Question about servers

[nabbs]

I have been playing on blue for a bit. Have a few chars pushing 20. Then I keep seeing people talking about blue being the beta server? Did I start playing on the wrong server I wonder? Could someone explain like I’m 5 what the actual differences are? I couldn’t find an actual list on the wiki or post explaining this when choosing a server. Only thing I noticed is you can’t use a Ui on green and it has stricter rules.

Thank you
Nabbs

[feniin]

Blue is finished. It's 10+ years into its existence and has a steady, established player base. Green is newer and is currently in Kunark with patches released in a mostly classic timeline based on when they occured on live.

[loramin]

I have been playing on blue for a bit. Have a few chars pushing 20. Then I keep seeing people talking about blue being the beta server? Did I start playing on the wrong server I wonder? Could someone explain like I’m 5 what the actual differences are? I couldn’t find an actual list on the wiki or post explaining this when choosing a server. Only thing I noticed is you can’t use a Ui on green and it has stricter rules.

Thank you
Nabbs

The goal of this entire place is to re-create EverQuest, as closely as possible to how it was in 1999-2001.

To achieve that goal, the staff here started with a "stock" EQ Emulator server ... which was based on a much later version of EverQuest. They then set to work on trying to make all the "unclassic bits" of that server classic ... but this was a massive undertaking, and there was no way they could find all those bits, test that the classic versions worked properly, and do all the relevant coding, by themselves.

So, what they did was build a server (Blue) that would let everyone "beta test" their work as they went ... while also giving people a way to experience "close to classic" EQ while they worked. This went on for about a decade, with Blue getting closer and closer to classic (in all three "eras" of vanilla/Kunark/Velious).

Once all that work was done, they finally unveiled their masterpiece: the Green server. Unlike Blue, Green was (almost) completely classic from the start, so there were no "side effects". For instance, on Blue there were various "plat duping" bugs, items dropping from the wrong mob bugs, etc., which resulted in the Blue economy being very unclassic. Green had none (ok, far far less) of these issues.

Thus, if you want the true classic experience, Green will be much closer than "Beta Blue". But again, Blue (and Red) were all we had for over a decade, so many players have several characters they love on that server. Also, Blue currently is the only server with Velious, and hopefully (someday) Blue will also get custom content, created by the P99 devs (after they finish all their classic coding).

[Gustoo]

Blue is currently at the terminus of the timeline of project 1999. It is like time traveling 1 year into the future of Green as far as playable content and stuff.

The only reason to play green would be to be part of the first people (on that server) to explore Velious, but it will be highly contested and probably really anxiety ridden versus just playing velious on blue.

So you can't really go wrong with blue. The original plan was to merge green with blue in the end anyways, and I suspect that will still take place since it doesn't make sense to have two parallel velious locked servers.

But who knows.

[nabbs]

oh Nice .. thank you

[Videri]

I have been playing on blue for a bit. Have a few chars pushing 20. Then I keep seeing people talking about blue being the beta server? Did I start playing on the wrong server I wonder? Could someone explain like I’m 5 what the actual differences are? I couldn’t find an actual list on the wiki or post explaining this when choosing a server. Only thing I noticed is you can’t use a Ui on green and it has stricter rules.

Thank you
Nabbs

Calling Blue the "beta server" is just a way to belittle and and troll those who play there. The servers differ (Blue is 10 years old and at the end of the P99 timeline; Green is 1 year old and around halfway through the timeline), but there's no objective reason one is better than the other. You should play on the one that is more enticing to you.

I have a 55 wizard on Blue and a 55 warrior, 51 bard, and 51 druid on Green. Both are fun and full of awesome people to play with. Lots of fun to be had either way.

[nabbs]

That’s what I was thinking as well. Having fun on blue and being able to use a custom ui that I can read is really nice

[Jibartik]

I see posts from blue players like loramin and think, man they are just over there having fun.

[loramin]

Calling Blue the "beta server" is just a way to belittle and and troll those who play there.

That is not just a troll thing: even the staff themselves have called Blue the beta server. Why? Because ... it 100% was the beta server.

Since day one Blue was meant to be "where the devs got the kinks worked out" for their true goal: a server that would be classic from day one (ie. Green). But of course, those "kinks" had lasting side effects, and so (as much as I and many others love it) Blue will never be "as classic" as Green. That's not a slight against Blue or it's players, it's just a historical fact.

