Help me decide - twink rogue or warrior

[Anxarcule]

I'm looking to try 2 classes I never really played before and wanted to twink them pretty well so I could effectively solo as due to my schedule my grouping will be limited. I know neither of these are classic solo classes but as long as it's possible to do I'm willing to try.

I had considered SK but I've heard countless stories of burnout once you hit 50 due to low DPS and that exp penalty is rough (playing on green).

Warrior seems like it can have a really fun playstyle being able to swap between different weapons mid fight, and I think it would be interesting to pump dex so I can have a good proc rate - swapping between proc weapons for various debuffs could make the class more interesting.

Rogue is good when needing to afk or for dungeon exploration (something I'd love to be able to do without conning everything for see invis), and as I understand you can still backstab when soloing with good positioning. Also their DPS could make things a lot of fun and would probably have a more interesting playstyle than the warrior.

As far as gear, I would be getting a fungi and have a FBSS I can move from a melee character. I've only looked at rogue gear so far as I am more leaning towards that but have read in a few places that a twinked warrior is really fun (more so than a rogue).

I'm not against grouping, just if I'm realistic I won't have as much time to commit to longer sessions.

Any insight from people who have gone done this route before would be appreciated!

[Baler]

Rogue offers the most chill laid back playstyle. You can afk as noted with hide/stealth, it has a max of three jobs. Lockpick, corpsedrag and backstab. It's the easiest highest damage in the game of any class. Poison making is lack luster but a couple of them can be useful like the 50% slow poison. That said they do get some fun proc weapons.

Warrior is a more active playstyle once you start getting higher in levels. Their skills also promote this as they can still do damage but have the defensive skills to compliment. A properly geared raid warrior can do a lot of damage and take very little in return. This is obviously why warrior is the main tank for raids. The reason I'm droning on is this gives warrior the advantage to solo in some sense. Warriors also get the most toys it feels like in regards to proc weapons.

Dual wielding Blood Point (https://wiki.project1999.com/Blood_Point) with high dex and some haste is a lot of fun, at lvl 51.

If you do go warrior, please put all your creation points into dex. In Velious you will not regret this decision.

edit: ps. combat bind wound was removed from p99. If you get hit, it will interrupt your bindwound.

[Jimjam]

Also engaging auto attack interrupts bind wound.

[Toxigen]

You've done twink monk I assume?

If not, go monk over warrior. Way better for the type of play you're looking for.

Just...don't go rogue if you plan on solo...its awful... even twinked.

[Anxarcule]

Thanks for the responses!

I played monk on live, again on red circa 2015, and leveled my necro with my bro who played a twinked monk so I'd rather do a class that is more new to me.

I think warrior sounds like it might be the best bet - I do need to do a bit more research as to what weapons to I should get to help me get the most out of my leveling, hopefully those that proc early.

[Toxigen]

Thanks for the responses!

I played monk on live, again on red circa 2015, and leveled my necro with my bro who played a twinked monk so I'd rather do a class that is more new to me.

I think warrior sounds like it might be the best bet - I do need to do a bit more research as to what weapons to I should get to help me get the most out of my leveling, hopefully those that proc early.

Reaver + Staff of Battle til 50 then 2x Bloodpoints + Truncheon of Doom

I'd try to get better haste...RBB or RBG at least. After fungi, haste will have the biggest effect on your leveling speed. 21% to 31% may shed hundreds of hours off your /played depending on how much you wind up grouping. Can do Staff of Battle + fungi + RBB and just fill in your other slots with cheap str / hp gear (have agi at or above 75) and off you go to 50. No need to worry about dex gear until then. I suppose a snare weapon could be a good choice too to help w/ runners.

At 50 it'll get slow, but Truncheon of Doom on every mob first, proc the slow, and swap to 2x Bloodpoints and thats about as good as it gets for the solo war.

[Anxarcule]

I'm on green so Reaver would be a no go for near future (prices will likely be insane for the first year) but staff of battle looks good. Bloodpoints and truncheon are badass and would love to try that with high dex :)

[Snaggles]

I’m not sure if battle bind-wound works on green or if the root nets are still instant cast and affordable to recharge. I know these were a serious benefit for a pure melee class.

A rogue is probably the worst solo class out there besides a cleric killing non-undead. At least past level 50. Warriors with mid rate gear are as well without a fungi or invig BP. I got a gnome warrior with the tinkered haste arms to 56 solo and just quit to do other things. It wasn’t hard in Hk.

Either way I’d keep to easy targets like HK. A locustlure would definitely help as would a ToD once you get Evasive. Blood points for either (I’d offhand the RB if soloing a rogue probably). In this game time is your most valuable resource and patience your best virtue. You only really need one 6 min blue spawn to solo to 60. I’ve done with with a number of chars including a ranger and pally. It’s boring but windowed EQ and YouTube is a match made in heaven. I’d probably dabble with rogue poison too just to make the grind less boring. You can make lower Paralyzing Root/slow poison with vendor bought regs.

