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Penish
05-22-2021, 09:41 AM
Do you prefer serious degenerative brain disorders, or a healthy orange glow of smug?

starkind
05-22-2021, 09:42 AM
i rarely use my left hand to masterbate

Penish
05-22-2021, 09:44 AM
Damn Guav you're ontop of shit ;)

Gravydoo II
05-22-2021, 10:48 AM
I got a new band saw. Well its new, to me.

Gravydoo II
05-22-2021, 10:52 AM
This should be about

Procharger Vs Turbo

Nitrous vs Procharger

Blower vs Procharger

starkind
05-22-2021, 11:21 AM
I prefer manual to electric or gas. Or steam.

But thats me.

Also i'm old and dead so it don't matter, i aint doin nuffin without at least some gasoline

Gravydoo II
05-22-2021, 11:31 AM
I used to drive a steam powered ship. It was fucking sick. Nuclear ships are just steam ships. Hot rock, boil water, make steam, spin turbines, power. Most powerful thing Ive ever driven, steam powered. lol

starkind
05-22-2021, 12:00 PM
I used to drive a steam powered ship. It was fucking sick. Nuclear ships are just steam ships. Hot rock, boil water, make steam, spin turbines, power. Most powerful thing Ive ever driven, steam powered. lol

This says a lot about u that i wont dox. God bless.

Gravydoo II
05-22-2021, 12:28 PM
Well, lets not do that. Kinda narrows me down to Navy, nuclear powered ship, deck dept or undesignated. Yes, they really put 18 year old kids at the wheel of war ships. Every hour of every day, if that ship is moving, a human being is driving it. Sometimes with the phone chord wrapped around their neck so they can lean forward and sleep standing up, like a horse. Sometimes, with their erect penis steering.

Botten
05-22-2021, 12:34 PM
Do you prefer serious degenerative brain disorders, or a healthy orange glow of smug?

The legacy of the previous administration will live infamously in others minds; as with its orange smug oozing class.

"Be our guest! Be our guest!
Put our White House service to the test
Tie your napkin 'round your orange neck,
There is diet coke to make up for what you ingest

https://i.imgur.com/DLJCRy1.png

lol that orange frown

GinnasP99
05-22-2021, 12:36 PM
I always crank it with my left hand. I'm left handed tho

Gravydoo II
05-22-2021, 12:45 PM
https://i.imgur.com/DLJCRy1.png

lol that orange frown

He looks like hes about to say something really fucking stupid. Like something that set humanity back. Probably the reason aliens dont talk to us, from that, right there. The guy from home alone II.

Byue
05-23-2021, 07:21 PM
Just a friendly reminder that if you want to pass someone, you need to go left.

Danth
05-23-2021, 07:24 PM
Just a friendly reminder that if you want to pass someone, you need to go left.

Ignoring the political witticism: Aren't you allowed to pass on the right in Quebec? I'm not up to speed with foreign traffic laws but it's a-okay here.

With respect to the original post, I don't much care for brain disorders but I don't love the color orange either. Either side's been too authoritarian of late for my liking.

Danth

Byue
05-23-2021, 07:35 PM
It is not something I want to research in-depth but it feels like most states want you to keep your right, and pass on the left.


It's a lot safer.
And a lot of states also think you should do it this way.


And most of the world does as well.
Historically, right is the friend of the king and left, is the plebes.

Whether you are right winger or left winger hugely depends on how you see yourself.
I you think you are this close from never having to deal with poor people, you tend to go right wing.

If you know how lucky you are, wherever you find yourself on the social ladder, you tend to go left.


If you think that being ill is part of your personality, or having a broken arm which makes you unable to work is a personality disorder for losers' who want hands out, you vote right if you know that however good you got it right now, it can all go in an instant, you will go left.

