Chauvin - Guilty or no?

[indiscriminate_hater]

What's your prediction for the verdict - specifically for the charge of 2nd-degree murder?

[HalflingSpergand]

Fake name,but if there qas "shoving" involved then i dont give a fuck, if there was not "shoving" involved i also dont care

[Horza]

The defense said he died of carbon monoxide poisoning and supermeth. I see no reason to doubt them.

[Cassawary]

OP too cowardly to vote in his own poll

Shameful

[starkind]

Is 2ncd degree in the heat of the moment? Probably a toss up. What's the jury feeling like? Big scowls like they just want this to go fast and gtfo?

Voted with my birdie Cassawary. U don't need wings 2 fly baby.

[Wrekt]

heat of the moment (~9 minutes) where the sunglasses stayed on his head. must have been scary with 4 cops kneeling on one guy... who was handcuffed.

[Baler]

Don't care, They riot over anything.

[Trexller]

Don't care, They riot over anything.

This is correct, like soccer hooligans or lakers fans, they will riot if they win, and they will riot if they lose.

[Cassawary]

OP has voted, move to resolved.

[Horza]

Don't care, They riot over anything.

This is correct, like soccer hooligans or lakers fans, they will riot if they win, and they will riot if they lose.

Who's they?

[Baler]

Who's they?

Those who riot.

This weekend businesses are shutting their doors and boarding up their windows. Business owners know shit is about to go down.
What kind of America is that. smh

[DMN]

Not on the two most serious charges, not beyond a reasonable doubt anyway.

And the judge has completely fucked this case up for the defense. pretty outrageous the bullshit ive seen. Easy appeal.

[Trexller]

Who's they?

You.

[imperiouskitten]

G

[Jibartik]

Personally it looked to me like he was getting off on it while the guy's lights faded out of existence, so that's what convinced me he is a murderer.

But the training seemed to say that he is supposed to use his shin not his knee, and they cant even tell the difference between a gun and a tazer, so it sounds like he was doing his job.

[Trexller]

they cant even tell the difference between a gun and a tazer, so it sounds like he was doing his job.

"I meant to use my tazer" is the worst excuse ive ever heard. At least chauvin was sort of following his training.

This lady didn't even reach for her tazer, and kept wright in her gun sights

From the bodycam video, it sounds like she just pulled the trigger in the heat of the adrenaline.

smh indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTU9JFcB3mM

[Cassawary]

Verdict is in! Take your protein pill and put your helmets on

[Jibartik]

Verdict is in! Take your protein pill and put your helmets on

Cans of soup (for my family) ready for delivery! :D

[Nocht]

End of Chauvingelion

You Can (not) Riot

[TheBardo]

Not Guilty
G13, indiscriminate_hater, Nocht, red_demonman, Toxigen, Trexller

[Trexller]

Not Guilty
G13, indiscriminate_hater, Nocht, red_demonman, Toxigen, Trexller

Chauvin was just found guilty on all charges

[HalflingSpergand]

Did the naggers get what they want or no? Im confused

[Bardp1999]

GUILTY

[Cassawary]

Minn AG looking reverend-ass in this speech(sermon?)

[azeth]

Well the verdict was guilty, so I guess that's that. I'm not sure why anyone is even expousing their dumb ass opinion

[HalflingSpergand]

YAY FOR THE NAGGERS THEN?!

[Nocht]

Not Guilty
G13, indiscriminate_hater, Nocht, red_demonman, Toxigen, Trexller

I guess this is where you post my home address and place of employment on twitter?

[azeth]

I guess this is where you post my home address and place of employment on twitter?

So you don't support your own opinion?

[Bardp1999]

Cruising pretty close to the line there Randy Marsh

[Nocht]

So you don't support your own opinion?

More like I can handle the times people disagree with my personal view. He was found guilty in a court of law, so ends another chapter of political drama. Moving on with my life.

[azeth]

More like I can handle the times people disagree with my personal view. He was found guilty in a court of law, so ends another chapter of political drama. Moving on with my life.

For sure I understand that, but you delivered an opinion via this poll and somebody made you accountable for that opinion. I don't know how either of you are wrong

[G13]

For sure I understand that, but you delivered an opinion via this poll and somebody made you accountable for that opinion. I don't know how either of you are wrong

Define "held accountable for that opinion"

[Trexller]

I didn't opine on the verdict, i guessed

[Cassawary]

Let's check in on Greg Gutfeld

kc6Llcqb7VQ

[TheBardo]

Define "held accountable for that opinion"

https://youtu.be/51t1OsPSdBc?t=314

[Horza]

Let's check in on Greg Gutfeld

kc6Llcqb7VQ

https://i.imgur.com/PZGEFXt.png

[Nocht]

https://youtu.be/51t1OsPSdBc?t=314

So I'm not allowed to listen to NWA anymore? Don't tell Ice Cube, I wouldn't want him to cancel the production of Barbershop 5 to revoke my black card.

[G13]

https://youtu.be/51t1OsPSdBc?t=314

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6XlAgDqP6g

[indiscriminate_hater]

I'm surprised about the 2nd degree murder charge. But, the jury has spoken.

In either case, plenty of riots to come as the appeals come in.

[Jibartik]

Let's check in on Greg Gutfeld

this made me lol

[azeth]

Define "held accountable for that opinion"

Being held accountable on social media means having your opinions associated with yourself. That's it, very simple

[G13]

Being held accountable on social media means having your opinions associated with yourself. That's it, very simple

Define "held accountable"

Doxxing? Sending a mob with pitchforks?

