Of the 50 people interested in Red 2.0, why don't we make our own?

[Dulu]

Serious question. Kinda.

I'm sure between the 50 of us we have some money and knowledge.

Not all of us are on disability and welfare.. right?

[Jibartik]

Rise of zek.

[Dulu]

Rise of zek.

Yeah but half of the community doesn't want to play with botters and boxers.

So it's not the same.

[Jibartik]

Yeah boxes suck. I am interested in a server until I see they allow boxing and then I just close the tab. Good point.

[Tassador]

Rise of drek is not eq. You build a red 2 and they will come. Not sure for how long but they will come.

[magnetaress]

Serious question. Kinda.

I'm sure between the 50 of us we have some money and knowledge.

Not all of us are on disability and welfare.. right?

Rise of zek.

Yeah but half of the community doesn't want to play with botters and boxers.

So it's not the same.

Yeah boxes suck. I am interested in a server until I see they allow boxing and then I just close the tab. Good point.

Rise of drek is not eq. You build a red 2 and they will come. Not sure for how long but they will come.

[Gustoo]

although EQ EMU is an open project, the code and stuff available from box stock titanium client and via EQ EMU open source stuff is not really adequate to compete with legitimate project 1999 everquest which has taken great pains to restore the "classic" nature of the game.

So while anyone could start up an EQ EMU server with relatively low effort it would not be the same thing as Red 2.0 and one would probably be better served by trying to re-invigorate red 1.0 in that case because we have a good platform here.

Red 1.0 is now quite old and has been flat lined for quite a long time and it makes great sense for p99 staff to have a new red server at some point in the future. Its reasonable to imagine that they will wait until it will have a minimum impact on the green servers progress and success. As green numbers slowly begin to match the numbers of the blue server as green approaches its terminal location (velious, sleeper woke, etc) the chances of red 2.0 increase drastically.

The fact is that we really don't want a red 2.0 when Green is still so fresh. The playerbase is quite limited and we need some bluebie guys to come over and want a fresh everquest server to play on, and might be willing to try PVP since there is no other option for classic everquest.

Even though I've had like 5 years to think about it I still can't decide what class I will make on the big re-roll.

[magnetaress]

I would be ok with waiting till that moemnt when they roll green into blue, open a new green, and red2.0 simultanously, give ppl an alternative that isn't teal to try something new

we wont get new blood, we have to recruit bluebies, and i think red1.0 is still viable, but bluebies and diehard pvpers both play differently than i

so a lot of people settle for green

[Gustoo]

I don't think they will release new Blue server at same time as new Red server. They don't hate us that much. It would make both servers weaker.

We should get some wow classic people to come try actual classic MMO experience.

[Izmael]

Two reasons:

- P99's database took a decade to be built be a team of volunteers and it's not public
- P99's source code took a decade to reach its current form and it's not public

[Gustoo]

Two reasons:

- P99's database took a decade to be built be a team of volunteers and it's not public
- P99's source code took a decade to reach its current form and it's not public

thanks for saying it correctly

[Fame]

The guy we would need to secure to code is already in prison on elf sim related charges. He does have a book deal though, maybe he’ll be able to afford a attorney if he manages to sell more than 2 copies

[Dulu]

The guy we would need to secure to code is already in prison on elf sim related charges. He does have a book deal though, maybe he’ll be able to afford a attorney if he manages to sell more than 2 copies

Does he have an onlyfans, ill contribute.

[loramin]

I know this might be an anathema to everyone who plays on Red, but sometimes in life you can get more done by working with people.

If someone actually setup a "fake classic" (ie. stock eq emulator with limited zones and such) PvP server, built a community (and that doesn't just mean a community of players: it also needs a community of volunteers, because you can't get "no two-boxing" without staff) ...

... and then said to R&N "look, we've got more people than Red, people like what we have, but it's not classic and we want it to be: can you help us?" ... well, maybe I'm crazy and wrong, but I think R&N might just help. They might share their source/database, or they might offer to spin up a new Red and let this server's team manage it. Who knows?

[Gustoo]

I think you're right Loramin.

But RoZ is already trying and honestly I would rather have the community concentrated here just for the increased exposure to the vast majority of the EQEMU population that a P99 PVP server gets.

[Jimjam]

I know this might be an anathema to everyone who plays on Red, but sometimes in life you can get more done by working with people.

