Negative Health Impacts of Masks

[Raev]

Is a Mask That Covers the Mouth and Nose Free from Undesirable Side Effects in Everyday Use and Free of Potential Hazards? (https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/8/4344/htm)

Basically, this is the correctly done version of the 'Medical Hypotheses' paper that was retracted. Here are some highlights:


statistically significant drop in blood oxygen saturation (SpO 2 ) (p < 0.05)
The masked subjects showed statistically significant increases in heart rate (p < 0.001) and respiratory rate (p < 0.02) In addition, the investigators observed dizziness (p < 0.03), listlessness (p < 0.05), impaired thinking (p < 0.03) and concentration problems (p < 0.02)
As early as 2012, an experiment showed that walking in the 20 masked subjects compared to the identical activity without masks significantly increased heart rates average +9.4 beats per minute, p < 0.001) and breathing rates (p < 0.02)
In the evaluation of the primary papers, we also determined a statically significant correlation of the drop in oxygen saturation (SpO 2 ) and fatigue with a common occurrence in 58% of the mask use studies with significant results (Figure 2, p < 0.05).
In their level III evidence review, neurologists from Israel, the UK and the USA state that a mask is unsuitable for epileptics because it can trigger hyperventilation. The use of a mask significantly increases the respiratory rate by about plus 15 to 20% [15,21,23,34,64]. However, an increase in breathing frequency leading to hyperventilation is known to be used for provocation in the diagnosis of epilepsy and causes seizure equivalent EEG changes in 80% of patients with generalized epilepsy and in up to 28% of focal epileptics
Physicians from New York studied the effects of wearing masks of the surgical-type mask and N95 among medical personnel in a sample of 343 participants (surveyed using standardized, anonymized questionnaires). Wearing the masks caused detectable physical adverse effects such as impaired cognition (24% of wearers) and headaches in 71.4% of the participants. Of these, 28% persisted and required medication. Headache occurred in 15.2% under 1 h of wear, in 30.6% after 2 h of wear and in 29.7% after 3 h of wear.
Confusion, disorientation and even drowsiness (Likert scale questionnaire) and reduced motoric abilities (measured with a linear position transducer) with reduced reactivity and overall impaired performance (measured with the Roberge Subjective Symptoms-during-Work Scale) as a result of mask use have also been documented in other studies
Significantly increased headache (p < 0.05) could be observed not only for N95 but also for surgical masks in participants of another observational study of health care workers
The use of masks for several hours often causes further detectable adverse effects such as headaches, local acne, mask-associated skin irritation, itching, sensations of heat and dampness, impairments and discomfort predominantly affecting the head and face
According to a questionnaire survey, masks also frequently cause anxiety and psychovegetative stress reactions in children—as well as in adults—with an increase in psychosomatic and stress-related illnesses and depressive self-experience, reduced participation,social withdrawal and lowered health-related self-care. Over 50% of the mask wearers studied had at least mild depressive feelings
Provocation of gingivitis (inflammation of the gums), halitosis (bad breath), candidiasis (fungal infestation of the mucous membranes with Candida albicans) and cheilitis (inflammation of the lips), especially of the corners of the mouth, and even plaque and caries are attributed to the excessive and improper use of masks.
The results of a Chilean study with health care workers show that masks act like an acoustic filter and provoke excessively loud speech. This causes a voice disorder


So, if anyone is asking why you don't want to wear a mask, send them this paper and ask whether all of that is really a good idea, especially considering that masks do not prevent COVID transmission (https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817).

[HalflingSpergand]

Yes i think that masks go well with antidepressants.

[starkind]

Antidepressants are more dangerous than opiods.

[G13]

In before Rolling Stone article claiming masks work because Koch Brothers or something

[BlackBellamy]

Obvious study is obvious.

Let me shove a bunch of shit over my mouth and nose holes that tens of thousands of years of natural selection and evolution have designed to operate efficiently and think nothing bad will happen.

[Ennewi]

In before Rolling Stone article claiming masks work because Koch Brothers or something

I like articles that aren't retracted.

