Need it or keep it?

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

Would you play on a new team server if:

Tallon Zek based Race teams PVP (shorts vs. hums vs. elfs vs. evils)
Classic only lvl 50 cap, no expansions
Single item (not weapon, off hand or range) + coin loot
8 level pvp range
No cross teams/beneficial spells/communication

[UrkTheSlayer]

If it hard blue population after launch hype, yes.

Otherwise I’m sticking to ffa.

[UrkTheSlayer]

Here’s the real question: will my own team lawyer quest me out of spawns because they’re not in line of sight even though me and my boys are keeping them down? If yes then no, no matter the population.

[A Knight]

- Tallon Zek based Race teams PVP (shorts vs. hums vs. elfs vs. evils)
Yes

- Classic only lvl 50 cap, no expansions
Yes but if another pvp with kunark is around. I respect vanilla and I don't want to take it from those who like it. I would lose interest quick if it was just vanilla.

- Single item (not weapon, off hand or range) + coin loot
Yes

- 8 level pvp range
Sure, maybe higher if no item loot. (Not biggest fan of item loot but I could do it maybe.)

- No cross teams/beneficial spells/communication
Like you mean Tallon Zek? Ehh not really, people need to be diplomatic. Maybe just allow communication.

[Old_PVP]

Yes to all the above.

[Disease]

Good vs evil. Humans can go bad or good(gives evil access to druid/bard).

[Imago]

Good vs evil. Humans can go bad or good(gives evil access to druid/bard).

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

Good vs evil. Humans can go bad or good(gives evil access to druid/bard).

That's a great idea! I was wondering how many would avoid evils due to no druids bards or paladins.

[Disease]

That's a great idea! I was wondering how many would avoid evils due to no druids bards or paladins.

Hard code in no trading, buffing, healing the other side.

[starkind]

Bard and druid are unnecessary cuz everyone gets wiz, ench, shn.

No one would roll on team good and it'd just be the evil rp server. They can do without.

[Disease]

Bard and druid are unnecessary cuz everyone gets wiz, ench, shn.

No one would roll on team good and it'd just be the evil rp server. They can do without.

Ya have fun pvping with no bards.

[starkind]

just delete bard from game actually lol

[A Knight]

Would be cool if you could allow gem trade only, so the people who cant raid can pick up the scraps if a bigger team needs their assistances fighting. Maybe not.

[Raclen]

I don't like not being able to attack people. The population would have to be big enough to be fun but not too big where I would be sitting in lines for spawns from my own team.

[Gustoo]

If Teams, Nilbogs custom teams

8 level range is too high for item loot. Either go rallos 4 levels with item loot or sullon no level range and no item loot.

[starkind]

just hardcoade it for no oor healing above or below or buffing that would solve the need for level range issues

like do a pvp range of 4 lvls and a buffing range of like 8 or 10 lvls. gg (this way ppl can still raid at lvl 52 with their buddies)

[Jibartik]

Item loot isnt going to get people to play on a pvp server that doesnt/wouldnt already.

[Gustoo]

Nothing is going to get people to play on a pvp server that doesn't / wouldn't already.

3 rulesets worth trying

Rallos Zek rules (the best)
Sullon Zek rules but custom 2 teams (Nilbogs)
Discord rules with resets all the time full hardcore permadeath

Discord is a great server to release when you have a dead ass permanent server like ours, I am really bummed it seemed to come so close but then did not release.

Problem with EQ teams is that all of the classic teams sucked. The only classic server with a good ruleset was Rallos Zek the teams ones sucked.

Nilbog 2 teams could be worth trying because a new hard coded teams could be a fun change from previous ones. We aren't going to have the pop for 3 viable teams even live didn't

[Raclen]

I would prefer original RoZ ruleset on a Red99 server.

2 box
loot 1 item in inventory on pvp kill, can't loot anything worn
training legal, no real rules outside of no exploiting, hacking or 3+ boxing
FFA, 4 level range

[Gustoo]

Inventory including bags loot and no worn item loot would be interesting, but it doesn't have the power balance functionality of the (slim chance) possibility of looting an item of value from a twink PK character, so at that point I don't see the valu.

[A Knight]

I understand peoples points about teams especially Sullon, because guk is the hub for raiding in Vanilla, or at least at first.

First let me say I believe EQ classic is the best mmorpg as is. Any change should be scrutinized and check and balanced just so things don't go to far off in the other direction.

