-16-2021, 11:23 PM
Like. Rp wise. It's 100% wizard.

I played a necromancer and wizard both to 50 on several servers recently, red, and green, and takp. As well as the cleric.

Officially the necromancer rly did level the fastest cuz lich, pet, and lifetap. Plus FD, but it was REALLY close to wizard. Like super close. Despite the wizard having more downtime. The necromancer needed to run around more. Needed to level in a zone with a Zem. Had more deaths etc..

Where as the wizard had a ton more downtime. But actual necessary time doing stuff at the computer, was like 1/3rd the time necromancer had to do things.

The wizard pretty much just had to stand up and blast some mob outdoors and gate to a safe spot, afk. Then go again, and at lvl 34 since I picked erudite that was instantly 4 mobs.

It's a looootttt easier to root/snare and do than it is to fear kite, or fd, mez, fear, or charm, just to get like 125% or .2 more efficiency than that afk wiz. I spent a lot of time sitting around at full mana anyway on necromancer. And basically having to either buy a port to ec, or run there defeated all that extra xp or loot i was getting.

My wiz spent a lot of time at that inn near the WK spire after exploding several mobs and was able to instantly gate back to their camp and instantly kill some mobs without having to even bother with setting up. After tabbing out or whatever.

Literally could root 4 mobs, nuke one. Port. Med, gate back, root 3 mobs, nuke 1, port, med, gate, root 2... and camps where easily split lol.

Of course mobs with like 5k hp get problematic, but like soloing FGs is a huge chore anyway. Just wiz it up and buy that crown and boots. It'll happen way faster.

And you'll have less mmo psychosis. A lot less. From being essentially chained to the keyboard without being able to go pee.

Skarne
06-16-2021, 11:53 PM
You type like recondojoe

starkind
06-17-2021, 12:00 AM
You type like recondojoe
Maybe it's a brain dmg or physiology idk why there's such synchronicity.

Starkind swears to you on Starkinds integrity and honor, that aside from Starkind being Starkind, and a wizardess IRL, the universe vast, infinite, and encompassing all of Starkind. Starkind is definitely not RecondoJoe, but it's possible RecondoJoe is Starkind.

Jibartik
06-17-2021, 12:12 AM
I wish wizards got c instead of chanters 8(

Lune
06-17-2021, 01:57 AM
I wish wizards got c instead of chanters 8(

I've always thought this would have been such an incredible change.

That and druid/ranger/mage DS preventing the amount of damage that it reflects; 3 classes that really needed that extra utility in high lvl xp group content and would make druids a viable alternate to shaman for that support spot.

Tunabros
06-17-2021, 03:25 AM
You type like recondojoe

SlankyLanky
06-17-2021, 11:12 AM
how does the ignore function work on the forums?

Lune
06-17-2021, 11:15 AM
how does the ignore function work on the forums?

Click on their username, go to view public profile, go to user lists dropdown just below their name at the top, select add to ignore list

SlankyLanky
06-17-2021, 11:17 AM
Click on their username, go to view public profile, go to user lists dropdown just below their name at the top, select add to ignore list

ty much!

Gustoo
06-17-2021, 11:29 AM
I like wizards too. Very fun class. Like most classes they can do a lot more than they get credit for.

starkind
06-17-2021, 11:38 AM
https://i.imgur.com/F3Y91ti.gif

I like wizards too. Very fun class. Like most classes they can do a lot more than they get credit for.

:)

tadkins
06-17-2021, 06:56 PM
I am maining a wizard right now, made it to level 45 which is where my other best attempt (a mage) is also at. Rerolled on Green about 50 times, including some other attempts at wizard, before finally managing to stick with this one.

I don't know what the future is going to hold but I am honestly having a lot of fun right now. Felt godlike once I got my snare, jboots and staff of tempflux. Killed my first ice giant ever last night. I do like the fact that I can just dump my mana and go AFK for a bit in the span of minutes. Thank goodness for Netflix, Hulu and YouTube. xD

Ports too are another matter. I was surprised at how much people value them. Honestly figured folks would clamor more for druid ones given their ability to send them on their way with a SoW. But I have ported a lot with this wizard and I genuinely feel useful doing so.