[Raev]

Obvious study is obvious.

Let me shove a bunch of shit over my mouth and nose holes that tens of thousands of years of natural selection and evolution have designed to operate efficiently and think nothing bad will happen.

The real question in my mind is "Why are these obvious facts no longer obvious to people who went to college"?

I like articles that aren't retracted.

Does that include this one? I think the risk of retraction is near zero. One of the annoying things about the retracted paper was that the author cited a bunch of medical textbooks rather than actual studies regarding the negative impact of masks on health. In other words, he was correct, but sloppy.

[Ennewi]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk–benefit_ratio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk%E2%80%93benefit_ratio)

Analyzing a risk can be heavily dependent on the human factor. A certain level of risk in our lives is accepted as necessary to achieve certain benefits. For example, driving an automobile is a risk most people take daily, also since it is mitigated by the controlling factor of their perception of their individual ability to manage the risk-creating situation. When individuals are exposed to involuntary risk (a risk over which they have no control), they make risk aversion their primary goal. Under these circumstances individuals require the probability of risk to be as much as one thousand times smaller than for the same situation under their perceived control (a notable example being the common bias in the perception of risk in flying vs. driving).

[Raev]

Ambiguously quoting tangential Wikipedia articles is a great debate strategy, but it's not a great way to arrive at the truth. Which one is your goal here?

[G13]

I like articles that aren't retracted.

Don't bother reading The NYT or AP then

P.S. Nobody is wearing N95 masks except some loser on these forums who is probably lying

[Cecily]

Masks get me called ma'am and she a few years earlier than I'd be able to afford face fixing surgery, so I'm kinda ok with it. I got a 96% on my psych nursing final with a mask on, so it can't be killing too many brain cells. The people, myself included, wearing n95s in the operating room seemed to be doing ok. Those masks suck though, fucking hurt your face. Ofc the mask you're bitching about probably isn't one of those, is it?

[G13]

Masks get me called ma'am and she a few years earlier than I'd be able to afford face fixing surgery, so I'm kinda ok with it. I got a 96% on my psych nursing final with a mask on, so it can't be killing too many brain cells. The people, myself included, wearing n95s in the operating room seemed to be doing ok. Those masks suck though, fucking hurt your face. Ofc the mask you're bitching about probably isn't one of those, is it?

The vast majority of masks people are wearing are not N95

99.999999% of all the masks people are wearing are store bought or cloth masks. Most people nowadays are even leaving their noses exposed. Most of these masks have not been replaced for months, because it's obvious people are only wearing them in public because of the mandates, not because of any health concerns. It's all just an illusion.

What annoys me is that there is this army of lefties though, preaching from a pulpit that if you don't wear a mask in public you are killing grandma (as if they care about people - give me a break) pretending like they do something (when they don't) and disguising their true motive which is the power to coerce people (through fear) into giving into their demands.

The problem is data is slowly starting to roll out and it turns out outside exposure and transmission is basically zero. I'll even link a NYT article (with insane spin) because ironies

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/briefing/outdoor-covid-transmission-cdc-number.html?referringSource=articleShare

These demands are not going to stop with Covid. They are going to monkey branch into other things (See Global Warming) and you're going to see retards like Ennewi pasting Wikipedia links smugly explaining to people why they have to pay insane energy/fuel prices because some guy said so in an article somewhere. It's stupid.

I haven't even gone into the economic damage the lockdowns/mask mandates have caused. Amazon/Walmart aren't hurting though.

[Cecily]

I'm actually worried about the environmental damage of masks more than anything. Poor sea turtles :(

[G13]

I'm actually worried about the environmental damage of masks more than anything. Poor sea turtles :(

You bring up a good point and yes I've thought about this too

Go to your local grocery store parking lot and there are discarded masks all over the place littering the ground

[Jimjam]

I searched through all the pre-velious masks for all classes on https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Face

Sorting for both hp and stamina, I couldn't find a single mask that lowered health.

