Making a Barb Shaman - Change my Mind

[Phobius]

Hey all,

So I am an oldschool EQ player (started right before Kunark dropped) and played until shortly after Velious was released. A friend and I played on blue for awhile, but when schedules didn't line up, we stopped playing (major props to the devs as we had a blast).

While my buddies "back in the day" all got to high levels, I always had a major case of rerollitis and never stuck with one char. I recently, however, finally managed to hit the level cap in Classic WoW so maybe at age 36 I can finally get a char to the level cap in EQ. So, here I am.

Realistically, I am likely going to be able to play in the mornings (EST) for a couple of hours and maybe a night or two a week as I have young kids. As I imagine this won't be peak hours, I want to make sure I play something that can solo reasonably well. And, if we are being honest, to prevent rerolling, I would like to pick a class that has a fun 1-60 experience; I would rather play a race/class that has an easier 1-60 experience than one that would be slightly better with BiS gear (as I am never going to get there).

With all that said, I am currently thinking Barb Shaman. My understanding is that Shammy is good solo or group. While I know ogre and troll have racial abilities and stats that might make them better, absent a guise, I think Barb looks cooler. One legit concern is am I going to have to run back to Halas to buy spells every few levels?

So, have at it. Based upon the limited info y'all now know about me, convince me I am making a bad choice and let me know what I should be playing. Or, maybe let me know what stats I should assign if I do roll a barb :)

Thanks in advance.

[Baler]

Do it, it's great to be able to travel into most good cities without having to invis, do faction work or use illusions.

I have a barb shm, with torpor race doesnt matter.
And in velious you get polar bear illusion with tear drop tattoo.

Fashion quest is the ultimate end game for many players, Barbarian wins in style points.

Starting Points: 25 Wisdom / 5 Stamina

[A Knight]

One legit concern is am I going to have to run back to Halas to buy spells every few levels?

The best way is to get around 12-14 in the halas area and then go somewhere else. You can't run anywhere except the qeynos area at low level, unless you get a port.

But Blackburrow should have people on green and it is still considered a good zone.

Ogre and troll may have more appeal to some people. Taking into consideration that you don't have much time, barb may be harder to level at first but around 15-30 it should easily compensate if you are in groups.

Gear will be hard to get no matter what if you have no funds, which may make ogre and troll seem better, but EQ is a grouping game. However, at high level a barbarian should still be good enough to compete with ogre and trolls. Once you get your first iksar bp your confidence should increase.

But also fashionquest is very important and barbs look cool. Especially with polar bear hats. (May they rest in peace.)

[Cen]

Barb shaman has a unique racial power no other shaman has

Polar bear form.

[Snortles Chortles]

Polar bear form.

https://wiki.project1999.com/images/Npc_iceberg.png

[Tunabros]

Play what you want

Min-maxing is for nerds

[Jimjam]

The best way is to get around 12-14 in the halas area and then go somewhere else. You can't run anywhere except the qeynos area at low level, unless you get a port.

But Blackburrow should have people on green and it is still considered a good zone.

Ogre and troll may have more appeal to some people. Taking into consideration that you don't have much time, barb may be harder to level at first but around 15-30 it should easily compensate if you are in groups.

Gear will be hard to get no matter what if you have no funds, which may make ogre and troll seem better, but EQ is a grouping game. However, at high level a barbarian should still be good enough to compete with ogre and trolls. Once you get your first iksar bp your confidence should increase.

But also fashionquest is very important and barbs look cool. Especially with polar bear hats. (May they rest in peace.)

Can start permafrost at 14. Recently boosted xp. Usually high levels around to buff or help break in if needed and still xp to be had in everfrost if you get really stuck.

[Keebz]

And, if we are being honest, to prevent rerolling, I would like to pick a class that has a fun 1-60 experience; I would rather play a race/class that has an easier 1-60 experience than one that would be slightly better with BiS gear (as I am never going to get there).

With all that said, I am currently thinking Barb Shaman. My understanding is that Shammy is good solo or group.

To be totally honest, shamans are not the best solo'ers without gear, esp. pre-doggo (lvl 34) but they CAN solo. They are great in duos, trios, larger groups, even under geared though. Of course at the high end, you will be quite a strong solo'er. Shaman was my first char here, and it was a fun time.

One thing to consider about barb though is night blindness--humans, barbs and erudites have significantly reduced vision at night here (assuming you're on green). Thankfully you get Serpent Sight at lvl 9 so, so hang in there til then. 9 will be a big level.

One legit concern is am I going to have to run back to Halas to buy spells every few levels?


There's some spell overlap with other classes (SoW, Levitate, etc.) Those you don't necessarily have to run to Halas for, but the Shaman specific spells are mostly in Halas, Oggok, Grobb (and a few in WK for some reason). You might be able to use the evil cities with the help of druid dog form though, but never tried on a shaman, so ymmv.

