New to Red server

[reebit32]

I'm looking to start playing on red server tonight, with myself being new to the whole Pvp scene I have a few questions.


1) Do people raid often on red server?

2) Do other players get to loot items off your body?

3) Any class recommendations? (I play on Green server as a 53 Druid about the only class I've played/highest character I have)


~Plz no bully~

[Gustoo]

1. Yes that is almost the only thing that the 40-90 population currently playing on server do, they mostly log in for raids or are pharming high value mobs in small squads like fungus king probably is always killed, and tantor and lodizel other such killable mobs with good value dropable items. I am not sure who they sell these things to but they definitely make sure to get those mobs.

2. No, this is not a classic server it follows a custom ruleset that has changed over the years. Currently it is a plus or minus 4 levels PVP range server, all held coin is looted, with no EXP loss to PVP death. PVP death originally resulted in PVP loss, which resulted in griefing since there was no way to punish a player killer (guy who hangs out waiting to murder players) since his items were not lootable, and he didn't need exp since he had no intensions of leveling up. This resulted in much reduced PVP since no one had any reason to waste their time fighting a player killer when there only reward would be either wasted time, or EXP loss.

3. Play what class you like. You will have more fun with a solo class because you will be able to progress unhindered. Right now if you were interested in putting in some hours I would bet my life that any of the existing guilds would be willing to either log on one of their alts to group with you or power level the crap out of you to get you up to the raidable levels faster. However, this will take quite a bit of the "quest" out of the game, so it is your call.

The druid is a great class and can explore the game very enjoyably. Its tactically more wise to start with a class that you are familiar with but that is up to you. At the highest levels with the best possible gear, melee characters tend to be more powerful as they are stacked with resistance to all types of magic and are not hindered by limited manapool in their stomping of enemies. These same characters are not the best for killing cool mobs or doing quests alone since they are melee and spellcasters shine here.

So kinda take your pick. No classes truly suck though we all have our preferences. I don't like being a high level mage much, but at low levels they're a lot of fun.

If you do start playing regularly here, you will find a lot of good pals that are happy to have new blood to the server and will probably help you progress so I wouldn't be totally reluctant to make a more group dependent class if it was your preference.

Unlike blue, racial benefits matter more significantly here because PVP is much more demanding on a character, so a human monk is going to be meaningfully weaker than an iksar monk because of the superior regen and mitigation that the iksar has. Likewise, an Ogre version of any of the classes it can play gives you some real advantage, and as a new player you may want every advantage you can get.

Barbarian rogues can use throwing boulders, which are really strong, so I suggest a barbarian if you make a rogue.

There are numerous examples of best in class PVPers who chose to be "inferior" races, in the end your own skill and tenacity are much more significant than any racial benefits, but it is something to keep in mind.

Expect to be bullied. Don't lash out like a 12 year old when his manliness is questioned. Keep a level head and know that you should be friends with all these people. Theres not enough of them to write any of them off IMO.

[reebit32]

1. Yes that is almost the only thing that the 40-90 population currently playing on server do, they mostly log in for raids or are pharming high value mobs in small squads like fungus king probably is always killed, and tantor and lodizel other such killable mobs with good value dropable items. I am not sure who they sell these things to but they definitely make sure to get those mobs.

2. No, this is not a classic server it follows a custom ruleset that has changed over the years. Currently it is a plus or minus 4 levels PVP range server, all held coin is looted, with no EXP loss to PVP death. PVP death originally resulted in PVP loss, which resulted in griefing since there was no way to punish a player killer (guy who hangs out waiting to murder players) since his items were not lootable, and he didn't need exp since he had no intensions of leveling up. This resulted in much reduced PVP since no one had any reason to waste their time fighting a player killer when there only reward would be either wasted time, or EXP loss.

3. Play what class you like. You will have more fun with a solo class because you will be able to progress unhindered. Right now if you were interested in putting in some hours I would bet my life that any of the existing guilds would be willing to either log on one of their alts to group with you or power level the crap out of you to get you up to the raidable levels faster. However, this will take quite a bit of the "quest" out of the game, so it is your call.