If someone actually setup a "fake classic" (ie. stock eq emulator with limited zones and such) PvP server, built a community (and that doesn't just mean a community of players: it also needs a community of volunteers, because you can't get "no two-boxing" without staff) ...

... and then said to R&N "look, we've got more people than Red, people like what we have, but it's not classic and we want it to be: can you help us?" ... well, maybe I'm crazy and wrong, but I think R&N might just help. They might share their source/database, or they might offer to spin up a new Red and let this server's team manage it. Who knows?

PVP at the server level

[Tradesonred]

I don't think they will release new Blue server at same time as new Red server. They don't hate us that much. It would make both servers weaker.

We should get some wow classic people to come try actual classic MMO experience.

Didnt they do something like that to red though? Cant remember the specifics, maybe when they removed xp loss in pvp? I remember at some points thinking these decisions cant be real, they want red to fail for some reason. Looking back on it with the derubael rmt debacle im tempted to think dollars were involved in blue so reds growth had to be kept under control.

[Gustoo]

I can't remember for sure. Sometimes it felt like they only made bad choices for the server. They did ultimately make it a flat 4 level pvp range with no EXP loss on pvp death but the ruleset from on high was questioned from the beginning on the beta server. I don't even remember people asking beta to close there were all kinds of things that people wanted to actually BETA TEST before the server launch. The beta went for a long time with no few changes implemented, and then the server went live. For me I was caught off guard because I already gave up on beta and wasn't paying attention to the live launch and was really bummed about that.

[Knuckle]

Serious question. Kinda.

I'm sure between the 50 of us we have some money and knowledge.

Not all of us are on disability and welfare.. right?

do you think making a classic accurate server is something you pull out of your ass? there is a reason rogean keeps his code locked up.

[silo32]

why dont you low lifes just play on red? whats the problem? why do you fight it?

[Flexin]

Need fresh. Many would play, I would donate/pay, I'm gay, have a nice day.

[Darksinga]

http://rotpvp.com/ is a classic EverQuest project currently being worked on that will probably see the light of day within the next few months. Deity based PvP

[Tradesonred]

I can't remember for sure. Sometimes it felt like they only made bad choices for the server. They did ultimately make it a flat 4 level pvp range with no EXP loss on pvp death but the ruleset from on high was questioned from the beginning on the beta server. I don't even remember people asking beta to close there were all kinds of things that people wanted to actually BETA TEST before the server launch. The beta went for a long time with no few changes implemented, and then the server went live. For me I was caught off guard because I already gave up on beta and wasn't paying attention to the live launch and was really bummed about that.

One decision i remember was Sirken (bless his heart) nerfing xp during kunark saying something like "its going to be bad before its going to be good", roughly half the server quit (including me) and never came back.

[Tassador]

why dont you low lifes just play on red? whats the problem? why do you fight it?

I love final fantasy tactics love it can replay that game several times. You know what I can’t do load my save file with everything and just do nothing or the last fight. So the easy answer for you which will be hard to accept due to brug drain bramage is that people want fresh shit.

[Muaar]

boxing should be allowed on blue/green but not red.

[Gustoo]

One decision i remember was Sirken (bless his heart) nerfing xp during kunark saying something like "its going to be bad before its going to be good", roughly half the server quit (including me) and never came back.

The only events I remember crippling the server was Holocaust ban and then nihilum
Ban. Server ended with nihilum ban.

Sounds like the XP nerf was right in the middle there

[magnetaress]

How do we know that rof client isn't a Trojan?

[Imago]

The only events I remember crippling the server was Holocaust ban and then nihilum
Ban. Server ended with nihilum ban.

Sounds like the XP nerf was right in the middle there

I wasn't there for the Holocaust ban.

I was around for the XP nerf. That came ~ 6 months after an XP bump was accidentally left on for the EQ Next Reveal. Definitely took the pop down to +/- 50.

Nihilum ban was actually quite interesting to watch as a non-member. Seeing them split into the reforged Holocaust and God's Work and completely changing the server dynamic against Azrael (who initially had the upper hand) was quite invigorating for the playerbase.

Never forget the Battle for KC, which tested the true limits of the hamsters running the box.

[Kief]

I love final fantasy tactics love it can replay that game several times. You know what I can’t do load my save file with everything and just do nothing or the last fight. So the easy answer for you which will be hard to accept due to brug drain bramage is that people want fresh shit.

Tassador....read this back to yourself and then try to say someone else is on drugs.

