Monk Tstaff VS AC / SOS and Epic / SoS

[TripleLegit]

I know this has been discussed extensively, but many of the posts I’ve found are older and they are inconsistent with some of the answers I get in Game.

At what point does AC / SOS become better dps than Tstaff? I’ve heard sometime in the 40’s but no one says that anymore. Also, what about epic (bare fist) and sos offhand.

Thanks in advanced.

[Man0warr]

The formula for 1H (and 2H until final Velious patch revamps damage bonus based on delay) Damage Bonus is (Level - 25) / 3. You'd have to do some more math to get rough DPS but around late 40s/low level 50s is when AC/SoS overtake 29/30.

Epic/SoS is the best 1H combo you can get in Kunark outside of two Wu's Fist of Mastery.

All this goes out the window in the final pre-Luclin patch when 2H damage bonus is revamped to scale upwards based on Delay - then there are a few 2H that are comparable or better than the best 1H setups.

Edit - if you are mostly soloing or tanking for groups it's still probably worth using TStaff even up to 60 just because you'll trigger less enemy ripostes, your ripostes will do more damage, and TStaff stun lowers enemy DPS by a non-zero amount. The Adamantite Club proc isn't great for just DPSing in a group because it generates a lot of aggro.

[TripleLegit]

Thank you, that is very helpful!

[DMN]

if you are looking for max damage you have to consider the hidden fist technique on a two hander. dontcha? its actually one of the very few slight advantages to playing a human have over ikky monk.

[Toxigen]

if you are looking for max damage you have to consider the hidden fist technique on a two hander. dontcha? its actually one of the very few slight advantages to playing a human have over ikky monk.

huh? iksars can do it too

the simple answer is just use T staff unless you're a dps monk on a high lvl raid target

odds are you're taking dmg - the dmg mitigation of t staff (or any decent 2 hander like IFS / peacebringer) more than makes up any slight loss in dmg

theres a good reason why t staves are 50-60k

[DMN]

huh? iksars can do it too

the simple answer is just use T staff unless you're a dps monk on a high lvl raid target

ya they can but they have a worse ratio on their fists.

[Man0warr]

Everyone has the same ratio with Epic :D

Also 2h/fist swapping is more trouble than it's worth. But technically it's max DPS.

[Stonewallx39]

Also 2h/fist swapping is more trouble than it's worth. But technically it's max DPS.

Yes…. I agree with this definitely not worth it… id be happy to take that t-staff of your hands so you can focus on 1hb…

[Snaggles]

Parse it. These days with the 2h bonus damage change maybe never. 15/25 is a pretty gross MH ratio.

[Toxigen]

IFS is probably the best bang-for-buck monk weapon out there for the solo / small group tanking monk.

Wildly underrated, 10% the cost of a T staff...can essentially have a IFS and Fungi for the same price. That super slow speed makes it really easy to swap out for the fist attacks too if you're a sperg about dps.

If you've got the cash, then T staff no question of course.

[JustinWK]

I've parsed all three on a level 60 (human) monk recently - Noteworthy: Target aggroed on the monk for ripostes. For me, it always ends with the T-Staff out damaging 1) epic fists, 2) SoS offhand, 3) Adamantite Club offhand, excluding (I think) the damage procs.

[Keebz]

I've parsed all three on a level 60 (human) monk recently - Noteworthy: Target aggroed on the monk for ripostes. For me, it always ends with the T-Staff out damaging 1) epic fists, 2) SoS offhand, 3) Adamantite Club offhand, excluding (I think) the damage procs.

Same.

[Stonewallx39]

I've parsed all three on a level 60 (human) monk recently - Noteworthy: Target aggroed on the monk for ripostes. For me, it always ends with the T-Staff out damaging 1) epic fists, 2) SoS offhand, 3) Adamantite Club offhand, excluding (I think) the damage procs.

We’re you parsing on Blue or Green or possibly both?

I’ve had really good luck with the Peacebringer (I’m on budget damnit!) It is 97% of the T staff for 4% of the price. I do click between swings too to help maximize DPS during the brief windows when I’m not pulling.

[Stonewallx39]

One other question for anyone who has parsed, have you tried parsing on different targets? I’ve heard in velious with higher AC you want to focus on fast weapons which rely heavily on damage bonus (epics fists would seem to shine here).

I’ve also thought that AC/SOS might really struggled for these encounters as they’re essentially two very slow 1 handed weapons which rely on good inherent ratios vs damage bonus. OP might be asking about green era, but Velious will be out there soon too.

***bonus question*** Is there a good parser or set up guide you’d recommend I’ve been wanting to experiment myself and might just need to bite the bullet.

[TripleLegit]

Well now I’m back to confused between two opinions HAHA

[Man0warr]

If you are on Blue, then 2H weapons are viable or in some cases the highest DPS weapons, tanking or otherwise. If you are on Green, then 1H weapons surpass 2H options like T-Staff in the early 50s in a non-tanking situation, until the final Velious patch. Simple as that.

[TripleLegit]

And then of course there is offhand Scepter of mastery versus Stave of shielding.

Yeah I’m on Blue.