Patriam1066
05-23-2021, 07:36 PM
I can’t understand how McDonald’s is still in business

Have you fuckers ever had a vegetable? Seek Christ

Pulgasari
05-23-2021, 08:15 PM
https://i.imgur.com/zxAxPiK.jpg

The Blood War was an ancient conflict that raged between the fiends of the Lower planes. (https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_War)

zodium
05-24-2021, 07:58 AM
https://i.imgur.com/gMyM3Pf.jpg

Pulgasari
05-24-2021, 11:51 AM
https://i.imgur.com/dZOg3lS.jpg

Byue
05-24-2021, 11:59 AM
I love seeing people with no to little capital call themselves capitalist and trash a system they know nothing about despite the whole system being explained in 27 pages in its original manifesto.


Something interesting: Karl Marx theorized that sooner rather than later, in capitalisms the concentration of wealth would be inevitable and people laughed at him, telling him he did not understand capitalism very well.


I remember reading back in 2010 that 80 dudes owned as much as 3.5 billion other people.

Now it is 26 dudes own as much as 45% of humanity.


Karl Marx was an idiot before his time I guess.

zodium
05-24-2021, 12:10 PM
rivervale is norrath's only democratic state.

Pulgasari
05-24-2021, 12:19 PM
The Wall Patrol and it's edifice are an endeavour in rent-seeking from so-called "goblin smugglers."

zodium
05-24-2021, 12:22 PM
oh, so you support goblin terrorism? curious.

Gravydoo II
05-24-2021, 02:47 PM
Byue has a point. When people use words they dont understand like "marxist" and "socialism" or "communism" it just shows how fucking stupid they are. Ask em what a pillar of marxism is and they change the subject or run, every single time.

Getting a job you enjoy is part of marxism. WHOOOAAOAOOAOAAOAOAOAO so fucking evil. That must have killed so many people by itself...

zodium
05-24-2021, 03:20 PM
Getting a job you enjoy is part of marxism.

tfw u definitely understand marxism

Pulgasari
05-24-2021, 03:28 PM
tfw when vox and nagafen's miscenation created the apocalypse :D

Domo
05-24-2021, 03:48 PM
The USA dont have a left wing party. You have a super-right-wing and a leaning center-right party.

Jibartik
05-24-2021, 03:51 PM
"real communism has never been tried"

Horza
05-24-2021, 03:55 PM
Anyone else find it really funny when people like Jibartik say Biden is a dangerous radical?

Jibartik
05-24-2021, 04:14 PM
I voted for that dangerous radical you fool.

bubur
05-24-2021, 04:17 PM
best entertainment is left vs left

Horza
05-24-2021, 04:19 PM
I voted for that dangerous radical you fool.

Why would you lie to me? :p

Jibartik
05-24-2021, 04:27 PM
Ive never even voted for a republican in a local electoin Id wager.

Patriam1066
05-24-2021, 05:15 PM
Democrats can’t govern at the local level and republicans can’t govern at the federal level

hope this helps!

Jibartik
05-24-2021, 05:17 PM
Ive found both cant govern.

Once you realize that, that helps.

Pulgasari
05-24-2021, 05:20 PM
Ive found both cant govern.

Once you realize that, that helps.

neither can govern unilateryy because of the senate filibuster

whether u think that's good or bad is a different question

zodium
05-24-2021, 06:32 PM
Living as they do in a bipolar political world where politics consists of Democrats and Republicans and no other ideology is real, media corporations in the United States use "left," "liberal" and "Democrat" as synonyms. This is obviously wrong and clearly untrue -- Democrats are a party, leftism and liberalism are ideologies, and Democratic politics are frequently neither left nor liberal but far right -- but as Orwell observed, after you hear a lie repeated enough times, you begin to question what you know to be true rather than the untruth.

Sometimes it's useful in this postmodern era to remind ourselves that words still have meaning, that distinctions make a difference.

Let us now delineate the difference between liberals and leftists.

Bernie Sanders votes and caucuses with the Democratic Party, campaigns as an independent and self-identifies as a "democratic socialist" -- an ideology without a party in the U.S. but that draws comparisons to Scandinavia. His stances on the issues are left of center, but American politics have drifted so far right that he's really a paleo-Democrat. There's no daylight between Sanders 2020 and McGovern 1972. No wonder voters are confused!