This isn't Twitter

[Jibartik]

holy shit I just listened to that gutfield video hahahahah

Oh my god...

That was amazing she's like "ugh here he goes again" I wonder if that was his publacist off camera hahaha that guy is such great TV

[DMN]

Well that was predictable given the judge's pro-prosecution idiocy .That said, I'd still would have thought it would be a jury compromise on a manslaughter charge, given the persecutions case was so weak and their attorney's performance so poor. This case will eventually be appealed and overturned though due the aforementioned judge's asshatttery.

[hobart]

How many things can you Trumptards get wrong?

Anyone who thought he wasn't going to get manslaughter at a minimum has lost perspective.

[Trexller]

Chauvin had to be found guilty, if for no other reason than national security.

[Jibartik]

So shall I bring this soup for my family during the sentencing then?

[Trexller]

So shall I bring this soup for my family during the sentencing then?

I'd wait for it to go thru appeals first. once that murder 2 charge is tossed, there will be further riots.

any reduction of charges will result in mass property damage.

Continue building your bunkers

[FatherSioux]

The pretzels some have to twist themselves into to ignore Maxine Waters along with Biden saying what they said is amazing.

[Baler]

I told you all he was going to be buried under the prison.

The justice system is not blind.

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The juror's were probably receiving death threats if they didn't say guilty.

[Horza]

Interesting nobody was concerned when then President Trump weighed in on every case that involved his crooked lackeys.

[Jibartik]

me watching doge "maaan this aint doin nothing tonight"

me watching the news "maaan they aint doin nothing tonight"

*turns on netflix

[Kaveh]

How many things can you Trumptards get wrong?

Anyone who thought he wasn't going to get manslaughter at a minimum has lost perspective.

I think they should let him and Kyle rittenhouse fight to the death and the winner gets to walk

My money’s on chauvin. Rittenhouse is a frat boy looking pussy who shit his pants when a guy with a skateboard tried to fight him. Derek chauvin had a odious animus to hold that position for 9 minutes

[Kaveh]

I told you all he was going to be buried under the prison.

The justice system is not blind.

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The juror's were probably receiving death threats if they didn't say guilty.

That or he’s on camera for 9 minutes being guilty

[Trexller]

I told you all he was going to be buried under the prison.

The justice system is not blind.

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The juror's were probably receiving death threats if they didn't say guilty.

In what kangaroo court was that jury not sequestered for the whole trial anyway

[RecondoJoe]

under Trump a racist like Chauvin can murder black ppl with a smile on their face
under Biden this same racist is prosecuted to fullest extent of the law and justice is served

u can see the differences between the two candidates

biden has cured racism and police brutalitaty

[Gravydoo II]

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is in order.

[HalflingSpergand]

I think they should let him and Kyle rittenhouse fight to the death and the winner gets to walk

My money’s on chauvin. Rittenhouse is a frat boy looking pussy who shit his pants when a guy with a skateboard tried to fight him. Derek chauvin had a odious animus to hold that position for 9 minutes

If shitting your pants is opening fire on your attacker. But its not so he didnt shit his pants he opened fire on his attacker. Thats the narrative anyways

[Kaveh]

If you can’t disarm a man with a stern look, you aren’t fit to wear the purple

[HalflingSpergand]

That's not realistic at all

[Kaveh]

Anything is possible through Christ. Once you find him you’ll understand

Kyle rittenhouse will be cast into the Lake of Fire, for he was a weak man

[HalflingSpergand]

U don't know that

[Gravydoo II]

Anything is possible through Christ. Once you find him you’ll understand

Kyle rittenhouse will be cast into the Lake of Fire, for he was a weak man

no he wont, by your own rules. the only thing god wont forgive is not believing in him. like, "if i cant have you, nobody can. i love you.... ill kill you, bitch...!" - god.

The god of the bible reminds me of early cyler

[Tethler]

Seeing BBC report guilty on all counts

Edit: I see I was late to the party by a few pages. Consequence of working overseas, heh

[Bardp1999]

Chauvin deserved to be convicted, Rittenhouse should get off. The mob was clearly attacking him and trying to disarm him. Fuck with the bull, get the horns.

[Horza]

Virginia police officer fired after donating to Kyle Rittenhouse defense fund. (https://nypost.com/2021/04/20/virginia-cop-fired-after-donating-to-rittenhouse-defense-fund/)

[Tethler]

Chauvin deserved to be convicted, Rittenhouse should get off. The mob was clearly attacking him and trying to disarm him. Fuck with the bull, get the horns.

Kid went there to pick a fight. Nobody drives to another state to "protect" someone else's private property. He got exactly what he wanted, the same thing the redhats dwelling on this forum have wet dreams about, shooting Americans (oops, libs I mean)

[this user was banned]

Chauvin had a history of this behavior and it finally caught up with him. I thought maybe only guilty of accidentally killing, but the more I reflect over the evidence of the several days of the trial I watched, the more if feels like this man outright wanted to murder him and it’s depressing that we’d have people like that in our police.

[Jibartik]

I dont recall any character witnesses for this guy, does he have no friends on his side or do they not do that for these types of cases?

[this user was banned]

under Trump a racist like Chauvin can murder black ppl with a smile on their face
under Biden this same racist is prosecuted to fullest extent of the law and justice is served

u can see the differences between the two candidates

biden has cured racism and police brutalitaty

So the jury magically changed the MOMENT Biden got elected?

Please think for second, if Trump were still in office, I doubt the outcome would have changed. Did you even watch any of the trial?