[Twochain]

I've had giga twinked rogue and warrior.

Rogue is a little bit more fun. Also I found that my rogue solo'd just as well as my warrior into the late 40s. Especially when you learn to land backstabs with agro.

Both classes are ultra boring to play in groups. Leveling my rogue from 56-60 was one of the most boring experiences i've had. Legit one handed gaming. (And I had a Vyemm Fang at level 56) Warrior is exactly the same... except rogues offer phenomenal DPS in groups and warriors are.... not great in groups. My poor poor warrior, who has had a KT axe since level 5, hasn't made it out of the 40s because I just can't bring myself to level it. Soloing is slow and boring.

End game... warriors are bad ass. But also require the absolute most amount of gear out of any class.

End game rogues.... you can pretty much have EC gear and epic and put out almost the same amount of DPS as any non-primal proc'd rogue at the raid.

I'd pick rogue. But if you go warrior, just worry about DPS weapons until you are forced to group. Reaver, Swiftblade of zek, etc. Also wavecrasher sucks don't even bother with it.

[Snaggles]

Yea rogues certainly can get by far cheaper. Max str, get some good svs for raiding (jewelry), Ragebringer + anything else.

A 500k EC rogue is not 10x a 50k one. Nobody really asks your hps either so there goes that aspect of peer pressure.

[jolanar]

If you plan to solo a lot, a warrior will be the better choice in the long run.

But if you haven't considered it a monk will be better than both by a longshot.

[Gozuk]

I love both classes. Warriors for me are probably the most fun class to twink since they can wear so many different types of armor and use almost any weapon. Monks by comparison are a little boring IMO since they can only use leather and sticks.

Rogue (for me) was a blast to level up. Probably the most fun I've had was leveling up in Seb on my Rogue as my first character.

[Crede]

SK if you can live with the xp penalty & less dps, still optimal for your solo style play & exploration desires. Can go anywhere with CoS/FD.

If you're set on warrior, go with DE/WE for hide or halfling for sneak/hide for some added utility.

[Keebz]

If you're set on warrior, go with DE/WE for hide or halfling for sneak/hide for some added utility.

Halfling Warrior is unreasonably fun.

[sajbert]

Halfling Warrior is unreasonably fun.
Saves you the need for cobalt bracers too.

That said. A tiny troll with fungi and blood points, what's not to love about that?

[Stonewallx39]

You don’t need to hours of play time to get into some small groups. If you camp out in high pick up group zones like Kurns, HHK, Paw, CoM, Karnors and the Hole you should be able to find groups or put them together for 1-2 hour play sessions. Just balance places you can find solo mobs (for instance if not groups in KC step outside and pull singles all day). I soloed a lot on my warrior and it is slow. Rogue hasn’t been that bad, Monk was lots of fun (definitely the best equipped to solo of the three).

A warriors life is filed with frustration, as you have so few tools to move around the world or even do your job well in groups. When you watch the healer/CC get eaten alive while you beat on the red mob that just won’t aggro you... yeah not fun.

Rogue on the other hand is only frustrating when... that damn warrior can’t keep aggro haha.

[wagorf]

Started with twink rog and war, and leveled both to 60.

War (200k spent initially) - Most fun I ever had leveling a melee (more so than my 200k monk that I lvled to 60). Biggest downside is you will be using shit weapons that every leveling war has. I had 600k cash at one point and still using infestation + frostbringer/wess. Stopped playing at 60 because of these lame weapons. Then fell in love again with war after obtaining epic and VP/tov weapons. Also need to make sure you have extra cash to buy clickies (cobalt leg, bracer, etc.)

Rogue (500k spent initially) - Very fun until 48 or so. Relied on Mry BP for self heals and soloed til 54, then it got really fuckin slow so I started joining hole xp groups. This 500k rogue doesn't perform much better than a 50k rogue in solo experience. It's mostly for the epeen and for show.

[Twochain]

Started with twink rog and war, and leveled both to 60.

War (200k spent initially) - Most fun I ever had leveling a melee (more so than my 200k monk that I lvled to 60). Biggest downside is you will be using shit weapons that every leveling war has. I had 600k cash at one point and still using infestation + frostbringer/wess. Stopped playing at 60 because of these lame weapons. Then fell in love again with war after obtaining epic and VP/tov weapons. Also need to make sure you have extra cash to buy clickies (cobalt leg, bracer, etc.)