Liberals and leftists want many of the same things: reduced income inequality, better working conditions, more affordable housing and health care. There are differences of degrees. A liberal wants the gap between rich and poor to shrink; a communist wants no class differences at all. They're very different when it comes to foreign policy: Liberals support some wars of choice, whereas leftists would only turn to the military for self-defense.

It is tempting to conclude, as I used to and many people still do, that there is enough overlap between the two to justify, even require, cooperation. Liberals and leftists both want to save the planet and the human race from climate change. Why not join forces to fight the polluters and their allies, the denialists?

The Nobel-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz is the ultimate liberal: a professor at Columbia, ex-chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers and former chief economist for the World Bank. An op-ed he recently published in The New York Times provides a perfect illustration of why a lasting working relationship between liberals and leftists will always be a pipe dream.

As is often the case with screeds by smart liberals, there is a lot to like in "Progressive Capitalism Is Not an Oxymoron." (Let's get the obvious out of the way: Yes, it is.)

Stiglitz correctly identifies the problem: "Despite the lowest unemployment rates since the late 1960s, the American economy is failing its citizens. Some 90 percent have seen their incomes stagnate or decline in the past 30 years. This is not surprising, given that the United States has the highest level of inequality among the advanced countries and one of the lowest levels of opportunity."

He correctly apportions the blame on "wealth-grabbing (or, as economists call it, rent-seeking)," businesses like hedge fund management that do not create anything but profits and the legacy of Reaganism: "Just as forces of globalization and technological change were contributing to growing inequality, we adopted policies that worsened societal inequities," Stiglitz writes. "We relied more on markets and scaled back social protections."

Then: "We could and should have provided more assistance to affected workers (just as we should provide assistance to workers who lose their jobs as a result of technological change), but corporate interests opposed it. A weaker labor market conveniently meant lower labor costs at home to complement the cheap labor businesses employed abroad. We are now in a vicious cycle: Greater economic inequality is leading, in our money-driven political system, to more political inequality, with weaker rules and deregulation causing still more economic inequality." Boom! This.

Liberals like Stiglitz and leftists like me part ways when the discussion turns to solution. As Lenin asked, What is to be done?

Stiglitz answers: "It begins by recognizing the vital role that the state plays in making markets serve society. We need regulations that ensure strong competition without abusive exploitation, realigning the relationship between corporations and the workers they employ and the customers they are supposed to serve. ...

"Government action is required," he says.

We need "a new social contract between voters and elected officials, between workers and corporations, between rich and poor, and between those with jobs and those who are un- or underemployed," he says.

Stiglitz knows what is to be done. Mostly, he's right. What he wants might not be enough. But it would do more good than harm.

What he does not know is how to make his proposals happen. Like the politics of all liberals, his is a toothless musing, a vacuous fantasy.

He said it himself: "Greater economic inequality is leading, in our money-driven political system, to more political inequality, with weaker rules and deregulation causing still more economic inequality." This late-capitalism death spiral will not cure itself. There is no world in which corporations and their pet politicians and corrupt media propagandists will "recognize the vital role of the state." They will not regulate themselves. They will not create "a new social contract."

They are rich and powerful. The rich do not wake up one day and say to themselves: "Time to stop being a selfish ass. I'm going to redistribute my income." The powerful do not care that the weak are miserable.

Money gets taken away from the rich one way: by force. The powerful are divested of their privileges the same way: when they have no choice.

Liberals and leftists identify many of the same problems. Only leftists understand that real solutions require serious pressure on the ruling elites. The credible threat of force -- for example, a peaceful protest that could turn violent -- may be enough to force reforms. But reforms always get rolled back after the left stops watching. Ultimately, the rulers will have to be removed via revolution, a process that requires violence.

Liberals do not demand change; they ask nicely. Because they oppose violence and credible threats of violence, they tacitly oppose fundamental change in the existing structure of politics and society. Unlike leftists, they are unwilling to risk their petty privileges in order to obtain the reforms they claim to crave. So, when push comes to shove, liberals will ultimately sell out their radical allies to the powers that be. And they will run away at the first sign of state oppression.

