PVP Battle - Wizard Vs Druid

[Gustoo]

At level 50 vanilla

And at level 60 kunark, and level 60 velious

Initial thoughts - In vanilla, if both are only self buffed, and druid attacks first, he has a big advantage with higher HP and self heals, vs wizard pretty soft with no heal ability.

Thanks

[Jibartik]

IMO druid has advantage in this fight because if you can land those long range dots on them, you can do more damage over time then if they land those long range nukes on you.

But everytime I fought one with a druid they always seem to land pretty much everything on me. So maybe that information is worthless and stupid.

It's all about hoping they dont gate when they get tired of chasing you and their hp hits 50%.

[magnetaress]

Wizards and druids in vanilla have both fast ways to keep each other interuppted with 0sec push nukes, stuns.

It's really 50/50 if the neither can run away or get range.

But at FM a wiz can suppress a druids healing whilst efficiently killing the druid with mana to spare.

Wiz has runes as well.

I killed a few wizards who jumped at me on veris. Was always fully buffed, medded, junk buffs. Prepped tho cuz I knew where and who the pvp wiz pks were, are. Was never a guaranteed win. Even with the same people round2. RNG and resists played a big part of each fight.

[Gustoo]

Hmm good insights.

[White_knight]

A druid in velious can out heal a Wizards damage.

Depends on resists tho....it's kinda mute in velious.

[Tunabros]

def druid

[Dulu]

Whoever gets the jump on the other while they're fighting mobs / another player.

[Gustoo]

Never heard of that strategy care to elaborate? Haha. Man it’s been a long time since I’ve had someone drop in on me unnoticed when I’m 30 percent HP after a pve battle. Good timmmmmmmes

Gosh at this point the beginning good days of red 99 were almost as long ago as the Live rallos zek was when red 99 started. That date is coming up in a few years only.

Where the hell did all those Holocaust guys go? There was a full grip of them enough to give nihilum a good showing before the entire guild got banned.

[Jibartik]

Never heard of that strategy care to elaborate?

get real high in COM

lurk in water in OOT

[magnetaress]

I had a lot of times were I was in MM on Veris and a certain wizard would logon invis, they were bound in the back half in a safe room in the castle or up on one of the walls. Who would levitate over me and check up on me. If I wasn't ripe for the plucking they'd run out and gate back and log until such a time as they had the upper hand. This is expert wizard play. I would usually see this person 4 times in the duration of an all day grind session.

I always laughed my ass off when they picked off a happless tank or grp member )

Remember having two or 3 pals with u decreases the chances they'd loot and scoot with ur good item(s) :D

If you're on a wizard, and you are pvping, and you have to cast more than two nukes, you're doing it wrong (sorry).

[Thulian]

Whoever gets the jump on the other while they're fighting mobs / another player.

pretty much this, a wizard can conflag a druid into the ground faster then a druid can shitfire a wizard

wizards are superior at outright nuking, if there is kiting / dotting involved it can get annoying and druid may win if wiz does not dispell correctly

[Vexenu]

At 50 the Wizard is nuking literally almost twice as hard as the Druid, with Ice Comet vs. Starfire. The major advantage the Druid has is that he can heal and drop some DoTs, but neither of these are very useful against a class that can hit you as hard and fast as a Wizard can.

At 60 the nuke gap has narrowed a bit, with the Wizard's Sunstrike being only about 60% more damage than the Druid Wildfire (1600 vs. 1000). But now the Wizard also has the option of using the unresistable Lure of Ice for 825 damage, which may be the better option in many cases.

Another factor is that the Wizard has self-runes with the Manaskin line. These are superior to heals in a nuker vs. nuker battle like Wiz vs. Druid because you can precast them and don't lose DPS by stopping to heal in the middle of the fight. An Epic Wizard will have his 800 hp rune and can also stack another 250 hp of spell-only rune with the Manasink spell.

Finally, the Wizard's Staff of Temperate Flux also allows him a much more accurate gauge of his spell range than any other class, including the Druid. This comes in very handy in nuker vs. nuker fights.

At 60 with both classes geared out and buffed, the Wizard enjoys a strong advantage. He's starting the fight with a 1050 hp rune and can nuke the Druid for unresistable damage, while the Druid is forced to contend with the Wizard's fire resistance to land his best damage. It's a difficult fight for the Druid to win, unless he catches the Wizard completely unprepared. At 50, the Wizard basically just has to land two casts of Ice Comet and the fight is over, and he will still have a 400 hp rune for the Druid to chew through in the meanwhile. This obviously heavily favors the Wizard as well.

Druids can kill Wizards (mostly if the Wizard is caught with his pants down and/or just sucks compared to the Druid), but it's not their strong suit. They are much better at killing melees by kiting them down with DoTs, nukes and SoW and healing any damage they take while their DoTs tick down. Obviously this tactic doesn't work on a Wizard, who can just sit there and drop massive burst damage from range that the Druid can't out-heal.