The druid is a great class and can explore the game very enjoyably. Its tactically more wise to start with a class that you are familiar with but that is up to you. At the highest levels with the best possible gear, melee characters tend to be more powerful as they are stacked with resistance to all types of magic and are not hindered by limited manapool in their stomping of enemies. These same characters are not the best for killing cool mobs or doing quests alone since they are melee and spellcasters shine here.

So kinda take your pick. No classes truly suck though we all have our preferences. I don't like being a high level mage much, but at low levels they're a lot of fun.

If you do start playing regularly here, you will find a lot of good pals that are happy to have new blood to the server and will probably help you progress so I wouldn't be totally reluctant to make a more group dependent class if it was your preference.

Unlike blue, racial benefits matter more significantly here because PVP is much more demanding on a character, so a human monk is going to be meaningfully weaker than an iksar monk because of the superior regen and mitigation that the iksar has. Likewise, an Ogre version of any of the classes it can play gives you some real advantage, and as a new player you may want every advantage you can get.

Barbarian rogues can use throwing boulders, which are really strong, so I suggest a barbarian if you make a rogue.

There are numerous examples of best in class PVPers who chose to be "inferior" races, in the end your own skill and tenacity are much more significant than any racial benefits, but it is something to keep in mind.

Expect to be bullied. Don't lash out like a 12 year old when his manliness is questioned. Keep a level head and know that you should be friends with all these people. Theres not enough of them to write any of them off IMO.

Thank you for the info and the time to reply!

[reebit32]

There's no Exp loss on pvp death, now the player that kills you I'm assuming doesn't gain any exp from the kill?

[A Knight]

I would go with necro, any race. If you want to be the best be iksar.

And make a porter. With low population you might not sell ports well but its nice to be able to have a character that can teleport anywhere. And both porters are decent especially druids.

Part of pvp is logging to play another character while someone camps your corpse on another character. It almost makes you realize that's how EQ is made to be played even without Wow rest xp.

[reebit32]

I would go with necro, any race. If you want to be the best be iksar.

And make a porter. With low population you might not sell ports well but its nice to be able to have a character that can teleport anywhere. And both porters are decent especially druids.

Part of pvp is logging to play another character while someone camps your corpse on another character. It almost makes you realize that's how EQ is made to be played even without Wow rest xp.

Also a good idea, thank you!

[Gustoo]

Reebit- correct there is no exp gain from PVP kills. There is a stupid global OOC channel that people will talk trash on and also shows PVP kills. The was based on feedback from other emulated PVP servers that each lasted like 1 month before they were zero pop and these EMU pvp players somehow managed to get staff to put forward mega unclassic things. The intent of this was to encourage more PVP so people could flock to the PVP encounter area and get involved. The PVP death announcement is called "Yellow text" but in reality it seemed to reduce people's willingness to PVP because they would then be mocked on global OOC channel in real time after their PVP defeat. Literally no one knows why the hell global OOC and yellow text have not yet been removed when all other aspects of project 1999 have tried to be as classic as possible.

Iksar necro could be a really fun leveling path, going through all the kunark zones where you may not have adventured before, but again, play a class you're going to enjoy. Necro's aren't the most powerful in PVP for a variety of reasons but really there is not a lot of PVP happening, and their level up and adventuring experience is top tier.

Also spend some time thinking about how you buff yourself if you have spells. Consider "top slot" which is the concept that most non beneficial spells will land in the top slot of your spell array and your dispell items or spells have a higher chance of working against that top slot, so you want your enemies spells like Dots and stuff to land in your upper slots.

You want to use every single buff you have available to you whenever there is even a chance of PVP. Unlike blue, all these things matter. Magic resist is the best stat.

People use items like "telescope" to be a junk buff that leaves the top slot open.

I am only telling you about these strategies to get you excited about how much deeper everquest with PVP enabled is. There are hundreds of items that mean nothing to anyone on blue server that are gold on red.

What are some of the classes you are interested in? Forumquest discussion of PVP classes is one of my favorite past times.