Myth: Busted!

[Gravydoo II]

This is the important part:
The objective was to search for documented adverse effects and risks of different types of mouth–nose-covering masks. Of interest here were, on the one hand, readymade and self-manufactured fabric masks, including so-called community masks and, on the other hand medical, surgical and N95 masks (FFP2 masks).

So they are mixing the results of home made garbage masks, made of shirts n shit, with professionally made masks for an specific purpose. Not synthetics designed for the job, just fabrics.

Yeah, you gonna get stupid side effects when you wrap a sweater around your mouth and nose. Congrats. You just found out you cant put a home made mask made of old sheets over your face and not suffocate a bit.

Why didnt they just do a study using N95 masks and some control groups?? Oh that wouldnt bring the results you want. Best to just search for only negative effects you find not associated with N95 masks, stack the deck with those problems, then include N95's.

It's not wrong, just stupid. Like saying "sharks will kill you always" then attributing the behavior of bull sharks to nurse sharks. They are two different things.

[Raev]

Masks get me called ma'am and she a few years earlier than I'd be able to afford face fixing surgery, so I'm kinda ok with it. I got a 96% on my psych nursing final with a mask on, so it can't be killing too many brain cells.

Remember that a p value is the likelihood that the observation is noise, not the magnitude of the change. In other words, this paper does not say 'Everyone who puts on a mask instantly turns into a chimpanzee with a heart attack'. It says that wearing masks reduces the amount of oxygen in the body when then impacts your physical and mental performance negatively. As BlackBellamy says, it is fucking obvious.

What annoys me is that there is this army of lefties though, preaching from a pulpit that if you don't wear a mask in public you are killing grandma (as if they care about people - give me a break) pretending like they do something (when they don't) and disguising their true motive which is the power to coerce people (through fear) into giving into their demands.

Yes, exactly. All progressive points boil down to '... and that's why I need to be in charge regardless of our relative ability'. And that's why the forum battles here are so vicious: it's about being able to call other people idiots.

The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.

[Raev]

Why didnt they just do a study using N95 masks and some control groups?? Oh that wouldnt bring the results you want. Best to just search for only negative effects you find not associated with N95 masks, stack the deck with those problems, then include N95's.

No one is wearing N95s, so my quotes are for normal masks (unless I screwed up). The quoted paper is a survey paper that reports the results of 60 something separate studies, and I simply skipped the results for N95s as virtually no one is wearing one anyway, so I felt the comparison would be unfair, because N95s restrict your breathing more than cloth masks, not less. If you read the paper, the people wearing N95s suffered the worst.

[unsunghero]

A few people have suffered cardiac arrests and died while attempting to exercise in masks. This was happening in China long before COVID. This is due to many of China's citizens choosing to wear masks outside due to China's pollution problems in big cities

Most recently it happened to a high school student in Oregon, who was forced to wear a mask while RUNNING A RACE (so stupid) https://www.westernjournal.com/hs-runner-collapses-finish-line-due-complete-oxygen-debt-coach-points-finger-mask-mandates/ (although she didn't die). I wonder what would be more difficult, running an 800m dash wearing a mask or running it while attempting to smoke a cigarette?

If that was an outside event, forcing a healthy high school student to wear a mask during a race is just about the stupidest thing I've heard this year. But I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming it was an inside event

Gyms in our state had a mask mandate for a full year. It makes some sense, considering the gym is most likely where I caught COVID in July of 2020. Good thing I didn't pass it to anyone vulnerable and it was a joke a get over because I'm not old or fat. I actually got used to the mask mandate however, after trying many different types I found the best one to be those N95 ones with the plastic cup piece, I'd leave the bottom strap undone and work out with just the top strap on. The only time I would really struggle with wearing a mask was leg day. After a set of lunges, squats, or deadlifts, I would be winded and just could not catch my breath with the mask on. This is where that N95 one comes in handy. I'd just pull the bottom strap out and it would slightly lift the lower part of the mask. I could breathe more freely, but my breath was still directed straight down and not out, because the mask was still 80% covering my face