Rogue (500k spent initially) - Very fun until 48 or so. Relied on Mry BP for self heals and soloed til 54, then it got really fuckin slow so I started joining hole xp groups. This 500k rogue doesn't perform much better than a 50k rogue in solo experience. It's mostly for the epeen and for show.

Yes I will say leveling a twink warrior with fungi 36% haste swiftblade of zek + blade of carnage + sick 2hander is amazing 1-40. So fast and easy. I have like 5 warriors in the level 30 range just doing this for fun

[Penish]

Rogue with high poison making is a force.

[Anxarcule]

I think I've decided to go with warrior, now am trying to save enough money to be able to twink it nicely... Right now have a budget of ~130k so will def get fungi and assorted +str/hp gear (I imagine all that will run me ~100k). Weapons I want to keep each skill leveled so imagine getting decent weapons will run me another 20k (just ballpark)... would love to have a CoF instead of FBSS so have a ways to go until I can afford that - prices on green are pretty high when you do see them for sale

As far as race I really love Iksars but compared to Ogre stats + less limited armor/clickies it's tough to pass up... though realisitically I'll only start the warrior a little after velious hits so would have access to iksar plate armor.

[bradsamma]

Don't make a warrior unless you're planning on raiding.

I have to say that if you're skilled, a rogue is actually much easier to solo than a warrior.

[ArbiterBlixen]

Don't make a warrior unless you're planning on raiding.

I have to say that if you're skilled, a rogue is actually much easier to solo than a warrior.

I have leveled a twink warrior and twink rogue solo to 60. And the warrior was substantially easier 50+. Prior to that rogue may have had a slight edge.

[Robersonroger38]

I have leveled a twink warrior and twink rogue solo to 60. And the warrior was substantially easier 50+. Prior to that rogue may have had a slight edge.

On the rogue at lvls 57+ where did you hunt at if I may ask :D?

[Ravager]

Rogue is the idiot's class. Super easy to play, takes no investment, literally one button. I recommend it.

[ArbiterBlixen]

On the rogue at lvls 57+ where did you hunt at if I may ask :D?

I personally do all my leveling in velks 50+. I just take a super afk approach to it. Kill a mob, then afk, then kill a mob. All the mobs in the initial area are non-casters and don't run. As long as you can solo them it's easy exp.

[Robersonroger38]

Thanks!

[Baler]

Did OP decide? I'm wondering how it turned out. :)

[Stonewallx39]

Did OP decide? I'm wondering how it turned out. :)

He made a monk

[bradsamma]

I have leveled a twink warrior and twink rogue solo to 60. And the warrior was substantially easier 50+. Prior to that rogue may have had a slight edge.

If you can get in frontal backstabs in consistently, I think you'll find that rogues are the better soloers even post 50. This is especially true since they nerfed combat bindwound. Prior to that, I think they were on fairly even ground solo wise.

[ArbiterBlixen]

If you can get in frontal backstabs in consistently, I think you'll find that rogues are the better soloers even post 50. This is especially true since they nerfed combat bindwound. Prior to that, I think they were on fairly even ground solo wise.

Even with frontal backstabs there was no competition. Warrior was far superior. On the rogue i could kill crystalline watchers, and shard spiders (i don’t recall if i had success with devourers, i think it was a coin flip). On the warrior i could solo any of the ramp spiders, popped evasive and didn't even have to watch the fight.

[Crede]

If you can get in frontal backstabs in consistently, I think you'll find that rogues are the better soloers even post 50. This is especially true since they nerfed combat bindwound. Prior to that, I think they were on fairly even ground solo wise.

I want what this guy is smoking.

Warrior soloing will do circles around a rogue. The one exception I’d say would be when rogues used to be able equip epic at lvl 1 so you’d basically obliterate everything 1-46. 50+ Superior mitigation, discs, and Truncheon will easily out class whatever a rogue is doing. Extra Bonus if you went halfling for hide and sneak pulls

[Allishia]

I'm playing a rog Twink now for a vox alt, definitely sucks at soloing compared to my 1st rog that did it with epic. The atk helped a lot from epic I think too cause my new rog can't solo near as well

[bradsamma]

I want what this guy is smoking.

Warrior soloing will do circles around a rogue. The one exception I’d say would be when rogues used to be able equip epic at lvl 1 so you’d basically obliterate everything 1-46. 50+ Superior mitigation, discs, and Truncheon will easily out class whatever a rogue is doing. Extra Bonus if you went halfling for hide and sneak pulls

Do you not know how to backstab while fighting stuff from the front? Soloed a rogue to 55 (then went to the hole where the exp was insane) about a year ago. Did a warrior about 2 years ago. Leveling the rogue was so much easier because his damage output with backstab was absurd compared to the warrior.

Sure, you have to work for it but a rogue that's played well will easily out solo a warrior.