[this user was banned]

I dont recall any character witnesses for this guy, does he have no friends on his side or do they not do that for these types of cases?

There were several people the prosecution could have brought in to counter any character witness, I guarantee you it would have been ugly.

I just wish he would have testified and said something for himself, but I can just see the prosecution drilling him so damn hard he’d just dig himself deeper in a hole.

[Jibartik]

I feel like there was 3:1 prosecution witnesses compared to defense I wonder what that was all about?

[this user was banned]

They had a LOT of medical professionals testify. And they had to, if any complication other than asphyxiation was not ruled out then there was a good chance of a not guilty verdict. I mean we are talking murder here, you’re going to want multiple opinions for obvious reasons.

[Jibartik]

Im wondering why so little for the defense though? They just had that one guy that disagreed with all those witnesses the prosecution brought in, I thought he was going to do the exact opposite? Why not?

[this user was banned]

They had some use of force experts and doctors testify for the defense, it wasn’t so few as you put it. I felt that it seemed like enough to make a fair judgment on the case.

[this user was banned]

Well that was predictable given the judge's pro-prosecution idiocy .That said, I'd still would have thought it would be a jury compromise on a manslaughter charge, given the persecutions case was so weak and their attorney's performance so poor. This case will eventually be appealed and overturned though due the aforementioned judge's asshatttery.

How was their case weak? They had several medical professionals testify that the asphyxiation was the cause of death and ruled out pretty much everything else. How much of the trial did you watch?

That being said, I agree with the judge said about disrespectful elected officials causing trouble with this trial. And I think Maxine Waters needs to shut up and retire already.

[TheBardo]

Define "held accountable"

Doxxing? Sending a mob with pitchforks?

This isn't Twitter

We get to laugh at you and the other idiots on this forum who constantly spout dumb ignorant shit. And in the future, when you feel the urge to spout your brain on the new hot topic of the day, we get to remind you how catastrophically wrong you were.

[Jibartik]

They had some use of force experts and doctors testify for the defense, it wasn’t so few as you put it. I felt that it seemed like enough to make a fair judgment on the case.

prosecution had 38 witnesses defense had 7.

and why would the defense want a fair judgement.

[this user was banned]

prosecution had 38 witnesses defense had 7.

and why would the defense want a fair judgement.

Because that’s what you want in any trial by jury?

[Jibartik]

the defense wants their client to get off

[zodium]

the defense wants their client to get off

but enough about your mom.

[DMN]

How was their case weak? They had several medical professionals testify that the asphyxiation was the cause of death and ruled out pretty much everything else. How much of the trial did you watch?


Virtually everyone on planet earth will eventually die of asphyxiation. The question is WHAT CAUSED IT. The medical experts the prosecution called almost all contradicted each other one what actually caused the asphyxiation. When even the prosecution's own experts are contradicting each other, it's a giant truck load of reasonable doubt that any one of them has actually "got it right".

All but Baker rules out other contributing causes, such as high drug levels and serious heart disease. The fact these "experts" dismissed these things as having potentially contributed the "asphyxiation" would make any juror doubt everything that expert had to say, because those same experts on cross examination said that heart disease alone could have killed him and his drug levels alone could have exclusively killed him. But magically, they conclude, all had no effect on how he actually died. Baker and the defense expert witness disgreed and suggest that those other things did indeed play a part.

it's like a giant neon sign of reasonable doubt.

then you get to the Mens Rea issues specifically the murder charge, and it would be virtually impossible to find a non-biased jury come to the conclusion it was satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt in this case. Essentially you'd have to believe that there is no doubt in your mind whatsoever that Chaucvin had intended to kill Floyds-- despite the fact he was being recorded by a dozen cameras 9which he knew full well were all on him).

[Toxigen]

This will easily be appealed. Trial never should have taken place in Minneapolis, jury wasn't sequestered, lots of influence from public figures, etc.

Maybe next time we'll get real jurors that understand the concept of reasonable doubt.

[Kaveh]

Derek chauvin is going to hell

Case closed

[Kaveh]

Though I do agree, he probably didn’t meet the criteria for “murder”

[icedwards]

"Chauvin will get off on appeal" is the new "Trump is the real president and will be sworn in on March 4th".

Chuds in shambles. Looking forward to the Rittenhouse weasel getting locked up next.

[Vivitron]

then you get to the Mens Rea issues specifically the murder charge, and it would be virtually impossible to find a non-biased jury come to the conclusion it was satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt in this case. Essentially you'd have to believe that there is no doubt in your mind whatsoever that Chaucvin had intended to kill Floyds-- despite the fact he was being recorded by a dozen cameras 9which he knew full well were all on him).

He wasn't charged with that kind of murder. The murder 2 charge was felony murder -- not that he intended to kill, but that he caused the death while committing a felony assault. The murder 3 charge also wasn't that he intended to kill -- but rather that he caused Floyd's death with an act that was highly likely to cause a death, and was consciously indifferent to that outcome.

[HalflingSpergand]

Prison is nice he'll be fine and prob get out early. Maybe he'll play p1999

[Cassawary]

Prison is nice he'll be fine and prob get out early. Maybe he'll play p1999

He'll hit a lick writing about being cancelled

[DMN]

He wasn't charged with that kind of murder. The murder 2 charge was felony murder -- not that he intended to kill, but that he caused the death while committing a felony assault. The murder 3 charge also wasn't that he intended to kill -- but rather that he caused Floyd's death with an act that was highly likely to cause a death, and was consciously indifferent to that outcome.

which brings you to an interesting point in your edification of the legal system. Why wasn't Mohamad Noor nor the more recent Kim Potter charged with "unintentional" second degree murder?