After the state lifted mandatory masking (Our COVID rates went from 5,000 new/day to 600 new/day following vaccines), almost no one continued to wear masks at the gym. I did the first day just to be polite (plus I don't like to bring negative attention to myself by being "THAT GUY" who's the only person in a particular place not following the rules), but quickly took it off when I noticed no one else was bothering. Even older people, I'm assuming it's because they are vaccinated

Anyway TLDR: the idea of working out in a mask is pretty ridiculous from a health perspective, although it seems to be possible for non-cardio exercises

[Gravydoo II]

To say that it isnt slanted to make n95 masks look bad would just be wrong though. Why would they even include those masks at all?? Seems like they just wanted to find a way to say "masks bad". Why would you even include two things so dissimilar?? A home made shirt around your mouth and a professionally made mask from a company with years of feed back and experience are just not the same. Then to put them both in the same group, as if they were equals, its not to make them look good. The whole "paper" which is just an amalgamation of other papers, pretty much just cherry picking, quote mining. It only includes the worst results.

Like yea, it may be correct, but i could do that too with anything. 50 reasons why oranges kill you, then just include "home made orange killing machines" and that list fills out pretty quickly and with a lot of bad shit happening.

Oh and if anyone wants to split hairs on my blocking your mouth hole a few percent is bad, we can do that but its like.. everyone knows what a restrictor plate is. Some how, the cars still work. Yeah they not making 800 hp but they making 600 comfortably.

[Ennewi]

Ambiguously quoting tangential Wikipedia articles is a great debate strategy, but it's not a great way to arrive at the truth. Which one is your goal here?

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/558156/meaning-of-truth-like-gold-is-to-be-obtained-not-by-its-growth-but-by-washin

Reality holds more complexities than any singular truth, present or past, can do justice. A lot of what was true centuries ago doesn't track with our current understanding. Similarly, what's considered true today will be better understood and articulated centuries from now, assuming humankind survives itself. If it isn't the whole truth, than by definition it isn't the truth. That is the issue with having only one or two articles/studies to support an argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

And of course truth can also depend greatly on personal experience. For instance, an able-bodied person who claims that "masks don't do anything" would be considered addle-brained by anyone with cystic fibrosis. Something, something, risk–benefit ratio.

https://midwesternnewspapers.com/wearing-masks-no-new-experience-for-parents-of-child-with-cystic-fibrosis/

“If medical science has proven it saves lives in the CF world,” said Shane. “It’s that simple. People did die because they thought CF kids needed an outlet, something in common so they had this camp for them to play but it backfired.

https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/full/10.1164/rccm.201503-0481LE

The recently updated Cystic Fibrosis Foundation infection control guidelines advise people with cystic fibrosis (CF) to wear a surgical mask in healthcare settings to reduce the risk for transmission or acquisition of CF pathogens (1).

Surgical masks were originally developed to prevent droplet contamination of operating fields. Very little is known about their ability to prevent droplet nuclei generation. Some investigators suggest that droplet nuclei cannot be formed, as the originator droplets will be impacted on the mask (6). Others argue that small infectious particles originating from the lung, rather than impacting on an obstructing mask, will follow airstreams flowing around the edges of relatively loose fitting surgical masks (7). Both arguments relate directly to Newton’s laws of motion: Newton’s first law states objects in motion will continue to move in the same direction unless acted on by an unbalanced force. Therefore, large particles will impact on an obstructing object (a mask), whereas small particles do not need much force (F = ma; Newton’s second law) to change direction and might be able to follow airstreams around the mask’s edges.

We aimed to determine whether surgical masks were effective in reducing the airborne spread of P. aeruginosa by people with CF when coughing.

Despite these study limitations, we demonstrated that surgical masks were effective in reducing the airborne load of P. aeruginosa when colonized individuals with CF cough. Our data provide evidence for the new Cystic Fibrosis Foundation guideline to wear surgical masks in healthcare settings.

