Reuters, one of the most reliable journalism orgs, said...

[Wrekt]

Terrorists who attacked our capitol are mostly NOT getting plea deals.

From the article:

"Nearly four months after the U.S. Capitol attack, just one of more than 440 people charged has pleaded guilty, a sign of tough conditions set by prosecutors for plea deals and resistance by defense lawyers to their demands."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/few-plea-bargains-us-capitol-riot-cases-prosecutors-stand-firm-2021-05-21/

They thought they could attack the government and nothing was gonna happen. Peak stupidity.

Just Republican things.

[Wrekt]

"The one person who has pleaded guilty so far, Oath Keepers founding member Jon Schaffer, agreed to turn over "any and all evidence" of crimes that he was aware of and to fully cooperate with prosecutors, according to his plea deal filed in federal court."

another nugget. prosecutors don't need the stupid fucking small fish evidence because this guy already gave the motherlode.

[starkind]

So when we all march in the streets and hiel watever if I say STARKIND HIEL STARKIND will u fall in line behind starkind and make the entire world starkind?

If you can't empahthize with wht people did wrong and understand why, then there is not realy any hope for us.

Just smile if u can. It'll all be over soon.

[bubur]

https://i.imgur.com/C87l9bd.jpg

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/C87l9bd.jpg

[Pulgasari]

But legal experts said it is relatively early in this process for either prosecutors or defense lawyers to be reaching quick deals.

They're holding out for a lower sentence offer. It's routine negotiation.

Art of the deal baby!

[G13]

Reuters, one of the most reliable journalism orgs

lol

[Gravydoo II]

So when we all march in the streets and hiel watever if I say STARKIND HIEL STARKIND will u fall in line behind starkind and make the entire world starkind?

If you can't empahthize with wht people did wrong and understand why, then there is not realy any hope for us.

Just smile if u can. It'll all be over soon.

Starkind sounds like a chocolate bar similar to a a nestle crunch.

[unsunghero]

No conservative public figure ever supported the riot, unlike democrats public figures supporting the BLM riots

Trump didn't incite the riot

No one cares what happens to the rioters. Throw them in prison for the rest of their lives for all I care. Looks like their muh white privilege card just expired huh? I still have mine though luckily :)

Does your heart just break for the sentences rioters got who were responsible for deaths during the BLM riot? It doesn't? But aren't you a liberal???

Turns out non-newsworthy news is non-newsworthy. But since you mentioned it, I'm glad that shaman who claimed to be able to cast white magic is safely locked up. I'll sleep better knowing he isn't out there casting high level shaman spells

[Pulgasari]

Trump didn't incite the riot


He did though. Seek Desantis, do not seek Cruz. :)

[Horza]

No conservative public figure ever supported the riot, unlike democrats public figures supporting the BLM riots

Trump didn't incite the riot

5fiT6c0MQ58

[unsunghero]

Did you hear the guy that killed officer David Dorn during the BLM riots last year was charged with FIRST DEGREE MURDER??

Doesn't that make you sad? The guy charged was a democrat. You're a democrat. These are just democrat things. Aren't you sad that he got a first degree murder charge? Don't you think it should be a lot lighter than that?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/st-louis-man-arrested-shooting-retired-police-officer-david-dorn/index.html

This is basically how you sound btw

[unsunghero]

..

[Pulgasari]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14822&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1621747835

haha yeah weird they broke in anyway weird!

just a coincidence probley

[Horza]

Sorry your brownshirts are a bunch of boomers who didn't even manage to hang Pence.

[unsunghero]

haha yeah weird they broke in anyway weird!

just a coincidence probley

"be strong" - Trump

or

"If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them THEY'RE NOT WELCOME ANYMORE, ANYWHERE" - Maxine waters

one has liberal privilege and one doesn't. Can you figure out which?

[Pulgasari]

"be strong" - Trump

or

"If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them THEY'RE NOT WELCOME ANYMORE, ANYWHERE" - Maxine waters

one has liberal privilege and one doesn't. Can you figure out which?

did liberals sack the capitoline hill because of her words?

you're bad at this :p

[G13]

5fiT6c0MQ58

Even Wapo (Liberal Propaganda Rag) admitted Trump didn't incite the Antifa LARP

It was just a Dem Reichstag Fire anyways

[unsunghero]

ohh so does this mean that Bernie incited wanna-be mass murderer James Hodgkinson. I mean Bernie was awfully critical of the GOP, and then one of his supporters tries to mass murder the GOP

Sounds like incitement to me

[unsunghero]

What about Antifa shooter who killed a Trump supporter?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-is-known-of-michael-reinoehl-person-of-interest-in-portland-killing-11599087170

Which politician can I pin that one on? He was extremely anti-police, maybe I'll just pick whatever democrat politician happened to say something negative about trump supporters or police that day

[Pulgasari]

ohh so does this mean that Bernie incited wanna-be mass murderer James Hodgkinson. I mean Bernie was awfully critical of the GOP, and then one of his supporters tries to mass murder the GOP

Sounds like incitement to me

I like the guy but he's done a lot of damage to this country. An entire generation has fallen to idiocy.

Am I talking about Bernie or am I talking about Trump?

[Horza]

I was a little worried about the midterms but Republicans at every level of the party doubling down on supporting violent insurrection is very reassuring.

[unsunghero]

Also, the antifa supporter who walked up and shot a trump supporter in the face during a BLM protest was charged with second degree murder and unlawful use of a weapon

Doesn't that make you sad? He was a democrat. Did you think he was going to get a lighter sentence? I bet you're sad about his sentence

Just democrat things

[Pulgasari]

Also, the antifa supporter who walked up and shot a trump supporter in the face during a BLM protest was charged with second degree murder and unlawful use of a weapon

Doesn't that make you sad? He was a democrat. Did you think he was going to get a lighter sentence? I bet you're sad about his sentence

Just democrat things

I dunno who you're talking about, is it Reinoehl? I'm glad he got got.

[unsunghero]

I dunno who you're talking about, is it Reinoehl? I'm glad he got got.

you're catching on. Same thing conservatives think for the jan 6th rioters' sentences

That's why it's hilarious and ridiculous that the OP reads out their sentences as if their sentences are supposed to make conservatives sad or something

This entire thread is pointless. Like I said, no conservative is going to get even remotely bent out of shape that the jan 6th rioters got stiff sentences. Just like no democrat (except Horza) is going to get remotely bent out of shape about Reinoehl's sentence. Reinoehl was probably Horza's best commie bro though

[Pulgasari]

you're catching on. Same thing conservatives think for the jan 6th rioters' sentences

That's why it's hilarious and ridiculous that the OP reads out their sentences as if their sentences are supposed to make conservatives sad or something

This entire thread is pointless. Like I said, no conservative is going to get even remotely bent out of shape that the jan 6th rioters got stiff sentences. Just like no democrat (except Horza) is going to get remotely bent out of shape about Reinoehl's sentence. Reinoehl was probably Horza's best commie bro

Fwiw they took him down in the town I live. Could walk there in 20 minutes.

Greetings from bumfuck, WA! Literally "bumfuck" we have a lot of them.

I do think they'll get better plea deals than the initial offer so far.

[Horza]

Reinoehl's sentence? It's not like he was trying to storm Congress, they executed him already.

[unsunghero]

Fwiw they took him down in the town I live. Could walk there in 20 minutes.

Greetings from bumfuck, WA! Literally "bumfuck" we have a lot of them.

I do think they'll get better plea deals than the initial offer so far.

oh shit. Wild. All we had during the BLM riots was the stupid Jake Paul looting incident

ALTHOUGH, years ago we had the white dude who was executed by police while attempting to crawl unarmed with his hands in the air. That happened in a hotel probably 30ish mins from where I live. Dude was white though so no murals, no celebs wearing his face on their t-shirts. Lebron doesn't even know he existed

[unsunghero]

Reinoehl's sentence? It's not like he was trying to storm Congress, they executed him already.

yeah breaking into a federal building is way worse than shooting an innocent person in the face in Horza's eyes. Or is it that the victim was a Trump supporter, and therefore less than human? Right, Hitler?

[Pulgasari]

Reinoehl's sentence? It's not like he was trying to storm Congress, they executed him already.

Posse rode out and got their man. Clean.

[Horza]

Posse rode out and got their man. Clean.