[Robersonroger38]

What server does he play on? .. then I’ll make my decision

[TripSin]

This is correct, like soccer hooligans or lakers fans, they will riot if they win, and they will riot if they lose.
Don't care, They riot over anything.


So did they riot or are you two stupid pieces of shit? Looters taking advantage of situations is not an excuse for your racist bullshit. But of course fox news and your other pathetic conservative media have you dumb twats brainwashed to think so.

[Snortles Chortles]

all he had to do was not kneel on the guys neck for 9 minutes
we don’t live in judge dredd universe (or at least, we shouldn’t)

[Toxigen]

https://i.imgur.com/unI0w49.jpg

[Snortles Chortles]

good casting

[Vivitron]

which brings you to an interesting point in your edification of the legal system. Why wasn't Mohamad Noor nor the more recent Kim Potter charged with "unintentional" second degree murder?

I don't recall Noor. Minnesota 2nd degree murder is when you kill someone while you commit a felony; for Chauvin that was felony assault, I don't see what it would be for Potter.

[DMN]

I don't recall Noor. Minnesota 2nd degree murder is when you kill someone while you commit a felony; for Chauvin that was felony assault, I don't see what it would be for Potter.

Uhh, they were charged for the exact same underlying felonies, second degree manslaughter. i don't even know where are you getting this "felony assault"? Are you just copying and pasting shit from reddit/twitter/etc.?

[Robersonroger38]

I can see policemen second guessing pulling over crack heads from here on out.

Saying to themselves man what if he croaks over from a over dose while in the back seat. LoL

[Toxigen]

I can see policemen second guessing pulling over crack heads from here on out.

Saying to themselves man what if he croaks over from a over dose while in the back seat. LoL

Yep. Hopefully more and more cops just turn their badges in and these liberal shithole cities get what they're asking for.

[TripSin]

I can see policemen second guessing pulling over crack heads from here on out.

Saying to themselves man what if he croaks over from a over dose while in the back seat. LoL

lol, is that how Fox News/conservative media is spinning it? This one verdict isn't going to do shit without reform of the ridiculous police culture.

The war on drugs is absolute bullshit anyway. Drug addicts should be helped, not incarcerated. It's too bad you conservative Christians don't actually prescribe to the teachings of Jesus or actually care about human lives to agree.

[Vivitron]

Uhh, they were charged for the exact same underlying felonies, second degree manslaughter. i don't even know where are you getting this "felony assault"? Are you just copying and pasting shit from reddit/twitter/etc.?

I'm getting it from the Chauvin jury instructions. Go to page 5. For definition of 2nd degree murder see the section "Definition". For the relevance of felony assault see section "Elements", subsection "Third Element".

https://www.scribd.com/document/503646077/Jury-Instructions-in-Derek-Chauvin-trial

[TripSin]

Yep. Hopefully more and more cops just turn their badges in and these liberal shithole cities get what they're asking for.

If the "liberal shithole cities" go down the drain then who is going to pay for your welfare flyover states?

Don't worry though, we'll keep thriving and innovating and subsidizing you.

[Cassawary]

Yep. Hopefully more and more cops just turn their badges in and these liberal shithole cities get what they're asking for.

Don't be a hero. Quietly take the medical retirement. No need for grandstanding.

[Toxigen]

cLelanQ8mRc

This trial was a sham. Literally only reason he was found guilty was to prevent American cities from burning.

Sorry you can't look at facts and evidence objectively.

[Jibartik]

Its insane to me that videos like this were not shown by the defense, 38 to 7 witnesses? It's like they didn't even try.. This even has the guy taking his foot off the ground, which was a pretty powerful claim by the prosecution that it was definitely murder.

Im not on his side I just felt it was a pretty weak defense.

[Horza]

There sure are a lot of Republican bootlickers crying in this thread.

[Cassawary]

Its insane to me that videos like this were not shown by the defense, 38 to 7 witnesses? It's like they didn't even try.. This even has the guy taking his foot off the ground, which was a pretty powerful claim by the prosecution that it was definitely murder.

Im not on his side I just felt it was a pretty weak defense.

That video feels like it was specifically filmed to support Mr Chauvins defense. Slavic men are generally untrustworthy actors.

[Snortles Chortles]

ah, the good ol “it wuz his fault we killed em!!” defense l!!
(LOL)

[Trexller]

ah, the good ol “it wuz his fault we killed em!!” defense l!!
(LOL)

sometimes, it is their fault

[Jibartik]

That video feels like it was specifically filmed to support Mr Chauvins defense. Slavic men are generally untrustworthy actors.

Yeah but there was a pamphlet where they teach their officers this tequnique and the idea that these videos are not the videos that the police department shares and practices from pretty off the mark and I think is literally why Floyd was killed, not because there was a bad apple, but because these officers are just in the wrong mindset for citizen policing.

I do believe that Chauvin being made an example of can begin a trend where police officers dont want to be made examples of.. basically the rule of thumb is "hey do whatever just make sure it doesn't look like you are evil in the video to 12 random people" imo.. which is basically how the army is lol

gotta be on your best behavior.

Which in the grand scheme of things is my biggest beef with the cops, that they act like there gods and the smartest people in the universe.

So id like to see them ask questions like "sir can you breathe ok?" and shit. So I consider this a victory.