The italicized section is why some believe "masks don't do anything"; however, even in this study, that generalization is not accurate.

[Ennewi]

I searched through all the pre-velious masks for all classes on https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Face

Sorting for both hp and stamina, I couldn't find a single mask that lowered health.

Myth: Busted!

Yeah but then there's the Moss Mask (https://wiki.project1999.com/Moss_Mask).

[Nocht]

https://youtu.be/X29lF43mUlo

[Cecily]

Yeah but then there's the Moss Mask (https://wiki.project1999.com/Moss_Mask).
There's been reported deaths of people wearing that mask.

[Jibartik]

Bros if you live on the coast and wear 5 masks you breathe more o2 than someone on a nude walk in colorado

[G13]

The italicized section is why some believe "masks don't do anything"; however, even in this study, that generalization is not accurate.

Nope

They really don't do anything

[Raev]

random quotes

Why don't you put that brain to good use seeking the truth rather than debating? We both know that mess of quotes is quite irrelevant, and the goal is to be correct, not right.

everyone knows what a restrictor plate is. Some how, the cars still work. Yeah they not making 800 hp but they making 600 comfortably.

Actually, I had to google restrictor plate! But here is the key point: Why would you want to run your body at 600 hp rather than 800? And what happens to civilization when we all run at 90% capacity?

Seems like they just wanted to find a way to say "masks bad". Why would you even include two things so dissimilar?? A home made shirt around your mouth and a professionally made mask from a company with years of feed back and experience are just not the same. Then to put them both in the same group, as if they were equals, its not to make them look good. The whole "paper" which is just an amalgamation of other papers, pretty much just cherry picking, quote mining. It only includes the worst results.

It's a real paper by real PhD scientists in a real peer-reviewed journal. Personally I think we should trust the science here. But more seriously: why is it so difficult for you to believe that masks cause chronic, low level stress? As BlackBellamy says, obvious study is obvious.

[Jibartik]

But here is the key point: Why would you want to run your body at 600 hp rather than 800? And what happens to civilization when we all run at 90% capacity?

https://www.healthline.com/health/training-mask-benefits#benefits

https://www.menshealth.com/uk/fitness/a756278/should-you-wear-a-mask-during-training/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4879455/

When you wear a training mask, your body begins to adapt to the reduced oxygen intake, making your heart and lungs work harder.

Then, when you take the mask off, you’ll get a big boost — your body has adapted to the restricted oxygen and is able to use the oxygen more efficiently, which helps you perform better.

After using a training mask for some time, you may feel like you can run faster, jump higher, or bike for a longer duration. If you’re a competitor, this may give you an edge over the people you’re up against.

Get away from your PC and do some lifting

[Raev]

You are confusing acute and chronic stress. Also, they took the masks OFF to demonstrate the performance results, which again shows that wearing masks slows you down. But more to the point, this is why Science exists. Actual experiments show mask wearing causes negative symptoms.

[Jibartik]

did they take the masks OFF to DEMONSTRATE the performance RESULTS?

[Raev]

did they take the masks OFF to DEMONSTRATE the performance RESULTS?

Were you wearing a mask when you wrote this sentence?

[Jibartik]

https://youtu.be/VSKn8RlD7Is?t=16

[Tunabros]

this dude really wrote a scientific forum post to prove masks are bad for you

holy shit

we truly do live in a society

[Pulgasari]

https://i.imgur.com/tZ1JkM9.jpg

[GinnasP99]

^that's fucking hilarious.
Shoutout to the sun.

[G13]

^that's fucking hilarious.
Shoutout to the sun.

Shoutout to the tanning bed

[Falditin]

^that's fucking hilarious.
Shoutout to the sun.

Her face is soo much darker than her arms, also the skin is a lot lighter at her hair line, especially at the corners. Makes me think she wore a mask then put makeup on.