Party of law and order :p

[unsunghero]

Hmmm do you think WA has more bums than phoenix? So we have a place in Phoenix called Central Arizona Shelter Services, my job takes me there a lot

They have a lot of homeless outreach there, but what they don't have is enough shelter, just an overflow which is basically one gymnasium with some cots. Outside the place its tents for probably about 2 blocks in every direction. Sort of like a mini skid row. If I had to estimate, at any given time there are probably about 400ish homeless just in a single 1 block by 1 block square. CASS is super sketchy btw, if we're ever helping a homeless person who is by themselves at a park or whereever, we always advise them to stay where they are that night and go to CASS during the day. But I'd say 90% of homeless that have ever been there, never want to go back "F that! I'm not going back to CASS. I was assaulted there last year". I don't blame em

Let me check, looks like 3,767 homeless in my county last count

[Pulgasari]

They have a lot of homeless outreach there, but what they don't have is enough shelter

That's the law now. No single municipality can ever have enough shelter for the transient population, so we get to host tents in all our parks and playgrounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_v._Boise

[unsunghero]

That's the law now. No single municipality can ever have enough shelter for the transient population, so we get to host tents in all our parks and playgrounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_v._Boise

oh wow, you guys are way more lenient

in AZ I don't know of any parks where homeless are legally allowed to camp, despite us not having enough shelter either. And businesses can trespass any homeless they want. That's usually where our homeless calls come from. We hate getting them because there's nothing we can do as social workers

Police will call us from someone's business, saying a homeless person has been living on the property and needs "shelter assistance". The only emergency shelter is CASS, and if you don't get there before 4pm, you're shit out of luck for the day, the welcome center closes @ 4. Not like getting there earlier is going to matter much. There's a few shuttles that come to take people from CASS to churches for shelter, but it's hardly anyone that gets in those. A bit more than that can get in overflow, and the rest which is most of them, get nothing

So we offer CASS, the one option, the homeless person says "Fuck that! I know CASS", and the cop gets frustrated at us because we weren't able to magically pull a shelter that doesn't exist out of our asses and tells the homeless person "well you can't stay right here". And the homeless person walks off, usually not far. So long as he's not on a business property, he's usually left alone. Sidewalks and parks are ok, just no tents/camping in parks

Hell even the park that I jog at sometimes has a few homeless sleeping on picnic benches or just on the grass. And my area is pretty nice

[unsunghero]

There's some sad sights you see at CASS, and one of them is seeing a wide eyed 18-19 year old boy with clean clothes clutching a duffle bag outside CASS with a look of fear on his face

You can tell, this was a kid that was just kicked out of his house by his parents for whatever reason, and is facing homelessness for the first time, at one of the sketchiest places in phoenix. Luckily I don't see this often, because it really is a depressing sight

[Pulgasari]

oh wow, you guys are way more lenient

in AZ I don't know of any parks where homeless are legally allowed to camp, despite us not having enough shelter either. And businesses can trespass any homeless they want. That's usually where our homeless calls come from. We hate getting them because there's nothing we can do as social workers

Police will call us from someone's business, saying a homeless person has been living on the property and needs "shelter assistance". The only emergency shelter is CASS, and if you don't get there before 4pm, you're shit out of luck for the day, the welcome center closes @ 4. Not like getting there earlier is going to matter much. There's a few shuttles that come to take people from CASS to churches for shelter, but it's hardly anyone that gets in those. A bit more than that can get in overflow, and the rest which is most of them, get nothing

So we offer CASS, the one option, the homeless person says "Fuck that! I know CASS", and the cop gets frustrated at us because we weren't able to magically pull a shelter that doesn't exist out of our asses and tells the homeless person "well you can't stay right here". And the homeless person walks off, usually not far. So long as he's not on a business property, he's usually left alone. Sidewalks and parks are ok, just no tents/camping in parks

Hell even the park that I jog at sometimes has a few homeless sleeping on picnic benches or just on the grass. And my area is pretty nice

Yeah I don't know the specifics, but that case is why homelesses can kinda do whatever they want without vagrancy laws applying.

Could be wrong, but it might be time to revisit some shit!!

[Wrekt]

i bet you terrorists are sweating. i wonder if you will be able to play eq in prison

[unsunghero]

i bet you terrorists are sweating. i wonder if you will be able to play eq in prison

K if I’m a terrorist because some conservatives broke into a federal building then I guess that makes you a murderer because way more Dems killed other humans during the BLM riots

Wonder what prison will be like for you

Murderer. Did you torture animals as a kid too or was murder just a hobby u picked up as an adult?

Other question: how mad did it make you that your murdering dem friends got charged with first and second degree murder? I bet that made you real mad huh?

[unsunghero]

I’m sorry, I take it all back. Please don’t kill me like Michael Reinoehl killed Trump supporter last year

Classy looking guy. How much meth did he used to eat for breakfast I wonder? Does that mean all Dems do meth too?

[unsunghero]

..

[unsunghero]

Black Americans killed by murdering Democrats during BLM riots

Compare that to zero killed during the Jan 6th riot, other than a veteran woman shot by PD

[unsunghero]

This meme is referring to the fact that the man killed by Kyle Rittenhouse was a registered sex offender responsible for a sexual assault of a minor

[unsunghero]

Another dem murderer assaults the capital, and kills someone. Oh media didn’t push this story for weeks? That’s odd. Wonder if it had to with the perp’s skin color

[unsunghero]

Video of innocent elderly woman beat by 2x4 planks of wood by Democrat rioters during the BLM riots. So you guys like to beat up old women, huh?

How many old ladies have you beat the shit out of, Wrekt?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nkBOGamxIzs

[Horza]

The rare septuple rage post, seen only in the most desperate of Trump retards.

[unsunghero]

Video of Antifa militants destroying a Starbucks during last years Democrat riots. Ironic because Starbucks is super liberal. Turns out liberals don’t give a shit though

Hey didn’t Joe Biden say Antifa was just “an idea?”. Well looks like an idea can burn down a building. Weird!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FqWD9xeo270

[unsunghero]

Here’s a video of peaceful democrat protesters peacefully beating a cop over the head with a baseball bat during last years democrat riots

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1309064626756345860?fbclid=IwAR2Ucrdb1qjNpWX5JSJim NKd6PK8csVkAinLECllPBt23Nef5o8wZdq_-pk

[unsunghero]

Video of BLM democrats smashing up a restaurant and scaring off the guests during last year’s democrat riots

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q8QESv_t2Lk

[unsunghero]

The rare septuple rage post, seen only in the most desperate of Trump retards.

Gotta go on a cardio hike, lots more videos of peaceful Democrat rioters are coming though, don’t worry

Hmmm I may have so many I might just make a new thread for them. I could call it “what happens when democrats protest”

[Byue]

So when we all march in the streets and hiel watever if I say STARKIND HIEL STARKIND will u fall in line behind starkind and make the entire world starkind?

If you can't empahthize with wht people did wrong and understand why, then there is not realy any hope for us.

Just smile if u can. It'll all be over soon.

The plight of people who lost an election is not really a plight, they didn't lose an election, 45 did.

What, you think we felt great when 45 won?
There was tons of videos mocking libs crying.
We were not so fragile as to think the election was cheated because we believe in democracy and our institutions.

Do you put this much efforts trying to understand why the BLM movement exist, or why Ossama Bin Ladin blew shit up or do you just have this much compassion when people are white and aligned to your political ideal?


I feel for anyone stupid enough to attack a government.
Shit must be rough as fuck to give up your life like that.
And then I see it is because 45 lied and I realize some people don't really have a life to begin with.
Or brains.


Video of BLM democrats smashing up a restaurant and scaring off the guests during last year’s democrat riots



So, either you are trying to compare the two because you think it is equal, which shows us you know the january 6th events are fucked up or you bring this up because to you, fighting for civil rights is the same as backing up a lying rapist masquerading as a president.

Anyway. second amendment.
Arm antifa.
use our soros cheques to buy weapons.
civil war coming.
proud boys going down.

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/aQLTWb0.jpg

[unsunghero]

The plight of people who lost an election is not really a plight, they didn't lose an election, 45 did.

What, you think we felt great when 45 won?
There was tons of videos mocking libs crying.
We were not so fragile as to think the election was cheated because we believe in democracy and our institutions.

Do you put this much efforts trying to understand why the BLM movement exist, or why Ossama Bin Ladin blew shit up or do you just have this much compassion when people are white and aligned to your political ideal?


I feel for anyone stupid enough to attack a government.
Shit must be rough as fuck to give up your life like that.
And then I see it is because 45 lied and I realize some people don't really have a life to begin with.
Or brains.




So, either you are trying to compare the two because you think it is equal, which shows us you know the january 6th events are fucked up or you bring this up because to you, fighting for civil rights is the same as backing up a lying rapist masquerading as a president.

Anyway. second amendment.
Arm antifa.
use our soros cheques to buy weapons.
civil war coming.
proud boys going down.

If I seem extreme, it’s because I exaggerate to troll the trolls

I do empathize when innocent people are killed by PD. I think WaPO reported like a handful of unjustified police killings last year. There around 50 million+ interactions with police occurring every year and if you do a little division it shows that this “threat” is not nearly as widespread as the media attention it receives should justify. Does that mean it doesn’t happen? No. Does that mean it’s pushed by media to make money and further their political goals? Yes. Hopefully we are in agreement on that. There are no doubt things conservatives exaggerate the severity of in order to further a political goal too

[Pulgasari]

..
https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14825&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1621784814

Black Americans killed by murdering Democrats during BLM riots
https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14826&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1621785075
Compare that to zero killed during the Jan 6th riot, other than a veteran woman shot by PD

This meme is referring to the fact that the man killed by Kyle Rittenhouse was a registered sex offender responsible for a sexual assault of a minorhttps://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14827&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1621785304

Another dem murderer assaults the capital, and kills someone. Oh media didn’t push this story for weeks? That’s odd. Wonder if it had to with the perp’s skin colorhttps://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14828&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1621785522

Video of innocent elderly woman beat by 2x4 planks of wood by Democrat rioters during the BLM riots. So you guys like to beat up old women, huh?

How many old ladies have you beat the shit out of, Wrekt?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nkBOGamxIzs

Video of Antifa militants destroying a Starbucks during last years Democrat riots. Ironic because Starbucks is super liberal. Turns out liberals don’t give a shit though

Hey didn’t Joe Biden say Antifa was just “an idea?”. Well looks like an idea can burn down a building. Weird!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FqWD9xeo270

Here’s a video of peaceful democrat protesters peacefully beating a cop over the head with a baseball bat during last years democrat riots

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1309064626756345860?fbclid=IwAR2Ucrdb1qjNpWX5JSJim NKd6PK8csVkAinLECllPBt23Nef5o8wZdq_-pk

Video of BLM democrats smashing up a restaurant and scaring off the guests during last year’s democrat riots

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q8QESv_t2Lk



https://i.imgur.com/Y9Gy48F.jpg

[unsunghero]

When it comes to only caring about my own race, no that’s not me. However I will point out how hypocritical it seems that no one, not a democrat politician and no democrat, can name the names of any of these people

Whereas I can recite from memory EVERY black person killed by PD because it has been drilled into my head by our media overlords

[Byue]

Can we, as a community, come into an agreement where this kind of post is unacceptable?