Take a deep breath and step away from the computer dude. You've been making these incoherent posts like this for years. Jesus have mercy on you.

[A Knight]

http://rotpvp.com/ is a classic EverQuest project currently being worked on that will probably see the light of day within the next few months. Deity based PvP

sounds interesting but ehhhh.... too much work

ill just end up with a virus

[Swish]

I wasn't there for the Holocaust ban.

I was around for the XP nerf. That came ~ 6 months after an XP bump was accidentally left on for the EQ Next Reveal. Definitely took the pop down to +/- 50.

Nihilum ban was actually quite interesting to watch as a non-member. Seeing them split into the reforged Holocaust and God's Work and completely changing the server dynamic against Azrael (who initially had the upper hand) was quite invigorating for the playerbase.

Never forget the Battle for KC, which tested the true limits of the hamsters running the box.

The XP nerf dropped the pop from about 280 nightly down to under 100. When they put something back in (what we have now) it brought some back but a lot didn't come back.

Red server wasn't allowed to win.

[A Knight]

The XP nerf dropped the pop from about 280 nightly down to under 100. When they put something back in (what we have now) it brought some back but a lot didn't come back.

Red server wasn't allowed to win.

*Talks in raspy voice*

They'll hunt red server. No you'll hunt red server. They'll condemn red server. Set the dogs on red server. Because that's what needs to happen. Because sometimes... truth isn't good enough.

Because red server is not the destined server. Its something else. Its a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A dark everquest.

*Smashes red bat signal* /cry

[magnetaress]

Red is heroic, mythic, legendary EQ.

[Gustoo]

*Talks in raspy voice*

They'll hunt red server. No you'll hunt red server. They'll condemn red server. Set the dogs on red server. Because that's what needs to happen. Because sometimes... truth isn't good enough.

Because red server is not the destined server. Its something else. Its a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A dark everquest.

*Smashes red bat signal* /cry

[strongNpretty]

Love my server :)

[strongNpretty]

That Tassador guy has some mental health struggles. His english sucks. He posts nonsense. Nobody ever EVER tells me who this guy actually was or is on the server.. So either nobody knows, or they dont care. Or he actually was somebody of importance and nobody wants to talk shit about him? I dont know, the veterans have an odd relationship with that Tassador guy.. Almost come to his defense sometimes... Also, Tassador is spelled wrong..

[Gustoo]

I don't know who anyone is in game unless they have a picture or something in their sig. There is like 1 poster who's toons I either know or can guess with like 90 percent accuracy.

I want to promote as much unity as possible between the psychos that play on red 99 or want to play on red 99. Thats all.

[magnetaress]

I don't care what ur feelings, creed, or mental state is, if ur on red I love u.

Except <Alcoholics>

(actualy they are fine too, just really??? your not going to rez someone with a single click who's standing before you who tried to help you?)

CORPSE GOT!

C U REAL SOON

(after some more DS:9)

[Izmael]

That Tassador guy has some mental health struggles. His english sucks. He posts nonsense. Nobody ever EVER tells me who this guy actually was or is on the server.. So either nobody knows, or they dont care. Or he actually was somebody of importance and nobody wants to talk shit about him? I dont know, the veterans have an odd relationship with that Tassador guy.. Almost come to his defense sometimes... Also, Tassador is spelled wrong..

He's one of the local village idiots. Been around forever so people sorta got used to seeing his name and rubbish posts.

[strongNpretty]

He's one of the local village idiots. Been around forever so people sorta got used to seeing his name and rubbish posts.

Seems odd of red players to just let that go... Maybe cause his broken english is only directed towards new players he doesn't know? And he doesn't seem to pick fights or form opinions to those who have established themselves as a regular on the server??

I don't know what it is about Tassadors relationship with other veteran red players posting here often that interests me... But something about this relationship fascinates me..... What has he done to gain such credit? Why is it that not one of these veteran forum questers pick apart his posts, or ask for screenshots from previous kills? He just is grandfathered into being an OG cause he shit posts for years?

Again- I'm fascinated on this character.... I must know more on the Tassador folks...

[Jimjam]

I don't care what ur feelings, creed, or mental state is, if ur on red I love u.

Except <Alcoholics>

(actualy they are fine too, just really??? your not going to rez someone with a single click who's standing before you who tried to help you?)

CORPSE GOT!

C U REAL SOON

(after some more DS:9)

I’ll PL you with my 28 warrior. His gear so OP he only got one cloth item atm.