[Falditin]

Confusion, disorientation and even drowsiness (Likert scale questionnaire) and reduced motoric abilities (measured with a linear position transducer) with reduced reactivity and overall impaired performance (measured with the Roberge Subjective Symptoms-during-Work Scale) as a result of mask use have also been documented in other studies


Letme ask a stupid question. Its been a common practice for the last 100 years or so for doctors to wear masks. Its not uncommon for surgeons to spend 15+ hours in surgery wearing masks.

If your above statement is true that masks cause confusion, disorientation, sleepiness and loss of motor skills, why do you think we are just now seeing studies done? Why hasn't anyone in the last 100 years noticed the surgeon get confused and think their patient is a giraffe? In the decades of surgery no one noticed that the doc, outside the OR can thread a needle on the first try but in surgery he holds a scalpel like a 2 year holds a spoon?

[G13]

Letme ask a stupid question. Its been a common practice for the last 100 years or so for doctors to wear masks. Its not uncommon for surgeons to spend 15+ hours in surgery wearing masks.

If your above statement is true that masks cause confusion, disorientation, sleepiness and loss of motor skills, why do you think we are just now seeing studies done? Why hasn't anyone in the last 100 years noticed the surgeon get confused and think their patient is a giraffe? In the decades of surgery no one noticed that the doc, outside the OR can thread a needle on the first try but in surgery he holds a scalpel like a 2 year holds a spoon?

Do you want to live the rest of your life like you're performing 15 hour surgeries everyday?

[reznor_]

Is a Mask That Covers the Mouth and Nose Free from Undesirable Side Effects in Everyday Use and Free of Potential Hazards? (https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/8/4344/htm)

Basically, this is the correctly done version of the 'Medical Hypotheses' paper that was retracted. Here are some highlights:


statistically significant drop in blood oxygen saturation (SpO 2 ) (p < 0.05)
The masked subjects showed statistically significant increases in heart rate (p < 0.001) and respiratory rate (p < 0.02) In addition, the investigators observed dizziness (p < 0.03), listlessness (p < 0.05), impaired thinking (p < 0.03) and concentration problems (p < 0.02)
As early as 2012, an experiment showed that walking in the 20 masked subjects compared to the identical activity without masks significantly increased heart rates average +9.4 beats per minute, p < 0.001) and breathing rates (p < 0.02)
In the evaluation of the primary papers, we also determined a statically significant correlation of the drop in oxygen saturation (SpO 2 ) and fatigue with a common occurrence in 58% of the mask use studies with significant results (Figure 2, p < 0.05).
In their level III evidence review, neurologists from Israel, the UK and the USA state that a mask is unsuitable for epileptics because it can trigger hyperventilation. The use of a mask significantly increases the respiratory rate by about plus 15 to 20% [15,21,23,34,64]. However, an increase in breathing frequency leading to hyperventilation is known to be used for provocation in the diagnosis of epilepsy and causes seizure equivalent EEG changes in 80% of patients with generalized epilepsy and in up to 28% of focal epileptics
Physicians from New York studied the effects of wearing masks of the surgical-type mask and N95 among medical personnel in a sample of 343 participants (surveyed using standardized, anonymized questionnaires). Wearing the masks caused detectable physical adverse effects such as impaired cognition (24% of wearers) and headaches in 71.4% of the participants. Of these, 28% persisted and required medication. Headache occurred in 15.2% under 1 h of wear, in 30.6% after 2 h of wear and in 29.7% after 3 h of wear.
Confusion, disorientation and even drowsiness (Likert scale questionnaire) and reduced motoric abilities (measured with a linear position transducer) with reduced reactivity and overall impaired performance (measured with the Roberge Subjective Symptoms-during-Work Scale) as a result of mask use have also been documented in other studies
Significantly increased headache (p < 0.05) could be observed not only for N95 but also for surgical masks in participants of another observational study of health care workers
The use of masks for several hours often causes further detectable adverse effects such as headaches, local acne, mask-associated skin irritation, itching, sensations of heat and dampness, impairments and discomfort predominantly affecting the head and face
According to a questionnaire survey, masks also frequently cause anxiety and psychovegetative stress reactions in children—as well as in adults—with an increase in psychosomatic and stress-related illnesses and depressive self-experience, reduced participation,social withdrawal and lowered health-related self-care. Over 50% of the mask wearers studied had at least mild depressive feelings
Provocation of gingivitis (inflammation of the gums), halitosis (bad breath), candidiasis (fungal infestation of the mucous membranes with Candida albicans) and cheilitis (inflammation of the lips), especially of the corners of the mouth, and even plaque and caries are attributed to the excessive and improper use of masks.
The results of a Chilean study with health care workers show that masks act like an acoustic filter and provoke excessively loud speech. This causes a voice disorder