Because if it is, let's get ready for a shitload of Byue's post with 56,00000000000000 images in each. One or two image already make the forum shitty, limit yourself like an adult.

We get it, right wingers need images because we seen what text does: boring and children brains need lots of stimuli or they become fickle but a meme is not political education.


There is an expression in French.
I'm sorry you see the hair in my eye but not the beam stuck in yours.



Shut eh fuck up unsunghero you could not name 5 in a row without using google.
The problem is that a police officer can kneel on the nack of someone long enough for them to plead multiple times that they can't breathe but Kyle Rittenhouse get to be arrested without getting shot.

So did James Holmes and a lot of white people who did a lot worse than sell cigarettes illegally.
Dude, some white folk in Idaho lose their fucking jobs because welcome to capitalism in their shitty underdeveloped state relying on one trick ponies and you feel deeply for them like they lost something and we should listen because 45 is a symptom and yadiyadiyada but spew vile shit like you keep spewing in your shitty posts.

yet,

When it comes to only caring about my own race, that’s me.

damn right boi!

[Horza]

Unless he uses a bunch of racial slurs or makes fun of a forum administrator for bragging about buying ten MAGA hats and telling Teppler they're on the same side, nothing is going to happen to him.

[Nocht]

All of these political shit posting threads should be locked and the prime agitators responsible for their continued bumping should be banned.

You guys are just repeating the same garbage to each other every day over and over again. Its polluted this forum and prevents future discussions of any topic to flourish because everybody is avoiding this section due to the rampant political douchebaggery at work here.

[Horza]

All of these political shit posting threads should be locked and the prime agitators responsible for their continued bumping should be banned.

You guys are just repeating the same garbage to each other every day over and over again. Its polluted this forum and prevents future discussions of any topic to flourish because everybody is avoiding this section due to the rampant political douchebaggery at work here.

Let's try to keep the off topic section on topic so Nocht can stop crying like a Trump supporter on election night.

[Gravydoo II]

accusing people of crimes, posting graphic violence, racism, spamming up threads with hundreds of images because they have lost the argument 2 weeks ago.. We get it. Trump lost. You're a racist, unsung. This dude is a 4chan boy. Its so obvious. He is WAYYYYYYYYY into it.

He's trying to turn this place into his own 4chan. We dont want it.

We get it. You think black people are sub human orcs. You just posted an image saying you do. Why would you depict them as savage animals born without parents acting as a violent mob??

[unsunghero]

Can we, as a community, come into an agreement where this kind of post is unacceptable?

Because if it is, let's get ready for a shitload of Byue's post with 56,00000000000000 images in each. One or two image already make the forum shitty, limit yourself like an adult.

We get it, right wingers need images because we seen what text does: boring and children brains need lots of stimuli or they become fickle but a meme is not political education.


There is an expression in French.
I'm sorry you see the hair in my eye but not the beam stuck in yours.



Shut eh fuck up unsunghero you could not name 5 in a row without using google.
The problem is that a police officer can kneel on the nack of someone long enough for them to plead multiple times that they can't breathe but Kyle Rittenhouse get to be arrested without getting shot.

So did James Holmes and a lot of white people who did a lot worse than sell cigarettes illegally.
Dude, some white folk in Idaho lose their fucking jobs because welcome to capitalism in their shitty underdeveloped state relying on one trick ponies and you feel deeply for them like they lost something and we should listen because 45 is a symptom and yadiyadiyada but spew vile shit like you keep spewing in your shitty posts.

yet,



damn right boi!

Freddie gray
George floyd
Michael brown
Jacob Blake (almost)
Breonna Taylor

I’m hiking atm, not going to be pulling up Google. Now you try USING Google for the white ones in that pic. See if you can even FIND them because they are far down the media memory hole. You know, the places stories go that no one cares about

And no I won’t stop posting pics. The more people whine about them, the more I’ll post

[Horza]

I’m hiking atm

Don't lie to me.

[unsunghero]

I’ll give you a hint: one of them is Daniel Shaver. I know this because he died in my hometown. He died crawling on his hands and knees unarmed FOLLOWING POLICE INSTRUCTIONS begging to not be shot

He wasn’t a career criminal trying to pass counterfeit bills while high as a kite on fentanyl and meth

And

No one gives a fuck about him

[Byue]

And no I won’t stop posting pics. The more people whine about them, the more I’ll post

This kind of doubling down the republicans do is just stupid.
Is this the kind of place you want to go where you cannot scroll because every post has a lot of images? Because we can go to there but is this what you want?
I asked nicely, grow the fuck up kido, build the future you want, both here and irl.

And this sort of answer show me you just looking to stir some shit.
Change that shit attitude of yours, mr i did not finish high school.

[Pulgasari]

accusing people of crimes, posting graphic violence, racism, spamming up threads with hundreds of images because they have lost the argument 2 weeks ago.. We get it. Trump lost. You're a racist, unsung. This dude is a 4chan boy. Its so obvious. He is WAYYYYYYYYY into it.

He's trying to turn this place into his own 4chan. We dont want it.

We get it. You think black people are sub human orcs. You just posted an image saying you do. Why would you depict them as savage animals born without parents acting as a violent mob??

Really? His memes smack of facebook conservative. :p

[unsunghero]

Don't lie to me.

Just because you never work out (and why not? You also don’t work, which means not having the time can’t be your excuse) doesn’t mean no one else does

[Horza]

Really? His memes smack of facebook conservative. :p

/pol/ and Facebook are indistinguishable these days.

[Byue]

No one gives a fuck about him


He was intoxicated.
Police were responding to gun violence.
He did not comply.


Is this some of the argument you usually use against black people?

Because this is Daniel Shaver.
He was intoxicated.
He did not comply.
There was report of gun violence.

Also, which city you live in?

[unsunghero]

This kind of doubling down the republicans do is just stupid.
Is this the kind of place you want to go where you cannot scroll because every post has a lot of images? Because we can go to there but is this what you want?
I asked nicely, grow the fuck up kido, build the future you want, both here and irl.

And this sort of answer show me you just looking to stir some shit.
Change that shit attitude of yours, mr i did not finish high school.

I agree that does suck. I honestly did not expect them to be blown up to full size. Smaller would have been fine for me

Luckily for you, /ignore exists. Are you doubling down on the “words are violence, I was being harassed and offended online with no way to get away” liberal theme song?

[Gravydoo II]

I dunno... I just get the 4chan (or whatever the fuck its called) vibe. The bombing of posts with hundreds of images of violence, its how the right ruins things. They will post tons of graphic images and videos then report or try to get the group or whatever it may be shut down from the images they posted. posting lewd images and illegal images, etc. Report to hosting service, shut down.

I understand that wont work here, but it still reminds me of that. Ive had him on ignore for over a week. I dont listen to cult members.

[unsunghero]

He was intoxicated.
Police were responding to gun violence.
He did not comply.


Is this some of the argument you usually use against black people?

Because this is Daniel Shaver.
He was intoxicated.
He did not comply.
There was report of gun violence.

Also, which city you live in?

What violence was there again? He had a pellet gun in his room with him. I was shot in the leg a pellet gun. Made me bleed through my jeans for a few minutes. That was violence

Last I checked, beer isn’t illegal. I just had some last night. Find some friends and try doing the same sometime

[unsunghero]

Pellet gun story is real. I used to hang with kids who were in and out of juvie and played shootouts with BB guns and goggles

Until one got mad at me (different reason) and chased me with a chainsaw. Then my parents forbid me going back

[Byue]

I agree that does suck. I honestly did not expect them to be blown up to full size. Smaller would have been fine for me

Luckily for you, /ignore exists. Are you doubling down on the “words are violence, I was being harassed and offended online with no way to get away” liberal theme song?

Dude this is online.
I can harass the fck out of you until I get banned and then make other accounts if I want to so this means, you can to and for all the talks about cancel culture, let me just say conservatives are very fragile people.

I'm glad you see the light with the image because it could be a shit show very fast and your answer was not acceptable because of that, not because I'm a leftist for fuck sake.


It's always easier if you imagine the other side doing it and then realize that it's wrong but you could also be a fucking grown up and realize it on your own.

Go cry that harry Potter is bad for our youth and should be cancelled (https://theconversation.com/what-do-protests-about-harry-potter-books-teach-us-79327) with your right wing friends.
Reality is tough.
And you have to deal with idiots.
I know this because I deal with you but your inability to deal with me show me that you don't want to deal with idiot, you would rather push them aside... cancelling them rather than learning to deal with people you disagree with.


Pellet gun story is real. I used to hang with kids who were in and out of juvie and played shootouts with BB guns and goggles

Until one got mad at me (different reason) and chased me with a chainsaw. Then my parents forbid me going back


so fucking retarded parents need to prevent him from going back to kids chasing him with a chainsaw.


Also, you bled.
From being shot with a pellet gun.
On your leg.
but did not pierce your jeans.

totes believable. lol


tell me again why they went and killed Floyd, while you defend the gun violence Shaver was doing?