If you can't trust your ally, they are no ally at all.

Jibartik
05-24-2021, 06:34 PM
Hey man, I just want the most amount of people to be happy.

Idk about all that stuff.

zodium
05-24-2021, 06:40 PM
libs bad. leftists good.

Patriam1066
05-24-2021, 06:43 PM
Hahahaha the communist is advocating for violence

Shocker. :rolleyes:

zodium
05-24-2021, 06:45 PM
Hahahaha the communist is advocating for violence

Shocker. :rolleyes:

pacifist coward

Jibartik
05-24-2021, 06:46 PM
It takes war to end war!

zodium
05-24-2021, 06:46 PM
revolutionary wars are good, and easy to win

Jibartik
05-24-2021, 06:47 PM
It takes war to make peace!

Patriam1066
05-24-2021, 06:48 PM
pacifist coward

I just don’t have fever dreams about killing innocents

Sorry about that buddy! You do you though

Patriam1066
05-24-2021, 06:49 PM
Zodium aka Kyle rittenhouse

zodium
05-24-2021, 06:50 PM
I just don’t have fever dreams about killing innocents

Sorry about that buddy! You do you though

i don't have fever dreams of killing the innocent. i have fever dreams of the innocent killing me.

Patriam1066
05-24-2021, 06:53 PM
Go commit violence due to your feelings of inadequacy and misguided ideology Kyle

Won’t be as easy as you think and will neither make you feel better nor accomplish anything, but at least you’ll be infamous!

(Sad BIGLY)

Pulgasari
05-24-2021, 06:53 PM
Living as they do in a bipolar political world where politics consists of Democrats and Republicans and no other ideology is real, media corporations in the United States use "left," "liberal" and "Democrat" as synonyms. This is obviously wrong and clearly untrue -- Democrats are a party, leftism and liberalism are ideologies, and Democratic politics are frequently neither left nor liberal but far right -- but as Orwell observed, after you hear a lie repeated enough times, you begin to question what you know to be true rather than the untruth.

Sometimes it's useful in this postmodern era to remind ourselves that words still have meaning, that distinctions make a difference.

Let us now delineate the difference between liberals and leftists.

Bernie Sanders votes and caucuses with the Democratic Party, campaigns as an independent and self-identifies as a "democratic socialist" -- an ideology without a party in the U.S. but that draws comparisons to Scandinavia. His stances on the issues are left of center, but American politics have drifted so far right that he's really a paleo-Democrat. There's no daylight between Sanders 2020 and McGovern 1972. No wonder voters are confused!

Liberals and leftists want many of the same things: reduced income inequality, better working conditions, more affordable housing and health care. There are differences of degrees. A liberal wants the gap between rich and poor to shrink; a communist wants no class differences at all. They're very different when it comes to foreign policy: Liberals support some wars of choice, whereas leftists would only turn to the military for self-defense.

It is tempting to conclude, as I used to and many people still do, that there is enough overlap between the two to justify, even require, cooperation. Liberals and leftists both want to save the planet and the human race from climate change. Why not join forces to fight the polluters and their allies, the denialists?

The Nobel-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz is the ultimate liberal: a professor at Columbia, ex-chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers and former chief economist for the World Bank. An op-ed he recently published in The New York Times provides a perfect illustration of why a lasting working relationship between liberals and leftists will always be a pipe dream.

As is often the case with screeds by smart liberals, there is a lot to like in "Progressive Capitalism Is Not an Oxymoron." (Let's get the obvious out of the way: Yes, it is.)

Stiglitz correctly identifies the problem: "Despite the lowest unemployment rates since the late 1960s, the American economy is failing its citizens. Some 90 percent have seen their incomes stagnate or decline in the past 30 years. This is not surprising, given that the United States has the highest level of inequality among the advanced countries and one of the lowest levels of opportunity."

He correctly apportions the blame on "wealth-grabbing (or, as economists call it, rent-seeking)," businesses like hedge fund management that do not create anything but profits and the legacy of Reaganism: "Just as forces of globalization and technological change were contributing to growing inequality, we adopted policies that worsened societal inequities," Stiglitz writes. "We relied more on markets and scaled back social protections."