So, if anyone is asking why you don't want to wear a mask, send them this paper and ask whether all of that is really a good idea, especially considering that masks do not prevent COVID transmission (https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817).

god damn you are a dumb ass. that shroud is wasted on you

[Gravydoo II]

When you believe that Kris Kobach found 11 million illegal votes, you'll believe anything.

[Gwaihir]

I don't wear a mask when I'm soloing on my wiz, but if I have LFG up, and I somehow do get a group, I wear a mask, more as a courtesy, so I don't offend the pansies living in fear.

[Falditin]

Do you want to live the rest of your life like you're performing 15 hour surgeries everyday?

How is wearing a mask the equivalent to performing a 15 hour surgery?

My argument is that if these effects were true, that someone would have noticed long ago that surgeons become confused, disoriented and the loss of fine motor skills.

You have to admit, people will catch on very quickly when the surgeon becomes disoriented. Sorry I didn't make my point clearer.

[Pulgasari]

Her face is soo much darker than her arms, also the skin is a lot lighter at her hair line, especially at the corners. Makes me think she wore a mask then put makeup on.

in hindsight i agree. fake but imagine if they did

[feniin]

god damn you are a dumb ass. that shroud is wasted on you

[nostalgiaquest]

If you legitimately experience any of the symptoms in the OP while wearing a cloth/surgical mask, you should be genuinely afraid of the rona. And you might want to consider a change in diet and exercise.

Also....

this dude really wrote a scientific forum post to prove masks are bad for you

holy shit

we truly do live in a society

...this

Don't we already have a thread for this nonsense anyways? Quit spamming out the good threads.

[Toxigen]

havent worn a mask in months

[Raev]

If your above statement is true that masks cause confusion, disorientation, sleepiness and loss of motor skills, why do you think we are just now seeing studies done? Why hasn't anyone in the last 100 years noticed the surgeon get confused and think their patient is a giraffe? In the decades of surgery no one noticed that the doc, outside the OR can thread a needle on the first try but in surgery he holds a scalpel like a 2 year holds a spoon?

It's a reasonable question and yes, it actually is a problem. Surgeons have lower blood oxygen and increased heart rates (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1130147308702355?via%3Dihub) during surgery. But, as I explained to Cecily, no one is claiming that everyone wearing a mask instantly transforms into a chimpanzee, only that it negatively impacts performance and increases stress. And finally, the body is designed to deal with foreign substances coming in through the nose and mouth quite well in comparison to things directly injected into the blood.

And you might want to consider a change in diet and exercise.

This.

Don't we already have a thread for this nonsense anyways? Quit spamming out the good threads.

No, we have a troll thread for a retracted paper with 50 pages of pointless arguments. This one is totally different, and you can tell because there are far more mental meltdowns in this thread by people whose brains simply can't handle the cognitive dissonance.

[Patriam1066]

Raev cmon dude you’re pretty far down the rabbit hole, you’re smarter than this

[Raev]

Raev cmon dude you’re pretty far down the rabbit hole, you’re smarter than this

Look, I realize admitting you are wrong is not fun, especially about deeply held beliefs. I know this because I've been forced to do it so frequently, and you can even find my mistakes immortalized on these forums, e.g. I was wrong about Trump and Benford's Law. But discarding our incorrect beliefs is the only way I know of to arrive at the truth.