But I would have liked to see the administration be held accountable in the same way that I think drug dealers are a dime a dozen, so are hot head cops. But if we consistently toss them in jail then that'll be a less efficient solution to the problem but a solution none the less.

[cd288]

If the "liberal shithole cities" go down the drain then who is going to pay for your welfare flyover states?

Don't worry though, we'll keep thriving and innovating and subsidizing you.

I don’t always agree with things this guy says, but this is pretty accurate. People from the flyover and boonies states talking about anti entitlements and handouts and everything while not realizing that a ton of their state is funded by handouts from the federal government and thereby indirectly funded in decent proportion by blue states with big urban cities

[Snortles Chortles]

you’re welcome middle America

[Bardp1999]

https://i.imgur.com/tOMEKxd.jpg

[zodium]

I don’t always agree with things this guy says, but this is pretty accurate. People from the flyover and boonies states talking about anti entitlements and handouts and everything while not realizing that a ton of their state is funded by handouts from the federal government and thereby indirectly funded in decent proportion by blue states with big urban cities

this guy's so alienated if you asked him where food comes from, he'd say "the supermarket." luckily, there's a best-selling book that can help.

https://i.imgur.com/adVQvu5.png

[Kaveh]

cLelanQ8mRc

This trial was a sham. Literally only reason he was found guilty was to prevent American cities from burning.

Sorry you can't look at facts and evidence objectively.

So what dude, isn’t that a good enough reason? Don’t kill people and you won’t go to jail, it was in the Bible so you should’ve learned it by age 5. If you didn’t, your parents failed you and you were probably fucked anyway

Move to resolved

[Kaveh]

I don’t always agree with things this guy says, but this is pretty accurate. People from the flyover and boonies states talking about anti entitlements and handouts and everything while not realizing that a ton of their state is funded by handouts from the federal government and thereby indirectly funded in decent proportion by blue states with big urban cities


How would free trade policies change the concentration of wealth in the interior and on the coastlines?

[Kaveh]

https://i.imgur.com/unI0w49.jpg

Is there really a person named Mo Lester Hall?

[Jibartik]

Video of cop executing man for jaywalking and holding a knife just hit the web.

https://i.imgur.com/PUy658X.gif

[DMN]

I'm getting it from the Chauvin jury instructions. Go to page 5. For definition of 2nd degree murder see the section "Definition". For the relevance of felony assault see section "Elements", subsection "Third Element".

https://www.scribd.com/document/503646077/Jury-Instructions-in-Derek-Chauvin-trial

Those are the agreed upon instructions for the jury, however i wasn't asking about Chauvin. The chauvin prosecution simply selected the easiest underlying potential felony to prove in their case, to essentially Trojan Horse in a murder conviction. I asked you about Noor and Potter, though, and why they weren't similarly charged.

The second degree murder statute says that if any felony is committed and the victim dies, it immediately qualifies as murder two. There are no other qualifiers for this, other than some incredibly bizarre exceptions for sexual assault and drive-by-shootings.

"(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting"

It wouldn't surprise me if this statue gets eviscerated in appeals court either, but it's really beside the point regarding Noor and Potter.

[DMN]

Video of cop executing man for jaywalking and holding a knife just hit the web.

https://i.imgur.com/PUy658X.gif

He was brandishing a knife while threatening the officer, not just holding one And he wasn't just jaywalking he had been throwing rocks at cars.

He also requested the cop to kill him. Sounds like classic suicide by cop.

[Toxigen]

So what dude, isn’t that a good enough reason? Don’t kill people and you won’t go to jail, it was in the Bible so you should’ve learned it by age 5. If you didn’t, your parents failed you and you were probably fucked anyway

Move to resolved

One man's freedom (or lack thereof) shouldn't decide whether a bunch of degenerates set fire to property that isn't theirs.

Too bad these people can't look inward at their own culture and realize they perpetuate these societal failures over and over again.

[Horza]

Tucker Carlson lost his shit yesterday when a former New York City deputy sheriff referred to Floyd's murder as “pure savagery” and called for increased police training on his show.

s0ayHFwKjOE

[Jadian]

One man's freedom (or lack thereof) shouldn't decide whether a bunch of degenerates set fire to property that isn't theirs.

Too bad these people can't look inward at their own culture and realize they perpetuate these societal failures over and over again.

Imagine unironically thinking this simplistically about anything and yet also feeling superior to people.

Hilarious.

[Cassawary]

One man's freedom (or lack thereof) shouldn't decide whether a bunch of degenerates set fire to property that isn't theirs.

Too bad these people can't look inward at their own culture and realize they perpetuate these societal failures over and over again.

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[Kaveh]

One man's freedom (or lack thereof) shouldn't decide whether a bunch of degenerates set fire to property that isn't theirs.

Too bad these people can't look inward at their own culture and realize they perpetuate these societal failures over and over again.

Rioters should be prosecuted BIGLY. It’s sad that we don’t enforce those laws, just like we don’t enforce illegal immigration laws. That said, I think justice was served in this case. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Floyd dies without the knee on his neck, and I don’t think it’s the role of a police officer to carry out judgment in the form of an execution

But yes we certainly do live in an age of cultural decline, especially at the margins. The very rich and very poor in this country are producing very disturbed people

[Kaveh]

Video of cop executing man for jaywalking and holding a knife just hit the web.

https://i.imgur.com/PUy658X.gif

Please tell me the cop and victim are the same race

I can’t take another racial whining by minorities, Iran has been under sanction since 1979 and you don’t see me asking for reparations from yalls cracker asses

[DMN]

J32OpuhBCFM

[Kaveh]

Yeah that’s a fucked up video

Jesus Christ

[Vivitron]

Those are the agreed upon instructions for the jury, however i wasn't asking about Chauvin. The chauvin prosecution simply selected the easiest underlying potential felony to prove in their case, to essentially Trojan Horse in a murder conviction. I asked you about Noor and Potter, though, and why they weren't similarly charged.