[unsunghero]

Dude this is online.
I can harass the fck out of you until I get banned and then make other accounts if I want to so this means, you can to and for all the talks about cancel culture, let me just say conservatives are very fragile people.

I'm glad you see the light with the image because it could be a shit show very fast and your answer was not acceptable because of that, not because I'm a leftist for fuck sake.


It's always easier if you imagine the other side doing it and then realize that it's wrong but you could also be a fucking grown up and realize it on your own.

Go cry that harry Potter is bad for our youth and should be cancelled (https://theconversation.com/what-do-protests-about-harry-potter-books-teach-us-79327) with your right wing friends.
Reality is tough.
And you have to deal with idiots.
I know this because I deal with you but your inability to deal with me show me that you don't want to deal with idiot, you would rather push them aside... cancelling them rather than learning to deal with people you disagree with.





so fucking retarded parents need to prevent him from going back to kids chasing him with a chainsaw.

Going back to kids who shot me with a pellet gun. They said no going back after the chainsaw

You don’t need to lie bro, the true version is bad enough lol

I still turned out ok, by all objective measures: employment, friends (safe friends now), family

And no I don’t want you cancelled. I like talking to you. I’m suggesting cancelling me if you don’t like what I post. With ignore

[unsunghero]

Yeah it did NOT piece the jeans due to the distance, but it did still hit hard enough to pop the skin open under the jeans

Maybe mythbusters can prove it

[Byue]

Going back to kids who shot me with a pellet gun. They said no going back after the chainsaw

You don’t need to lie bro, the true version is bad enough lol

I still turned out ok, by all objective measures: employment, friends (safe friends now), family

And no I don’t want you cancelled. I like talking to you. I’m suggesting cancelling me if you don’t like what I post. With ignore


Bruv, did you go to school?
Reading is not hard.

I don't think you think I implied what I really implied.
And that shit is funny.

You're not the most thawed pogo of the box uh.

[Pulgasari]

I understand that wont work here, but it still reminds me of that. Ive had him on ignore for over a week. I dont listen to cult members.

He has enough mental agency to shriek insincerely about politics without losing the plot. Now that's Liberty! :p

[unsunghero]

Here my the full story, which would be weird for me to just pull out of my ass:

Chris built bike jumping ramps and was working on one near family shed. I had a softball and I threw it as high up as I could with the intent for it to land somewhat near him and startle him. Dumb idea

I realized after I threw it watching it thst it was not going to hit near, it was going to hit him

So I yelled out CHRIS LOOK OUT! And he turned his head but it hit him square in the back from as high up as I could throw it, knocking him into his face

That was the first time any of us had seen him cry. He was a notoriously tough dude. He grabbed a chainsaw of the shed and ran at me. It might have been just to scare me or it could have been serious. Either way I tried to warn him and was apologizing profusely as he ran at m

He was seeing red and a big fuck up on my part so I was never too bent about jt

[Gravydoo II]

How about stop acting like a child??? Use your words. You're flooding the place with violent images and shit. What the fuck is wrong with you? I'll say what I say but I'm fucking saying it. Not posting a video of it happening, two different things.

There are pages where its nothing but this asshole, on ignore, filling the entire screen STILL. Couldnt imagine what he was even posting in that mess. Who the fuck does that?? Collects tons of violent images and videos, posts them, tells everyone they are so violent. You have a violent image and video collection. What the fuck is that???

I dont even want to know. Chill the fuck out. If you want to get banned, just leave. Would you show these posts to your mom?? You ought to think about that. Look mom, look what Ive collected and shared. Look what Ive become.

[Gravydoo II]

I like how they go on twitter and fb to say they are oppressed and they cant get their message out because big tech is censoring them. Meanwhile, they posted 498 images of gore and porn, cry when they get banned.

[azeth]

I’ll give you a hint: one of them is Daniel Shaver. I know this because he died in my hometown. He died crawling on his hands and knees unarmed FOLLOWING POLICE INSTRUCTIONS begging to not be shot

He wasn’t a career criminal trying to pass counterfeit bills while high as a kite on fentanyl and meth

And

No one gives a fuck about him

Just watched the Daniel shaver video and unfortunately he reaches behind his back toward his hip, his fault. Just like it's the fault of many black, white, Hispanic, anyone who reaches toward their pants specifically when police are trying to arrest them. That said, police are brutal and I'd wager 90% of them are total idiots that are on a power trip. However they are in danger every day, by their own choice, so when somebody reaches behind their back toward their pants I think you know what's going to happen

[unsunghero]

How about stop acting like a child??? Use your words. You're flooding the place with violent images and shit. What the fuck is wrong with you? I'll say what I say but I'm fucking saying it. Not posting a video of it happening, two different things.

There are pages where its nothing but this asshole, on ignore, filling the entire screen STILL. Couldnt imagine what he was even posting in that mess. Who the fuck does that?? Collects tons of violent images and videos, posts them, tells everyone they are so violent. You have a violent image and video collection. What the fuck is that???

I dont even want to know. Chill the fuck out. If you want to get banned, just leave. Would you show these posts to your mom?? You ought to think about that. Look mom, look what Ive collected and shared. Look what Ive become.

Didn’t you just mention having me on ignore recently?

That’s weird, coulda swore you did. Go delete that now

Ignored is not banned Btw

[unsunghero]

If ya’ll try to make troll threads attacking conservatives I’ll reply in kind. You want me to stop, you stop. I’m fine with that

[Horza]

Why are conservatives all such thin-skinned pussies these days?

[unsunghero]

I like how they go on twitter and fb to say they are oppressed and they cant get their message out because big tech is censoring them. Meanwhile, they posted 498 images of gore and porn, cry when they get banned.

None of the images had any gore. And YouTube does not allow gore on it unless it’s fictional or surgery. The elderly woman vid was someone talking about it who mentions you have to go elsewhere to see it

Next time watch the vid or don’t comment on it as if you did

Edit: actually one out of all the pics that I can recall showed satirical cartoon violence, which is whatever. If it distressed you I won’t post satirical cartoon violence

[Byue]

If ya’ll try to make troll threads attacking conservatives I’ll reply in kind. You want me to stop, you stop. I’m fine with that

damn bruv, one swipe at you and you billow shit like you are persecuted.
Man how I wish you thin skin would be a poor black lesbian mother of one because of a rape so you can see how shitty your fucking opinions are and why you should shut the fuck up.

Go make a post about how ancient aliens created the dems to derail 45's plan to MAGA.

Reality is lost on you because your reality is a trailer with trash in it, around it and never having gone away from that or experience anything else.

Of course everyone would be a trailer trash if everyone lived in a trailer in the middle of god fuck nowhere but i you live in a city with 3 million other people, learning to coexist becomes second nature and being intolerant leads nowhere.

You just lack education and experience and never really experienced difference in opinion in other areas of your life than on TV.

All your friends agree with you, and you watch news that also agrees with you instead of informing you.

very fucking thin skinned pussy.



Edit: actually one out of all the pics that I can recall showed satirical cartoon violence, which is whatever. If it distressed you I won’t post satirical cartoon violence

If ya’ll try to make troll threads attacking conservatives I’ll reply in kind. You want me to stop, you stop. I’m fine with that

Should we stop... posting because we caused you distress with words?

[Pulgasari]

I think usher has recognized the anarchy of current year political discourse and chosen to part with some portion of his dignity. :)

Goose, gander. 🦆

[unsunghero]

damn bruv, one swipe at you and you billow shit like you are persecuted.
Man how I wish you thin skin would be a poor black lesbian mother of one because of a rape so you can see how shitty your fucking opinions are and why you should shut the fuck up.

Go make a post about how ancient aliens created the dems to derail 45's plan to MAGA.

Reality is lost on you because your reality is a trailer with trash in it, around it and never having gone away from that or experience anything else.

Of course everyone would be a trailer trash if everyone lived in a trailer in the middle of god fuck nowhere but i you live in a city with 3 million other people, learning to coexist becomes second nature and being intolerant leads nowhere.

You just lack education and experience and never really experienced difference in opinion in other areas of your life than on TV.

All your friends agree with you, and you watch news that also agrees with you instead of informing you.

very fucking thin skinned pussy.

Lol first off, let’s compare the personal attacks. I think I’ve called you guys lazy. And unemployed. Possibly fat. Actually definitely fat, I know I’ve mentioned that before. Not about you though ever. I haven’t called you specifically any of those, except MAYBE unemployed? I forget

Calling the one guy murderer was making fun of how he called me a terrorist

Yet here you go with trailer trash moron, etc

I don’t have anyone on ignore, nor will I, probably ever. I enjoy seeing another troll thread about conservatives pop up, because I like trolling back. Everyone is saying to silence and ban me

It’s taking you a while to get this idea, so let’s circle back on it. I, myself, do not want anyone here silenced, cancelled, banned, ignored, whatever you want to call it. I want you to be able to post whenever and whatever you want. I will reply a particular way to a particular kind of post. If it really distressed me, I WOULD put you on ignore. Because I know how to take care of my own mental health and set emotional boundaries

But luckily, let’s circle back once more to the main point: I don’t need to

[Wrekt]

I think usher has recognized the anarchy of current year political discourse and chosen to part with some portion of his dignity. :)

Goose, gander. 🦆

Like most things, you used the word anarchy and you have absolutely no fucking clue what it means.

typical and expected of you

[Horza]

Lol first off, let’s compare the personal attacks. I think I’ve called you guys lazy. And unemployed. Possibly fat. Actually definitely fat, I know I’ve mentioned that before. Not about you though ever. I haven’t called you specifically any of those, except MAYBE unemployed? I forget

Calling the one guy murderer was making fun of how he called me a terrorist

Yet here you go with trailer trash moron, etc

I don’t have anyone on ignore, nor will I, probably ever. I enjoy seeing another troll thread about conservatives pop up, because I like trolling back. Everyone is saying to silence and ban me

It’s taking you a while to get this idea, so let’s circle back on it. I, myself, do not want anyone here silenced, cancelled, banned, ignored, whatever you want to call it. I want you to be able to post whenever and whatever you want. I will reply a particular way to a particular kind of post. If it really distressed me, I WOULD put you on ignore. Because I know how to take care of my own mental health and set emotional boundaries

But luckily, let’s circle back once more to the main point: I don’t need to

Just try to cool it on the racist memes.