[magnetaress]

Gustoo with the heroic posts.

https://i.imgur.com/UMOIKNI.jpg

[strongNpretty]

Eeeeyyy if you startin a necro, and would also like a guild to call home, you let me know!! I got a little caster starter kit and a guild invite waitin for ya!!!

[totmanc]

Pick Erudite if you want to be a successful necromancer not Iksar.

Mana pool is > a tiny bit of hp regen in a pvp scenario

[Gustoo]

This guy is out of his mind for like 10kpp you are pegged at maximum intelligence its impossible not to max.

In vanilla era, the erudite makes sense due to limited gear.

In velious era, terrible choice.

Similarly, in vanilla era, a high elf paladin is pretty aweful, but in velious era, best choice.

[totmanc]

This guy is out of his mind for like 10kpp you are pegged at maximum intelligence its impossible not to max.

In vanilla era, the erudite makes sense due to limited gear.

In velious era, terrible choice.

Similarly, in vanilla era, a high elf paladin is pretty aweful, but in velious era, best choice.

Log on and battle 60 necros? I will if you do. Pip

Also logged in my very geared necro and he isnt 255 int and doesnt have a starting int of 75. Buzz off ya dingus and learn eq

[magnetaress]

My necro has like 109 int DE and my cleric 90 wis. Both are fine and ppl like grping even tho I'm a scrub without even MR gear.

[Gustoo]

Log on and battle 60 necros? I will if you do. Pip

Also logged in my very geared necro and he isnt 255 int and doesnt have a starting int of 75. Buzz off ya dingus and learn eq

It depends where you want to call good geared vs not good geared.

Not good geared - this guy isn't going to see a drop of PVP, ever. So better off with an iksar.

Good Geared - this guy is better off with an iksar.

There is only 1 area where a higher intelligence race is superior, and it is when you're in a pvp battle dumping all on costly lifetaps and run yourself OOM. You have a 32 intelligence advantage which is negated by gear relatively quickly. Plus you need to put 5 into agility so you're at a 27 point advantage with no regen.

That's all I am trying to say. Sorry for coming out of the gate with a personal insult the way I did, but in my mind the iksar bonus is an easy tradeoff and well I felt like having some fun.

Biggest point in favor of an erudite or gnome is that they are non KOS race so can travel more of norrath with more freedom without faction work, and the erudite gets to be based in a super cool secret evil base in paineel which is almost worth it too if you're into it. These days I wouldn't do an erudite because of the night blind.

[totmanc]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Mantle_of_Souls

ez quest takes like 1 hour with ports

[Gustoo]

Thats a decent item but not enough justification for an erudite man.

Edit- going off topic this poster can pick whatever race he wants who cares. TotmanC more power to you and your erudite necro my friend.

[Tassador]

Lol new to red and instantly walls of text from the same folks. Maybe this guy will stay. Working really hard for a possible +1 these days.

[magnetaress]

Lol new to red and instantly walls of text from the same folks. Maybe this guy will stay. Working really hard for a possible +1 these days.

Its not recruitment.. the guys already here.. I enjoy talking about how fun, cool, deep the game is. Whats possible. Try it sometime.

[A Knight]

1. Yes that is almost the only thing that the 40-90 population currently playing on server do, they mostly log in for raids or are pharming high value mobs in small squads like fungus king probably is always killed, and tantor and lodizel other such killable mobs with good value dropable items. I am not sure who they sell these things to but they definitely make sure to get those mobs.

2. No, this is not a classic server it follows a custom ruleset that has changed over the years. Currently it is a plus or minus 4 levels PVP range server, all held coin is looted, with no EXP loss to PVP death. PVP death originally resulted in PVP loss, which resulted in griefing since there was no way to punish a player killer (guy who hangs out waiting to murder players) since his items were not lootable, and he didn't need exp since he had no intensions of leveling up. This resulted in much reduced PVP since no one had any reason to waste their time fighting a player killer when there only reward would be either wasted time, or EXP loss.