Then: "We could and should have provided more assistance to affected workers (just as we should provide assistance to workers who lose their jobs as a result of technological change), but corporate interests opposed it. A weaker labor market conveniently meant lower labor costs at home to complement the cheap labor businesses employed abroad. We are now in a vicious cycle: Greater economic inequality is leading, in our money-driven political system, to more political inequality, with weaker rules and deregulation causing still more economic inequality." Boom! This.

Liberals like Stiglitz and leftists like me part ways when the discussion turns to solution. As Lenin asked, What is to be done?

Stiglitz answers: "It begins by recognizing the vital role that the state plays in making markets serve society. We need regulations that ensure strong competition without abusive exploitation, realigning the relationship between corporations and the workers they employ and the customers they are supposed to serve. ...

"Government action is required," he says.

We need "a new social contract between voters and elected officials, between workers and corporations, between rich and poor, and between those with jobs and those who are un- or underemployed," he says.

Stiglitz knows what is to be done. Mostly, he's right. What he wants might not be enough. But it would do more good than harm.

What he does not know is how to make his proposals happen. Like the politics of all liberals, his is a toothless musing, a vacuous fantasy.

He said it himself: "Greater economic inequality is leading, in our money-driven political system, to more political inequality, with weaker rules and deregulation causing still more economic inequality." This late-capitalism death spiral will not cure itself. There is no world in which corporations and their pet politicians and corrupt media propagandists will "recognize the vital role of the state." They will not regulate themselves. They will not create "a new social contract."

They are rich and powerful. The rich do not wake up one day and say to themselves: "Time to stop being a selfish ass. I'm going to redistribute my income." The powerful do not care that the weak are miserable.

Money gets taken away from the rich one way: by force. The powerful are divested of their privileges the same way: when they have no choice.

Liberals and leftists identify many of the same problems. Only leftists understand that real solutions require serious pressure on the ruling elites. The credible threat of force -- for example, a peaceful protest that could turn violent -- may be enough to force reforms. But reforms always get rolled back after the left stops watching. Ultimately, the rulers will have to be removed via revolution, a process that requires violence.

Liberals do not demand change; they ask nicely. Because they oppose violence and credible threats of violence, they tacitly oppose fundamental change in the existing structure of politics and society. Unlike leftists, they are unwilling to risk their petty privileges in order to obtain the reforms they claim to crave. So, when push comes to shove, liberals will ultimately sell out their radical allies to the powers that be. And they will run away at the first sign of state oppression.

If you can't trust your ally, they are no ally at all.

libs bad. leftists good.

Hey man. Excoriating social democracy is an own goal, as you footie-lovers would call it. :p

Gustoo
05-24-2021, 06:53 PM
But reforms always get rolled back after the left stops watching. Ultimately, the rulers will have to be removed via revolution, a process that requires violence.



Like many, you have left an actual solution out of your proposal. It is one thing to dethrone kings and decapitate politicians, but it is an entirely different thing to replace a faulty system with a more functional one. Part of the problem today is that people can seldom agree what "Good" even is, or what "Progress" even is.

So after consuming tremendous quantities of lives and tremendous quantities of life sustaining resources, how would you create a system in the United States that allows us each more access to peace and liberty and joy than we have now? Keeping in mind the fact that the rest of the globe may still exist unchanged during this revolutionary period.

So perhaps draw out two scenarios:

1. USA has a second violent civil war, and the rebels this time are victors, what system would you replace ours with?

2. USA has a second violent civil war, and most of the developed world has a similar civil war. what system would you replace ours with? How would you avoid Dark Ages 2.0?

Gustoo
05-24-2021, 06:58 PM
It's just really easy to identify problems (turns out, its humanity) and very difficult to identify solutions (turns out, humanity fails to be good) so system wise I don't know of any better ones on the market right now. Take note that every user on this messageboard is free to have this discussion and is well fed (some too well fed) in this current system. While we may be fleeced, we are fat and well nourished so our fleece is hi-test.

zodium
05-24-2021, 07:01 PM
yeah, i don't think there are any good options left on the table for americans. your forefathers had a choice between socialism or the mutual ruin of the competing classes, and they chose ruin. sorry.