[Pulgasari]

Like most things, you used the word anarchy and you have absolutely no fucking clue what it means.

typical and expected of you

I wasn't referring to the bloc. Settle down Beavis.

[unsunghero]

Just try to cool it on the racist memes.

K

[Horza]

iyc62g7YQM0

[Byue]

Everyone is saying to silence and ban me

Literally nobody is.
Keep talking.

There is however, a literal thread about banning horza and at least two people have asked other to ban me or to ignore me or to insult me at will.

You internalized Tucker Carlson too much, it's like you're the principal victim on this forum when in fact, the principal victim is human decency.

And just so you know, this forum leans fucking heavily on the right.
There is like 4 leftists and as everyone like to point out: shut up frenchy, go kiss blackface trudeau, nobody likes you.....

there is only like three american leftists.

You are not persecuted.

By the way, can we agree that I do not have to open my mouth to say idiot for you to feel I want to say it and think it, right? We've all seen those people who can make you feel small even if they said nothing.

With this in mind, when you call someone unemployed, in a capitalist society, what does it mean / imply?

If I took the word trash out and simply said you live in a trailer.
You know exactly what I mean but I could defend my (weak) position saying that I didn't say that but we know better, right? You lack the honesty to back up what you really mean and as it turns out, you also have a very thin skin.
We're not surprised.

YOU lack integrity.
You are very opiniated but you are scared to go to the end of those ideas, or to even tell people what they are because you know what they are but you cannot man up to who you are so you play these silly games playing devil's advocate like the devil need a lawyer and like people's plight and feeling is just a game until it's your feeling and plight.


Everyone know where I stand.
Which makes it easier to attack me.
But it also means I have integrity.
Something you don't know what that is.

[unsunghero]

ITT: Complaints about a distressing pic, posts one of a actual real life child dying from starvation

[unsunghero]

Literally nobody is.
Keep talking.

There is however, a literal thread about banning horza and at least two people have asked other to ban me or to ignore me or to insult me at will.

You internalized Tucker Carlson too much, it's like you're the principal victim on this forum when in fact, the principal victim is human decency.

And just so you know, this forum leans fucking heavily on the right.
There is like 4 leftists and as everyone like to point out: shut up frenchy, go kiss blackface trudeau, nobody likes you.....

there is only like three american leftists.

You are not persecuted.

By the way, can we agree that I do not have to open my mouth to say idiot for you to feel I want to say it and think it, right? We've all seen those people who can make you feel small even if they said nothing.

With this in mind, when you call someone unemployed, in a capitalist society, what does it mean / imply?

If I took the word trash out and simply said you live in a trailer.
You know exactly what I mean but I could defend my (weak) position saying that I didn't say that but we know better, right? You lack the honesty to back up what you really mean and as it turns out, you also have a very thin skin.
We're not surprised.

YOU lack integrity.
You are very opiniated but you are scared to go to the end of those ideas, or to even tell people what they are because you know what they are but you cannot man up to who you are so you play these silly games playing devil's advocate like the devil need a lawyer and like people's plight and feeling is just a game until it's your feeling and plight.


Everyone know where I stand.
Which makes it easier to attack me.
But it also means I have integrity.
Something you don't know what that is.

Get it out, get it all out. It’s toned a tiny bit down, that’s something

[Horza]

I didn't say they were distressing, I said racist Nazi garbage.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14825&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1621784814

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14803&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1621725554

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14721&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1621662615

[unsunghero]

That’s fine, I won’t argue they can’t be seen that way. That’s why I said “K” to chilling out

Do you remember?

[unsunghero]

First serious post from Horza in a while. I feel like we hit some new milestones today

[Horza]

hn1VxaMEjRU

[Byue]

ITT: Complaints about a distressing pic, posts one of a actual real life child dying from starvation

it's actually a cover of an album.
he linked a song.
You linked troubling shit.

if you cannot see the difference, I feel bad for you.

[unsunghero]

it's actually a cover of an album.
he linked a song.
You linked troubling shit.

if you cannot see the difference, I feel bad for you.

Clutch those pearls tight. Ignore exists. You aren’t getting any more concessions than what Horza got. Sorry I just ran out of fucks to give

[Byue]

words are violence, I was being harassed and offended online with no way to get away

How i that a liberal theme song?
It seems the more insults we get, and we get a lot since to debate from the height of a unfinished high school diploma requires ton of fallacies, the more we post yet we say one thing that you take badly and start crying immediately.

You're a little wuss with nothing to say.
You brought up Shaver and ended up realizing nobody is going to have your back here because

he was playing with fucking guns.
Cops show up, he did not comply.
He was very intoxicated.

And these are the arguments you used to destroy Floyd because you know, you're not racist you just want the public to talk about those poor white people.
Those poor white people who got cops called on them because they were playing with guns.

What did the police show up for during Floyd's arrest and subsequent death?
Illegal cigarettes?

Surprisingly enough, none of the officers kneeled on Shaver's neck either.
Not for 8 minutes thirty seven seconds nor for once second.

Story so similar, you had to bring it up.
Why did you end up changing topic?

Oh yes, we discussed about this already.
You lack integrity.

How does it feel to be a mainstream right wing media mouthpiece on a forum telling libs to stop listening to the media?

[unsunghero]

How i that a liberal theme song?
It seems the more insults we get, and we get a lot since to debate from the height of a unfinished high school diploma requires ton of fallacies, the more we post yet we say one thing that you take badly and start crying immediately.

You're a little wuss with nothing to say.
You brought up Shaver and ended up realizing nobody is going to have your back here because

he was playing with fucking guns.
Cops show up, he did not comply.
He was very intoxicated.

And these are the arguments you used to destroy Floyd because you know, you're not racist you just want the public to talk about those poor white people.
Those poor white people who got cops called on them because they were playing with guns.

What did the police show up for during Floyd's arrest and subsequent death?
Illegal cigarettes?

Surprisingly enough, none of the officers kneeled on Shaver's neck either.
Not for 8 minutes thirty seven seconds nor for once second.

Story so similar, you had to bring it up.
Why did you end up changing topic?

Oh yes, we discussed about this already.
You lack integrity.

How does it feel to be a mainstream right wing media mouthpiece on a forum telling libs to stop listening to the media?

kinda tired of going back and forth with you

get it all out if it makes you feel better

[Byue]

We will be done when we will be done, you are not the boss of me.

I may not be an American
But at least I know I'm free!

I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox4IRQVGsBU&ab_channel=FernandoSanchez)

[Byue]

Lack of integrity is a funny charge when you excuse the Shaver killing and condemn the Floyd killing.


Oh really?
Because to me, they're vastly different, like a world of differences away.
What is similar is the excuses done by racists to somehow pretend we don't give a fuck about Shaver: we care. It's the same overzealous police killing people.
Remember, we want to defund the police?

Lacking integrity would be to defend the police, and then say but it also happens to white people, like this here case.

Lack of integrity would also be to try and equate those two different scenarios.



Like, a republican when you tell him that an AR15 is an assault weapon: complete meltdown. AR DOES NOT MEAN ASSAULT RIFLE, YOU IDIOT. Literally use academic terms. Is very specific about how this weapon is VASTLY different than this one because one has 16 ammunition in the magazine and the other, 18.

Republicans, discussing police brutality: these white people also got shot by the police it's the same. all lives matters. If you don't want to get shot, do what the police says.
Shaver and Floyd, same same!

Notice the subtle differences?
Black Live Matter is a lot about police accountability but you wouldn't know about it.
You're not listening to their plight.

Just, you know, white people plight. They voted for 45 for a reason, listen!
No integrity.


Like earlier when I just asked if we could stop making the forums worse by adding those 326392643247624 images posts and he just doubled down until he realized that ti could quickly get out of hand. We had to reason with him that his shit, the way he wanted them, made no sense for the good of the community.
We can argue, call each others idiot but when we start polluting posts with large images, it can get very abd very quickly.
We can have some consensus, you know.
In the end, he showed us he have some integrity.
And we have better discussions because of it.

We all have the right to believe what we believe but it is very helpful when we are honest about it and believe in things that are real.
I can believe user X and user Y are Z but unless it's grounded in reality, it doesn't matter what I think.

[unsunghero]

Oh really?
Because to me, they're vastly different, like a world of differences away.
What is similar is the excuses done by racists to somehow pretend we don't give a fuck about Shaver: we care. It's the same overzealous police killing people.
Remember, we want to defund the police?

Lacking integrity would be to defend the police, and then say but it also happens to white people, like this here case.

Lack of integrity would also be to try and equate those two different scenarios.



Like, a republican when you tell him that an AR15 is an assault weapon: complete meltdown. AR DOES NOT MEAN ASSAULT RIFLE, YOU IDIOT. Literally use academic terms. Is very specific about how this weapon is VASTLY different than this one because one has 16 ammunition in the magazine and the other, 18.