The one downside to the class in my experience is their lack of group desirability. I honestly haven't been asked to come to one dungeon in all my 45 levels thus far. It did make the Tempflux staff quest hard and I had to cheat with my retired mage to get that done. As someone who would like to one day see what some of the higher end dungeons look like (Hole, LGuk, SolB, Sebilis, etc) that is a genuine concern. But on the plus side, they are highly desired for raids, so maybe I could just one day get decked out in raid gear and go explore SolB on my own with that, lol.

But all in all I think I made the right choice. I'm taking this wizard as far as I can.

starkind
06-17-2021, 07:16 PM
I am maining a wizard right now, made it to level 45 which is where my other best attempt (a mage) is also at. Rerolled on Green about 50 times, including some other attempts at wizard, before finally managing to stick with this one.

I don't know what the future is going to hold but I am honestly having a lot of fun right now. Felt godlike once I got my snare, jboots and staff of tempflux. Killed my first ice giant ever last night. I do like the fact that I can just dump my mana and go AFK for a bit in the span of minutes. Thank goodness for Netflix, Hulu and YouTube. xD

Ports too are another matter. I was surprised at how much people value them. Honestly figured folks would clamor more for druid ones given their ability to send them on their way with a SoW. But I have ported a lot with this wizard and I genuinely feel useful doing so.

The one downside to the class in my experience is their lack of group desirability. I honestly haven't been asked to come to one dungeon in all my 45 levels thus far. It did make the Tempflux staff quest hard and I had to cheat with my retired mage to get that done. As someone who would like to one day see what some of the higher end dungeons look like (Hole, LGuk, SolB, Sebilis, etc) that is a genuine concern. But on the plus side, they are highly desired for raids, so maybe I could just one day get decked out in raid gear and go explore SolB on my own with that, lol.

But all in all I think I made the right choice. I'm taking this wizard as far as I can.
Good plan!

Don't forget you've got root. Invis. Eyeballs. And bind sight if you ever want to just explore.

IVU pots are available and usually any see invis mobs can be snuck around or rooted.

tadkins
06-17-2021, 07:26 PM
Good plan!

Don't forget you've got root. Invis. Eyeballs. And bind sight if you ever want to just explore.

IVU pots are available and usually any see invis mobs can be snuck around or rooted.

I did have to do a little solo dungeon crawling a while back for the Acumen Mask quest, and did okay I think. This was in Unrest at 38 though. Lots of rooting and careful pulling.

As far as exploration goes, I thought the eyeballs weren't invisible and could aggro mobs. I haven't tried out Bind Sight yet though, that might be far better.

Discovered a neat source for IvU as well recently. My wizard is currently Amiable with The Dead in Neriak, and the Sir Lindeal's Testimony (https://wiki.project1999.com/Sir_Lindeal%27s_Testimony) quest yields a nice 2 charge IvU item that can be clicked by anyone. Will be nice to have until Velious when we get our own spell for it at any rate.

starkind
06-17-2021, 08:58 PM
I did have to do a little solo dungeon crawling a while back for the Acumen Mask quest, and did okay I think. This was in Unrest at 38 though. Lots of rooting and careful pulling.

As far as exploration goes, I thought the eyeballs weren't invisible and could aggro mobs. I haven't tried out Bind Sight yet though, that might be far better.

Discovered a neat source for IvU as well recently. My wizard is currently Amiable with The Dead in Neriak, and the Sir Lindeal's Testimony (https://wiki.project1999.com/Sir_Lindeal%27s_Testimony) quest yields a nice 2 charge IvU item that can be clicked by anyone. Will be nice to have until Velious when we get our own spell for it at any rate.