[White_knight]

Guys - in velious, and probably a nicely geared Kunark druid has the resists to resist most Wizard spells outside of Lures.

Lure of Ice does 825 x .66 = 545 dmg for 320 mana - most Wizards can only cast 10x Lures before they are OOM.

545x 10 = 5450 damage for a full bar of mana.

A druid can simple cast heals on himself and absorb this damage....

A shitty geared Druid will get eaten alive by a Wizard, and in Kunark too. But if you're running around and you're able to be conflaged or Ice Cometed in Velious.

This is why alot of TOP TEIR EQ PVP Wizards quit during velious because their amazing skill at pressing a nuke got taken away from them.

[Gustoo]

I want to add that the only advantage wizard skin has vs druid HP buffs is that it absorbs damage and the wizard has no change of interrupt while the skin is in place. Otherwise its identical to an HP buff for a druid except the wizards HP bar doesn't move, just stays planted at like 2000 till the skin is blown away.

Good points being brought up

[Thulian]

At 50 the Wizard is nuking literally almost twice as hard as the Druid, with Ice Comet vs. Starfire. The major advantage the Druid has is that he can heal and drop some DoTs, but neither of these are very useful against a class that can hit you as hard and fast as a Wizard can.

At 60 the nuke gap has narrowed a bit, with the Wizard's Sunstrike being only about 60% more damage than the Druid Wildfire (1600 vs. 1000). But now the Wizard also has the option of using the unresistable Lure of Ice for 825 damage, which may be the better option in many cases.

Another factor is that the Wizard has self-runes with the Manaskin line. These are superior to heals in a nuker vs. nuker battle like Wiz vs. Druid because you can precast them and don't lose DPS by stopping to heal in the middle of the fight. An Epic Wizard will have his 800 hp rune and can also stack another 250 hp of spell-only rune with the Manasink spell.

Finally, the Wizard's Staff of Temperate Flux also allows him a much more accurate gauge of his spell range than any other class, including the Druid. This comes in very handy in nuker vs. nuker fights.

At 60 with both classes geared out and buffed, the Wizard enjoys a strong advantage. He's starting the fight with a 1050 hp rune and can nuke the Druid for unresistable damage, while the Druid is forced to contend with the Wizard's fire resistance to land his best damage. It's a difficult fight for the Druid to win, unless he catches the Wizard completely unprepared. At 50, the Wizard basically just has to land two casts of Ice Comet and the fight is over, and he will still have a 400 hp rune for the Druid to chew through in the meanwhile. This obviously heavily favors the Wizard as well.

Druids can kill Wizards (mostly if the Wizard is caught with his pants down and/or just sucks compared to the Druid), but it's not their strong suit. They are much better at killing melees by kiting them down with DoTs, nukes and SoW and healing any damage they take while their DoTs tick down. Obviously this tactic doesn't work on a Wizard, who can just sit there and drop massive burst damage from range that the Druid can't out-heal.

you dont use ice comet in a 1 on 1 unless your target is doing something else, and you open with it

this shitter knows nothing delete post

[Gustoo]

I dunno staff of temperate flux is a legit tip and maybe hes talking about that opener.

[magnetaress]

Vexenu is fluffing wizards up a bit.

[Dulu]

I had a lot of times were I was in MM on Veris and a certain wizard would logon invis, they were bound in the back half in a safe room in the castle or up on one of the walls. Who would levitate over me and check up on me. If I wasn't ripe for the plucking they'd run out and gate back and log until such a time as they had the upper hand. This is expert wizard play. I would usually see this person 4 times in the duration of an all day grind session.

I always laughed my ass off when they picked off a happless tank or grp member )

Remember having two or 3 pals with u decreases the chances they'd loot and scoot with ur good item(s) :D

If you're on a wizard, and you are pvping, and you have to cast more than two nukes, you're doing it wrong (sorry).


basically EQ pvp in 1 post

[reebz]

Who is Vexenu and how is he so retarded?

[Kief]

Druid even at 50 in classic with frog crown and other resist pieces + FR/CR buff will resist wiz nukes. Same as wiz resisting druid nukes. Comes down to druid out healing wiz dps and running him OOM then engaging melee if its to the death.

Druid wins period

[Vexenu]

you dont use ice comet in a 1 on 1 unless your target is doing something else, and you open with it

this shitter knows nothing delete post
Who is Vexenu and how is he so retarded?

Absolutely DEVASTATING rebukes from the peanut gallery. How will I ever recover??

Stay mad, bads.

[totmanc]

Wizard wins every time because he has a Flaming Sword of Xuzl. Piss off idiot druids

[Gustoo]

Tell me how to use that level 59 spell for maximum impact?

[totmanc]

Pell all the buffs using a weeping wand (instant click) 4 slot dispell. Put pet on Druid is helpless and buffless. Wizard wins every time

[Jibartik]

Strut is really good at everquest.