The second degree murder statute says that if any felony is committed and the victim dies, it immediately qualifies as murder two. There are no other qualifiers for this, other than some incredibly bizarre exceptions for sexual assault and drive-by-shootings.

"(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting"

It wouldn't surprise me if this statue gets eviscerated in appeals court either, but it's really beside the point regarding Noor and Potter.

I gave my answer -- Potter doesn't appear to be guilty of the felony (assault) that predicated Chauvin's felony murder charge, and I'm not commenting on Noor because I don't remember the case.

As far as I can tell using second degree manslaughter as the predicate felony for felony murder is not done, despite the lack of mention in the statute. If you manage to find an example of it being used that way or something prohibiting that use let me know. Now I'm curious.

[cd288]

Rioters should be prosecuted BIGLY. It’s sad that we don’t enforce those laws, just like we don’t enforce illegal immigration laws. That said, I think justice was served in this case. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Floyd dies without the knee on his neck, and I don’t think it’s the role of a police officer to carry out judgment in the form of an execution

But yes we certainly do live in an age of cultural decline, especially at the margins. The very rich and very poor in this country are producing very disturbed people

Since when so we not enforce the laws? Many of the nyc rioters have been heavily prosecuted. But oh wait that doesn’t fit your narrative does it

[bubur]

video..gaddamn

would think there's a few optional steps between drop the knife x3 and hand cannon

[DMN]

I gave my answer -- Potter doesn't appear to be guilty of the felony (assault) that predicated Chauvin's felony murder charge, and I'm not commenting on Noor because I don't remember the case.

As far as I can tell using second degree manslaughter as the predicate felony for felony murder is not done, despite the lack of mention in the statute. If you manage to find an example of it being used that way or something prohibiting that use let me know. Now I'm curious.

The only reason I mentioned the manslaughter is that they were already charging it and in fact convicted on it, and in noor/potter they also charged it. This the Minnesota statue for assault in the third degree:

Subdivision 1.Substantial bodily harm. Whoever assaults another and inflicts substantial bodily harm may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both.

So let's do a quick quiz: Is someone kneeling on your neck/back going to cause more bodily harm than someone shooting you in the chest with a gun?

*jeopardy music*

[Jibartik]

man this stuff is complex, seems like the solution is to have officers attend idk 2-4 years of school instead of 2-4 weeks of it.

[Pulgasari]

man this stuff is complex, seems like the solution is to have officers attend idk 2-4 years of school instead of 2-4 weeks of it.

Mandatory brainwashing for all Stasi o7

[HalflingSpergand]

They dont even like police, no one wants to be police. You think society is going to foot the bill to make them more expensive?

[Vivitron]

The only reason I mentioned the manslaughter is that they were already charging it and in fact convicted on it, and in noor/potter they also charged it. This the Minnesota statue for assault in the third degree:

Subdivision 1.Substantial bodily harm. Whoever assaults another and inflicts substantial bodily harm may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both.

So let's do a quick quiz: Is someone kneeling on your neck/back going to cause more bodily harm than someone shooting you in the chest with a gun?

*jeopardy music*

The point I wanted to make was to correct your misconception that intent to kill was an element of the charges against Chauvin. I'm confused as to why you're quizzing me on Potter.

The statutes define assault (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609/full#stat.609.02.10) as "(2) the intentional infliction of or attempt to inflict bodily harm upon another". The jury instruction for Chauvin states that in part as "intentionally applied unlawful force". I don't think that fits Potter; she intended to lawfully taser the victim.

[HalflingSpergand]

Look forward to the fully segragated nagger nationalist society with simp black lives matter members to do their biddings. We will have the absolutely obsolete cities inside the usa that literally serve no purpose other than to quarantine nagger mindset as their territory much like the segregated and federally privilege "indian territory" heh heh

[Hibren]

Look forward to the fully segragated nagger nationalist society with simp black lives matter members to do their biddings. We will have the absolutely obsolete cities inside the usa that literally serve no purpose other than to quarantine nagger mindset as their territory much like the segregated and federally privilege "indian territory" heh heh

YIKES, Doesn't even begin to cover this. Seek help while you're banned.

[Horza]

They dont even like police, no one wants to be police. You think society is going to foot the bill to make them more expensive?

I imagine additional training would pay for itself by cutting back on the 27 million dollar legal settlements.

[Kaveh]

Since when so we not enforce the laws? Many of the nyc rioters have been heavily prosecuted. But oh wait that doesn’t fit your narrative does it

We’ve had riots for half a year now. What accountability and deterrence are you seeing?

As for NYC, I’m completely unfamiliar with that city’s local politics. I do know that Houston, one of the blackest cities in America, has had relatively little rioting. Probably because everyone here is employed.

Most of these problems aren’t racial. Frankly, the obese, unemployed, and diabetic need to be rounded up and given 6 months to correct course. If they are not BMI < 25 and fully employed by that time, Greenland is annexed and made into a penal colony

Kaveh 2024

[DMN]

The point I wanted to make was to correct your misconception that intent to kill was an element of the charges against Chauvin. I'm confused as to why you're quizzing me on Potter.