Nilbog's original post announcing Blue (http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29619) more than ten years ago even included the following at the end (emphasis added):

For any questions, comments, suggestions, and a full list of Rules, please visit the forums located at http://classicbetatest.guildlaunch.com

P.S. I encourage everyone who hasn't already to follow that link, and read the original post announcing the start of P99. It's really quite fun to see how things started, and how far they've come since ... plus it has little Nilbog gems like:

btw, The Plane of Fear will own you in the face, GL on your lustrous russet.

:D

[Nirgon]

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[Gustoo]

Yeah, it is. But the fact is that Blue is where Green is going to be in one year.

So if you aren't grinding with the timeline, you aren't really missing anything since all the fixes are on blue now, its complete. It doesn't seem like either community is particularly healthy but that would be my number 1 consideration.

[unsunghero]

It seems like a mistake for me to have rolled on green actually. Green had nothing going for it other than more players, which means more competition for camps, very little benefit esp as a solo class

What other negatives does green have?

1. Melee damage tables are crap on Green, and pets are overpowered in comparison. I wondered why literally 9/10 players in any zone are necromancers. I was watching a let’s play of a ranger who was 10 levels higher than my chanter, and my lev 20 animation pet was doing 15 damage more per hit than his char. This is fine for me as a pet class, but I wanted to reroll a SK who is going to be even more gimp than normal when compared to the pet classes until the melee tables get reworked like a year from now. So that reroll is out the window for me. Looks like I’m rerolling the server’s 93748492 necromancer

What else... oh yea, there’s no ability to cycle through targets which REALLY sucks as an enchanter, making me rely on trying to click around the massive oversized invisible hitboxes of mobs in order to cc. I’m trying to select a flying HUMONGOUS charmed Griffawn that’s attacking a wisp, and all I can select is the stupid freaking 1 centimeter tall wisp because classic EQ’s hit boxes are ridiculous

What else....oh yea the economy is still super inflated, and clicking the wiki prices on Blue before selecting Green will just depress the shit out of you. “Ooh only 300plat, I can afford this item, oh wait oops that’s blue, let me check green, oh it’s selling for 1500pp, YAY!”

What else....oh yeah there’s no pet window on green so instead I have to hit /pet report health every single time I hear my pet take a hit once he’s below 30% or so, so I know when to back him off and charm break. OH GOD DID MY PET GORGE HOUND JUST YELP OR WAS IT THE OTHER GORGE HOUND. /pet report health /pet report health /pet report health /pet report health /pet report health ...

What else....this is more minor but if you ever wanted to raid you would have a snowball’s chance in hell on blue but basically zero chance on green from what I’ve read on forums. This goes back to the too competitive, too many camps overpopulation issue

I basically regret my decision to roll on green and if I didn’t already save up about 4K worth of pp, I’d switch in a heartbeat if I was offered the same char on Blue. Mo’ players mo’ problems is how I look at it now

[Gustoo]

It seems like a mistake for me to have rolled on green actually. Green had nothing going for it other than more players, which means more competition for camps, very little benefit esp as a solo class

What other negatives does green have?

1. Melee damage tables are crap on Green, and pets are overpowered in comparison. I wondered why literally 9/10 players in any zone are necromancers. I was watching a let’s play of a ranger who was 10 levels higher than my chanter, and my lev 20 animation pet was doing 15 damage more per hit than his char. This is fine for me as a pet class, but I wanted to reroll a SK who is going to be even more gimp than normal when compared to the pet classes until the melee tables get reworked like a year from now. So that reroll is out the window for me. Looks like I’m rerolling the server’s 93748492 necromancer

What else... oh yea, there’s no ability to cycle through targets which REALLY sucks as an enchanter, making me rely on trying to click around the massive oversized invisible hit o Ed of mobs in order to cc. I’m trying to select a flying HUMONGOUS charmed Griffawn that’s attacking a wisp, and all I can select is the stupid freaking 1 centimeter tall wisp because classic EQ’s hit boxes are ridiculous

What else....oh yea the economy is still super inflated, and clicking the wiki prices on Blue before selecting Green will just depress the shit out of you. “Ooh only 300plat, I can afford this item, oh wait oops that’s blue, let me check green, oh it’s selling for 1500pp, YAY!”