Oh yeah lol. I forget the eyes are agro in classic.

Yep. Sir Lindeal is great :D

Jimjam
06-18-2021, 02:38 AM
You can always invis your pet to stop it aggroing while using it for exploring.

tadkins
06-18-2021, 07:22 AM
You can always invis your pet to stop it aggroing while using it for exploring.

I never thought about this. I'll give that a try, thanks for the info. :D

Loadsamoney
06-18-2021, 12:27 PM
But what do wizards actually do besides nuke things?

Jibartik
06-18-2021, 12:41 PM
I've always thought this would have been such an incredible change.

That and druid/ranger/mage DS preventing the amount of damage that it reflects; 3 classes that really needed that extra utility in high lvl xp group content and would make druids a viable alternate to shaman for that support spot.

I liked that! I thought of another cool thing wizards could have maybe had. A timeslow spell.

Single target move speed debuff and attack speed debuff, so they could sort of square off face to face against melee mobs.

Maybe it's like a song type duration that can be juggled to remain on by a skilled player. And it'd get knocked off if you melee'd the mob sort of knocking them back into our time speed narratively. That way it's used for a wizard to handle 1:1 situations.

Gustoo
06-18-2021, 01:37 PM
But what do wizards actually do besides nuke things?

Be mysterious....


Also, what do enchanters do besides charm things?
What do rogues do besides attack things
What do warriors sks and paladins do besids get hit by things?

I mean...I'm not sure if seriously.

Jimjam
06-18-2021, 01:49 PM
I like the time warp idea, I’d probably like it implemented as a targeted rain. Instead of doing waves of damage it would proc a short duration stun/snare/slow debuff.

I like the idea of the target snapping back in sync, so make the debuff fragile like mez (the effect fades from the target if they get hit for damage).

Re what wizards do in groups? I found they work best ensuring pulls are smooth, adds are managed and the main target stays on the tank.

Makes a group smoother than dumping 1k mana to do 5k damage in 10 seconds then go afk every 5 minutes.

Lune
06-18-2021, 02:02 PM
I am maining a wizard right now, made it to level 45 which is where my other best attempt (a mage) is also at. Rerolled on Green about 50 times, including some other attempts at wizard, before finally managing to stick with this one.

I don't know what the future is going to hold but I am honestly having a lot of fun right now. Felt godlike once I got my snare, jboots and staff of tempflux. Killed my first ice giant ever last night. I do like the fact that I can just dump my mana and go AFK for a bit in the span of minutes. Thank goodness for Netflix, Hulu and YouTube. xD

Ports too are another matter. I was surprised at how much people value them. Honestly figured folks would clamor more for druid ones given their ability to send them on their way with a SoW. But I have ported a lot with this wizard and I genuinely feel useful doing so.

The one downside to the class in my experience is their lack of group desirability. I honestly haven't been asked to come to one dungeon in all my 45 levels thus far. It did make the Tempflux staff quest hard and I had to cheat with my retired mage to get that done. As someone who would like to one day see what some of the higher end dungeons look like (Hole, LGuk, SolB, Sebilis, etc) that is a genuine concern. But on the plus side, they are highly desired for raids, so maybe I could just one day get decked out in raid gear and go explore SolB on my own with that, lol.

But all in all I think I made the right choice. I'm taking this wizard as far as I can.

Hit me up on my SK Valessar once I get in the 40's and I'd be happy to group with you in Lguk, Sol B, deep Kaesora, Dalnir, etc. My gear means I do pretty well soloing in these places but I usually pick up whatever lfg's or soloers I find and make ad hoc groups. If you're on blue, that is

Classic EQ was never about the most efficient comp, it was about picking up whoever was LFG next to you lol. But wizards are among my favorite leveling companions when I make an alt. It's so nice to be able to jet off to explore a far flung dungeon and easily replace group members once there. They are also good at controlling casters with their stuns and burning down bad pulls.