But if we all like classic EQ but inevitably it will become boring, even if only for a relatively short period of time, maybe customization could be a thing. I understand this server cannot replicate this due to legal issues, however I think adding two more guks in the game would be best for a team server.

[A Knight]

I know its fairy tale land but I figured I'd give my opinion. I like teams servers.

[Disease]

Item loot isnt going to get people to play on a pvp server that doesnt/wouldnt already.

People cant handle ffa with coin only. Any item loot server turns into the same 60 person server, dead in a month or 2.

[Gustoo]

I would play a 60 person item loot PVP vanilla server, all day. 100% better than a 60 person no item loot velious poop wagon.

A knight - I agree, and thats why red99 is so weird because "P99, classic comes first" started with a full custom ruleset, FFA, VARIABLE pvp engagement range that widened as you leveled up, EXP LOSS on pvp death, No teams, and I can't remember when PVP started if it was level 1 or 2 or 5 or what.

Really weird, not discussed on forums maybe discussed on some other back channel with some other guys and I for one was totally surprised that it was ratified into the final release after the long beta with no announcements or staff communication at all. I'm talking about like zero staff communication about any of the goings ons or feedback about the red99 beta server. I would have been happy with a 3 year beta where they screw with the rules and decide what they think works best but instead they just launched with their first idea, eventually they rolled back EXP loss, and eventually they switched it to static 4 level pvp engagement range.

But yeah.

Of the classic servers, Discord works, and Rallos works

Vallon / Tallon / Sullon have bad teams issues and need customized. Custom Sullon teams seems worth trying for all of the anti item loot people.

In the end I would dream that P99 makes a rallos zek classic server, adds planes like a billion years later, and then leaves it to fester like current red99. A beautiful static vanilla PVP item loot rallos zek server would be a great place of refuge and people tired of living in velious era on blue and green could come hang out for some good days when fBSS and YAKS were still good items.

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

I would play a 60 person item loot PVP vanilla server, all day. 100% better than a 60 person no item loot velious poop wagon.

A knight - I agree, and thats why red99 is so weird because "P99, classic comes first" started with a full custom ruleset, FFA, VARIABLE pvp engagement range that widened as you leveled up, EXP LOSS on pvp death, No teams, and I can't remember when PVP started if it was level 1 or 2 or 5 or what.

Really weird, not discussed on forums maybe discussed on some other back channel with some other guys and I for one was totally surprised that it was ratified into the final release after the long beta with no announcements or staff communication at all. I'm talking about like zero staff communication about any of the goings ons or feedback about the red99 beta server. I would have been happy with a 3 year beta where they screw with the rules and decide what they think works best but instead they just launched with their first idea, eventually they rolled back EXP loss, and eventually they switched it to static 4 level pvp engagement range.

But yeah.

Of the classic servers, Discord works, and Rallos works

Vallon / Tallon / Sullon have bad teams issues and need customized. Custom Sullon teams seems worth trying for all of the anti item loot people.

In the end I would dream that P99 makes a rallos zek classic server, adds planes like a billion years later, and then leaves it to fester like current red99. A beautiful static vanilla PVP item loot rallos zek server would be a great place of refuge and people tired of living in velious era on blue and green could come hang out for some good days when fBSS and YAKS were still good items.

Gustoo for President

[A Knight]

That would be awesome if we could get more people into classic EQ, by the company that owns the rights to EQ having a remodel of all the zones.

The same zones but slightly changed. So it is like playing EQ all over again from brand new, not knowing where anything is.

All the zones are the same basically. Unrest is still a giant mansion, but it has been changed. Maybe some drops changed. Maybe the most extreme change being east commons having more of a giant sand dune section going in the opposite direction.

It would be like having a new map in an FPS, making it hard to relearn all the places.

[Danger]

if its a p99 box sure, if its some drugbox with 30 players no. sorry reign of dragonspear roz ppl, id rather not play at all than play some flash in the pan garage server.

rogean, start talking about it pls.

[Raclen]

They aren't reign of dragonspear roz ppl. They are the same people that played Red99 that have moved on to better servers. They would all be on a new red99 server as well.

Some people like classic-kunark era and want to play that. There isn't a way to play those eras unless someone else makes the emulator. I have never seen an emulator community so stuck on one server, it is really odd how brainwashed the player base is.

I played multiple wow emulators and there wasn't this same resistance to jump onto new projects when they were what people wanted to try.