What else....this is more minor but if you ever wanted to raid you would have a snowball’s chance in hell on blue but basically zero chance on green from what I’ve read on forums. This goes back to the too competitive, too many camps overpopulation issue

I basically regret my decision to roll on green and if I didn’t already save up about 4K worth of pp, I’d switch in a heartbeat if I was offered the same char on Blue

This guy listed a lot of good reasons to play on green. Green is at a different point in the timeline and it is cool to deal with quality of life issues as God intended. I guess I haven't played on blue or green in a long enough time because I could always get whatever I wanted when I played on blue. The prices on green reflect actual desirability of items and its a way better place to play. I remember when Yak sword went from being uber elite, to O.K. and decent for fashion for people that were behind the times in kunark, to being o.k. but really quite outdated in velious, to being vendor fodder in Luclin.

Its nicer when the yak is worth big bucks IMO.

[unsunghero]

This guy listed a lot of good reasons to play on green. Green is at a different point in the timeline and it is cool to deal with quality of life issues as God intended. I guess I haven't played on blue or green in a long enough time because I could always get whatever I wanted when I played on blue. The prices on green reflect actual desirability of items and its a way better place to play. I remember when Yak sword went from being uber elite, to O.K. and decent for fashion for people that were behind the times in kunark, to being o.k. but really quite outdated in velious, to being vendor fodder in Luclin.

Its nicer when the yak is worth big bucks IMO.

There’s still plenty of quality of life issues on Blue. And if you wanted, you could always insist on overpaying or closing the pet window to make life harder on yourself. Hell, I don’t respect anyone who doesn’t do hardcore mode where they have to delete their char and start over when they die. Anything less than that and I say go back to WoW (jk btw)

[A Knight]

I think blue is a good place for some beginners. Some people like me got into the game from gear from friends. I could see me loving blue, especially as a kid or even now.

[Xer0]

Blue will also get custom content, created by the P99 devs

gross.

[filthyphil]

Blue and green will be merged into red after maturity and you will all be sacrificed to the old gods.

[Gustoo]

Unsung I just meant that you detailed a lot of classic timeline stuff that hasn't changed so for some people those are cool things to live through that you never live through on blue if you start there.

I think you can't go wrong both are top heavy already and loaded with psychopaths probably quite a bit of people playing both servers at the same time holding down their favorite cash crop for who knows what ends.

[unsunghero]

Unsung I just meant that you detailed a lot of classic timeline stuff that hasn't changed so for some people those are cool things to live through that you never live through on blue if you start there.

I think you can't go wrong both are top heavy already and loaded with psychopaths probably quite a bit of people playing both servers at the same time holding down their favorite cash crop for who knows what ends.

Yeah I agree with you on those points, there's no guarantee that even with less people that all the good cash farm places still aren't taken, they probably are

And yea, if Green does eventually get moved into Blue, then I guess I will have a pet window and be able to cycle targets with a hotkey

[Gustoo]

Even before or if it never merges it will get timeline fixes.

Red had no ability to duck to interrupt spells and they left the ability on blue for some reason which kinda hurt my feelings.

[Arvan]

The goal of this entire place is to re-create EverQuest, as closely as possible to how it was in 1999-2001.

To achieve that goal, the staff here started with a "stock" EQ Emulator server ... which was based on a much later version of EverQuest. They then set to work on trying to make all the "unclassic bits" of that server classic ... but this was a massive undertaking, and there was no way they could find all those bits, test that the classic versions worked properly, and do all the relevant coding, by themselves.

So, what they did was build a server (Blue) that would let everyone "beta test" their work as they went ... while also giving people a way to experience "close to classic" EQ while they worked. This went on for about a decade, with Blue getting closer and closer to classic (in all three "eras" of vanilla/Kunark/Velious).

Once all that work was done, they finally unveiled their masterpiece: the Green server. Unlike Blue, Green was (almost) completely classic from the start, so there were no "side effects". For instance, on Blue there were various "plat duping" bugs, items dropping from the wrong mob bugs, etc., which resulted in the Blue economy being very unclassic. Green had none (ok, far far less) of these issues.

Thus, if you want the true classic experience, Green will be much closer than "Beta Blue". But again, Blue (and Red) were all we had for over a decade, so many players have several characters they love on that server. Also, Blue currently is the only server with Velious, and hopefully (someday) Blue will also get custom content, created by the P99 devs (after they finish all their classic coding).

Green isn't even close to classic. I mean i obviously like the servers but lets not lie and call them classic.