The two points I was making was that the murder 3 charge would require Chauvin to know and not care that his action had a very high likelihood of killing Floyd. You can argue the semantics all day about "intent to kill" versus "very likely to kill". Someone with an intent to kill another person will employ a method that is "very likely to kill" their victim, no?

The other point is, that the "unintentional" murderer 2 charge is just a compete bullshit charge, as I 've been trying to get through to you. See below for more on that.



The statutes define assault (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609/full#stat.609.02.10) as "(2) the intentional infliction of or attempt to inflict bodily harm upon another". The jury instruction for Chauvin states that in part as "intentionally applied unlawful force". I don't think that fits Potter; she intended to lawfully taser the victim.

yet, your quote of the statute doesn't say anything about "lawfully" or "unlawfully", does it? Even if it did, that "lawfulness" could only be truly adjudicated in court. She certainly intended to cause bodily harm, which is all that the statute requires. Even if she had grabbed her taser she still would have delivered "bodily harm" to Wright, defined in Minnesota as : "physical pain or injury, illness, or any impairment of physical condition."

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Chauvin had a history of doing this shit to people. I’m wondering if he’s just a power tripping sociopath that deserves what had coming to him. All the police training in the world isn’t going to fix shitheads like this that give the police a bad name. He should have been fired from the force ages ago.

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man this stuff is complex, seems like the solution is to have officers attend idk 2-4 years of school instead of 2-4 weeks of it.

Except this guy has been on the force for years and had HUNDREDS of hours of training on record, had been reprimanded several times for this shit and probably should have been sacked a long time ago for misconduct. You can’t fix assholes with training, only hard life lessons, but now it’s too little to late.

[Toxigen]

J32OpuhBCFM

Zero surprise there.

Throw rocks at cars. Get cops called on you.

Jaywalk through an extremely busy intersection while a police officer is trying to stop you.

Immediately become aggressive, take knife out and threaten cop.

Get shot.

[Kraig4600]

At this point, it does not matter whether he is guilty or not, they NEED that sacrifice, just like gladiator days. What I can tell you with fair certainty is that this is the kind of thing that makes police comradery stronger, so more chances of cover-ups and watching your partners back. This will also force officers who were there only to serve and protect, question if it's worth the meager salary to go out on the streets to help by risking their lives. Don't get me wrong, I have always believed that a police officer should be required to have a 4 yr college degree like most careers nowadays. Nonlethal self-defense and mental health services should be their prime focus. They should literally be walking NON-LETHAL social workers. There is literally never a reason to kill another human and in almost every single case of death by an officer, it could have been avoided entirely. However, I've heard people say that we need to completely get rid of the police in the US. I guess the best response was from Joe Swanson - "Next time call the fire department, maybe they can come put out the rape."
What I would really like to know is, after Chauvin was found guilty, was it necessary for them to start going to local business' telling people "Get the F*** out of NY, we don't want you here!" Seems like Chauvin and George weren't what they cared about after all. But ultimately, don't actually expect any changes, after all like the old saying goes; "The more things change, the more they stay the same" - Snake Plissken

[Vivitron]

yet, your quote of the statute doesn't say anything about "lawfully" or "unlawfully", does it? Even if it did, that "lawfulness" could only be truly adjudicated in court. She certainly intended to cause bodily harm, which is all that the statute requires. Even if she had grabbed her taser she still would have delivered "bodily harm" to Wright, defined in Minnesota as : "physical pain or injury, illness, or any impairment of physical condition."

If you think the prosecutor should argue to a judge and jury that attempting a lawful, by-the-book police action satisfies the intent element of assault, you can go ahead and write them a nice letter explaining your theory of the case and request they up the charges. Be sure to notify the Chauvin judge that his jury instructions were way too hard on the prosecution while you're at it.

[Toxigen]

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So what happens when black people start talking about the 50 / 13?

[Jibartik]

Except this guy has been on the force for years and had HUNDREDS of hours of training on record, had been reprimanded several times for this shit and probably should have been sacked a long time ago for misconduct. You can’t fix assholes with training, only hard life lessons, but now it’s too little to late.

Im not saying do 2-4 weeks of training, then do as much Estonian MMA youtube tutorials as you want at your local gym and call it "years of training" training.

You do what the 4 year course says to do, which has crisis intervention and empathy courses. With failure being an option.

What's your solution?

Immediately become aggressive, take knife out and threaten cop.

In america you are allowed to do this you snivling little nany state titty sucking deep state loser that thinks constitutional rights are a death sentence.

[Raev]

Have you guys actually watched Thomas Lane's bodycam footage on youtube?

[Toxigen]

In america you are allowed to do this you snivling little nany state titty sucking deep state loser that thinks constitutional rights are a death sentence.

You sharing whatever drug(s) you're on buddy?

[Jibartik]

Go live in europe where you belong. You'll be nice and safe there.

[Bardp1999]

At this point, it does not matter whether he is guilty or not, they NEED that sacrifice, just like gladiator days. What I can tell you with fair certainty is that this is the kind of thing that makes police comradery stronger, so more chances of cover-ups and watching your partners back. This will also force officers who were there only to serve and protect, question if it's worth the meager salary to go out on the streets to help by risking their lives. Don't get me wrong, I have always believed that a police officer should be required to have a 4 yr college degree like most careers nowadays. Nonlethal self-defense and mental health services should be their prime focus. They should literally be walking NON-LETHAL social workers. There is literally never a reason to kill another human and in almost every single case of death by an officer, it could have been avoided entirely. However, I've heard people say that we need to completely get rid of the police in the US. I guess the best response was from Joe Swanson - "Next time call the fire department, maybe they can come put out the rape."
What I would really like to know is, after Chauvin was found guilty, was it necessary for them to start going to local business' telling people "Get the F*** out of NY, we don't want you here!" Seems like Chauvin and George weren't what they cared about after all. But ultimately, don't actually expect any changes, after all like the old saying goes; "The more things change, the more they stay the same" - Snake Plissken

Didnt read

[Horza]

Who has time to read when Toxigen keeps posting videos of Fox News contributors?