This thread is generating so much cognitive dissonance because it is obvious to a 3rd grader that wearing a mask is unpleasant and stressful. They are the modern version of the Emperor's New Clothes. But lots of people jumped on the mask bandwagon for social status. Suddenly obese donutarians wearing masks were health conscious social pillars! And they could revel in their Karenhood - finally they were doing something right and they could let loose their righteous anger on those 'covidiots'.

It's time to leave the Karen party and join the Truth and Beauty party. And the best part is that your past history doesn't matter; after all no one arrives at the truth without making a load of mistakes first.

[myrddraal]

If any of that drivel were true, doctors and surgeons would have all died out by now. Dont be stupid, wear a mask, change your mask, wash if using a cloth one, and try not to constantly touch it. :)

[G13]

If any of that drivel were true, doctors and surgeons would have all died out by now. Dont be stupid, wear a mask, change your mask, wash if using a cloth one, and try not to constantly touch it. :)

No

[Horza]

No

This is what conservatives think is a convincing argument.

[Jibartik]

Im disappointed conservatives are so out of shape they never heard of training masks.

[Jibartik]

:smacks forhead:

I guess I should have said stupid they never heard of altitudes.

[Jibartik]

In FLA everyone has suffered the effects of long term drowning because of all the humidity.

[Toxigen]

These people just refuse to admit they've been duped / manipulated into being a bunch of pussies.

[Jibartik]

Yeah the other elf simmers are not pussies!

[G13]

This is what conservatives think is a convincing argument.

Maskholes telling people to wash their hands on a message board is pathetic and stupid

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/aQLTWb0.jpg

[Jibartik]

The forever purge.

[G13]

https://i.imgur.com/aQLTWb0.jpg

No funny gas line meme?

You disappoint

[Pulgasari]

In FLA everyone has suffered the effects of long term drowning because of all the humidity.

I rate this claim as true

[Raev]

If any of that drivel were true, doctors and surgeons would have all died out by now. Dont be stupid, wear a mask, change your mask, wash if using a cloth one, and try not to constantly touch it. :)

That article was written by PhDs, experts in their field, and published in a peer reviewed journal. It reflects not only their opinions, but the opinions of the other 60 papers they reviewed, which were also written by experts. In other words, the consensus of both scientists and 3rd graders is that wearing masks lowers your physical and mental performance but does not prevent COVID transmission (https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817).

[starkind]

I'm actually worried about the environmental damage of masks more than anything. Poor sea turtles :(

Yah. Mass manufacturing and harvesting of cotton and polycarbons is no good.

Less bad if we made our own out of used double or triple layers of cotton.

A large majority of painters masks which ppl wastefully use to comply with social norms are made in China.

We probably afflicted people with more horrible deformities, cancers, and terminal illnesses with the mask industry/ economy than all of the influenzas combined throughout human history..

Reason #56447 not to get bent over masks.

The fuel production and waste from inefficiently transporting and distributing masks alone probably increased heavy metal pollution a non trivial amount.

[imperiouskitten]

Masks get me called ma'am and she a few years earlier than I'd be able to afford face fixing surgery, so I'm kinda ok with it.

can't relate lol

I like masks though, and hope they stick around and stay socially acceptable. I enjoy wearing mine, feel more comfortable with crowds & germy children, and experience less "public anxiety" in one. Except I'm kind of mad that a bunch of my makeup is finna expire unused.

I like having the option to use my face power or not. I love the moment when you remove mask after acquainting veiled, where the reaction to my appearance is done in realtime. It's a real power trip to remove your mask and feel the male you are interacting with suddenly become nervous. Veiling the face is sexy.

[Cecily]

https://i.imgur.com/2cHjEax.gif

[HalflingSpergand]

Ugly people like masks and i think that statistically most people are ugly. So im surprised most people think masks are pretty gay since they are so ugly

[Patriam1066]

Ugly people like masks and i think that statistically most people are ugly. So im surprised most people think masks are pretty gay since they are so ugly

Solid post, I too am a handsomillionaire