Patriam1066
05-24-2021, 07:01 PM
We need talented people going into the jobs that matter instead of trying to be YouTube celebrities or Bitcoin millionaires. 99% of you will never be famous, but you could make a difference. Sadly, you weren’t beaten as boys, and as such never became men. Time to grow up boys, your country and your God needs you

Patriam1066
05-24-2021, 07:06 PM
You got it deleted too quickly

And nah only like 20-25%

Gustoo
05-24-2021, 07:06 PM
I have personally observed at the highest salaried levels, the smartest people who have earned those positions wasting their time on non productive tasks as a result of some twisted mandate they have at the board level, or perhaps because of the design of their incentive package. Mid level operators saying "Hey, why don't we do this because THAT would be cost us a lot of money" and then executive leadership saying "We need to do this for more important reasons than just making the company operate correctly"

One of my fears is that this is actually prevalent and that my relatively small sample size is actually indicative of landscape of corporations with boards and stuff.

Companies ran by wiley sole proprieters that don't expect, have, want, or need any outside money will continue to compete tooth and nail for profitable business, whether it be sales or somewhat corrupt and highly profitable (as they always are) government contracts. These businesses are good ones, but many businesses are not in this category.

So thats a problem.

zodium
05-24-2021, 07:07 PM
We need talented people going into the jobs that matter instead of trying to be YouTube celebrities or Bitcoin millionaires. 99% of you will never be famous, but you could make a difference. Sadly, you weren’t beaten as boys, and as such never became men. Time to grow up boys, your country and your God needs you

lol too bad, all the physicists that used to invent shit are making dollars developing high frequency trading algorithm for some bank now

Gustoo
05-24-2021, 07:08 PM
yeah, i don't think there are any good options left on the table for americans. your forefathers had a choice between socialism or the mutual ruin of the competing classes, and they chose ruin. sorry.

If that is your position than a revolution as you espouse is utter waste and only causes more death and waste than the status quo.

Best case scenario we try love eachother. Shitbox systems will fall into line. Keep on saying everyone loser deserves to be one and we will all be losers. Make it or break it.

Jibartik
05-24-2021, 07:08 PM
And nah only like 20-25%

lol you saw that I thought I erased it fast enough lol what a raycist thing I said lmao

Gustoo
05-24-2021, 07:09 PM
lol too bad, all the physicists that used to invent shit are making dollars developing high frequency trading algorithm for some bank now

And anyone creative got shut out of physics degree because of college math weed out process to only bring psychopaths into the fold (all sciences) so we they can work on population ending viruses and stuff with no moral qualms.

zodium
05-24-2021, 07:12 PM
If that is your position than a revolution as you espouse is utter waste and only causes more death and waste than the status quo.

Best case scenario we try love eachother. Shitbox systems will fall into line. Keep on saying everyone loser deserves to be one and we will all be losers. Make it or break it.

a revolution in america would accelerate the american empire's ongoing collapse, liberating almost the entire global south from the american yoke.

Patriam1066
05-24-2021, 07:17 PM
The american yoke, meaning vaccine distribution and a dramatic reduction in HIV/AIDS and poverty

You are as delusional as Qanon followers heheheheh

Gustoo
05-24-2021, 07:18 PM
a revolution in america would accelerate the american empire's ongoing collapse, liberating almost the entire global south from the american yoke.

Thats a hilarious statement, considering China's ambitions and current actions in their sphere of influence, including Africa.

America alone being a pile of rubble would only lend relative strength to the nations that have claimed to be our enemies, namely Russia and China, neither of which have been shown to have any more interest than the united states in human rights, whatever those are.