[Raclen]

I mean... the perfect server could open up with better coding and a team that actually cares..... and this community would be like no we need Rogean's name on it.

We need the guy who hates pvp servers, has no interest in running one and appointed corrupt GMs who ran RMT schemes to run his last server to be involved in this project.

[Old_PVP]

https://i.imgur.com/wz7wpjZ.png

Make it happen already.

[Old_PVP]

In the end I would dream that P99 makes a rallos zek classic server, adds planes like a billion years later, and then leaves it to fester like current red99. A beautiful static vanilla PVP item loot rallos zek server would be a great place of refuge and people tired of living in velious era on blue and green could come hang out for some good days when fBSS and YAKS were still good items.

Totally agree. The best pvp is when everyone is in rags. Ahh... the memories. Keep it Classic for literally a few years before rolling out Kunark. NEVER roll out Velious. No GM's are listening though. :(

[Disease]

I mean... the perfect server could open up with better coding and a team that actually cares..... and this community would be like no we need Rogean's name on it.

We need the guy who hates pvp servers, has no interest in running one and appointed corrupt GMs who ran RMT schemes to run his last server to be involved in this project.

I troll the red server chat, but this is the reality of p99 in a whole. I mean guides quit left and right because they even know that the head gms could give a fuck less about p99. Does p99 even hold gm events anymore? Or they just collect donations and tell the playerbase its their fault they're toxic, maybe next year?

[A Knight]

I would play a 60 person item loot PVP vanilla server, all day. 100% better than a 60 person no item loot velious poop wagon.

... A beautiful static vanilla PVP item loot rallos zek server would be a great place of refuge and people tired of living in velious era on blue and green could come hang out for some good days when fBSS and YAKS were still good items.

I'm starting to think this might be the best idea, as much as I personally would feel like I'm missing out on kunark. Let the server mass some population over a long period of time on vanilla for such reason. Then add kunark late as Old_PVP recommended, or maybe even as a final back up plan if population dies after many years. Of course if it gets a population in the first place.

[Kief]

There was only ONE GM that was part of RMT scheme, Derubael and he was found out and removed quickly. Sirken wasn't RMTing so much as being retarded and wanting to see some tits from some supposed chick that was most likely a man pretending to be a woman.

Rogean DOES give support to our community - and he use to regularly pop into Red and see how the community was doing and help out. It WAS the abuse of the players that made staff see it as a pariah of a server.

So don't rewrite history like the elites of our real world just because of bias and/or misconstrued ideology from the present iteration of the server.

It use to kick ass. And it could again, with a little love.

-Loudog

[Baler]

Sirken wasn't RMTing so much as being retarded and wanting to see some tits from some supposed chick

Sir Ken was RMTing.
He knew the rules, I don't know why he let it go down the way it did.

7. Real Money Trades (RMT) are not allowed on Project 1999.

The involvement of any currency, items, or services external to any Project 1999 Server (Including but not limited to: real money (USD, Euro, Etc), regulated or otherwise (Bitcoins), Food/Delivery, Virtual currency of any other game (Platinum on Live or other EQEmulator Servers, Beta Keys for the latest new game, etc)) for any of that Project 1999 server's virtual items or service (Including by not limited to: Items, Platinum, Powerlevelling, Accounts/Characters) is strictly forbidden. This is a very serious rule, and violation of this rule willl result in permanent bans of all the accounts of the players involved. Real money trades includes, but is not limited to, trading for items or platinum in game, powerleveling services, accounts, characters, or other services. Currency includes all forms of real world OR virtual currency (IE, bit-coins, WoW gold, etc) AND real world items (Pizza's, Blooming Onions, Televisions, etc). Do not joke about RMT on Project 1999. We will take all offers of RMT on Project 1999 seriously. Account trading and selling is not allowed on Project 1999 in any form.
source: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325349

His communication with guild leaders had also taken a hit and he was 'lieing' to many raid leaders on p99 blue near the end of his era.
How do I know this? I was having direct conversations with at least 3 guild leaders during this time. It's amazing the kind of info they'll volunteer to a stranger on the internet.
Of course I never used this information maliciously. I just liked being in the know and looking back I know about historical events of p99 that normal players never even heard about.

[Disease]

Sir Ken was RMTing.
He knew the rules, I don't know why he let it go down the way it did.


source: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325349

His communication with guild leaders had also taken a hit and he was 'lieing' to many raid leaders on p99 blue near the end of his era.
How do I know this? I was having direct conversations with at least 3 guild leaders during this time. It's amazing the kind of info they'll volunteer to a stranger on the internet.
Of course I never used this information maliciously. I just liked being in the know and looking back I know about historical events of p99 that normal players never even heard about.