Jibartik
06-18-2021, 02:18 PM
I like the time warp idea, I’d probably like it implemented as a targeted rain. Instead of doing waves of damage it would proc a short duration stun/snare/slow debuff.

I like the idea of the target snapping back in sync, so make the debuff fragile like mez (the effect fades from the target if they get hit for damage).

Re what wizards do in groups? I found they work best ensuring pulls are smooth, adds are managed and the main target stays on the tank.

Makes a group smoother than dumping 1k mana to do 5k damage in 10 seconds then go afk every 5 minutes.

that would be a cool rain spell idea, like it would be a little aoe short duration superslow/mez in groups with adds, I like that!

Loadsamoney
06-18-2021, 03:39 PM
Be mysterious....


Also, what do enchanters do besides charm things?
What do rogues do besides attack things
What do warriors sks and paladins do besids get hit by things?

I mean...I'm not sure if seriously.

Well, Enchanters give clarity and make materials for jewelry.
Rogues pick locks and pockets.
Paladins can make decent healers and they can rez.

The other two, you've got me there.

Naethyn
06-18-2021, 04:57 PM
A group of 50 wizards with giant/dragon bane could take over blue.

enjchanter
06-18-2021, 07:06 PM
how did you manage to have more deaths on a necromancer than a wizard

and your stance on them being powerful because of fast leveling is just like automatically null because of bards.

starkind
06-21-2021, 08:41 AM
how did you manage to have more deaths on a necromancer than a wizard

and your stance on them being powerful because of fast leveling is just like automatically null because of bards.

basically cuz i went and did harder things and charm lol

died 3x but lvld almost as fast as playing it safe on wizard

idk if u do want a chillllll experience, i'm on the fence, necro could be chill but it will actually be slower than some classes

Sonderbeast
06-21-2021, 09:26 AM
A group of 50 wizards with giant/dragon bane could take over blue.

I want a detailed explanation.

BlackBellamy
06-21-2021, 11:13 AM
how does the ignore function work on the forums?

You tell someone they are ignored, then you post a screenshot showing their ignored forum posts, then you un-ignore them because you are crazy-curious.

loramin
06-21-2021, 01:07 PM
A group of 50 wizards with giant/dragon bane could take over blue.

Trying to bring manaburn squads to P99 (pre-Luclin)? ;)

Gustoo
06-21-2021, 02:04 PM
https://wiki.project1999.com/Porlos%27_Fury

Naethyn
06-21-2021, 07:06 PM
Unresistable anything is extremely powerful here.

Sonderbeast
06-21-2021, 07:13 PM
I want a detailed explanation.

Getting summoned by KT and smashed one by one as you try to chain cast doesn't sound especially powerful, sounds like a wipe 95% of the time.

Gustoo
06-21-2021, 07:35 PM
I think you need 150 wizards to 1 shot most dragons.

Naethyn
06-21-2021, 07:44 PM
It's not just wizards. You still need the support team that drives these raids. Coth bots, cleric bots, knight tanks, trainers. None of that goes away.

What you can do though is simplify the overall makeup required for every encounter reducing it to just 50 wizards and that team. I doubt even CH chains are required with speedbumps dumping aggro and 20k+ unresistable dps.

Sonderbeast
06-21-2021, 09:19 PM
50 Wizards = 100,000 damage per cast, 6 second cast time, 5 second cooldown.

KT needs a total of 50 seconds
Vindi needs about 17 seconds
Yelinak about 28 seconds

Honestly sounds like a fun video. Organize it Naethyn, get to work!

starkind
06-21-2021, 09:50 PM
50 Wizards = 100,000 damage per cast, 6 second cast time, 5 second cooldown.

KT needs a total of 50 seconds
Vindi needs about 17 seconds
Yelinak about 28 seconds

Honestly sounds like a fun video. Organize it Naethyn, get to work!

You really only need like 25 wizards, 10 clerics, and 2 warriors.

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Also timewarp rain spell seems cool. Do it.