Republicans, discussing police brutality: these white people also got shot by the police it's the same. all lives matters. If you don't want to get shot, do what the police says.
Shaver and Floyd, same same!

Notice the subtle differences?
Black Live Matter is a lot about police accountability but you wouldn't know about it.
You're not listening to their plight.

Just, you know, white people plight. They voted for 45 for a reason, listen!
No integrity.


Like earlier when I just asked if we could stop making the forums worse by adding those 326392643247624 images posts and he just doubled down until he realized that ti could quickly get out of hand. We had to reason with him that his shit, the way he wanted them, made no sense for the good of the community.
We can argue, call each others idiot but when we start polluting posts with large images, it can get very abd very quickly.
We can have some consensus, you know.
In the end, he showed us he have some integrity.
And we have better discussions because of it.

We all have the right to believe what we believe but it is very helpful when we are honest about it and believe in things that are real.
I can believe user X and user Y are Z but unless it's grounded in reality, it doesn't matter what I think.

I said no one gives a fuck about Shaver because I was trying to emphasize that the media coverage of his incident was INCREDIBLY disproportionate to that of Floyd, which means a lot of people don't even know about Shaver. And the fact you didn't even remember his name until I literally fed it to you, reinforces this idea. Feel free to deny that too, I'm sure you had his picture and timeline on your car's bumper. Or would have, if you owned a car?

And defunding the police is a stupid idea. But I hope it happens all around you, so your dreams of a policeless utopia can come true

[Horza]

I said no one gives a fuck about Shaver because I was trying to emphasize that the media coverage of his incident was INCREDIBLY disproportionate to that of Floyd, which means a lot of people don't even know about Shaver. And the fact you didn't even remember his name until I literally fed it to you, reinforces this idea. Feel free to deny that too, I'm sure you had his picture and timeline on your car's bumper. Or would have, if you owned a car?

And defunding the police is a stupid idea. But I hope it happens all around you, so your dreams of a policeless utopia can come true

Maybe you should just go back to spamming racist memes because this isn't working at all.

[unsunghero]

Maybe you should just go back to spamming racist memes because this isn't working at all.

Shucks, and here I had such high hopes he was going to stop being a democrat

And don't tempt me. I can go back to memes whenever u want

[Byue]

I said no one gives a fuck about Shaver because I was trying to emphasize that the media coverage of his incident was INCREDIBLY disproportionate to that of Floyd, which means a lot of people don't even know about Shaver. And the fact you didn't even remember his name until I literally fed it to you, reinforces this idea. Feel free to deny that too, I'm sure you had his picture and timeline on your car's bumper. Or would have, if you owned a car?

And defunding the police is a stupid idea. But I hope it happens all around you, so your dreams of a policeless utopia can come true

See the condescendence.
Bro, I own a restaurant and a john cooper work mini cooper sport.
I mentioned this on the car manufacturer post.
Why do you focus on what I do with my free time, or my time in general, whether or not I work or own a car or what I do with my bumper and if I want stickers there like, don't you love freedom or would you prefer if we shipped you to North Korea with other fascists?
What if I genuinely was poor and did not own a car, would I be dismissed because of that? What is your fucking problem?
I'm probably a lot richer than you probably ever will be, thanks to capitalism and my dad who really believed in it and do I look like I want to make you feel like less of a decent human being because you might be financially not as well off? Or as lucky as me to have a cool job that pays well? Like grow up, if there is a job to be done then someone needs to do it. No stupid work, no useless work. We are needed, whether a pawn or a king.

There is a shit ton of news you never read, do I seem to care?
Again, I'm always upset when the police kills people and so should you.
But, the thing is, I have the feeling you do not give a shit about Shaver AND you don't give a shit about Floyd, either.
You just don't get it.

"Let me just sit on your wife's neck while she cries about having problem breathing and I will not move. Do something, I will use my badge and shoot you like an animal. Your wife is going to die, now watch." seems to be the modus operandi and that is fucked up.

Second, defuding te police is not a policeless utopia.
It's a topic that has captured the national imagination and you.... haven't read a tiny amount about it? This sounds like the people trashing communism and when they talk about it, you can tell they don't really know what they are talking about and the manifest is like, 27 pages long and if you are going to hate entire cultures because of it, might as well read 27 pages but no.

Defunding the police is something the police have tried to do for a while.
wait what?

Do you seriously think the police want to be the one having to deal with mental illness problems? This is not their job. They are not qualified. They know this.

Defunding the police means instead of allocating all the money to the police, maybe allocate money toward people who can do a better job than the police at jobs the police sucks at.

Like dealing with autistic people, dealing with mental illness, homelessness, prostitution, etc.

There would still be cops what the fuck.

But something you never thought about.
If you protect private property.

Think about it.
You thus protect those who have, against those who don't.
In a very evident way.

So anyway, go read about defunding the police because your lack of knowledge on the topic, a year in, show us that you much prefer ignorance to knowledge and in the era of internet, this is a willfully made choice.

You might still be against defunding the police after reading about it but since it absolutely doe snot mean what you think it doesn't, maybe try educating yourself about it.

Like do you remember being a kid and saying that girls were gross.
Luckily, you tried one and you changed your mind.
Do the same or at least, try.

[unsunghero]

But, the thing is, I have the feeling you do not give a shit about Shaver AND you don't give a shit about Floyd, either

Quite a stretch. There are 50+ million police interactions occurring every year. There are a handful of unjustified killings every year. We both agree that we want to get that number down to zero. What we disagree on, is how serious of a threat to the public this issue is

And no, I want you to be able to re-allocate as much money from the police towards social services in you area as your heart desires. It can be any amount, and it can go towards any other purpose. Just keep it in your area. That's what I want. And you aren't going to change my mind on what I want, so let's agree to disagree

[Patriam1066]

I bought my daughter a Mini Cooper when she turned 16. True story

[Horza]

Quite a stretch. There are 50+ million police interactions occurring every year. There are a handful of unjustified killings every year. We both agree that we want to get that number down to zero. What we disagree on, is how serious of a threat to the public this issue is

And no, I want you to be able to re-allocate as much money from the police towards social services in you area as your heart desires. It can be any amount, and it can go towards any other purpose. Just keep it in your area. That's what I want. And you aren't going to change my mind on what I want, so let's agree to disagree

That sure is a lot of sentences to say you don't think police brutality is an issue whatsoever.

[unsunghero]

BTW, to demonstrate that I have the same goal but the exact opposite idea about how to get it, I think we need MORE resources for better training of police

I'm using the word resources because I'm not going to be so black and white minded to claim that just throwing them more money is some kind of miracle cure. Resources can mean attention, supervision, training, auditing, all sorts of non-monetary measures

I think the issues come from a number of reasons including:

People that should not be police officers are being hired as police officers. This is an issue with whoever is doing the hiring

People that should be police officers not being properly trained on how to be an officer that does not unjustifiably use lethal force. This is an issue with whoever trained that particular officer

Some cops may have some secret deep-seeded racism. Once again, if it is not spotted, then this is an issue with the hiring process, or monitoring of police practices

MORE resources, goes towards fixing all these things

[Byue]

Quite a stretch. There are 50+ million police interactions occurring every year. There are a handful of unjustified killings every year. We both agree that we want to get that number down to zero. What we disagree on, is how serious of a threat to the public this issue is

And no, I want you to be able to re-allocate as much money from the police towards social services in you area as your heart desires. It can be any amount, and it can go towards any other purpose. Just keep it in your area. That's what I want. And you aren't going to change my mind on what I want, so let's agree to disagree




Police body cam footage shows officers shooting 13-year-old Utah boy with autism (https://globalnews.ca/news/7349880/police-shoot-13-year-old-utah/)

So, we both want that number to zero or... just me?
Because sending police officers in situations where they are not qualified and trained is what a sensible citizen like you want.
it is not dangerous for the cops, nor for the public. (amirite?)


There are literally millions of people leaving and entering the country every year, a handful do so illegally, What we disagree on, is how serious of a threat to the public this issue is
.

There have been 7,194 days since 9/11. No other buildings were destroyed. (In America) Trillion dollars war of (or on?) terror. just now leaving Afghanistan and What we disagree on, is how serious of a threat to the public this issue is.


There is a lot of available books and toys.
Lately, there have been a fixation on mr. potato head and dr. seuss books and What we disagree on, is how serious of a threat to the public this issue is.

I'm sorry you make it easy.
See when they told you school was useless, they lied.
You very obviously could use a degree, especially a high school degree.





I think the issues come from a number of reasons including:

People that should not be police officers are being hired as police officers. This is an issue with whoever is doing the hiring


Some cops may have some secret deep-seeded racism. Once again, if it is not spotted, then this is an issue with the hiring process, or monitoring of police practices



Could the issue be... *GASP* that since they send police to place where police aren't needed, they have to hire more police than needed and use these shitty practices to save time because how can you keep track of such a large force?
Why send a police officer to a house where the problem is a troubled person with autism? Wouldn't a social worker do a better job since, you know, they are trained for that and it is literally their job? Why do you insist on sending armed people to solve all the conflict?

We are back to the you pinning too many images on posts and not seeing the problem.
Back to you threatening to do it again.

We're building the world we fucking live in.
you want... more cops?
You like the idea of a police state?
I thought republicans were all about freedom, america, gun rights and doing what you want because freedom!

sure does look like you like the idea of policing OTHER people though.
And you don't even like cops that much since january 6 was a normal tourist attraction for you.
Just a regular day at the capitol.