[zodium]

i don't actually read any of your posts. not even the ones i quote. i commune with the forum Geist to anticipate the flow of material forces and anticipate emergent affordances for subversive posting within the forum-poster system.

[HalflingSpergand]

I liked the beginning of kraigs post i was hooked but then he took a 180 into pussy ville and i hopped out

[FatherSioux]

i don't actually read any of your posts. not even the ones i quote. i commune with the forum Geist to anticipate the flow of material forces and anticipate emergent affordances for subversive posting within the forum-poster system.

We all are just waiting to share our opinions.

[Tunabros]

Man guilty for committing murder on video of him committing murder

Evidence: He literally killed him on video

nice one, America

It only took you a couple of months

[RecondoJoe]

The way I see it is.. do I think George Floyd died of a drug over-dose? Yeah.

Would I have kneeled on his neck for 9 minutes? Several minutes after he lost consciousness? No, not a chance in hell.

For me the latter is what you have to ask yourself. Even if you think Floyd died of an over-dose, had you been in Chauvin's shoes would you have felt the need to kneel on Floyd's neck after he had completely given up, and even worse, after he was unconscious? I feel like most of you would not do this, fam.

Like you can think Floyd died of an over-dose while also acknowledging how cruel and inhumane Chauvin to the point where it was criminally negligent.

[Toxigen]

The way I see it is.. do I think George Floyd died of a drug over-dose? Yeah.

Would I have kneeled on his neck for 9 minutes? Several minutes after he lost consciousness? No, not a chance in hell.

For me the latter is what you have to ask yourself. Even if you think Floyd died of an over-dose, had you been in Chauvin's shoes would you have felt the need to kneel on Floyd's neck after he had completely given up, and even worse, after he was unconscious? I feel like most of you would not do this, fam.

Like you can think Floyd died of an over-dose while also acknowledging how cruel and inhumane Chauvin to the point where it was criminally negligent.

That isn't murder. Not even close.

[Kaveh]

That isn't murder. Not even close.

A jury of your peers disagrees. Time to let this one go

[Toxigen]

A jury of your peers disagrees. Time to let this one go

Welcome to the appeal process.

[FatherSioux]

The most powerful politician in the world applying pressure for a certain outcome. Politicians literally flying in to incite violence unless a certain outcome happens. Jury not being sequestered in the biggest Trial of the last 25? years. This isn't over.

Anyone with a brain knows Chauvdaddy didn't murder Floyd. Does he deserve to be charged with something and spend time behind bars? Of. Course.

I'm from MN and part of me was hoping for this outcome despite reality just so we don't see what we saw last summer. It was not a fun time to be white, employed and male.

[Toxigen]

It was not a fun time to be white, employed and male.

Not going to change any time soon.

Try being an employer.

[Kaveh]

The most powerful politician in the world applying pressure for a certain outcome. Politicians literally flying in to incite violence unless a certain outcome happens. Jury not being sequestered in the biggest Trial of the last 25? years. This isn't over.

Anyone with a brain knows Chauvdaddy didn't murder Floyd. Does he deserve to be charged with something and spend time behind bars? Of. Course.

I'm from MN and part of me was hoping for this outcome despite reality just so we don't see what we saw last summer. It was not a fun time to be white, employed and male.

He’s on video killing the man

Hope this helps

[Toxigen]

He’s on video killing the man

Hope this helps

The video shows George Floyd dying of an extreme overdose while being restrained by a police officer per MPD training materials.

Hope that helps.

[Kaveh]

Fentanyl isn’t delayed onset. You’re wrong about this, you’re wrong about Trump, hell, you’re pretty much wrong about everything

I’m sorry you’re blinded by ideology. Murder is murder regardless of the races and occupations of those involved

[Toxigen]

Sorry the medical examination produced zero evidence of asphyxiation as a result of knee on neck.

[Kaveh]

I’m sorry that you will waste your time and energy following this case that will be lost on appeal

I’m sure you’ll still be convinced even then that everyone else is wrong and that trump won the election. You’ve lost sight of reality my friend

[Jibartik]

Sorry the medical examination produced zero evidence of asphyxiation as a result of knee on neck.

Im sorry medical exemptions produced zero evidence of asphyxiation when you tried to get out of wearing masks :o

[Kaveh]

Tozigen is a good guy, just been brainwashed like so many others. The rioters in Portland are brainwashed as well. We have some soul searching to do as a country

[Jibartik]

Tozigen is a good guy, just been brainwashed like so many others. The rioters in Portland are brainwashed as well. We have some soul searching to do as a country

were all good guys (even the women that post here)
(LOL)

[Horza]

The video shows George Floyd dying of an extreme overdose while being restrained by a police officer per MPD training materials.

Hope that helps.

A drug overdose caused by a boot on the throat, that makes sense.

[Toxigen]

you tried to get out of wearing masks :o

Didn't try. Just stopped wearing them entirely.