3. Play what class you like. You will have more fun with a solo class because you will be able to progress unhindered. Right now if you were interested in putting in some hours I would bet my life that any of the existing guilds would be willing to either log on one of their alts to group with you or power level the crap out of you to get you up to the raidable levels faster. However, this will take quite a bit of the "quest" out of the game, so it is your call.

The druid is a great class and can explore the game very enjoyably. Its tactically more wise to start with a class that you are familiar with but that is up to you. At the highest levels with the best possible gear, melee characters tend to be more powerful as they are stacked with resistance to all types of magic and are not hindered by limited manapool in their stomping of enemies. These same characters are not the best for killing cool mobs or doing quests alone since they are melee and spellcasters shine here.

So kinda take your pick. No classes truly suck though we all have our preferences. I don't like being a high level mage much, but at low levels they're a lot of fun.

If you do start playing regularly here, you will find a lot of good pals that are happy to have new blood to the server and will probably help you progress so I wouldn't be totally reluctant to make a more group dependent class if it was your preference.

Unlike blue, racial benefits matter more significantly here because PVP is much more demanding on a character, so a human monk is going to be meaningfully weaker than an iksar monk because of the superior regen and mitigation that the iksar has. Likewise, an Ogre version of any of the classes it can play gives you some real advantage, and as a new player you may want every advantage you can get.

Barbarian rogues can use throwing boulders, which are really strong, so I suggest a barbarian if you make a rogue.

There are numerous examples of best in class PVPers who chose to be "inferior" races, in the end your own skill and tenacity are much more significant than any racial benefits, but it is something to keep in mind.

Expect to be bullied. Don't lash out like a 12 year old when his manliness is questioned. Keep a level head and know that you should be friends with all these people. Theres not enough of them to write any of them off IMO.

Gustoo gives good advice. He is a good guy.

Necro with high mana is a good idea at low levels due to mana. Iksar is good too though. I think iksar is best though because I don't want to panic while in lich and int is easy to get at high levels.

I'm used to red so I may easily ignore people calling people noobs after they get pvped. I've seen the joy of red server though so its easy for me to play even if someone calls me a noob. I don't want to jinx it though! >_< People might just always find holes in what people say.

[reebit32]

Lol new to red and instantly walls of text from the same folks. Maybe this guy will stay. Working really hard for a possible +1 these days.

I've been playing! I'm an Iskar Necro! Been soloing in Field of bones, on newbie ramp :}

[Tassador]

Its not recruitment.. the guys already here.. I enjoy talking about how fun, cool, deep the game is. Whats possible. Try it sometime.

No.

Hope this new guy is having fun tho. Not really eq pvp but w/e everyone and everything is great.

[Lurgort/Sseri]

Popped into R99 for a bit and buffed the new guy.

[reebit32]

Popped into R99 for a bit and buffed the new guy.

You did thank you!

[Knuckle]

I'm looking to start playing on red server tonight, with myself being new to the whole Pvp scene I have a few questions.


1) Do people raid often on red server?

2) Do other players get to loot items off your body?

3) Any class recommendations? (I play on Green server as a 53 Druid about the only class I've played/highest character I have)


~Plz no bully~

There is a small number of high level guilds that raid, no items just coin loot. Your death is broadcasted global " Yellow Text" Soandso slain by soandso in _zone.

Sticking to druid is a smart choice. It's a very low population server, without significant wait times you should play a class that can solo to max level.

edit: saw that you have started iksar necro, looks fun, I played a DE Necro to level 35 at launch before rerolling like 2 years later, but thats another story. Make sure to farm those halfling guards in your 30s if you want good coin loot to buy your spells. I'd check out the money making guide that necros can take full advantage of since your faction is already garbage. Only downside is when no merchant is nearby for your iksar to sell to/train at.


edit: one option is for when you can farm bags of X item to sell to vendor, make a level 1 that can sell nearby, and drop your bags where the level 1 is camped, this pop is so low if you dont drop it somewhere obviouis thats a safe way to farm your loots anywhere off kunark if you so desire.