[Raclen]

Pretty much every other MMO outside of project 1999 has made it to seasons, knowing that is how you keep the game fresh and fun for people. You may want single box and not like some decisions RoZ makes but this server isn't even an option. It is completely stale and pointless to log in.

[reebz]

I got no issues with Tassador because there's no reason to. Red99 is garbo and anyone still playing it other then the mentally ill (like Tune, bless him) is an idiot. If a new pvp box dropped (it wont) i know Tassador would be racking up the kill shots.

For a frame of reference, I get stupid and log into red99 once every month or two. Sometimes I kill a person, most often I /who see there are 40 people on, only 5 in range to 60, then I log off and im less of an idiot.

[strongNpretty]

I got no issues with Tassador because there's no reason to. Red99 is garbo and anyone still playing it other then the mentally ill (like Tune, bless him) is an idiot. If a new pvp box dropped (it wont) i know Tassador would be racking up the kill shots.

For a frame of reference, I get stupid and log into red99 once every month or two. Sometimes I kill a person, most often I /who see there are 40 people on, only 5 in range to 60, then I log off and im less of an idiot.

And then you login to blue/green, and check your friends list and realize that it's way more cool and healthy to play with a higher population? I dont really get that... Am I a mentally ill drug addict just cause i still play red dead redemption 2 alone in single player while everybody seems to be playing the online mode?

[strongNpretty]

I got no issues with Tassador because there's no reason to. Red99 is garbo and anyone still playing it other then the mentally ill (like Tune, bless him) is an idiot. If a new pvp box dropped (it wont) i know Tassador would be racking up the kill shots.

For a frame of reference, I get stupid and log into red99 once every month or two. Sometimes I kill a person, most often I /who see there are 40 people on, only 5 in range to 60, then I log off and im less of an idiot.

Also, RIP Jim Lahey if that's who your avatar is.... And if it isn't, then RIP Jim Lahey anyways.. Flying with the shit birds now...

[Tunabros]

oh damn, why couldn't we just make our own? why didn't I think of that!!

Ok, now how do I it get a source code and build up a server...

[Gustoo]

It is good for new players to get on the server and do their thing like strongNpretty.

With people that have some history like on the server like Tassador we just aren't going to keep pounding our head against concrete.

Any new player to project 1999 should play on red because lawyerquest on green and blue is a joke, and red is going to be the next fresh server, guaranteed. That means people playing red99 now are going to have a lot more skills than new comers and will give you an advantage when the server you really want finally comes around.

I logged on last week and saw someone from my friends list and almost shit my pants. I think it was probably someone else playing his toon though. Who knows. I refreshed my buffs and camped out. :P

[reebz]

Strongandpretty looking pretty stupid right now. What makes you think im going to log into blue or green? Lol. Yikes. And ya playing red dead redemption alone is incredibly sad im sorry your alone in life.

Maybe red99 is good for you ������

[strongNpretty]

Strongandpretty looking pretty stupid right now. What makes you think im going to log into blue or green? Lol. Yikes. And ya playing red dead redemption alone is incredibly sad im sorry your alone in life.

Maybe red99 is good for you ������

Sad.. See what happens when you lose your life to video games? You end up some strange, frail, empty sad man picking on people who still enjoy the game that ruined his own... Sadness.

[reebz]

1Lol who do you even think I am?

*welp* time to play Red Dead by myself LOL

[strongNpretty]

1Lol who do you even think I am?

*welp* time to play Red Dead by myself LOL

I have 0 idea who u are. But this is what I have witnessed.. You're mad dicky. Your avatar is a frail old man who looks like Jim Lahey.. Therefor until proven otherwise, you're that old ass Jim Lahey lookin dude. You're also an alcoholic, and you secretly have a relationship with a male prostitute who goes by the name of randy, who accepts payments for sex in the form of cheeseburgers.. You are manager of sunnyvale trailer park.

TLDR- You're a old skinny alcoholic named Jim Lahey, who is in love with a male prostitute who enjoys an unhealthy love of cheeseburgers.. That is your answer good sir. That is who you are to me.

Who am I? Well I'm just a guy who plays a single player game on the xbox sometimes. as a single player..

[strongNpretty]

Oh.. And......
https://i.imgur.com/nTFJ4Ky.jpg

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Never forget the Battle for KC, which tested the true limits of the hamsters running the box.