Gustoo
05-24-2021, 07:20 PM
Indeed - in this global system, the USA is on the side of GOOD relative to the competing powers. Exploitive neo-colonial influences abroad are very unfortunate and my least favorite thing, but these are not exclusively perpetrated by the United States, and in fact are mostly perpetrated by global corporate actors who's money and power now transcends the influence of any single Nation State.

zodium
05-24-2021, 07:22 PM
Indeed - in this global system, the USA is on the side of GOOD relative to the competing powers.

irl lol

Pulgasari
05-24-2021, 07:23 PM
The american yoke, meaning vaccine distribution and a dramatic reduction in HIV/AIDS and poverty

You are as delusional as Qanon followers heheheheh

word. PEPFAR is an example of what the Trips waiver should be, because their isn't sufficient pharmaceutical manufacturing anywhere else on this planet.

We're gonna save the world, again or for a third time? I've lost count. :cool:

Gustoo
05-24-2021, 07:40 PM
irl lol

Show me the better good guys here? Russia? China? No other options.

The remaining countries may be viewed as victims. Show me a better victimizer, or a way to get rid of the lot of them and replace with something better.

Patriam1066
05-24-2021, 07:43 PM
He just wants to kill people in a communist uprising bud. He isn’t making an argument in good faith

Toehammer
05-26-2021, 08:02 AM
lol too bad, all the physicists that used to invent shit are making dollars developing high frequency trading algorithm for some bank now

This is a bigger problem than people realize, and it links back to China. First year in the Physics PhD program (top-10 R1 school), 10/15 were Chinese. 11/15 of us passed qualifying exams and got to finish the PhD, and I think 3/11 are on wall street, probably running some NS or BS equations to optimize some 3rd decimal place. The biggest problem in physics; too many of the bright theorists pursue string theory, although the siphoning of talented minds to wall street is a problem as well.

Although I find the normal communist nonsense tired and boring, one sane point the anti-capitalists make is that the majority of the financial services industry is just wasted energy (much like bitcoin mining). Of course, good capitalists make this same point. Wall street is principally middle men siphoning off money from people who produce something of value... can literally replace all advisors with broad market index funds and the world would be fine. The only knowledgeable people who say otherwise have skin in the game.

And anyone creative got shut out of physics degree because of college math weed out process to only bring psychopaths into the fold (all sciences) so we they can work on population ending viruses and stuff with no moral qualms.

I understand what you are trying to say, but disagree. Creativity is the unifying trait amongst physicists. It takes substantial imagination to understand the way things are.

If a mathematically challenged student is not creative or tenacious enough to formulate good study habits to master calculus, they are not worthy of the keys to unlocking mother nature's gates of knowledge. The "weed out process" is the only thing between you and collapsed bridges. It should be embraced.

starkind
05-26-2021, 08:23 AM
https://i.imgur.com/zxAxPiK.jpg

The Blood War was an ancient conflict that raged between the fiends of the Lower planes. (https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_War)

best entertainment is left vs left

zodium
05-26-2021, 08:30 AM
Although I find the normal communist nonsense tired and boring, one sane point the anti-capitalists make is that the majority of the financial services industry is just wasted energy (much like bitcoin mining). Of course, good capitalists make this same point. Wall street is principally middle men siphoning off money from people who produce something of value... can literally replace all advisors with broad market index funds and the world would be fine. The only knowledgeable people who say otherwise have skin in the game.

The enormous dimensions of finance capital concentrated in a few hands and creating an extraordinarily dense and widespread network of relationships and connections which subordinates not only the small and medium, but also the very small capitalists and small masters, on the one hand, and the increasingly intense struggle waged against other national state groups of financiers for the division of the world and domination over other countries, on the other hand, cause the propertied classes to go over entirely to the side of imperialism. “General” enthusiasm over the prospects of imperialism, furious defence of it and painting it in the brightest colours—such are the signs of the times.

Toxigen
05-26-2021, 09:33 AM
still trying to seize the means of production

Domo
05-26-2021, 10:03 AM
https://i.imgur.com/dWwtvtC.jpg

Gravydoo II
05-26-2021, 10:08 AM
You know what comes after 9mm? Nothing. Because you lost your 10mm.