Sirken was a great gm. Held events, always reachable by community, did alot of live streams to promote the server and so on. Way better then what we have now.

[Baler]

Sirken was a great gm. Held events, always reachable by community, did alot of live streams to promote the server and so on. Way better then what we have now.

Yeah the sirken era was a lot of fun. Learned a lot through those live streams, they were pretty unique in the private scene.

I don't think current management is comparable. It's apples to oranges.

[Raclen]

There was only ONE GM that was part of RMT scheme, Derubael and he was found out and removed quickly. Sirken wasn't RMTing so much as being retarded and wanting to see some tits from some supposed chick that was most likely a man pretending to be a woman.

Rogean DOES give support to our community - and he use to regularly pop into Red and see how the community was doing and help out. It WAS the abuse of the players that made staff see it as a pariah of a server.

So don't rewrite history like the elites of our real world just because of bias and/or misconstrued ideology from the present iteration of the server.

It use to kick ass. And it could again, with a little love.

-Loudog

Paymelinda was here on day 1 taking money for favors. Also saying that Rogean cares because he popped in every once in a while is a weak statement. Most devs really enjoy the server and are heavily involved when running a server. The staff on R99 has been bottom tier and it isn't rewriting history to say so. If a new classic pvp server was opening up on this project it would be best if someone other than Rogean was given full control instead of having that bottleneck of having a dev that gives that little of time.

[Kief]

Amelinda had a website where she sold baking goods. Did she promote that in game? And possibly reward some folks with some generosity in kind for their support? Sure. Would I classify that as RMT? Nah.

It wasn't game changing crap bro. Same with Sirken. Plus both of them were super active and would make response times compared to what it is now seem ridiculous.

Blistig has taken an active interest in the server as well recently. Whether that is a good thing or bad remains to be seen. But I think it's a good thing from the limited amount of play time I put in. Who do they report to ultimately? Rogean and Nilbog. Well, and Menden.

So just because they don't log in and announce their presence doesn't mean they don't care. Bottom tier isn't what i'd use. Rogean was actively promoting a new server for those interested until someone degraded him just as you are doing and he canned it.

Maybe that makes him thin skinned but this is a FREE Project. They don't HAVE to put up with people's bullshit. Period.

So bottleneck that, ya asshole.

[Kief]

As a side note: I am only supporting them because I've seen personally the amount of work a few of the members of this staff have put in for free. Llandris was my homie and it's a shame he has taken off.

Eunomia was also a good pal and great GM. Plus numerous other's that just couldn't take the mental disorder barrage from the amount of players.

Not even necessarily Red - but most of it came from the Blue server players.

At the end of the day take a step back and just realize they do this all for free man! Do you think you'd personally let people abuse you for free?

C'mon bud. Sorry for calling you an asshole but it's insane how people can be so narrow sighted.

Yer bro,
Loudog.

[Raclen]

Amelinda did favors for people for money. She didn't just advertise baked goods. I'm not saying there aren't good staff and if you have built some friendships with some of the devs I am not attacking that. This project was run terribly. The people you say put in a lot of time really didn't. They ran a couple events over 8 years. The changes made to the coding or how the server was run has been minimal over those 8 years. If you have any experience with any other emulator servers you have to admit that those servers get much more attention.

Project 1999 as a whole has had a tremendous amount of work and time put into it. Red99 on its own was just copied from blue with little work put into it. If there were devs that enjoyed this project here and there it still didn't matter because Rogean has always been a bottleneck to change on this server.

If people enjoy Everquest pvp and want a good server to play on they are going to have to get over the whole Rogean has to run it thing and move outside of P99. P99 has been done with Everquest PvP for years at this point and don't have any interest in it.

The dream that P99 is going to launch a new PvP server is delusional. Either move on to another game or look into the other projects that have devs that actually want to keep classic EQ pvp going. The cult following this server has is deserved because of the hardwork that has gone into Project 1999 as a whole but people need to realize the red99 project does not equal the quality of the blue 99 project. You can't clone a server, flag everyone for pvp and ignore it.

Even if half the devs weren't corrupt and awful it doesn't matter. The lead dev having no interest in change or working on the server ruins it. If he could delegate that would be a different story but he hasn't in the 8 years this server has been around.