I think barb shaman is a good choice. It has good quality of life spells, is welcome in any group, can solo, and benefits from gear (this will give you something to work towards).

[Toxigen]

Barb shaman is BiS for Fashionquest, which is all that matters in the end. You have to stare at your character the entire time playing the game, so it should be something you find appealing (I regret my Ogre warrior).

Lots of nerds gonna tell you to go troll / ogre for various reasons. Don't let 'em sway you.

Also I would recommend blue for your outlook on how you want to play the game. Lots of helpful people that will basically give you gear and plenty of open spaces to solo at.

PM me if you want help starting on blue. I have a mule full of starter gear just looking to give it away to someone that could really use it.

[Phobius]

Hey all, thanks for the tips. I just made my Shammy, Skotch, on Blue. Feel free to reach out in game, and thanks in advance for any assistance!

[DMN]

I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but i think shaman might be the worst caster in the game up until 30ish. Not in power/abilities, but in sheer boredom.

iksar can be shaman, too, in the off chance you weren't aware of that.

A lot of shaman spells are shared with druids and necros. You can always buy the really important spells ahead of time. Speaking of which Only minority of the shaman spells are even worth buying 1-50. A lot of chaff and little wheat.

[Hibren]

Black Bear Form > Polar Bear Form. Dont @ me.

[Greysky43]

Talk you out of it? Uhm... Torpor costs 80k? That's all i got.

[A Knight]

Shamans are expensive to have. But I'd make one. I'd love to make one right now. You might hit a cap, where you have to farm forever but eh. Fungi isn't impossible and I think that's all you need to do stuff. Not a shaman expert.

[CrazyHorse]

Shaman > *

[ScottBerta]

Shaman is a class where every race is strong choice. Barb being the least strong of the four but still good race/class combo. Ogre>Troll>Iksar>Barb

- Cisco 60 Ogre Shaman

[Stonewallx39]

If I see you on sometime Skotch we can group up. I’ve got a low lvl ranger hanging out in qeynos/BB. It’s pretty lonely but nostalgic for me.

Shaman is a great choice, pretty much unlimited upside for itemization/spells. Barb is a good choice, I can tell you for sure every bit of extra cost post 50 makes the grind easier.

[Toxigen]

If I see you on sometime Skotch we can group up. I’ve got a low lvl ranger hanging out in qeynos/BB. It’s pretty lonely but nostalgic for me.

Shaman is a great choice, pretty much unlimited upside for itemization/spells. Barb is a good choice, I can tell you for sure every bit of extra cost post 50 makes the grind easier.

When you guys get close to 40 I'll add my bard to the mix.

I've got Skotch a pretty good little starter gear set ready for him. Just waiting to hear back on a time to meet up.

[Gustoo]

Barbarian shaman is the only shaman that can go to happy towns and isn't alligned with disgusting evil swamp monster dieties.

On non PVP server there is no reason to want a slight technical advantage against 1999 designed AI mobs that are easy to dupe and kill. So be a barbarian and have a great time.

[Snaggles]

Wish I went barb instead of troll. Great choice.

[greenspectre]

I went barb shammy at green launch and don't regret it one bit. Remember shamans don't get invis until 29(!!!!) so being able to travel through most areas without having to dodge guards was a huge help.

Gear doesn't matter much. I was in banded with a Combine Spear until 35, basically. Get used to root/rotting until that pet though. Grouping was more fun than soloing by a long shot.

Also another tip when soloing- Infectious Cloud is its own DoT line and stacks with your other disease DoT. Adding it to the mix makes root/rot soloing a LITTLE less painful.

[Jimjam]

Shouldn’t the whole line of diseases stack with each other? I remember kiting Plane of Nightmare (admittedly not classic) and using every dot I had and my best poison to kill yellow cons in early 50s.

[Snaggles]

To my knowledge all sham disease and poison dots stack with their downranked versions. Bane of Nife and Ebolt melts faces...

[Phobius]

I just want to give a big shout-out to Toxigen and say thanks to everyone else who has helped me out on Blue. Skotch is already L16!

[Toxigen]

I just want to give a big shout-out to Toxigen and say thanks to everyone else who has helped me out on Blue. Skotch is already L16!

Flintkit threw in a nice mix of gear too!

Glad to get you off to a good start. I'd try to get some more +HP gear on some of those slots I couldn't quite piece together for ya.

Things should be much easier now in Unrest for you. Feel free to reach out if you need any more help. Happy Hunting!

[CrazyHorse]

To my knowledge all sham disease and poison dots stack with their downranked versions. Bane of Nife and Ebolt melts faces...

Bro... seriously? :eek:

[Jibartik]

This pic from the wiki always makes me like troll shaman.
https://i.imgur.com/nEYrY5x.jpg

[Gustoo]

All Shaman class / race combos are pretty good.

Ogre is best
Troll is best with Regen
Barbarian is best with goodly
Iksar is best if you like iksar