[Toxigen]

Just go IFS (or T staff if plenty of plat).

Peacebringer sucks its too heavy.

[circlerogue]

Has anyone every parsed the DPS of a Blam Stick (https://wiki.project1999.com/Blam_Stick)? Based on its high delay, I assumed that the amazing ratio would be negated by a faster weapon's damage bonus, but a friend of mine swears that the damage bonus of the Blam Stick is better than that of faster one-handers.

Also, how does the DPS of a Herb Spade (https://wiki.project1999.com/Herbalist%27s_Spade) compare to a T-staff? With a slower delay, I would assume the damage bonus is better

[jijii]

Dmg bonus is static for all 1h. Friend is wrong. Blam stick is decent because of the ratio, not because of a better bonus.

T-staff is better than herb spade. The ratio more than covers the gap of the very slightly better bonus on herb spade, and that’s before the proc.

T-staff is fantastic. If you can afford it, it’s absolutely worth using in nearly every scenario, if you don’t have access to outright superior ratio (raid target) weps.

[TripleLegit]

Looks like I’m selling my SOS today….

[Crede]

Looks like I’m selling my SOS today….

Don’t do that…the proc alone is worth getting a sos

[Baler]

Looks like I’m selling my SOS today….

How much you want for it?

[Toxigen]

T-staff is fantastic. If you can afford it, it’s absolutely worth using in nearly every scenario, if you don’t have access to outright superior ratio (raid target) weps.

This.

Also if you're a raiding monk save up a little for this absolute banger budget dkp weapon (https://wiki.project1999.com/Facesmasher).

[TripleLegit]

This.

Also if you're a raiding monk save up a little for this absolute banger budget dkp weapon (https://wiki.project1999.com/Facesmasher).

Dem stats doh. 😱

[TripleLegit]

How much you want for it?

2kpp

[Graahle]

Facesmasher is such a monstrosity of a weapon for the era.

[Toxigen]

Facesmasher is such a monstrosity of a weapon for the era.

For not needing to go nuts raiding to acquire the DKP for an Abashi's nor worrying about VP (Bo Staff) / ST (primal).....its a ton of value for the amount of total time you'll spend to acquire it especially with bag limits in place.

Its a casual raider's wet dream.

[Crede]

For not needing to go nuts raiding to acquire the DKP for an Abashi's nor worrying about VP (Bo Staff) / ST (primal).....its a ton of value for the amount of total time you'll spend to acquire it especially with bag limits in place.

Its a casual raider's wet dream.

It looks like OT hammer though, terrible fashion fail.

[wagorf]

It looks like OT hammer though, terrible fashion fail.

[Stonewallx39]

It looks like OT hammer though, terrible fashion fail.

<Gasp> that’s worth the time to VP key in and of itself!

Fashionquest is end game priority…

[Toxigen]

It looks like OT hammer though, terrible fashion fail.

this is very true

if you wanna ball hard you gotta go hard

[meathook]

I've done extensive parsing with various combinations of kunark weapons. Best DPS combo is Wu fist/SoS followed by T-staff if you account for proc damage. T staff is even better than Bo Staff of Trorsmang if you account for 2 procs per minute, assuming max DEX.

This only applies to Green in the current timeline.

[Bardp1999]

Can confirm it feels really bad equipping Facesmasher because of the poor fashion- However it is an incredible budget item because its 4th BiS or whatever so no one wants it - I have also accidently gated myself because I thought I had the Facesmasher on and i had OT hammer equipped (more than once)

[Toxigen]

Can confirm it feels really bad equipping Facesmasher because of the poor fashion- However it is an incredible budget item because its 4th BiS or whatever so no one wants it - I have also accidently gated myself because I thought I had the Facesmasher on and i had OT hammer equipped (more than once)

hah, yup

shaman buddy: well guess im gating out of this mess you left me in

[Stonewallx39]

In Velious era, is there a rule of thumb for how to determine which mobs to use 2hb on vs epic?

When fighting a high AC mob (let’s say like a King Tormax?) if you should use epic, do you keep SoS in offhand? I suppose there’s no benefit from damage bonus so you just go with best ratio.

[Ravager]

In Velious era, is there a rule of thumb for how to determine which mobs to use 2hb on vs epic?

When fighting a high AC mob (let’s say like a King Tormax?) if you should use epic, do you keep SoS in offhand? I suppose there’s no benefit from damage bonus so you just go with best ratio.

Yes, SoS offhand. Don't use epic on a mob with a damage shield. Do use epic on mobs you're trying to push.

[bradsamma]

Yes, SoS offhand. Don't use epic on a mob with a damage shield. Do use epic on mobs you're trying to push.


Push does basically nothing now.

[Ravager]

Push does basically nothing now.

That's lame. I guess if you're a monk with an epic then, buy a bunch of instant click Gnomish Fireworks, keep those on you at all times and when you need to look like you're doing something useful, spam the crap out of them.

[rubicaant]

2 handers get a high dmg bonus, but it doesn't scale up with the slower delay as much as it should. The sweet spot is actually around 30ish delay, that's why Tstaff gets closer to Shovel of the Harvest and other Ntov 2handers than you think it would.