[Lurgort/Sseri]

edit: one option is for when you can farm bags of X item to sell to vendor, make a level 1 that can sell nearby, and drop your bags where the level 1 is camped, this pop is so low if you dont drop it somewhere obviouis thats a safe way to farm your loots anywhere off kunark if you so desire.

Yup, Felwithe Guards at L49+ / roll a level 1 High Elf enchanter to pick stuff up to sell. Named mine Elftraitor, great money.

[EatitNerd]

Don’t listen to Gustoo for race advice, noone cares about rogue boulders or iksar regen it’s all negligible (and he’s wrong in a lot of cases anyway), play what you want

[Icetech]

Thanks for all the nfo in this thread :) am gonna mess around on red a bit til bored (shouldn't take long..) :)

[Gustoo]

Don’t listen to Gustoo for race advice, noone cares about rogue boulders or iksar regen it’s all negligible (and he’s wrong in a lot of cases anyway), play what you want

I concluded my advice with “
There are numerous examples of best in class PVPers who chose to be "inferior" races, in the end your own skill and tenacity are much more significant than any racial benefits, but it is something to keep in mind. ” and barbarian rogues, iksar monks, and ogres are all objectively superior, but as noted the player matters more by a long shot

[Knuckle]

I concluded my advice with “
There are numerous examples of best in class PVPers who chose to be "inferior" races, in the end your own skill and tenacity are much more significant than any racial benefits, but it is something to keep in mind. ” and barbarian rogues, iksar monks, and ogres are all objectively superior, but as noted the player matters more by a long shot

I can say firsthand having played in rogue BOTB vs boulder barbarians that it is a broken advantage for those types of events and does in fact negate skill. Not even sure why they allow those in BOTB. That being said I did win a title for my boy.

[Icetech]

started a cleric, switched to chanter.. never really played either, should be bad :)

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Enchanter is a good choice to start. Very rewarding to play and engaging at the same time.

If you find me online then reach out - I’m a 250jc and would be happy to craft you a set of jewelry to help you along the way.

[Icetech]

Enchanter is a good choice to start. Very rewarding to play and engaging at the same time.

If you find me online then reach out - I’m a 250jc and would be happy to craft you a set of jewelry to help you along the way.


thank you much :) I never played pvp on eq before.. i figure a server with such little pop, everyone probably knows each other and should be a pretty tight community :)

[Snortles Chortles]

everyone that joined red after 2012 is not a real red player
hope this helps

[Icetech]

K.. then i'm not a real red player... and that matters for some reason?

[A Knight]

wrong post

[A Knight]

Oops I posted on the wrong post.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/CQsxE.gif

[A Knight]

love the .gif

[Elponito]

hello,

I started on the red server last week, I am now level 35 rogue, i have been gifted some money and wish to buy gears to help me level since i mostly have to play alone.

Send me a tell ingame, i am Mata ( be careful "/who all mata" always show me offline even if i am online, I have had same issue on blue).

I aim to go to level 60 and do all kind of things where a rogue can be used, I am from France but play alot at any time.

have good day !

[Gustoo]

Wow nice work yeah you must be pretty serious about the grindage if you're 35 in 1 week thats some robust leveling.

Welcome. I am sure you will find many friends that appreciate a new person with a lot of available play time.

As you can imagine the best thing for you is going to be an ikky regen, rubi BP, or fungi tunic if you are grinding solo so much, and of course a good mainhand weapon.

Best of luck.

[A Knight]

Crystalline spider fang is OP and cheap at 200pp or so. It might be more expensive or harder to get on red.

Because the economy is so shot, I would pay a little more than usual just to get it but it depends on the money you have.

Unfortunately currently you may have to just buy what is available. Even slime coated harpoon would work.

[A Knight]

Iksar BP is great. It starts to slow down is effect around 30-40 but I wouldn't get rid of it because of this.

I would keep it and probably not get rid of it. For someone who cannot afford 200k gear it is priceless.

[Gustoo]

Ikky bp has always been pretty rare on red. Maybe people just didn’t take the time to camp them because fungi was getting done with duos on kinda broken mechanics? I dunno