I have played Blue, Red, and Green off and on since 2011 and this is still probably my most memorable moment on P99 period.

I tried to stick around after the Nihilum ban, even ended up joining Azrael for a bit which was a fun twist considering they had been the enemy for so long. But as you said the dynamic of the server changed too much with Nihilum gone and I lost interested.

[Gustoo]

strongNpretty you're reading the wrong things into reebz messages.

He is a real PVP man. He quit like 9.9/10 of the rest of the pvp men on the server.

You underestimate what the brave fighters from days of yore have been through on red99.

The fact that reebz and tassador still post in the forums is testament to the fact that they love EQ PVP deeply and will play a living server as soon as possible. Same here.

[magnetaress]

My best memories are red99. I will haunt you forever.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Not sure if Node was a boxed cleric originally, I purchased him for 20kpp on blue back when that was still allowed and played him until I leveled my monk which became my main.

[Fame]

Tass wasn’t always as dark as he is these days.

That’s the whole story.

[strongNpretty]

strongNpretty you're reading the wrong things into reebz messages.

He is a real PVP man. He quit like 9.9/10 of the rest of the pvp men on the server.

You underestimate what the brave fighters from days of yore have been through on red99.

The fact that reebz and tassador still post in the forums is testament to the fact that they love EQ PVP deeply and will play a living server as soon as possible. Same here.

All good with me Gustoo.. Kids here's some advice- Don't grow up to be a fucking Reebz or a Tassador.

[Krazy/sickpuppy]

When did snitching become cool

[heartbrand]

The people best equipped to code a classic server are not really motivated and are quite difficult to work with. This isn’t like paying chinamen to code an app for you.

[Tassador]

Some people play pvp to pvp. Some people play eq for friends and lifelong goals of obtaining an epic.

I want to pvp just not going to do it on rise of drek or ded99. But yeah it’s hard to get the crew that can actually put this together to give a fuck enough about 90-140 hardcore pvp players that basically slap the team in the face. So that’s that!

[Baam]

Theres gotta be a hacker out there who could get red 1.0 data base and source codes :) :D

[DoodyLich666]

When did snitching become cool

I don’t know, but it definitely seems like snitching is on the rise in society right now. Not a good look.

[magnetaress]

Just make the real museum box we were supposed to get so we can time travel like we were advertised.

[Shac]

although EQ EMU is an open project, the code and stuff available from box stock titanium client and via EQ EMU open source stuff is not really adequate to compete with legitimate project 1999 everquest which has taken great pains to restore the "classic" nature of the game.


Cohh vz/tz pvp server that was open a million years ago was custom but was really fun. that's all i want to level, kill ppl and have fun

[Heywood]

I just want cancerface to come back to a PvP server.

Dude was a legend on vztz

[Ragnaros]

rogean CANT stop talking about it

[Krazy/sickpuppy]

Hmm I wonder if rogean would be willing to sell the code .

[Flexin]

Rogean should let me grease his pockets for a red2 ty.

[quido]

Look for RoZ 3.0 in a few months. Our database isn't as good as P99's but our source is arguably better for PVP and it shouldn't even be an argument in a few more months. We are hoping to have the population to do single box only on 3.0.

Think about it.

[Tassador]

I can dig that single box that alone should raise interest. Got to remove a lot custom shit I think level cap and fast exp also sucks but you guys are the experts...

[Krazy/sickpuppy]

Look for RoZ 3.0 in a few months. Our database isn't as good as P99's but our source is arguably better for PVP and it shouldn't even be an argument in a few more months. We are hoping to have the population to do single box only on 3.0.

Think about it.

Love your servers . But we all can agree it’s not p99 . I’m sure one day you guys will get there and I mean no shade . I will probably be on 3.0

[Swish]

rogean CANT stop talking about it

:)

[Flexin]

Love your servers . But we all can agree it’s not p99 . I’m sure one day you guys will get there and I mean no shade . I will probably be on 3.0

I think a lot of us feel the same way, it's hard to justify playing a "temporary" box when it doesn't come with the p99 brand name. I've never played any RoZ but will likely play 3.0 now that they've had a few years of trial and error. The box is potentially what we make it, if we round up the troops and get a nice semi-high (for pvp) pop box we could have goog time.

[watbab]

Two reasons:

- P99's database took a decade to be built be a team of volunteers and it's not public
- P99's source code took a decade to reach its current form and it's not public