[unsunghero]

Police body cam footage shows officers shooting 13-year-old Utah boy with autism (https://globalnews.ca/news/7349880/police-shoot-13-year-old-utah/)

So, we both want that number to zero or... just me?
Because sending police officers in situations where they are not qualified and trained is what a sensible citizen like you want.
it is not dangerous for the cops, nor for the public. (amirite?)


There are literally millions of people leaving and entering the country every year, a handful do so illegally, What we disagree on, is how serious of a threat to the public this issue is
.

There have been 7,194 days since 9/11. No other buildings were destroyed. (In America) Trillion dollars war of (or on?) terror. just now leaving Afghanistan and What we disagree on, is how serious of a threat to the public this issue is.


There is a lot of available books and toys.
Lately, there have been a fixation on mr. potato head and dr. seuss books and What we disagree on, is how serious of a threat to the public this issue is.

How many people died in 9/11? Wasn't it in the thousands? Has even close to that many died unjustifiably to police? Weird analogy dude

Yes, we do accept MILLIONS of legal immigrants. I'm glad you pointed that out. In fact, we've accepted MORE legal immigrants than any country in the world, including yours. We're better at accepting legal immigrants than you, and we always will be. I have nothing against legal immigration. I bet we do disagree on the illegal immigration seriousness, however

And I do think trying to cancel mr potato head is ridiculous, thanks for agreeing with me on that one

"Because sending police officers in situations where they are not qualified and trained is what a sensible citizen like you want"

-- were you being serious with this or was it sarcasm? Because this is exactly what I don't want. And if you don't want it either, then we are in agreement

[unsunghero]

Police body cam footage shows officers shooting 13-year-old Utah boy with autism (https://globalnews.ca/news/7349880/police-shoot-13-year-old-utah/)

So, we both want that number to zero or... just me?
Because sending police officers in situations where they are not qualified and trained is what a sensible citizen like you want.
it is not dangerous for the cops, nor for the public. (amirite?)


There are literally millions of people leaving and entering the country every year, a handful do so illegally, What we disagree on, is how serious of a threat to the public this issue is
.

There have been 7,194 days since 9/11. No other buildings were destroyed. (In America) Trillion dollars war of (or on?) terror. just now leaving Afghanistan and What we disagree on, is how serious of a threat to the public this issue is.


There is a lot of available books and toys.
Lately, there have been a fixation on mr. potato head and dr. seuss books and What we disagree on, is how serious of a threat to the public this issue is.

I'm sorry you make it easy.
See when they told you school was useless, they lied.
You very obviously could use a degree, especially a high school degree.





Could the issue be... *GASP* that since they send police to place where police aren't needed, they have to hire more police than needed and use these shitty practices to save time because how can you keep track of such a large force?
Why send a police officer to a house where the problem is a troubled person with autism? Wouldn't a social worker do a better job since, you know, they are trained for that and it is literally their job? Why do you insist on sending armed people to solve all the conflict?

I am a social worker and no, we are not allowed to go hands on with an escalated child. That is a huge liability risk for an agency. We used to be able to, having to be properly restraint trained first obviously. When is a kid, I actually helped in the restraint training. It was my first job in mental health, I think I was about 8 at the time. I volunteered to help social workers practice their restraints. I was told to try to wiggle out. I found the whole thing fun

Then when I started working in behavioral health, that practice went away. A lot of mental health agencies don't want to take on the legal liability of restraining a kid, involving all the things that can go wrong with that, including that child dying (which can happen without guns involved as well)

But yes, if you want to re-train us to be able to restrain kids, I would have very little issue with that. I think it would suck because it would mean being bruised up and bit sometimes, which is always going to suck no matter who you are. The reason I know is because we go into a lot of residential treatment facilities and behavioral schools where the staff ARE able to go hands on, and that kinda stuff happens

[Danth]

MORE resources, goes towards fixing all these things

Maybe, maybe not. Some of it wouldn't take so much as a dollar to change--got to change the mindset.

--Stop discriminating against hiring people who are too smart (this is true, many departments actually do this).
--Stop preferentially hiring people based on military experience. Being a good soldier does not necessarily translate to being a good LEO. Police are not an Occupying Army, and the public is not the Enemy.
--Reduce equipment to what's ordinary for the area. Police should not be heavily-armed commandos. Ordinary beat cops do not need military-style rifles in their cars and certainly do not need to be carrying ammunition or implements for use against their own citizenry, which would be outlawed on the field of battle.
--Walk back "officer safety" to where it was thirty years ago, and go back to needing actual justification to shoot beyond, "He scared me or might've been maybe reaching for something for a second."

Most of all: Accept it took us decades to get to this point, and chances are it'll take many years to fix it too. Even once fixed, public trust has eroded enough that it'll take years to recover. This is NOT going to go away overnight. This is going to be the largest stumbling block prohibiting real change because the public expects instant results and when that doesn't materialize tends to lose interest in favor of the next outrage-du-jour.

Danth

[unsunghero]

But also, in regards to the escalated autistic child, I believe it shouldn't REQUIRE a social worker to prevent that child from being shot

I think that a properly trained police officer can also be taught the simple understanding that no matter which direction the situation goes with a small escalated autistic child who is unarmed, there is absolutely no reason to pull out a gun. I think it is possible to train that

And there is mental health training for police. For our police nowadays it's called CIS although I forget what it is an acronym for, crisis intervention something. It's basically a division of police that has been trained in mental health and what it looks like who are requested to go out on mental health calls. This special division of police is who does the mental health pick ups, which are people in the community who have been petitioned, or in CA or other states it's called 51/50'd or Baker Act'ed, to be evaluated against their will at a hospital due to serious credible immediate threats to self/others PLUS mental illness symptoms

[Byue]

How many people died in 9/11? Wasn't it in the thousands? Has even close to that many died unjustifiably to police? Weird analogy dude

Yes, we do accept MILLIONS of legal immigrants. I'm glad you pointed that out. In fact, we've accepted MORE legal immigrants than any country in the world, including yours. We're better at accepting legal immigrants than you, and we always will be. I have nothing against legal immigration. I bet we do disagree on the illegal immigration seriousness, however

And I do think trying to cancel mr potato head is ridiculous, thanks for agreeing with me on that one

"Because sending police officers in situations where they are not qualified and trained is what a sensible citizen like you want"

-- were you being serious with this or was it sarcasm? Because this is exactly what I don't want. And if you don't want it either, then we are in agreement


You're not very smart dude.
Like not an idiot, but you're not very smart.

Let's unpack that shitty comeback.
9/11: 2,977 people were killed.

It is very difficult to compile data on this because police states tend to be opaque and the USA is very opaque with these statistics but n the first four months of 2021, 292 people died at the hand of the police. 2020: 1,021. 2019: 999.

So basically, just those three years is almost a 9/11 and what we disagree on is how serious of a threat to society this is but it seems like every 3 years you have a "never forget" event done by the hand of those who are serving and protecting you.

But there is no problem right?


About the immigration, it was probably lost on you because we've discussed it, you're really not that smart. (or you playing dumb, or you ignore that part)
50+ million interaction with the police.
Handful of killing.
You conclude there is no problem.

I merely said: millions of legal immigrants.
handful illegal immigrants.
Should yield same end result of this is not a tangible problem. (if you have integrity)
(especially once you realize that something like 95% of your illegal immigration are just people who came legally but never left)


My country is number six on the list of accepting immigrants.
We're a lot poorer than you, with a much smaller infrastructure and population density to absorb it. Plus we don't kick them out two years later so I think we do better but this is absolutely up for debate.


Oh I was not amde aware they cancelled potato head, since you can still buy it and since it's a toy, buying it is like, what you want from it and not much more else but more to the point, and you know what it is by now, it is that you mention that we disagree on the severity of the threat to the public.
I conclude that this is not a threat to the public, since there are other toys to buy.
(50 million interaction with the police, only a handful of killings is where I draw my inspiration to show you how little integrity you have)

And we'll finish with this beauty.


"Because sending police officers in situations where they are not qualified and trained is what a sensible citizen like you want"

-- were you being serious with this or was it sarcasm? Because this is exactly what I don't want. And if you don't want it either, then we are in agreement

First, you mentioned you want to bring the number of people shot by the police to zero which I know is a lie, you don't care because I wrote this sentence you are wondering if it is sarcasm when you put yourself squarely against defunding the police and wanted more resources spent on police.
I merely linked one article about police shooting a 13 boy with autism 30 seconds after arriving on location and implying, "maybe sending a social worker would have been a better idea? and you didn't even bite because, let's be honest, we've discussed it a lot already, you're not that smart.

So, you want to send the police deal with mentally unstable people, be my guest and have the results we have even though you keep lying (because you have no fucking integrity) and pretend that you want the police shooting to drop to zero without changing anything about what is happening and that is some serious dumbfuckery.

I want to send qualified people to solve the problem society have.
You want to send armed douchebags who don't even have a college degree to fix everything.

And then wonder why it's not working because it never will.


P.S: bruv, obviously, police officers or not, nobody should be dumb enough to take out your weapon and shoot a 13 years old autistic boy less than 30 seconds after showing up on location. You're not fucking brave for saying this. But it happened. here is the caretaker of an autistic child getting shot because he is trying to take care of the autistic child (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj8UyXazO1M&ab_channel=WPLGLocal10)

There is hundred pages of this shit.
but WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO SEND A POLICE OFFICER TO A HOUSE WHERE AN AUTISTIC BOY IS HAVING TROUBLE?
What's a fucking police officer going to fucking do my man?
Very smart people with degrees specializing in autism have trouble with autism, what's a police officer to fucking do man?


Don't you get the idea of a social worker going there, or a fucking psychologist or you know, someone fucking qualified.

Like I don't care, send in the fucking army if you feel like they could be useful but what in their fucking pedigree make you think they could be useful in this situation for fuck sake?

[unsunghero]

You're not very smart dude.
Like not an idiot, but you're not very smart.

Let's unpack that shitty comeback.
9/11: 2,977 people were killed.

It is very difficult to compile data on this because police states tend to be opaque and the USA is very opaque with these statistics but n the first four months of 2021, 292 people died at the hand of the police. 2020: 1,021. 2019: 999.



Christ, you fell right into the typical democrat logic trap of manipulating statistics

"Killed by police", let's consider who falls into this category. 5 cartel members in texas get in a shootout with a swat team being sent to a business they are strong armed robbing. The 5 cartel members die in the shootout, they are part of that statistic

This happened recently - A woman gets pulled over for speeding. She pulls out a gun and shoots the officer in the arm. The officer shoots her and she dies. She is a part of that statistic

In fact the number of people in that statistic who were legally and justifiably killed due to self-defense is something like 99%. That's why when the washington post mentioned the UNJUSTIFIED police killings in a year, it's like 19. Not 1,000

But yeah, 1,000 is a big number I agree

Be careful to not be manipulated by statistics bro


My country is number six on the list of accepting immigrants.
We're a lot poorer than you, with a much smaller infrastructure and population density to absorb it. Plus we don't kick them out two years later so I think we do better but this is absolutely up for debate.

Eh, you do pretty good but we better. Don't be jelly ;)


I merely linked one article about police shooting a 13 boy with autism 30 seconds after arriving on location and implying, "maybe sending a social worker would have been a better idea? and you didn't even bite because, let's be honest, we've discussed it a lot already, you're not that smart.

So, you want to send the police deal with mentally unstable people, be my guest and have the results we have even though you keep lying (because you have no fucking integrity) and pretend that you want the police shooting to drop to zero without changing anything about what is happening and that is some serious dumbfuckery. everything.


Like I said, I have no problem being sent in lieu of police to an escalated autistic child's home who is unarmed, as long as my agency is willing to restraint train me and accept the legal liability

What I DO have a problem with, is going out on a full grown adult who is psychotic due to drugs or mental illness and escalated to the point of potential physical violence. Social workers are not magic. There is not a magic phrase I can do that will guarantee that this person de-escalates and no one gets hurt. We come unarmed, and we have been attacked before. We have had clients try to kill us. A few years ago a client who was extremely intoxicated on alcohol got an attempted murder charge for trying to stab a social worker at our agency. That social worker quit the next week. Not going to happen to me pal. The person doing the de-escalating needs to be equipped to prevent their own death, and that doesn't always mean using words

[Horza]

Christ, you fell right into the typical democrat logic trap of manipulating statistics

"Killed by police", let's consider who falls into this category. 5 cartel members in texas get in a shootout with a swat team being sent to a business they are strong armed robbing. The 5 cartel members die in the shootout, they are part of that statistic

In fact the number of people in that statistic who were legally and justifiably killed due to self-defense is something like 99%.

Be careful to not be manipulated by statistics bro

hn1VxaMEjRU

[unsunghero]

Here's an example, I won't reveal any PHI (protected health information) regarding the person's identity, because this was a real situation I heard about

A person who had a history of schizophrenia and delusions was off their medications and their caseworker requested some co-workers mine to assess how bad their symptoms were and make sure they were ok, and to possibly assist them to treatment if they were willing. This particular person had what we call religious preoccupation, which is different than simply being religious, to put it in layman's terms it is an extreme version of religious belief that is incongruent to their baseline mentally stable behavior. This particular person happened to have the delusion that they were Jesus and were a prophet when off their medications

When my co-workers arrived, they could tell the person was symptomatic. They listened and validated and tried to move the conversation towards getting re-stabilized on medications. Before they could get too far, the person offered an unknown red liquid in a cup to one and called it his holy water and asked them to drink it. We're not allowed to accept food/drink offers from clients and in this situation, it wasn't deemed safe either way. The co-worker politely declined saying that we are not allowed to accept any food or drinks from anyone, but this angered the client. He said that if they weren't going to accept the drink than they should leave and started to get escalated and aggressive

As social workers, once they are not listening anymore and displaying the signs that they could get physical, that is our cue to leave. We are trained to get away from that situation. So the co-workers apologized for things not going the way the client had expected and said they were going to have to leave, and then exited the client's home. When they were about 20 feet away, the noticed the client had come out his home wielding a wooden statute like a club

He began to chase the co-workers. One of them was a very heavyset LGBT guy who had zero chance of getting away. But due to extreme luck, the client happened to be barefoot, and as the client was bearing down and closing in him with the makeshift weapon, he stepped on a piece of glass because the apartment area was kind of sketchy. And the client cut open his foot and went down, and the co-workers were able to get away

The female social worker co-worker of the group said she was so frightened when she contacted PD that she reverted back to her native language spanish, to describe what was happening

True story, I've done the same job for more than a decade, ive seen and heard a lot of shit

[Horza]

Here's an example, I won't reveal any PHI (protected health information) regarding the person's identity, because this was a real situation I heard about

A person who had a history of schizophrenia and delusions was off their medications and their caseworker requested some co-workers mine to assess how bad their symptoms were and make sure they were ok, and to possibly assist them to treatment if they were willing. This particular person had what we call religious preoccupation, which is different than simply being religious, to put it in layman's terms it is an extreme version of religious belief that is incongruent to their baseline mentally stable behavior. This particular person happened to have the delusion that they were Jesus and were a prophet when off their medications

When my co-workers arrived, they could tell the person was symptomatic. They listened and validated and tried to move the conversation towards getting re-stabilized on medications. Before they could get too far, the person offered an unknown red liquid in a cup to one and called it his holy water and asked them to drink it. We're not allowed to accept food/drink offers from clients and in this situation, it wasn't deemed safe either way. The co-worker politely declined saying that we are not allowed to accept any food or drinks from anyone, but this angered the client. He said that if they weren't going to accept the drink than they should leave and started to get escalated and aggressive

As social workers, once they are not listening anymore and displaying the signs that they could get physical, that is our cue to leave. We are trained to get away from that situation. So the co-workers apologized for things not going the way the client had expected and said they were going to have to leave, and then exited the client's home. When they were about 20 feet away, the noticed the client had come out his home wielding a wooden statute like a club

He began to chase the co-workers. One of them was a very heavyset LGBT guy who had zero chance of getting away. But due to extreme luck, the client happened to be barefoot, and as the client was bearing down and closing in him with the makeshift weapon, he stepped on a piece of glass because the apartment area was kind of sketchy. And the client cut open his foot and went down, and the co-workers were able to get away

The female of the group said she was so frightened when she contacted PD that she reverted back to her native language spanish, to describe what was happening

True story, I've done the same job for more than a decade, ive seen and heard a lot of shit

You should go back to spamming braindead memes, it's more effective than this drivel.

[unsunghero]

You should go back to spamming braindead memes, it's more effective than this drivel.

kk will later, for sure

[unsunghero]

I invented a new slur: TESC!

Trump Exclusionary Social Conservatism.

Use it wisely.

This I don't get? Would need you to explain your new term? Are you saying I'm not including you or something?

[Danth]

True story, I've done the same job for more than a decade, ive seen and heard a lot of shit

Good post. It's probably too level for the folks who're here because they want to blow off steam via hyperbole and mudslinging. Complicated problems don't usually have quick or easy solutions.

Danth

[unsunghero]

Maybe, maybe not. Some of it wouldn't take so much as a dollar to change--got to change the mindset.

--Stop discriminating against hiring people who are too smart (this is true, many departments actually do this).
--Stop preferentially hiring people based on military experience. Being a good soldier does not necessarily translate to being a good LEO. Police are not an Occupying Army, and the public is not the Enemy.
--Reduce equipment to what's ordinary for the area. Police should not be heavily-armed commandos. Ordinary beat cops do not need military-style rifles in their cars and certainly do not need to be carrying ammunition or implements for use against their own citizenry, which would be outlawed on the field of battle.
--Walk back "officer safety" to where it was thirty years ago, and go back to needing actual justification to shoot beyond, "He scared me or might've been maybe reaching for something for a second."

Most of all: Accept it took us decades to get to this point, and chances are it'll take many years to fix it too. Even once fixed, public trust has eroded enough that it'll take years to recover. This is NOT going to go away overnight. This is going to be the largest stumbling block prohibiting real change because the public expects instant results and when that doesn't materialize tends to lose interest in favor of the next outrage-du-jour.

Danth

I agree with these too

There's even been a push for police to ONLY come from the city they live in, and not e allowed to be hired from outside that city and commute. This is actually being done in places like Philidelphia and others if I recall

The reason is that there is a belief that an officer is more likely to be more sympathetic and understanding to those that they police if they see them as from the same city as them. Makes sense to me

The problem is, like you said, systemic. There happens to be a shortage of police in Philidelphia, and that's why the department hires from outside the city. The more they reduce the hiring radius, the more shorthanded they get and the longer response times get

And with all this negative attention on police, I have a feeling that recruiting police is going to be even more challenging in the years ahead. So a restriction on where you are allowed to hire from is going to add extra challenge, possibly longer wait times. Is it worth it? Could be debated either way, did a longer wait time cost a life?